The Trouble with Waiting for a Man to be ‘Ready’

January 3rd, 2012 - By Brande Victorian

Mixed response would be an understatement to describe the public reaction to Lebron James popping the question to his long-time girlfriend, Savannah, over the weekend. For the most part, people were genuinely happy that two kids and ten years later, Bron was finally going to move Savannah from side kick to wife, but that didn’t stop a whole lot of “what took you so long” reactions, as well as comments that at 27, Lebron was too young and too sought after to make such a commitment.

But perhaps that’s the very thing that kept him waiting for 10 years, as so many common men do as well—with women who let them. To be honest, I didn’t give much thought to Lebron’s proposal, other than feeling happy that Savannah was finally getting something I’m sure she’d been wishing for for some time.  But watching Jim Jones give Chrissy a ring on “Love and Hip hop” last night did cause me to feel some sort of way, and it wasn’t exactly joy. I think part of it had to do with the fact that Jim didn’t even get down on one knee—which I didn’t notice until my third time watching (don’t judge). But then I remembered he was the one who had been proposed to so I guess it was OK for him to just pull out the box like he did. I was more so annoyed that it took Chrissy saying she needed a break from him and actually leaving, albeit for a weekend trip to Miami, for Jim to get it.

It’s safe to say Jim Jones and Lebron James probably don’t have a whole lot in common, but they do have access to a lot of money and a lot of women, which doesn’t make the prospect of settling down with just one lady particularly desirable. But something else they seem to share with each other, and tons of men in the general population, is a need for a woman to prove her loyalty, and even “wifeability” (made that up) by sticking with him through thick and thin for inordinate stretches of time.

It’s no secret men and women operate on different time tables, and that’s especially true when it comes to relationships.  Men are more willing to let a good thing ride while women are constantly wondering when things are going to move to the next level, and the question that becomes hard for women to answer is how long should they wait for their man to be ready? I don’t think there’s any concrete number you can stamp on any relationship, although personally I think if we’re at the five-year mark we need to figure out what we’re doing in the long-run. Chrissy surpassed that mark by a year or two and Lebron and Savannah doubled that—while making babies in the process. Some would take that as a sign of building a family but it could’ve just as easily been the result of a faulty prophylactic. I don’t agree with those who say if Lebron is old enough to make babies, he’s old enough to get married. Fifteen-year-olds can have babies. But if you’re man enough to decide to create babies with someone intentionally, you ought to be man enough to marry her—if that’s what you both want. Creating children without a family structure is not OK, especially if you don’t know that the person mothering your children is someone you want around for the rest of your life.

But there’s a fine, and sometimes painful line, between waiting for a man to be ready and wasting your time.  I thought Chrissy was doing the latter, but it seems there’s no better reality check for a man like the threat of being left that gets those engagement wheels in motion.  Despite waiting a long time to give her a ring, Jim’s love for Chrissy never seemed to be in question, it was just a matter of them being on the same page about their future. Still, the smack upside the head that’s needed to make a man realize it’s time to step up seems far too common for men in long-term relationships. Perhaps the women have already stayed around too long without demanding more of a commitment that the men see no immediate need to progress but there also seems to be a need for men to feel totally supported before they agree to walk down the aisle.

When a friend of mine talked about the reason he married his wife, he said that she was the only one who stuck with him through all of his “BS.” While my first inclination was to ask, why did you put her through that BS in the first place, his narrative is a similar one I’ve heard from many men. They want to be assured that the woman they are with will be down for them no matter what, and after six to 10 years, I imagine you would’ve seen your man at his ultimate low. The question is, do you want to stand beside someone through all of that when you haven’t even made a marital commitment to them or would you rather find someone who doesn’t feel the need to make you prove just how long-suffering love is to get him to say “I Do.” And more importantly, while you’re proving your loyalty to him what does his hesitation to step up say about his commitment to you?

Every relationship has its own issues, and Chrissy, Savannah, (and let’s give T.I.’s wife, Tiny, an honorable mention here) definitely win the gold medals for sticking it out. In the end, these women appear to have gotten what they’ve spent many years waiting for, but only time will tell if the wait was worth it.

How long do you think a woman should wait for her man to be ready to marry her? What do you think are the signs that a man just isn’t ready versus he’s not the one?

Brande Victorian is a blogger and culture writer in New York City. Follower her on Twitter at @be_vic.

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  • Smart move Lebron

    Sometimes the reason you wait so long is because you are intelligent. Just because you met someone who seems like your soulmate doesn’t mean you need to get hitched at age 18. Sometimes it’s better to wait 7 or 8 years until you are more educated, financially stable and mature. You can still marry the same person it is not a sin to wait until marriage and family seems financially smart. I am a girl and me and my boyfriend have been dating since 20 but while we have been dating for 3 years we both as of right now know we want to spend our lives together but we want to get married when we are finished with our masters and have a job around 26 or 27. A long dating period is a prevention against the rise in divorce we have seen in our parents not my boyfriend ‘taking me for granted’. I think he has worked very hard in this relationship and I consider us equals. If Lebron and his fiance met when they were 17 then I have nothing but respect for them until waiting until a normal marriage age of 27. After 10 years I am sure they knew they loved eachother and their lifestyles meshed well. Yound marriage rates are a major cause of divorce. My parents dated for 9 years from 18 until 27 before engagement and they have been married 30 years with three kids.

  • Jilliam

    I think it depends on your age. If you’re 21, waiting 6 years is not out of the question. If you’re 31 and you want children, waiting 6 years can mean giving up your desire to have children. 

  • luvlychoc

    I say just come to some kind of an understanding from the jump! If you put in 3 or more years and you don’t see the relationship going to the next level then keep it pushin! It’s ridiculous to waste your time on someone that isn’t on the same page as you.

  • luvlychoc

    I say just come to some kind of an understanding from the jump! If you put in 3 or more years and you don’t see the relationship going to the next level then keep it pushin! It’s ridiculous to waste your time on someone that isn’t on the same page as you.

  • Burito9245

    Update: Now that Chrissy has the ring she’s claiming that she doesn’t care if they don’t get married because she feels like she is already Mrs. Jones.  The article was very nice but it doesn’t apply to bone-head mentality women like Chrissy.  In her eyes she thinks the ring itself is enough.   I didn’t understand that comment after nagging the h#ll out of him about making a commitment and threatening(not that she was really going anywhere) to leave. You can’t put Chrissy in the same category as Savannah and Tiny.  These two actually stayed with their mates without complaining to the public and kept their business to themselves with class. We have not heard of sordid past histories with Savannah and Tiny.  Sorry, completely different stories/lives and in no way a comparison.

  • Burito9245

    Update: Now that Chrissy has the ring she’s claiming that she doesn’t care if they don’t get married because she feels like she is already Mrs. Jones.  The article was very nice but it doesn’t apply to bone-head mentality women like Chrissy.  In her eyes she thinks the ring itself is enough.   I didn’t understand that comment after nagging the h#ll out of him about making a commitment and threatening(not that she was really going anywhere) to leave. 

    You can’t put Chrissy in the same category as Savannah and Tiny.  These two actually stayed with their mates without complaining to the public and kept their business to themselves with class. We have not heard of sordid past histories with Savannah and Tiny.  Sorry, completely different stories/lives and in no way a comparison.   

  • Is It 5:00 Yet?

    I’m not wasting my good years on a man who won’t commit. It shouldn’t take you a whole decade to figure out if you want to marry me. Life is too short.

  • Jody

    I am actually going through this right now. My boyfriend and I started dating when I was 23 and he was 22. I didn’t feel that we were ready for marriage even at 25, but I am now, I know it’s crazy to wait this long, it’s been 61/2 years, I have had the talk many times with him, I have stuck by him through all the ups and downs, I’ve stayed loyal to him, but still no ring. I don’t know what else to do but move on. So right now as we speak I am leaving the cold weather for a new start in Miami where my family is, but…..without him….I believe I stayed because he is the one I saw myself with, and also I didn’t wanna start over again, I didn’t want him to change for the next woman after I put so much into our relationship. He doesn’t understand why I can’t wait anymore…I’m tired of wasting time….what else would I have to prove to him? His Mother and I have a great relationship too and it is hard to leave everyone not just him.

    • Candy

      Well props to you girl. It sounds like you guys grew together as a couple but after a while you were ready for more and he was still on a different page. I know its hard to just leave. And there’s nothing wrong with wanting more or wanting to get married when your ready. But its difficult when your with someone who isn’t on the same page as you with that topic. So keep ya head up.

      • Jody

        Thank You….

  • J’Nel

    A five year mark is my timing. Simply because I’ve set a plan for myself. I personally think before bringing children into the world you should have some sort of stability so they can know the values of love. Of course in this day in age not many people believe in marriage or long term relationships but I guess to each is own

  • Preciousnay

    Well I’m like some of you ladies. All though I am 22 and was with my ex who is 27 for 2 and a half years. Thought we would actually hit three. I did think that with being with someone just a little bit older than me did make a big difference. But now that we aint together I’m realizing that I got my life together more than he does and like I say I’m only 22. I think that being in this relationship made me learn so much about myself and the man I want to marry in the future. I know yall probably thinking you to young but I did have hope of getting married in the near future especially because it was talked about between me and him and i loved him. But it just seem like he was a little more all talk and no show or action. After finding out I was pregnant I actually HOPED things would change. Like a dumby. So when I watch these shows sadly I can relate not by choice. But I think it was a learning period for me. We lived together. He was leaving for deployment and I really wanted a commitment before he left because I had already went through a deployment. So I tried giving him “I’m done and I don’t want to do it no more.” And even though we were living together you not getting no goodies or anything else. It was really a lesson learned for me.

    I’m pregnant and I did not want to be raising a child alone let alone not married. I really looked back at a lot of things my dad said about my ex and he was right on point and I wish i listened. But I continue to tell myself I’m on track though. I finish my BA in Business Management in May this year and baby boy or girl will be born in that month also. And being in a situation like this was so emotional for me and I just needed to surround myself with family which helped. As much as I wanted to give in before I left him and just be like lets try to make it work I’m glad I didn’t because he has to learn. I look at it like I’m 22 I got my whole life and my child’s life ahead of me and I can’t be wasting time. He’ll be 28 this year and just doing the same thing. He says gotta get it together but this aint a new scenario. Which is why I’m like time ticking for you. But Hopefully all the new year talk is real and not just some more talk.
    Its nice to see that some of you ladies are doing real good since you kicked someone to the curb. But I just wanted to share since its fresh

    • Labelsrlove875

      Girl the was so good I didn’t even think of any words close enough for you to take out of my mouth!

      • Labelsrlove875

        wrong person sorry

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  • Big Mike

    You never TRULY know what you have until adversity strikes.

    The sooner a man can figure out what you are when things are going bad, the sooner he will propose.

    I have seen it with one of my homeboys. His wife is a HELLUVA woman! They got married after three months.

    And might I add, neither of them are the ‘play the game’, don’t show your hand’ types. They are ‘what you see is what you get’, straightforward people, and boy did they hit it off. Inseparable.

  • Cher1ce

    I’ve been married for 13 years and I still don’t understand the desperation among most women to get married.  If I had to do it all over again I wouldn’t commit. My husband and I still act like teenagers in love but we would’ve been just as fine without the paper.  (I’m one of those ppl who wouldn’t even commit to a gym membership or cell phone contract LOL.  If I can’t get out of it quickly, I don’t want it). 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003085266535 Courtney Small

    It all depends on the situation, not everyone wants to get married. If the two people are fine, without wanting to get married, then by all means do you. But it’s rude, and wrong to keep someone waiting. 

    • Kim

      Thank you!  When this subject comes up it is always assumed that all women want to get married and that is not always the case.  I have no desire to get married. I have been married before and know that the commitment is in the heart, not the legal document.  I’m 35 and am in a wonderful relationship nurtured over the years with the love of my life.  We’ve discussed marriage in the abstract, but I’m not really interested.  Things have been going well over the past years and I am not about to rock the boat.  Getting married doesn’t necessarily mean that someone is truly committed to you.  They still can leave if they so choose.  I’m not against anyone getting married because it can be a beautiful thing.  I just hope those who choose to aren’t in love with the fairytale.

      • Fhmouh

        I dont think the author assumed that all women want to marry.  And why do women who choose not to marry have to ASSUME that women who do want to marry do so because it’s a fairy tale.  Many men and women want to marry for various reasons, including religious, tradition, commitment, family unity, etc.  If you feel that you have those things without a marriage, GREAT.  But other prefer otherwise. 

  • Pivyque

    Assuming that the couple believes in getting married…Who says that she is waiting? There are women that aren’t ready to be married. My ex kept pushing the issue of getting married (we were together 6 years) and I just did not want to do it. He proposed..after I said that I wasn’t ready. I said yes but told him it would be a long engagement. I wanted to wait until I was comfortable in my career and location, as well as pay off my college loans. He didn’t understand. He kept pushing for a wedding date, so I left. I am married now because I am where I want to be in my life. I think a discussion of marriage should be had before getting into a relationship. Let someone know you have a time frame and don’t move in together before marriage. He and I never lived together so it was easier to leave. My friends tell me that their partners got comfortable once they started “playing house”.

    • GirlSixx

       ”My friends tell me that their partners got comfortable once they started “playing house”. ”

      I’ve seen this play out as well.. I am from the old skool of thought, horse before the cart, marriage before cohabitation and babies because I believe once ya’ll start living together he loses all incentive to make you HIS WIFE, because he is already getting all the husband perks already (cooking/cleaning/laundry/co-bill paying/sex, etc.) all while keeping his last name intact but yet on the other hand I’ve seen it work out pretty well for some folks (mainly white folks, sad to say but hey!!! *shrug*) and the reason being is that because when they do decide to live together she is wearing the engagement ring already and the wedding is actually being planned.

      • Pivyque

        Exactly! It works for some people, but I do feel like there should be a difference between dating and getting married. Even after we got engaged, we didn’t move in together. We wanted to save that experience for marriage.

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