Once An Abuser, Always An Abuser? Could You Date a Man With A Violent Past?

August 16th, 2012 - By Brande Victorian

 

As you get older, you outgrow a lot of labels. Perhaps you were a nerd in school because you were smart, or dated a guy seen as a jock because he valued athleticism, or maybe you were the pro-black chick just because your hair was natural. Whatever people defined you as, it’s likely their perception of you was different  when you reached college or entered the real world because like everything else on earth, people change. But there are some labels that never leave you. Like the sentiment that once someone tells a lie they are in fact a liar, a man who puts his hands on a woman rarely escapes the label of woman beater, abuser, or assaulter. And though those furthest from these men may never be able to see them in any other light outside their violence, often these so-called abusers go on to have relationships with other women who can see past a former abuse. Could you?

Evelyn and Chad’s current situation may in some people’s minds make a strong case for the dangers of overlooking a past transgression. Though most of the public wasn’t aware of Chad’s previous domestic dispute, once news hit of his altercation with Evelyn this weekend, suddenly he had a “history of domestic violence.” Uncovering the domestic battery charge the former NFL star received in 2000 in light of the head-butting that took place 12 years later this past weekend changed the conversation from “Chad should’ve known what he was getting into” because of Evelyn’s antics on “Basketball Wives” to “Evelyn should’ve known better” than to date someone with a violent past such as his. Assuming there aren’t any other hidden incidents such as these, can we really say Chad demonstrates a pattern of abuse and that Evelyn should have expected to be physically assaulted at some point in their relationship? It’s not quite that cut and dry.

Not all men turn out to be repeat offenders, at least as we know so far, when it comes to two well-known celebrities. Take producer Memphitz, whose domestic dispute was the talk of the Internet before Chad and Evelyn’s unfortunate incident. “Love & Hip-Hop Atlanta” star K. Michelle unearthed his violent past throughout their tumultuous relationship, but his wife of one year, who has known him for six, paints an entirely different picture of him. K. Michelle depicts him as an angry man that she somewhat provoked to violent outbursts of anger while Toya describes a sweet southern man she could never imaging laying a hand on a woman. What we don’t know, though, is if Toya knew that this alleged assault took place with K. Michelle before she met and married Memphitz, and whether that would have mattered at all?

One woman we can’t say is blind to her boyfriend’s violent past is Karrueche Tran. I know, we all think she’s just a cover, but at the very least she spends enough time in Chris Brown’s company that if he were to lose his cool and get physical again, she would be a likely target. There virtually isn’t a person in the world who isn’t aware of what went down between Chris and Rihanna three years ago, and whether motivated by love, lust, or luxury, Karrueche certainly didn’t mind taking a chance that Breezy wouldn’t be a repeat offender, and so far he doesn’t appear to be.

However, not all women are so lucky. In a small sample study on recidivism among male batterers, 32% of battered women said they were reassaulted after their partners participated in violence treatment programs. An even larger percentage – 70 –were subjected to verbal abuse, 45% to controlling behaviors, and 43% experienced threats.  We know that part of Chad’s sentencing in his first domestic altercation was to complete a 12-month batterer’s  counseling program, yet it would appear that he struck again last weekend. Chris Brown was sentenced to physical labor and domestic violence counseling, yet aside from throwing a chair through a window at Good Morning America’s studios, he hasn’t had another violent incident that we know of.

For some women, word of a violent past is an automatic deal breaker, for others they err on the side of caution until they see signs of said behavior, and still for another percentage the attitude is that whatever the man in question did in a past relationship has no bearing on their current or future one. I’d venture to say the last stance is a tad naïve, while the first may be a bit staunch.

As the saying goes that once you’re a cheater, you’re always a cheater, can the same be said that once you abuse a woman, you’re always an abuser?

Could you date a man who you knew had been physically violent with a woman before?

Brande Victorian is the news and operations editor for madamenoire.com. Follow her on twitter @Be_Vic.

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  • disqus_WfmNqv9gsC

    ONCE A CHEATER ALWAYS A CHEATER… AND IN THAT ORDER!

  • applesauce585

    Whatever is in you gonna come out on you and everybody around you gonna know you! Just a matter of time….

  • Is It 5:00 Yet?

    I think anyone can change their ways for the better if they put their minds to it.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/LMVI6QGGVLHIAIVA6NXW3SZQWI BROWNIE

    Violence is and will always be a automatic deal-breaker with me. Like my father always said to my sister and I; “if he do it to you once…he’ll do it again”. I do not forgive violence, cheating, lying or any other form of abuse. And yes I do look at the company you keep too. If you are a man that has lots of thuggish friends and the like, you will not be in my circle. PERIOD!

  • DT103

    Never, ever, ever in my long-legged life will I get down with a man with a history of violence. Beyond the actual physical act, which is horrific in itself, I think it reflects an overall volatility of personality that I don’t have time to deal with. I feel like a lot of men who abuse women grew up in environments where there was constant drama and violence, followed by some kumba ya-esque resolution with declarations of love and broken promises to never do it again. I’m not one for drama and definitely not one for violence, so I’m not going to be the woman who invites a man with that sort of history into my life. God and some very open-minded women will forgive those types of transgression, but I’m just not the one.

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/LMVI6QGGVLHIAIVA6NXW3SZQWI BROWNIE

      Me either sista….me either…I avoid violent men like the PLAGUE!

  • Na Na

    I am a survivor of Domestic Violence. In a totally separate relationship that I have had off an on for the past 14 years (yep started in 8th grade) with a man who has never raised his voice at me not to mention a finger or a hand, has domestic violence situations on the regular with his childrens mother. Why is it different between me and her, that I do not know and won’t even try to explain, however I can say that we are close to this day and in 14 years has never put his hands on me or gave any inclination that he would. Would I be in a relationship with him one day (I’m in a great one now that’s headed down the aisle so in essence no) but in reality if this didn’t work out I would be with him because he has provided and taken care of me even while we’re both in other relationships, were great friends.

  • fresh_air

    As a survivor of domestic violence who is still in therapy over the physical, verbal and mental abuse I was subjected to by my husband I would have to say once an abuser, always an abuser. One day, one incident and that person will snap back to their old ways. It’s just a matter of time

  • islandman

    Reading throughout these comments everybody seem to leave out the aggressive nature of these “so called abuse women” towards their men. I personally saw women on more than one occasion hitting men with shoes,kicking them on the streets of NYC,people gather around like it some type show laughing making jokes. When those men protect themselve from these same women they run and call the police crying “oh he hit me! how dear you hit a woman?”.Me personally if anyone (man/woman) hit me and I feel my body/life is in danger I’m going lay you out.
    Side Note:
    From my observation some Black American women are very aggressive, vocal women and some time they can overstep their boundaries.Do their bad behaviors warrant a man beating them bloody?NO..Keep your hands to yourselves ladies and no man would bust your head open.

  • ashley79

    Why do we put all the emphasis on the men? Women can be the abusers just look at Tawny Kitaen; she beat her husband with a high heel. Everyone thought it was funny, laughed and told jokes about it. Would you give a second chance if a family member (brother, sister, mom, dad) assaulted (let’s not forget that domestic violence/abuse is that) another member of the family or even a stranger. I would have to know the details of the incident before I make that decision. It’s almost like asking if you would date someone who has a police record.

    Putting your hands on someone does not make it right male or female.

  • Kai

    I really think that some men that become violent, not all, but some, are provoked. Many women will run in a guy’s face pointing fingers, cussing, and whatever else, then expect that he not get upset also. I’ve known men who will tell the woman to move out of his face, and try to leave, but she doesn’t know when to stop. At the end, she ends up getting slapped or pushed out of the way. Women need to also know when to quit, and take responsibility for their actions int he situation as well. It doesn’t matter how angry you get, if you, as a woman, don’t have self control, you can’t expect someone else to have self control…On the other hand, if he’s just around here beating on women to prove he’s a “man”, then he needs a serious intervention before trying to be with another woman.

  • NiceNasty

    To be honest this topic is not so black and white, appose to how everybody is trying to make it seem. Yea people love to say these sayings like ” Once a cheater, always a cheater,” or ” Once a beater, always a beater.” But honestly when that person makes up their mind that they want to change for the better then who the hell are we to keep labeling them as something that they are no more? If that’s the case then what’s your label? Cause we’re all sinners so we’ve all done something wrong, so what “set” do you claim? Nobody is perfect, but like I said before if that person is turning their life around then why must we keep getting in the way? Of course people are going to say that they would not date a man with a violent past , but how would you know that he had a violent past? Because as we all know, most victims don’t report their abuse or abuser, they jus don’t say anything and nobody will ever know. So to those who are shouting from the mountain tops HELL NO, how do you know if the man you cuddling up next to has/had a violent past? You don’t, and it’s no way for you to know if the people he abused hasn’t reported it or if he hasn’t beaten your a$$. Sometimes it better for us to jus not say anything, till you’ve actually been there. And since we love sayings, how bout the one that saids ” Never say never.” Cause you can say it one day but sooner or later you will be eating your words another day.

    • http://www.facebook.com/hawa.bond Hawa JerseyShore Bond

      Actually, my abuser gave himself away when speaking about his history with his ex-wife. He made her sound like a monster (clue #1) and how she kept lying that he abused her (clue #2). I was too late on the clues, so now I’m on the list.
      Secondly, abusers often exhibit verbally abusive, emotionally abusive, and other controlling behaviors long before the first hit. That became my clue #3.
      As for “turning their lives around….” I bought that version of his story early in the relationship. I’ve simply learned two things: (1) It takes a LOT of work to reverse bad behavior (such as abuse, alcoholism, etc. (2) Many who say they’ve “done the work” haven’t truly transformed. Bonus item (3) I don’t want to test the waters of anybody’s “healing.” If they have a violent past, I personally don’t wanna stick around to confirm they’re recovered…

    • DT103

      It’s true you can’t know everything about everyone, but the question was about knowingly dating someone with a history of abuse. And the answer to that question, for me, is a resounding hell no. We’re all sinners and no one is perfect, but your number one priority should be your happiness and safety. A man could have a spiritual awakening and vowed never to hit a woman again, but many women won’t be interested in finding out how committed he is to keeping that vow. Same goes for women who abuse men. If you knew she smacked her baby-daddy that time she caught him at the club, why do you think she’s not going to smack you for some other reason? If you want a relationship with someone who won’t act out physically why would you date someone who has already crossed that line?

  • FromUR2UB

    Knowingly? No. But, some people think it’s OK for a woman to hit a man, and that he should just accept it because she’s “the weaker sex”. If a man hit her first, then yeah, I’d say pick up whatever is closest and lay him out. But, to put your hands on someone just because they ticked you off and think there should be no consequence for it is delusional. And, there’s no defense for head-butting a woman unless she has your hands and feet bound, and is beating you. I don’t feel all of these cases are comparable to one another.
    Here’s a real case of abuse, but I hadn’t recognized what I was seeing until I grew older: When I went to my high school senior prom, my boyfriend and I double-dated with a girl I’d known since third grade. Her brother and my boyfriend were best friends. As we waited for her to finish getting ready, we sat at the dining room table conversing with her parents and brother. We were all seated except for her mother, who remained standing, but joined in the conversation occasionally. I don’t remember what the conversation was about but it was nothing serious. Shortly afterward, the girl’s father turned and glared at his wife after she spoke. Initially, it didn’t occur to me that he was doing that. The next time she spoke, all of a sudden, the father shouted, “Shut up!” The mother closed her mouth immediately. I sat there wondering what had just happened, because she hadn’t said anything wrong. She was only participating in the conversation. It got quiet for a few seconds, then the guys resumed the conversation like nothing had happened. I was still trying to figure out what was going on. She didn’t say another word during the time we were there. I didn’t understand what I had seen until years later, when I learned that the girl’s brother was kicking his girlfriend’s behind. Then I began putting it all together. I remembered a time in third grade, when the girl’s mother had gone to her home state, and was gone for months, almost the entire school year. It didn’t seem like she was going to come back. As an adult, I came to understand that she was trying to leave that man, but he probably wouldn’t let her have her children. This is a real case of abuse, where a crazy man got angry only because his wife was participating in a conversation in her own home. Had she not shut up, he probably would have gotten up and struck the woman in front of us. But in other cases, regardless of sex, people should expect that if they hit first, they may get hit back. It’s insane that someone can be the aggressor, then resort to being a victim after losing the fight.
    When I went to my high school senior prom, my boyfriend and I double-dated with a girl I’d known since third grade. Her brother and my boyfriend were best friends. As we waited for her to finish getting ready, we sat at the dining room table conversing with her parents and brother. We were all seated except for her mother, who remained standing, but joined in the conversation occasionally. I don’t remember what the conversation was about but it was nothing serious. Shortly afterward, the girl’s father turned and glared at his wife after she spoke. Initially, it didn’t occur to me that he was doing that. The next time she spoke, all of a sudden, the father shouted, “Shut up!” The mother closed her mouth immediately. I sat there wondering what had just happened, because she hadn’t said anything wrong. She was only participating in the conversation. It got quiet for a few seconds, then the guys resumed the conversation like nothing had happened. I was still trying to figure out what was going on. She didn’t say another word during the time we were there. I didn’t understand what I had seen until years later, when I learned that the girl’s brother was kicking his girlfriend’s behind. Then I began putting it all together. I remembered a time in third grade, when the girl’s mother had gone to her home state, and was gone for months, almost the entire school year. It didn’t seem like she was going to come back. As an adult, I came to understand that she was trying to leave that man, but he probably wouldn’t let her have her children. This is a real case of abuse, where a crazy man got angry only because his wife was participating in a conversation in her own home. Had she not shut up, he probably would have gotten up and struck the woman in front of us. But in other cases, regardless of sex, people should expect that if they hit first, they may get hit back. It’s insane that someone can be the aggressor, then resort to being a victim after losing the fight.

    • NiceNasty

      Yea that’s abuse 101!!

  • Cali Grown

    I dont think its immediate grounds for dismissal. I believe some people bring out the worst in you and maybe thats how it happened with them. I wouldn’t fault someone for something if they haven’t done anything to me.

    • http://www.facebook.com/hawa.bond Hawa JerseyShore Bond

      Some people bring out the worst in you? That’s like blaming the victim. And if your “worst” is to beat me because I somehow strike that “nerve” in you…. you’re still a jerk… Oh how I’ve learned about paying attention to past behavior, no matter how long ago it was. I’d hate to see another woman learn this one the hard way…

      • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/LMVI6QGGVLHIAIVA6NXW3SZQWI BROWNIE

        With her mindset, it won’t be long before she is in a relationship with an abuser and blaming herself for him beating her down…ugh…

  • redfingerpaint

    I don’t think I could. You might have slapped the first few girls around, but I don’t know if you will choke the life out of me.

    Men and women both can be violent. As a matter of fact, back in high school some of the juiciest fights were girl vs girl…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JAI4SRENU2A5WKRTELXXYJPDSI Kayla

    This is a really tough question. How do you define a violent past? A lot of times the woman provokes the man to the point where he snaps. I may get flamed for this, but I think there’s a difference between a man who snaps one time, and a man who has a violent, and dominating personality. Some men thrive on the fact that they are stronger then woman , and have deeper emotional, control issues. Those are the men I would steer clear from. For the man who snaps, while I’m not excusing his behavior at all, you have to understand that everyone snaps at some point, woman snap all the time on other woman (i.e. basketball wives) and sometimes their men. I don’t believe in a woman getting loud and aggressive, and provoking a man, then when he hits you, you cry like a baby. I don’t believe anyone should put their hands on anyone AT ALL. no matter the gender. It’s that very thinking that allows alot of men who are being abused to suffer in silence. I hate the fact that woman can abuse men, for a long period of time but the minute he slaps her one good time, he’s deemed as a monster, and she’s crying on the phone to the police. I will personally never provoke my man to that point, heck I don’t provoke anyone, to that point at all. If I knew he was provoked to that point in the past, then we can work with it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/hawa.bond Hawa JerseyShore Bond

      Men who “snap” because they’re provoked are still demonstrating a lack of self-control. Of all the options (such as physically leaving the argument), to “snap” shows poor judgement. So even if he isn’t a “control freak,” I’d still have an issue with his choices.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JAI4SRENU2A5WKRTELXXYJPDSI Kayla

        That would go for anyone who snaps. If he continually allows himself to be provoked to that point. Then that would pose a problem.

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/LMVI6QGGVLHIAIVA6NXW3SZQWI BROWNIE

      Bullshit, the only way one should be provoked into hitting someone only if that person put their hands on them…other than that, being provoked into violence because of what someone said shows a clear lack of self control…and a violent psychopath!

  • curiosity.killed.the.cat

    I personally wouldn’t and this is coming from “vicarious” experience.

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