10 Armed White Men Who Did Not Die By the Police

August 16, 2014  |  
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The headlines have almost become a weekly occurrence: Black person shot and killed by the police.

Usually it is Black men. But sometimes it is women.

In the majority of times, they are unarmed. And most of the time, their deaths were for no damn justifiable reason at all.

Yet, despite the video evidence and eye witnesses accounts and just flat-out appreciation of history in this country, some folks still don’t believe race is a factor.

So let’s play a game. It’s a game I created based around my favorite scene from the film A Time to Kill (based on the John Grisham book of the same name) when Jake Tyler Brigance, a young snappy lawyer (played by Matthew McConaughey) defending Carl Lee Hailey (played by Samuel L. Jackson), who is on trial for the murder of the two White men, who raped his 10-year-old daughter, tells the all-White Mississippi jury to close its eyes and imagine that the little girl victim is White. For those who haven’t seen the film, the scene is pretty climatic as it is supposed to be the moment when the all White jury has an epitome about their own biases against Black people.

I’m not going to tell you to close your eyes and imagine anything – or else how would you read the rest of this essay/list?

But I’m going to tell you that during this slideshow of 10 White Armed Men NOT Killed By the Police, in hopes that it inspires some of y’all to take off your rose colored glasses and put away your colorblind blinders and ask yourself in the most serious tones: what would happen if these men were Black.


Source: Photo courtesy of Orleans Parish Sheriff’s Office

Derrick Daniel Thomas

White Privilege Pass: According to Nola.com, 32-year old Thomas barged into a strangers home with a handgun, robbed the house and it’s inhabitants, shot at the house before fleeing on foot, where he threatened some construction workers, shot at the contractor five times, and then led police on a chase. After cornering the White man, the police allegedly told Thomas to drop his weapon. However Thomas refused and instead pointed the gun at the cops and allegedly responded: “No, you drop your (expletive) gun!”

Despite many threats to the police safety, Thomas was eventually taken into custody alive and without a single bullet hole to the body, where he was able to face five counts of aggravated assault, three counts of aggravated assault on a police officer, one count of criminal damage to property and a $500,000 bond – of course, this happened after the officers got his real name because originally, Thomas gave them an alias at booking, which they accepted as the truth

Had He Been Black: Six feet under by the time he said, “No, yo-” Burial and all.


Source: CBS

Cliven Bundy

White Privilege Pass: The 67-year old Mormon and Nevada cattle rancher with over 50 grandchildren garnered national attention when he and his supporters got into a 8-day armed standoff with the federal government following a 20-year battle over $1.1 million dollars in unpaid grazing fees the Federal Bureau of Land Management said he owed for allowing his cattle to eat off of federal land. Despite pointing guns at federal agents, Bundy, who was known for riding around the standoff site on a horse, carrying the American flag, would become a folk hero for the conservative anti-government Right and would even gain some allies within the actual government, in particular Sen. Rand Paul and Nevada Sen. Dean Heller. However some of his supporters would jump ship when Bundy, who again was accused of letting his cattle roam for free for 20 years on government land, accused Blacks of living off of government subsidies and saying that we would have been better off picking cotton in slavery.

According to ABC News, the standoff ended when the BLM backed down and said that it would no longer attempt to seize Bundy’s cattle. Not only would Bundy not spend a minute in jail, some of his comrades would get tazed and arrested. However they all were eventually released back into the comfort and security of White privilege.

Had He Been Black: WHEN they were black, they were called MOVE and in the summer of 1985 Philadelphia local police (not even the feds) ended it’s standoff with the back-to-nature liberation group by dropping two one-pound bombs on their Osage Avenue rowhouse compound, killing 11 people including five children and destroying 60 nearby residencies. For a more detailed explanation of events, I suggest you check out the documentary “Let The Fire Burn,” which is available to stream on Netflix.

Source: Facebook

Open Carry Texas

White Privilege Pass: Its’ Facebook page says that Open Carry is “an organization dedicated to the safe and legal carry of firearms openly in the State of Texas in accordance with the United States and Texas Constitution and applicable laws.” However you all might recall seeing headlines and tons of pictures of this merrily band of assault-rifle wielding buying Oreo cookies and checking out the latest in Fisher Price toys at Target.

Had They Been Black: If the recent tragic case of John Crawford is any indicator, he wouldn’t have needed a real gun; just an air rifle. And he probably wouldn’t have even made it to the register.


Source: The Raw Story

Steve Lohner

White Privilege Pass: The name doesn’t ring familiar but the 18-year old kid from Aurora, Colorado tells a Denver Fox 31 News that he believes police are unfairly targeting simply because he is walking around town with a shotgun. Lohner is so incensed by his violation of his constitutional right, he has started to record his encounters with police including one video, which lasts for over seven minutes and involves him not getting shot. The station also reports about this kid’s grave injustice:

Police who were called to the scene say they weren’t able to determine if he was doing it legally. Lohner refused to show them an ID to prove he’s 18.“I simply carry this for the protection of myself and those around me,” Lohner says. His shotgun is a Stoeger P-350 12 gauge.“I’ve been stopped close to a dozen times for this and this is actually the first time I’ve been forced to provide ID,” he says. The teen says he’s on a campaign to call attention to open carry laws. “I feel like a lot of people now they see a weapon like that and they think, you know, James Holmes or Sandy Hook,”

Had They Been Black: If ever you needed definite proof of two Americas, here is it. And truthfully, the kid has a point. However, I just can’t with this kid’s righteous indignation about rights and shit in the wake of all the horrible and exact outcomes of what would have definitely transpired had this been a Black kid parading around town with a gun. Black kids are just not afforded that many lives.

Source: Huffington Post

Joseph Houseman

White Privilege Pass: Here is another law abiding citizen expressing his 2nd amendment right to act like a moron while simultaneously scaring the crap out of people. According to published reports, the 63-year old patriot likes to stand on the corners in Kalamazoo, Michigan holding his rifle and pondering on what it would be like to actually have real manly sized balls, so he wouldn’t have to overcompensate any longer. Anyway, Houseman would find himself in a standoff with police earlier this year after residents complained about the nut on the corner with the rifle. According to the Talking Point Memo:

Houseman refused to comply with requests that he put the rifle down and talk to the officers. During the negotiations, Kalamazoo Department of Public Safety Lt. Stacey Geik, who took over as commanding officer on the scene, told a dispatcher that Houseman was “exercising his open carry rights, however, he has certainly overextended them at this point.”

After a 40-minute standoff, in which Houseman had a heart-to-heart with police about the revolution and gun rights, the police negotiator was able to cox the gun out of Houseman’s hand and end the siege on a peaceful note. The following day after the standoff, the police officially declined misdemeanor charges against Houseman and even returned his gun to him.

Had He Been Black: And Female, she might have been 93-year old Pearlie Golden, who was shot and killed by police for allegedly waving her revolver at them. According to the New York Daily News, Officer Stephen Stem asked the 93-year-old to “put down the weapon and then ultimately fired his own sidearm, wounding Miss Golden” who later died at a local hospital…” The officer in question was suspended without pay and eventually fired. However, Golden is still dead.

Source: AP

White Privilege Pass: But Charing, isn’t this one half of the Boston Marathon Bombing Terrorist suspects (still not convicted in the court of law), who shot at police and were too shot at by police? Isn’t it true that he shot by the police upon apprehension? Where exactly is his White privilege in any of this?

He’s alive ain’t he? And looking all boy band sexy on the cover of The Rolling Stones, I might add.

Had He Been Black: Whereas Christopher Dorner, the ex-LAPD cop turned angry Black man with a manifesto, a gun and a a vendetta against the po-po, was burnt to the jerky in a log cabin out in the San Bernardino Mountains.

I mean, they were not even trying to put out that fire.

Source: YouTube

Adam Kokesh

White Privilege Pass: Remember last year when a bunch of gun-loving nuts were planning to have an Open Carry on Washington march and rally but opted against it because the local D.C. Police said if they tried it, he would throw all their behinds in jail? Well Kokesh, a gun rights advocate and lead organizer of the failed march, decided to continue on exercising his freedom and on July 4th, posted a video of himself on YouTube, loading a double pump action shotgun in Freedom Plaza, which is between the White House and The Capital – and doing so without get shot down. Four days later, Kokesh would be picked up on the US Parks SWAT Team and plead guilty to carrying a rifle or shotgun, possession of an unregistered firearm and unlawful possession of ammunition in the District. His sentencing on those charges is in September and he could be looking up to 15 years in prison.

However, he is still alive. And out on bail. Touring the country and sh*t.

Had He’d Been Black: I would have to go with him being dead the moment he thought organizing that march was a good idea. Yup, just like in the film, The Minority Report. Black folks get gunned down all the time based upon what law enforcement and other vigilantes think they are about to do. Seriously, White guys do not know how how many benefits of doubts – and of life – they are given compared to the rest of society.

Source: Dayton Daily News

Joseph Clifford Reel

White Privilege Pass: Speaking of about nation’s capital, 33-year old Joseph Clifford Reel was sentenced to three years in prison earlier this year for crashing a driverless Jeep into a White House security gate at 40 mph, hoping the White House fence and attempting to spray paint a giant snake on the side of the White House building, to symbol “Don’t Tread On Me” mantra of the Tea Party.

Did I also fail to mention that Reel will be doing only three years in prison – alive?

Had He’d Been Black: His name would have been Miriam Carey, the 34-year old Black woman from Connecticut, who tried to ram her car through a barricade at the White House and was shot and killed by Secret Service while her baby was in the back seat – and as she was fled on foot away from the incident, this according to USA Today.

But you know, Don’t Tread on Me.


Source: Shutterstock.com

Officers John Wrigley, Eric White, Timothy Finley and Nicolas Olsen

White Privilege Pass: On February 21st 2005, Officers Wrigley, White, Finley and Olsen pumped over 28 rounds of live ammunition into retired police detective Howard Morgan as he laid on the ground during a “routine” traffic stop. According to the police, Morgan, who was driving home from work as a railroad patrolman, was going the wrong way up a one way block. After being pulled over, the officers alleged that Morgan sprang from his vehicle, wrestled with them as they attempted to subdue and handcuff him, and pulled a gun from his waistband and licked off 17 shots.

However Morgan’s version of the traffic stop differs in that he alleges that he identified himself as an officer however they didn’t believe him. And as the Grio reports: “Morgan says he was dragged out of  his van and forced to the ground as he tried to produce his identification, and that one of the officers noticed his service revolver, a Glock 9mm pistol, and yelled “gun!” After the gun was taken from his waistband by one of the officers, Morgan says the shooting began.”

Morgan would be hit 21 times in the back and 7 times in the front. Three out of the four officers were also hit with gunfire during the incident: a bullet to the upper right arm for Olsen; White in the right calf; and Wrigley in the left arm, but ultimately survived and got to go home with no real suspicions and questions about their conduct that night. They each would also receive awards from the Award of Valor during the department’s Police Recognition Ceremony.

Had They Been Black: They would be Howard Morgan, who miraculously survived being shot at 28 times by the police, was then charged with four counts each of attempted murder and aggravated battery of a police officer as well as two counts of discharging a firearm. The trial would end in mistrial, he would be tried again in 2012. And although the only witness to that night’s event pretty much collaborated his testimony that he was pulled out his vehicle and shot by cops, the jury found Morgan guilty on of attempted murder. He was sentenced to 40 years in prison.

Source: Getty

George Zimmerman

White Privilege Pass: Oh yeah, like there aren’t color privileges in the Hispanic community and world?

And while he may not be able to reap all the benefits of his daddy’s side of the family (thanks Mom!), it certainly was enough to get him out of trouble for the murder of Trayvon Martin. Even after his acquittal, Zimmerman has found himself involved in two domestic violence incidences – one of which involved a report of a gun on the premise. And yet nobody freaked out and shot him for the suspicions of being a threat to anyone’s safety.

Had He’d Been Black: Most definitely, OJ Simpson. He too beat a murder rap he probably should have gone to jail for. However in 2008, Simpson was sentenced to nine years in prison for allegedly strong arm robbing two alleged drug dealers, who Simpson alleges stole his stuff. He was simply trying to get his stuff back is what he told the judge. But the system didn’t let that happened twice.


So what have we learned from this exercise in White privilege? Hopefully that there are very real double standards in not the laws but how we apply and enforce laws in this country.

If you didn’t learn that, well it is probably because you are racist against Black people.


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  • Gideo

    Whoever made this article is a moron, there are plenty of cases of Whites taken alive to fill the list without resorting to Bundy or Zimmerman.

    Derrick Daniel Thomas
    Sandon Sierad
    Joseph Houseman
    Lance Tamayo
    E.J. Watson
    Jed Frazier
    Ryan Giroux
    Julia Shields
    Steven Whitlock
    Dallas Horton

    5 minutes on Google, it’s not that hard.

    On a side note, Sandon Sierad was unarmed but reported to have made several attempts to take officers guns. Isn’t that what Whites have claim why Micheal Brown deserved to die, yet Sierad is still alive. -_-

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  • tasteless chap

    I’m very interested in your article, but I REFUSE to click through 11 goddam pages to read it!!

  • ilyas252

    Good list but the write-ups were nonsense. Horrible article that could have been a winner.

  • truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

    This is an excellent article.

    • John Henry

      Yes, and this was just a small part of the story. But great for highlighting the difference in the way police treat people based on skin color.

      • truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

        Exactly. There is so much information about this issue. The double standards and the hypocrisy of the criminal justice system is very easy to see.

    • ilyas252

      Horrible writing.

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  • nic77

    Don’t forget James Holmes, armed to the teeth shots up movie theatre and rigged his apartment to blow up. This white man is claiming insanity and is no where near a trial date. Still alive!

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  • Jonathan Miller

    SO, What I see here is one article race baiting about killing a black man and 90% of the comments about why black women should date white men. Michael Brown go shot because he cracked a cop’s eye bone socket, with a series of punches… He then charged at the gun holding cop, who he taunted, saying. “whatcha gonna do, shoot me?” Well, yes that is what often happens after you attack a cop or anybody with enough force to make them fear for their lives.You have a 5’9″, 160 lb middle aged Cop versus 300 lb, 6’4 young man who has just committed a robbery though unknown o the cop. Your story sets up things you say that were even more dangerous than that. But did they involve unprovoked attacks providing serious injury by an opponent they would not submit? I love seeing how some people make bad decisions, and then blame white people for acting like racists when it has to do with the situation and not a person’s color in the slightest…

  • 946towguy

    What is wrong with this poor excuse for a journalistic blog, that they would publish the racist rantings of Charing Ball.

    He is wrong on the facts and fails to comprehend reality. Is he really angry that several civil rights activists were not shot dead, or that certain criminals who surrendered were not summarily killed? In one case, he even appears to be upset that the Boston healthcare system managed to keep alive, one suspect who was shot multiple times.

    The author also fails to point to even one example to support his assertion that Blacks are treated differently, under identical circumstances. It is not fair to compare situations where peaceful citizens are unlawfully harassed for lawfully carrying a firearm in the presence of police, who are also lawfully carrying firearms, to a situation where a robbery suspect pummels and attempts to take the weapon from a police officer. It is not fair to compare a situation where a suspect who is fighting with police is shot by an officer who mistakes his glock for his taser, (Oakland) to a situation where a criminal puts down his weapon and surrenders. (Aurora theater).
    Tell me how many peaceful protesters in Jefferson have been shot by the police. How many rioters, looters, robbers, burglars, or arsonists have been shot by the police in Jefferson? Sure, there was the one man in ST. Louis, who committed suicide-by-cop, when he attacked them with a knife. But seriously, this article was written to inflame racial tensions, because the author is a racist.

  • califmom

    Poor grammar, poorly written, bad references. Really, we’re supposed to take this seriously? Give me real journalism.

    • Bugleboy

      Califmom can’t form complete sentences? What’s her problem? Didn’t she ever finish high school or get her GED? Why can’t these loons, who whine and complain, go back to school and finish their diplomas, in order to finally get off of welfare? We can no longer support these losers who sponge off their parents and blog all day long!

      Get a real job, califmom!

  • equality

    Wow. I cannot believe this article was allowed to be posted. Ten white men that were not shot by the police.  You wrote an entire article villainizing a group of people based on the color of their skin because police didn’t shoot at a few criminals? Has this country lost its fricken mind? And you! The other people commenting on this post! You should be ashamed of yourselves! You cry out out that you are being persecuted, yet you have no problem tossing people into one category or another based on their skin color. You wonder why people are looked at or treated differently based on race or color, yet here you are, doing the same thing. People have fought and died for equality in this country. People have given up their lives so that their children can live in a world where they will not be judged solely on the color of their skin. Yet here you are, victimizing or villainizing groups of people because they have lighter or darker skin than you. Is that the kind of legacy you want to leave your children?

    • guest

      THANKYOU!!!!! this article is completely illogical,written to ride the wave of people’s emotions because of the Brown shooting. pathetic.

    • blogdiz

      Whilst the article could have been better written I think you are deliberately missing the more substantive point

      The fact is White life is so respected that when white people are wrong doers caught with drugs ,resisting arrest, fleeing and even extreme gun slinging or mass murdering Law enforcement usually takes some care to take them in alive despite the severity of their offense whereas for UNARMED black kids the slightest perceived infraction, lack of total subjugation can mean death without a blink

      Oscar Grant was sitting and subdued on a railway platform yet was SUCH a threat that he was shot point blank range in the back .Amadou Diallo was merely opening his Front foor to go home and was killed in a hail of bullets(over 41 bullets recovered ) and the list goes on.
      We are now up to an average 1 per day extra judicial killing of Black men not to mention wrongful arrests and beatings (and in the majority of these cases cops are never charged or get a slap on the wrist I,e a few months jail time for Oscar Grants murder)
      But hey according to you the real victimization is pointing out these disparities ???? OK Then

      • hollyw

        Thanks for that sensible commentary. Though I’m almost positive it’ll fall on deaf ears, I appreciate your attempt to try to educate the ignorance out, anyway lol…

      • 946towguy

        I hear your opinion, but is it based on inaccurate information.

        Oscar Grant was not subdued, was not sitting and was actively resisting arrest for a violent felony, when he was shot. It was clear from the evidence, that the officer did not intent to shoot Grant with his firearm, but in the confusion CAUSED BY GRANT, yelled out, “I’m gonna Taser him,” then negligently mistook his Glock G22 on his right hip for his Taser M26 (with a nearly identical grip and trigger) on his other hip. The Taser manual had specific language, warning officers to be careful not to mistake the taser for their firearm. Nevertheless, BART police decided to have the officers carry their tasers and pistols in nearly identical holsters, on opposite hips, rather than the safer method of using either a thigh or cross-draw rig to prevent this sort of mistake. If you had any sort of tactical firearms training, you would know how easy it is to make this sort of mistake.
        The reality is that if Grant had not committed a violent felony, he would not have been arrested. If he had not resisted arrest, he would not have been shot- either intentionally or unintentionally. The trial of officer Mehserle was purely for political reasons. Under the laws of California, you are responsible for not resisting arrest and if someone dies as a result of such resistance, you are criminally and civilly liable. If an officer unintentionally, but negligently kills someone while a suspect is resisting arrest, it is the suspect who is criminally responsible, while the suspect and department share civil liability, based on their relative fault. Had Mehserle had accidentally shot and killed a bystander, it would have been Grant on trial for murder. But, somehow, because the resisting suspect dies, due to his own felonious resistance, it is murder on the part of the officer? I think not.

        In the case of Diallo, the situation was very different. The officers saw Diallo, who matched a BOLO for a violent sex offender. These officers were not in uniform, due to being assigned to a street crime unit. When the officers pulled their badges and guns, Diallo likely did not understand exactly what was happening, and probably did not recognize the 4 armed men as local cops. Diallo, being from Guinea, likely thought they were some sort of secret police and instinctively took out his wallet to identify himself. One of the officers mistook Diallo’s actions for him drawing a weapon and began firing. The basic truth is that the NYPD unnecessarily escalated a situation which should have been handled by a uniformed officer. While they were not criminally liable, the department was civilly negligent. Diallo’s unfortunate sacrifice resulted in several positive changes in the NYPD, including the dissolution of the unit and changes to how arrests and detentions are made by plain clothes officers.

    • hotmama01

      White person, Please get yo privileged, ignorant azz off this site, sounding stupid. THANKS!!!

  • Lennon Jones

    and all you did was look for crimes that white men didn’t die by the police I’m pretty sure there are some out there but you didnt look for those you know different than the media anything to get people mad

  • Lennon Jones

    OK your playing apples and oranges why cause these crimes were in different states and cities are all laws the same in every city no they are not so this article is crap there is no way you can compare being the laws are different in each city

    • hollyw

      Ummm the laws aren’t that different. Let alone “apples and oranges”.

  • KeepingItReal

    White men aren’t cowards. Black males (not men) are cowards. For a white man….cop or no cop…you mess with a white man you will get dealt with….WHICH IS HOW IT SHOULD BE.

    • hollyw

      Yes, you are exact right. White men w/ their semi – automatics, stalking black boys (not men) from their cars and shooting them, are definitely the picture of masculinity in America. Thanks for clarifying that and “KeepingItReal”.

  • FromUR2UB

    And yet, just under this article, under the heading, ’We Recommend’ were the articles: 8 Reasons to Date a White Man, 8 Celebrities in Interracial Relationships, White Men in Hollywood that Woo Black Women. Fuuuuunny, MN!

    • Candy

      Not all whites are racist cop killers. And if black women do not date out they will remain single!

      • FromUR2UB

        Because when it comes to whites, there are definite distinctions. Got it!

      • Machone

        We know most black men don’t believe in marriage……

        • FromUR2UB

          Then get you an ol’ black folk shootin’ white guy and call it a day. Hope you’ll be deliriously happy.

          • 9Boots

            You go get you an ol’ black folk shootin’ black guy and call it day since black men are the number one murderers of black people. Oh but wait, your a black woman so they ain’t lookin to marry you anyway.

            • FromUR2UB

              I’ve been married to a black man. Have you?

              • MajorKinksnCoils86

                hahaaha! it’s funny because I’ve been asked by multiplie BM on getting married, but the kind of PEOPLE they were didn’t match what I was looking for in a husband…this proves that the generalization needs to stop.

                • FromUR2UB

                  Hahaaha! Maybe they couldn’t tell you weren’t in their league.

                  • MajorKinksnCoils86

                    fa real…I’m just a goal oriented person and they didn’t have any..ain’t no body got time for that, they need to be on the same page ya know…that goes for anybody!

              • 9Boots

                I do not want to marry a BM. How is your quest for a second marriage going?

                • FromUR2UB

                  Dear, concern yourself with your quest for a FIRST marriage…to anybody.

                  • 9Boots

                    You’re right. I’m concerned about my first marriage. I want to stay clear away from that two of three black marriage divorce rate.

                    • FromUR2UB

                      Then marry the white guy in your head. None is going to live up to your fantasy. But, I have a feeling, that as long as he’s white, that would be all the fantasy you need.

            • hollyw

              …and white men are the number I’ve murderers of white people.

              Every race kills within their own more so than out, please stop it.

              • 9Boots

                Obviously every race is more likely to kill within the their race but let’s not act like BM killing each other and BW is not out of control. Stating that BW should not date and marry WM because a FEW WM kill BM is ridiculous.

                • hollyw

                  Huuuuh? No. No to everything you’ve said! Where’d you read any of that?? There is no epidemic of murder or crime anywhere, I’m sorry. While most negative stats are usually higher in the black community (BC), trends have only been dropping all around this past decade. Also, fyi, white women in interracial relatives are more than 12x likely to be abused/killed by their partners, not BW.

                  Also, you may have gotten your arguments mixed up, b/c nowhere did I mention that BW shouldn’t date WM or them murdering anybody. However, your assumption that dating WM will “save” BW is just as ridiculous, as well as ignoring how the systematic discrimination and brutality that plagues the BC is largely run by white men and equally affects BM & BW..?

                  So while it’s totally your choice to try to breed in, your kids will still be dark enough to be targets, and distorting stats to cover up all these points will not make dating WM or not dating BM any smarter!

                  • 9Boots

                    “While most negative stats are usually higher in the black community (BC), trends have only been dropping all around this past decade.”

                    Not good enough for me. The violence committed against BW is too high for me.

                    “white women in interracial relatives are more than 12x likely to be abused/killed by their partners, not BW”

                    You are mixing apples and oranges. You know BW have the highest intra-racial murder rate. Now you are talking about interracial abuse/murder? That is a different discussion.

                    Where in my post did I say BW marrying out of their race will solve racism? Where in my post did I say the children of these marriages will escape racism? Exactly. It was never stated. Some of you BW fail to comprehend that the purpose of marrying inter-racially is NEVER about solving racism because obviously it will never solve racism. The purpose of BW marrying interracially is the same purpose of all marriages.

                    “Therefore shall a man leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife and the two become one flesh.” Genesis2:24

                    • hollyw

                      “Not good enough for me. The violence committed against BW is too high for me.”

                      Well, I’m glad we’ve established that, 9Boots, b/c my next question surely was going to be what are you doing about it?? Murder and violence against BW is not the only thing higher in the BC; as I said, almost everything is (except for rape, kidnappings, suicide, white collar crime, etc). Lower academic standing, higher mother/infant mortality rates, worse access to healthcare, etc.etc.etc. The common denominator is poverty, though, not RACE, so it is baffling that you take this cause of interracial dating, supported by a false ‘BW-murder-epidemic’.

                      You know what’s not good enough for me?? Bad education! Education seems to be the great equalizer that pulls poor communities up out of these conditions, yes, including DV, NOT interracial dating, so clearly, I’d beg to ask if you’re contributing just as much to that cause as you are for the one you’re heading here, if it truly is not good enough for you!

                      I don’t think the WW/BM murder stat is a diff discussion at all. You were the first to bring up abuse and murder of BW as if it were a BC phenom when it is not.

                      “Where in my post did I say BW marrying out of their race will solve racism?”

                      9Boots, this entire article is based on racism. So just the fact that you added your two cents about interracial dating into a discussion initially about racism automatically pitted your argument against that. Actually, what I think a few commentors on here, myself included, keep pointing out is how you keep trying to ignore the racist aspect of your own views lol. Supporting systematic interracial dating in a system w/rampant racism audibly blacks is an inherently racist stance. We’re aware it won’t solve racism. That’s our point. It will only fuel racism if the only reason you’re dating WM is to spite or d@mn BM. Habitually dating outside ones race b/c you think another race is inferior, for WHATEVER REASON, is a racist generalization! So NO, your reasons are def not The same reasons for all marriages, as most get married to build on common ground, not simply b/c you’re running AWAY from something.

                      Nice biblical quote.

                    • 9Boots

                      hollyw. Go back and take a look at the thread and you will see the first person to bring up interracial relationships is FromUR2UB so your two cents are not factual.

                      Also, you and other BW continue to ignore misogynoir and the hatred of BW is just as evil as racism against BM. I know that’s hard for you to comprehend because BM are more precious to you than BW.

                      “Supporting systematic interracial dating in a system w/rampant racism against blacks is an inherently racist stance”

                      LOL. If that is the case how about you take that stance up with BM first since they refuse to marry BW and marry interracially three times more than BW. Further, not every non BM is a racist so you are being extremely prejudiced. Ignoring the misogyny BM have towards BW is in fact supporting racism and sexism against BW so you might want to work on that.

                      “Habitually dating outside ones race b/c you think another race is inferior, for WHATEVER REASON, is a racist generalization!”

                      Why yes, yes, refusing to marry is an inferior behavior and I will still clear away from any group of people that do not value marriage. Once again, facts are facts. Actions speak louder then words.

                      “So NO, your reasons are def not the same reasons for all marriages, and not in any way biblical, as most get married to build on common ground, not simply b/c you’re running AWAY from something smh…”

                      I don’t know what Bible you read so I will say this,….Rahab and let the dead bury the dead.

            • Makar72

              I am a black man and I am married to a black woman… Wouldn’t have any other way. Everybody, don’t believe the hype machine!!

      • hollyw

        Oh no, another black- woman- dating scare tactic lol…

    • Trisha_B


      • FromUR2UB


    • thatguy0101

      Exactly!! its a D*mn shame isnt it?!

      although I know not all white men are racist, do black women really think majority of white men are checking for yall like that?? Seriously?? Yes I’ve known a few white guys that lust over black women because of yall bigs butts, thick thighs, etc. but to marry? Naw!! Most just want to try it out to see what its like, same goes for alot of white women…..i know from experiences. Encourage black love, Majority of black men DO in fact want black women….but we have some hurdles we need to get over as a race…

      • Guestest

        Of course the majority of white men aren’t checking for black women and majority of black women aren’t checking for white men. Only a few white men and black women are interested in dating and marrying one another.. To those few i say go ahead and swirl on! More power to them!!

        • hollyw

          Ikr the majority of EVERYONE from each race dates WITHIN that race.

      • Sardonic Grinner

        I was seriously and monogamously dating a black woman for almost two years in the eighties and we were a lot more welcome and accepted by people of color than by white people.

        I just wish folks could view each other as individuals, Prejudice severely limits one’s options for inter-personal relationships.

      • hollyw

        Majority of men other than black men also want black women. I know this from experience… you know…as a black woman lol?? And not one with “a big butt, big thighs, etc.”, either. The point was marriage, though, right? All those men seem more enthusiastic to marry, whether it be to a white woman, black woman, Asian woman, or Latino… more so than black men. So don’t just encourage “black love”; promote black MARRIAGE lol!

    • blogdiz

      What is also ironic in a few years time its very likely the daughters/granddaughters of the cops like the one who killed Michael Brown and antagonized so many other BM will be put on the pedestal and worshipped by many of the black men who make it out of Ferguson alive and successful

      • hollyw

        No, what’s more likely is that she will soon be running to the black neighborhood as fast as her little allowance money can carry her so she can sleep with as many black boys it’ll take to convince herself that she’s not racist.

    • 9Boots

      So are you saying BM are a better option for BW than WM although BM have been mass boycotting marrying BW for forty years? 26% black on black marriage rate.
      1 out of 4 BM married a non BW in 2012. BM murder BW at 2.5 times the rate of white women murders. BM are the number one producers of hate speech against BW check out YouTube.

      • Guestest

        That is very depressing to hear as a young black woman..

        • 9Boots

          This has been the pattern for the last forty years and the hatred of BW continues to increase. I used to be depressed over it but then I realized all skin folk ain’t kinfolk so I stopped expecting and hoping for BM to appreciate BW.

        • hollyw

          It’s not true.

      • Trisha_B

        But what makes a white man a better option when they are eager to shoot your son, brother, & father? Pull your stats out for that! Smh

        • 9Boots

          What makes a BM a better option when they are more likely to murder your daughter, sister, and mother? Oh that’s right, BM are the only victims in America. Am I right?

          • Trisha_B

            Never said that. Just showing how hypocritical you are. You don’t want to stereotype white men, but will for black men. Evil, ugly, bad comes in all races, as we can clearly see from this post & news

            • Guestest

              I honestly wish that some of the black men who are on the internet dogging the sh it out of black women would take up for us like you are taking up for them.. But just because some of them down us doesn’t mean that i am going to generalize them all because i know some good black men who are married to black women and who don’t bash all black women.

              • Trisha_B

                I see black men taking up for black women all the time. I see them in everyday life they just aren’t wasting their time on the internet lol….but that’s all I’m saying, why generalize? For every one black man that doesn’t like a black woman, there is a herd of others that love us

              • hollyw

                MAJORITY of black men are married to Black women. Please do not take what internet forums give you as black male consensus…

            • 9Boots

              What you fail to realize is that your so called allies (BM) are NOT your allies. It is delusional to ignore the mass abandonment and violence committed against BW at the hands of BW for the last forty years.

              • Trisha_B

                So completely ignore the love I got from my uncles, cousins, grandfather, father, family friends? Girl bye!! You are delusional to believe a white man is the answer to every problem in the black community lol….how many murders & assaults of white women are committed by white men? Their white spouses? So don’t you think if they do it to their own race, they’ll do it to you? Or do you feel the white man will worship you so much that they would never do anything to hurt you? Seriously be logicAl for a second. Everything is not peachy in the white community. Don’t care how many stats you want to pull out, the white man is not the savior. Look at the white man that shot & killed that black girl in front of his house for no reason? Look at videos of white cops beating up pregnant black women on the street. If you want to date another race, do it. You love who you love. But don’t be ignorant thinking it will solve all problems &a it would be perfect, & don’t genarlize your whole race (what your son would be regardless how pale your mate would be)

                But how is dating a WM going for you? Your been successful yet? Married?

                • 9Boots

                  I get love from my black male family members and I support them because they support me. I do not support the so called “BM community” because they have failed to support BW but you deny the facts and besides this conversation is not for you, you are not an African American. The gender war between AAs have been going on for several decades now so you can continue to be clueless. You can concern yourself with my interracial dating life after the black on black marriage rate increases to 50%.

                  • Trisha_B

                    So your dating outside of your race hasn’t be successful? Lol. So you are preaching but can’t even practice it smh…& yes, I am considered African American b/c I was born in the u.s. I’m a 1st generation American. I’m aware of what’s going on. But it’s clear YOU are being clueless to the issues in other racial communities for you to think they are the answer to all problems

                    • 9Boots

                      Get creative with your imaginations all you want. You are not worthy of being privy to all the details of my life.

                      Are your parents the descendants of slaves that were brought to the U.S.A? If not, you are not an AA. You are a first generation (whatever nation your parents come from) American. AA is an ethnicity determined by bloodline. A black person being born in Japan does not mean their ethnicity is Japanese. It means they are a Japanese citizen only. Just like Cubans do not involve themselves in the internal affairs of Mexicans, you need not involve yourself in the internal affairs of AAs.

            • FromUR2UB

              Knocking white men always strikes a nerve with some black women. It’s like they’ve turned themselves inside out and forgotten that the only reason they exist is because of a black man.

              • Guestest

                To be honest, i could give a beep about white men because i don’t date them and i don’t really find a lot of them attractive, definitely not sexually attractive. Anyway, i date black men and i will continue to date black men but the way some of them talk about us on the internet on bawsip and under tommy sotomayor videos is not cool at all. Smh

          • Wow

            Wow. That’s a powerful statement, especially considering the main people countering you are black women only arguing for the sake of “playing along with the stereotypes” SMH

            • 9Boots

              Most BW have been programmed to automatically defend BM at all costs….even if that means ignoring the abuse BW suffer at the hands of BM. Always remember that the number one abuser of BW for the last forty years are BM.

        • guest

          Whats up with all the stereotyping of white men?

          • Trisha_B

            I’m just playing along w/ the stereotypes that seems to only be reserved for black men lol. Don’t really mean it, but more so showing people how dumb & ignorant they sound when they stereotype black men on here

            • Guestest

              Just like SOME of the black men on the internet who stereotype black women all the time while putting other races of women on pedestals *sigh*. Honestly, all of this internet beef between black men and black women needs to be squashed immediately. If you are a black person and you prefer non black men/ women that’s okay but don’t generalize a whole group of people because of a few bad apples is all im saying..

              • Trisha_B

                But what does others have to do with me? So b/c SOME black men put down black women, I should just stop liking black men? Wonderful, accomplished, handsome black men that love black women? Those who talk crap about us, I see them get checked all the time. Idk why people are acting like they are in the majority. They aren’t….but I agree, stop generalizing b/c you had a bad experience. It’s just plain ignorant.

                • Guestest

                  I’m definitely not telling you to stop liking/dating black men because of a few bad apples because i certainly will not stop dating them. I’m just tired of some black men online who continue to put us all in a box while we black women continue to take up for them when people are generalizing them. I have also taken up for black men online because i am around good black men who do not degrade black women, EVER. But it seems like when someone says that black women are loud and ghetto a black man will agree instead of take up for us and say “yep, that’s why i date non black women”. Hopefully a lot of these “black men” online are non black trolls. Probably so..

                  • Trisha_B

                    Oh, yea. A lot of them are trolls. But I see what you are saying!

      • FromUR2UB

        You are no more right in your hatred against black men than some of them are in their hatred against black women. That seems to be the part that many of you miss. Black men are in America. Maybe you can find utopia in some parts of Europe, where the only reminders of black men’s existence will be your image staring back at you from a mirror.

        • 9Boots

          I see you do not like hearing the facts about BM and refer to facts as hate speech.

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  • R.S

    Same ole same ole im sure w h itey knows of his karma when it come, may it come through the hands of the Lord

    • Sardonic Grinner

      Often the truth (if it ever comes out) is relegated to the back pages of the paper. The media tends to forget too easily their role in the cover-up