Single Black Male: Should Women Still Expect Men to Pay for Dates?

July 16th, 2012 - By WisdomIsMisery
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Earlier this month, Marissa Ellis wrote a piece for MadameNoire called Dating Dynamics: When Should [Women] Start Paying for Dates? I was asked to provide the male perspective on women contributing financially when dating. I knew this would be a sensitive topic so I prayed on it first, then I came up with the following points of clarification.

What is the Status of the Relationship?

Establishing the status of the relationship is critical to any discussion pertaining to how much and if a man should pay. A simple breakdown might go as follows.

First Date: The man should pay.

Second Date: The man should pay but as Marissa mentioned, the woman can begin to chip in for smaller items. For example, if you go to the movies, you can offer to help pay for concession items. If you go to dinner, you can consider helping with the drinks or the tip. However, I think any offer should be genuine. If you don’t want to pay or don’t feel like that’s your role as a woman, then don’t bother offering for offering sake, since there is a very real possibility that he might take you up on your offer. He may refuse but you shouldn’t make the offer expecting him to refuse. It’s a date, not an SAT test.

Third Date or more: By the third date (or more), you should begin communicating some of your expectations with your person of interest. I know this “communicating” with the person you like idea is a crazy, but bear with me. Usually by the third date, you have an idea of your level of interest. You’ve already gone on two semi-awkward getting to you know you type dates and you’re probably transitioning into a dating rhythm. If you haven’t paid already, I believe a casual conversation about financial expectations can be discussed (among other things). You don’t invoke your inner Donald Trump and threaten to fire anyone who doesn’t meet your expectations, but I see no harm in discussing them, especially if you plan to continue dating. It’ll be easier to cope with disappointment on the third date than the third month/year.

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  • Rhonda Chambers

    The moral of my story is…I don’t ask these men for nothing, and they better not ask me for nothing. If I ever go on a date again, he can pay his way and i’ll pay mine. End of story.

  • http://twitter.com/ScorpioSoulJeff Jeff Crosby

    I feel like for the most part, I’m the pursuer (or at least they allow me to believe that I am) which means I will pay on the first date. Typically after the first date, whoever calls and asks the other out for a second (which is still usually me) should pay. This is the way I’ve prettymuch always done it and it has worked. Now once we’ve established that we’re in a relationship then I have no problem paying because I get the honor of sporting her as mine. While dating, I may be paying and some other dude may be sitting across the room licking his lips at her behind my back and when I go to the bathroom, he gets the digits and after I drop her off at home he’s making his move and she’s gone. So I’ve spent all kinds of money on her and he gets the prize. But I’ve been lucky enough to find women that don’t mind paying or asking me out so things have worked out pretty well so far.

  • http://twitter.com/ScorpioSoulJeff Jeff Crosby

    I feel like for the most part, I’m the pursuer (or at least they allow me to believe that I am) which means I will pay on the first date. Typically after the first date, whoever calls and asks the other out for a second (which is still usually me) should pay. This is the way I’ve prettymuch always done it and it has worked. Now once we’ve established that we’re in a relationship then I have no problem paying because I get the honor of sporting her as mine. While dating, I may be paying and some other dude may be sitting across the room licking his lips at her behind my back and when I go to the bathroom, he gets the digits and after I drop her off at home he’s making his move and she’s gone. So I’ve spent all kinds of money on her and he gets the prize. But I’ve been lucky enough to find women that don’t mind paying or asking me out so things have worked out pretty well so far.

  • http://twitter.com/ScorpioSoulJeff Jeff Crosby

    I feel like for the most part, I’m the pursuer (or at least they allow me to believe that I am) which means I will pay on the first date. Typically after the first date, whoever calls and asks the other out for a second (which is still usually me) should pay. This is the way I’ve prettymuch always done it and it has worked. Now once we’ve established that we’re in a relationship then I have no problem paying because I get the honor of sporting her as mine. While dating, I may be paying and some other dude may be sitting across the room licking his lips at her behind my back and when I go to the bathroom, he gets the digits and after I drop her off at home he’s making his move and she’s gone. So I’ve spent all kinds of money on her and he gets the prize. But I’ve been lucky enough to find women that don’t mind paying or asking me out so things have worked out pretty well so far.

  • http://twitter.com/ScorpioSoulJeff Jeff Crosby

    I feel like for the most part, I’m the pursuer (or at least they allow me to believe that I am) which means I will pay on the first date. Typically after the first date, whoever calls and asks the other out for a second (which is still usually me) should pay. This is the way I’ve prettymuch always done it and it has worked. Now once we’ve established that we’re in a relationship then I have no problem paying because I get the honor of sporting her as mine. While dating, I may be paying and some other dude may be sitting across the room licking his lips at her behind my back and when I go to the bathroom, he gets the digits and after I drop her off at home he’s making his move and she’s gone. So I’ve spent all kinds of money on her and he gets the prize. But I’ve been lucky enough to find women that don’t mind paying or asking me out so things have worked out pretty well so far.

  • http://twitter.com/ScorpioSoulJeff Jeff Crosby

    I feel like for the most part, I’m the pursuer (or at least they allow me to believe that I am) which means I will pay on the first date. Typically after the first date, whoever calls and asks the other out for a second (which is still usually me) should pay. This is the way I’ve prettymuch always done it and it has worked. Now once we’ve established that we’re in a relationship then I have no problem paying because I get the honor of sporting her as mine. While dating, I may be paying and some other dude may be sitting across the room licking his lips at her behind my back and when I go to the bathroom, he gets the digits and after I drop her off at home he’s making his move and she’s gone. So I’ve spent all kinds of money on her and he gets the prize. But I’ve been lucky enough to find women that don’t mind paying or asking me out so things have worked out pretty well so far.

  • Rhonda Chambers

    If he asks,he should pay. But these days, men expect a little something something in return if they do. So id just rather pay my own way until there’s a solid understanding.

  • Rhonda Chambers

    If he asks,he should pay. But these days, men expect a little something something in return if they do. So id just rather pay my own way until there’s a solid understanding.

  • Rhonda Chambers

    If he asks,he should pay. But these days, men expect a little something something in return if they do. So id just rather pay my own way until there’s a solid understanding.

  • my opinion

    Men are generally in control of the pace of the relationships with women. Most often men get the deciding vote on when the commitment begins and whether or not an engagement or marriage results from the relationship. Also, men have a general reputation for dating many women at once and for promiscuity. These are some of the reasons (amongst others like financial stability predictors, etc.) why women expect men to pay for dates. A man’s willingness to pay for a date generally corresponds to his level of sincerity about the ensuing relationship. A woman’s expectation that a man pays for the dates is one way of protecting herself from insincere and predatory men. Though, this is only a stop gap measure, and not a cure all against predatory methods, like somebodies’s momma used to say “an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.”
    That being said, I believe it is fair for the man to pay for at least the first three to five dates in full. By the fifth date, the parties should know whether they might have a future or are going to call it quits. In a relationship, parties should be generous with each other and should do things for each other just because they are able to and want to show they care. Keeping tabs on who paid last and who should pay next, is not only annoying, but will ruin a relationship.

  • Sweetmack

    Since I’m old head, I’m gonna share my experiance with… I’m assuming you yungins. Back in the day, and even today I have always paid for the date and have never expected the woman to pay for anything. Thats just the way it was done then. Today, guys like my nephews in their 30′s expect women to share dating expences because they have (expectations). I didn’t have expectations, like sex afterward or anything else. To me that was being a (Real Man)!

  • from my pov

    It depends upon the purpose of dating – if you are a young man then most times you are dating for the experience or for having someone on your arm or hoping to develop a relationship (assuming this isnt a hit it and quit it situation) – i think most men in this situation expect to be pay, and women expect to be treated and yes some women abuse that situation

    But as you get older, most men’s attitudes change – if i am meeting for a serious relationship then its Starbucks or somewhere similar so that we can have a discussion about what each of us want and if we can continue forward. After a certain age, wining and dining random chicks is a thing of the past.

    And post 40, unless you look like Halle Berry, you will need to ask the men out if you want to have a chance

  • KT

    I think it’s very fair for women to share in the financial risk of dating. A woman paying SOMETIMES shows me that she’s not selfish and is willing to help out. I understand a lot of women won’t like that. That’s fine. Those women aren’t for me. I’ll just keep looking until I find a woman who shares my beliefs on this matter and others.

  • MsTruth

    Give and take situation. As a lady, I am cool with going to the park if the weather permits with some food and beverages (love outdoors)…somewhere where it can be free or low cost and get to know that person more as well different and not the norm of dinner and a movie or just dinner because at the end of the day whether money is spent or not–it does not change on those two people hitting it off or not. And if they do decide to see one another again–then spending a little more money and planning to attend an establishment will be more appropriate.

    Sometimes going places that are free or low cost–you can generally tell that persons attitude whether money is really important to them vs. I am excited to talk/see this person…now that I am in his/her presence…lets see what happens (both parties can walk away after the first date with nothing more than a little time lost….well, unless that person is just plain craaaaazy)

    • Rhonda Chambers

      True. and real women love those things. But where you gonna find a black man that’s gonna do stuff like that . Most black men don’t care nothing about romance. lol

      • MsTruth

        We do but that is true–Some don’t and that sucks. Simple romance is all we need most of the time

  • Treacle234

    He pays always. If a man that has a problem paying for his potential woman, then he needs to find a woman who like being independent in all aspects of their life.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=536872959 Aaron T. Starks

      “Paying for his potential woman”. I wish more women like you were so obviously gold-diggers so I can just avoid interacting with you altogether. I’m glad I have to actually stop my lady from grabbing the check when it comes….

      • Treacle234

        Cry me a river, please!

  • BBBEE25TEE

    Yes, at least the first two dates.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JAI4SRENU2A5WKRTELXXYJPDSI Kayla

    honestly in my opinion this isn’t the 50′s the economy is too bad… so i have no problem with splitting it. I mean how can a woman act like she’s miss independent, doesn’t need a man blah blah, but isn’t willing to come out her pocket? Back in the day men always payed because they were the only ones working. Now that woman are making the same or more then men, what’s wrong with paying?.. With the economy the way it is and bills needing to be paid, not to mention the drought which will drive up food and restaurant prices it’s time to be practical. And just because you have a vag!na doesn’t mean you’re entitled to anything..

    and on a side-note why do some woman insist on being old-school when it suits them….. old school would dictate that you wouldn’t be a working woman, it would mean that you belonged in the kitchen…… im honestly baffled

    • The Captain

      Your thought process is progressive and beautiful. Thanks.

    • Rhonda Chambers

      If he can’t afford to do anything for you, what’s he asking you out for? I got rid of a dude like this. I told him to come back when he was a PROVIDER. I”m not a dude’s mother. These bums are lazy and all they wanna do is lay up and get a free ride. I’m not doing nothing for a man that he won’t do for me.

    • Rhonda Chambers

      If he can’t afford to do anything for you, what’s he asking you out for? I got rid of a dude like this. I told him to come back when he was a PROVIDER. I”m not a dude’s mother. These bums are lazy and all they wanna do is lay up and get a free ride. I’m not doing nothing for a man that he won’t do for me.

    • Rhonda Chambers

      If he can’t afford to do anything for you, what’s he asking you out for? I got rid of a dude like this. I told him to come back when he was a PROVIDER. I”m not a dude’s mother. These bums are lazy and all they wanna do is lay up and get a free ride. I’m not doing nothing for a man that he won’t do for me.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JAI4SRENU2A5WKRTELXXYJPDSI Kayla

        so why is it when woman are in the same position their not assumed to be a bum or lazy or just wanting a free ride? What’s the logic behind some woman complaining they don’t make as much as men…. then when they do, they complain he doesn’t make enough…

        • Terry Smith

          Well said Kayla.

    • Rhonda Chambers

      If he can’t afford to do anything for you, what’s he asking you out for? I got rid of a dude like this. I told him to come back when he was a PROVIDER. I”m not a dude’s mother. These bums are lazy and all they wanna do is lay up and get a free ride. I’m not doing nothing for a man that he won’t do for me.

    • Rhonda Chambers

      If he can’t afford to do anything for you, what’s he asking you out for? I got rid of a dude like this. I told him to come back when he was a PROVIDER. I”m not a dude’s mother. These bums are lazy and all they wanna do is lay up and get a free ride. I’m not doing nothing for a man that he won’t do for me.

  • Fiona

    My boyfriend makes about half of what I make (I make more
    $ than most people I know even though most people I know are college educated
    and gainfully employed). He pays for
    most of our dates. Once in a while I
    will pick up the tab… maybe 1% of the time (i.e. he’s in the bathroom when the
    bar bill comes and its $25, etc.).
    However, I contribute in other ways… I cook his favorite meals, iron
    his clothes, keep my fridge stocked with his favorite beer, etc.

    I am laying the ground work for the relationship “I” want
    (different women want different things).
    It’s important to me that the man bears the financial burden in the
    relationship as I may want to work part time or none at all when we marry and have
    children, etc. He was raised in a two
    parent home where his father was the bread winner (although his mom worked and
    was more educated than his dad but she made less money) so we are on one accord
    with how we operate within our relationship.

    Also, we have sex every day (sometimes several times a
    day when time permits), he claims my head game is sick, I watch MMA and
    football with him, etc. I said that to
    say that everyone has different needs and expectations from a relationship… I
    meet his and he meets mine. He could
    care less if I ever picked up the tab but he would throw a fit if I didn’t
    throw down in the kitchen at least once a week and allow him to watch football.
    And I don’t mind packing his luggage every time we go on vacation as
    long as he keeps taking me on (and paying for) our vacations.

    Oh, we have been together for two years.

    • Nope

      You sound like you wear glass heels to work.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=536872959 Aaron T. Starks

      You making significantly more money than you man but still making him pay 99% of the time for dates is unfair. And no, keeping the fridge stocked with beer does NOT make up for it. What some people put up with is their business….And bragging about your “head game” is just….huh?

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