11 Black Celebrities Who Say They’re Not African American

October 6, 2014  |  
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Raven-Symone just ruffled a lot of feathers after revealing to Oprah that she doesn’t consider herself gay or Black. But Raven isn’t the only celebrity who doesn’t want to be labeled as African-American. Prepare to be surprised by the celebrities who don’t think they belong on the Black list.

Devyn Abdullah

Devyn Abdullah

When The Face model Devyn Adbullah told Wendy Williams, “I don’t really consider myself as a black girl model. I know what my ethnicity is, but I’m fair-skinned and I feel like I have an international look” she not only took the audience by surprise but her mentor Naomi Campbell was shocked as well. She famously quipped, “What the f*ck does she mean? That’s a disgrace! She’s a Black girl.”

Zoe Saldana

Zoe Saldana

Zoe Saldana said that she thinks “there’s no such as people of color.”

While on BET, she said:

“I literally run away from people that use words like ethnic. It’s preposterous! To me there is no such thing as people of color cause in reality people aren’t white. Paper is white. People are pink, it’s a bit ridiculous when I have to explain to a human being, that is an adult like I am, that looks intelligent but for some reason I have to question his intelligence and explain to him as if he was a two year old, my composition in order for him to say, ‘Oh I guess I can chill with you, I can work with you.’

I will not underestimate a human being and I will not allow another human being to underestimate me. I feel like as a race, that’s a minute problem against the problems we face just as women versus men, in a world that’s more geared and designed to cater towards the male species.”

Keyshia Cole

Keyshia Cole

When R&B singer Keyshia Cole said that she was hesitant about participating in Black Girls Rock because she wasn’t sure if she was Black, Black Twitter exploded with criticism. Keyshia quickly backpedaled and said ““I’m bi-racial, but it’s okay. I’m Black.” But she still left a few fans feeling frustrated.

Karrine Steffans

Karrine Steffans

Video model Karrine Steffans — better known by her industry nick name Superhead — says that she doesn’t consider herself or her son African-American. Karrine says that because she’s from St. Thomas, she doesn’t have a black “state of mind”:

“I think people forget, I’m an islander. I’m not African American. I don’t have like African American struggles. I just don’t. I don’t have the same history. So, and I’m not even tryna be facetious…There’s a serious mind state that comes with being Black in America and being a Black American. And the history that comes with that. And all things that are passed down from generation to generation…Shame. Shame sexually. Sexually shaming. Shame on the female gender. Shame just all kinds of shame. And abuse. And belittling and all those things that come from post-slavery.”

Raven Symone

Raven Symone

Former Cosby Show star Raven-Symone recently shocked her fans when she told Oprah that she didn’t want to be labeled “gay” or “African-American”:

“I’m tired of being labeled. I’m an American. I’m not an African-American; I’m an American…I’m a colorless person”

To which Oprah replied, “Oh, girl, Don’t set up the Twitter on fire… Oh, my lord. What did you just say?”

And then Twitter was set on fire.

Shemar Moore

Shemar Moore

Despite starring in some of Black Hollywood’s biggest movies, Shemar Moore says that he doesn’t consider himself a “black actor”: “I’m just Shemar Moore the actor. I’m very proud to be Black but I’m just as much Black as I am White.”

Bill Cosby

Bill Cosby

In his controversial 2004 NAACP event commemorating the 50th anniversary of Brown vs. Board of Education, Bill Cosby said call him anything but African-American:

“We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don’t know a thing about Africa. With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap, and all of them are in jail.”

Gabriel Aubry

Gabriel Aubry

OK, so Gabriel Aubry obviously knows he’s White. What he doesn’t understand is his daughter is also Black. TMZ reported that he goes “nuts” whenever anyone calls his daughter Nahla, born to bi-racial actress Halle Berry, Black — and even tried to get the word retracted when he saw it in print.

Tiger Woods

Tiger Woods

The world may consider Tiger Woods the first African American to win the Masters, but Tiger told Oprah that he considers himself “Cablinasian”: a mixture of Caucasian, black, Indian and Asian.

Wentworth Miller

Wentworth Miller

Prison Break star Wentworth Miller came under fire when he was accused of passing for white while a student at Harvard. Wentworth says that he had other reasons for not revelaing that he is half Black, but a lot of Miller’s fans still don’t know that he’s biracial.

Rashida Jones

Rashida Jones

Kidada Jones says that her famous sister Rashida used to pass for white back when they were in school. She told Glamour Magazine,

“I didn’t want my mother to come to my new school. If kids saw her, it would be: “your mom’s white!” I told Mom she couldn’t pick me up; she had to wait down the street in her car. Did Rashida have that problem? No! She passed for white.”

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  • Alias Darker

    they’re not black , they’re biracial , they are just being honest that’s all .
    these people have one white parent , by respect for them they can’t call themselves just one side , plus it would be ridiculous .

  • Alinka

    The best quote ever:

    “We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don’t know a thing about Africa. With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap, and all of them are in jail.”

    This entire post is taking what these people said completely out of context.

    Not wanting to be associated with “African-Americans” and the Black American
    state of mind of struggle and plight does not mean renouncing your Black heritage. That is especially true of Blacks who are raised outside of the United States. I admire them for renouncing to fall for the hype and hoopla of being half a continent. There is no such person as African-American. You are either one or the other.

  • Amon Pizarro

    Aubrys daughter would be seen in most european countries as white with an outlandish touch.
    Even neo nazisin germany or hungary would not bother her.

  • keef

    i gotta say one thing: “whats colour got to do with anything here?”. born in america = American. I never understood this whole “irish America”, “Italian American”, “Latin America”, “African american”, “Chinese american” crap. If a model is light skinned shes a light skinned model – if a model is dark skinned shes dark skinned. Certain models are needed depending on their skin tone and the target audience of the modeling. That’s the fact. America will ALWAYS have problems as long as it insists on labeling people by the colour of their skin. If you want to have an adult conversation with someone about their roots that’s one thing, but why the hell should people be labeled based on something that doesn’t have any meaning. You can been proud of your ancestry without having to parade it round and label yourself some special title like you’re overcompensating for something. What about a light skinned 2nd generation Jamaican or African? Are they gonna say I’m American Jamaican or American African – I hope not. They are Jamaican or African FFS. I once heard someone say they didn’t understand why all the binge drinking messed up their liver because they have Scottish ancestry and Scots can hold their drink – that’s the SAME STUPID SH@T as this!! We are what we are NOW!

  • Joanne White

    Black consciousness

    I just read of certain black stars that don’t want to
    represent them selves as being black.
    Its take a certain level of consciousness to be able to
    identify as black.
    These people are running away from racism by burying their
    heads in the sand, feeling if they don’t say the word racism or black wider
    society will accept them.

    Once your black you ARE black.
    You can only pass for white if you have white skin.

    There’s a whole world out there that accepts black skin, why
    can’t you accept that for yourself.

    If you believe you are not black why do you accept black
    acting roles? Do you not see the contradiction?

    Black is beautiful, white is beautiful. Red and yellow are beautiful.
    You’re a fool if you don’t realise this.

    Are you really going to say you will fight for black rights
    at the same time as not admitting that your black.
    The powers that be want to act like black does not exist.
    Poor does not exist. Then when they discriminate, they can say they cannot be discriminating
    against these things, as they don’t exist.

    Raise your consciousness.

    • Alias Darker

      biracial is not black

  • CC

    I have lived in Europe, Asia and other countries. When I was there I was known as the American as long as we place stipulations on ourselves we will always be stereotyped. Most Black people in America are a rainbow of color, but we are still Americans. When White Americans start calling themselves White Americans then they can call me Black American until then I’m an American just like them.

  • LatterDayEsther

    Funny; Halle Berry is most white men’s dream. She is not very Black, mostly while, and certainly that child is not very Black. I don’t know why they have to have labels.

  • LatterDayEsther

    We should not be upset at these people for telling the truth. There are very few African-Americans in this Country. Most of us have never been to Africa and are not eager to go. Africans consider us half-breeds and, for the most part, they are right. We are also not Black. We range from tan to dark, dark brown – not black. Just like white people are rarely white. They are cream color to tan. Leave these people alone and let them be whoever they are. If things keep going the way they are, we will all by tan in a few generations.. There is beauty if diversity. If not, why did God make many different kinds and colors of flowers? Of course, we were all the same in the beginning and I figure we’ll all be the same in the end. Enjoy yourself – whatever color you happen to be. It has little to do with who you are – unless you let it define you.

  • Kiamolee

    I think this is the problem with Americ right here . You put way too much emphasis on race period. The U.S. is the most racist country in the world. There is so much wrong with all of this but I’ll just end where they did rashida Jones “passed” as white? That statement in itself is disturbing. It’s says there that her mother is white so therefore she just is who she is. Wow!

  • Hilda Orduno

    I can understand Shemar Moore’s situation, he has a white mother and a black father. He was raised white.

  • Maureen

    ok Im going to blow your minds on here. My mother is a Garifuna, if you dont know what that is look it up. Its a rare Black carib group found only in the Caribbean and Latin American countries. My dad is Hispanic Puerto rican/ Guatemalan. I consider myself an Afro latino, in America that is unheard of. It is speculated that in 100 years every American will have a mixture in there blood line, so i believe racial categories, labels, and racism will change.

  • Curious George

    Fascinating that I read and commented on this silly article mere hours before the #RachelDolezal story broke. Now, there’s a horse of a different color!

  • Duende Brooks

    of course we are not African American or African descended. We are the cooper color race that the Europeans found here.

    American – The aboriginals, or copper colored races found here by the Europeans. “1849, 1854, 1859, editions of Noah Webster’s Dictionary

  • thenextgenius

    Honestly, race is a social construct and another label we really don’t need– especially if it gets in the way of loving EVERYBODY. I prefer not to be boxed in by someone else’s perceived view of my ancestral heritage.

  • Curious George

    How very sad that Kidada Jones is ashamed of her white mother. If my child thought like that, I’d feel like a total failure as a parent. This whole article is ridiculous — with so many of us being of mixed race and/or mixed ethnicity, we should work on learning to accept ALL that we are, and ALL that other people are, too. I’m mixed race and multi-ethnic, as is my family. That’s how I see myself and how I refer to myself. If others are uncomfortable because I won’t ‘choose’ a single designation . . . well, that’s their problem and narrow-mindedness — not mine.

  • Poolu Luisu

    Just face it. They don’t want any association with being of African descent, because they still believe being anything else is better.

  • James Weigand

    Karrine Steffans’ opinion is entirely on point. Having been born and raised in Brooklyn I know islanders from so many islands and they all hold the same opinion. African-American culture testifies to the validity of the “islander” opinion. I went to high school in East Flatbush in the late 70’s and racial tension was at it’s height. So many of the black Americans (the term used then) hated the white kids,and hated the West Indians and they made their opinion felt everyday. So why should an islander as an African American when they are not even American. And yes, I know we are all Americans if we were born & raised in a culture/country in this hemisphere (North America, Central America, South America).
    Additionally, a person who is of mixed race had to report them self as black if they had at least 1 black grandparent (25%). Maybe a person who is black doesn’t want to abide by the stigmatized rules of US racial classification. Does anyone know who coined the term African-American? Was it made by a consensus of black peoples in the US or just a few people behind a bureaucratic desk? We have divisions made for every aspect of society so it is easier for those who are in power to stay in power (the same who have extraordinary wealth). Divide and conquer is how they play the game.

    • EazzzyE

      Still black/African American. Period.

      • James Weigand

        Your thinking is the root of the problem. Who told you you could determine someone else’s opinion of themself?

  • Masterpieced

    There was a point in American History where bi-racial people were thrown out and the only folk who took them in were the black slaves. How easily some folk forget….

  • Fair and Balanced

    I agree with Bill Cosby, we that were born here are not African American we are American. I understand the ancestry of why African American is used however, we face enough hurdles why provide anyone with another reason to deny us a piece of the American pie. Although many Caucasians place their heritage before America we as a people have been denied on many fronts and are still fighting a battle, we should not allow ourselves to buy into how they see us it is about how we see us. As far as super head is concerned I am glad she is an islander she learned her whoring ways no doubt from the island. In any case I agree with those who do not want to be labeled, we obviously cannot dodge it and we are considered Black but that should not on any level define us regardless of what others think. We should be more worried about other issues like crime defining us more than what color or heritage we have in us.

    • Masterpieced

      Do you think it is the LABEL that denies us? I think it is the same white mindset that enslaved us is the same mindset that denies us.

  • enoonmai

    If mother fuckers would stop mixing we wouldn’t have this problem, but people that want to mix race sometimes hate their own race, its all just fucked up to begin with. smdh

  • Sunnyf32

    Zoe Saldaña is actually Puerto Rican & Dominican…..she also has claimed her Black roots.

    • Masterpieced

      If black producers would stop putting her in so many movies, she will then scream about her black roots.

  • thepokes

    hell i would claim another color if i was black as well , i mean ,who wants to be black!

  • disqus_J9dFq2L33n

    people are the race they physicaly look like. that is how the world sees them and refers to them anyway. wentworths features were dominated by his white side also rashida jones but the rest of them have racial features that are seen in the people who are descended from Africa.It is not just skin color that makes you look distinguishable as an african. Different races have different features that distinguish them. Black people get mad because they want these people to say you have our blood your one of us. you cant have a reason to see us as ugly but they are half. if you are not mixed you have no idea what it is to grow up with parents who look diffrent and how that affects you. how you see the world and what and where you choose to fit in.

    • EazzzyE

      So be a coward? Ok.

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  • michele

    These people are delusional. There will come a day when they will eat their words.

  • Sammy Davis Jr.

    Superhead is super ignorant. Slaves worked in the Virgin Islands. St. Thomas, St. Croix and St. John!

    • Maureen

      that is true, except my people the Garifuna and the Kalinago!

  • Martine

    NONE of them are claiming not to be black. They are saying its not the most important distinction in their life. They are people first, and don’t feel like they want to be thought of as black people…just people. Thats right, not wrong.

    • Masterpieced

      That is wrong. In America it is ALL about race.

  • Guest

    Halle reproduces with TRAILER TRASH FROM CANADA. WOW! She should take an L FOR THIS ONE.

  • Rob Hunt

    if you don’t want to be black then don’t be black ….

  • Publius

    Actually, race follows the father. It was white supemecists/segregationist who came up with the “one drop rule” or using physical features and skin tone to determine race. It’s unfortunate that the majority of us buy into their argument instead of challenging it.

    • Masterpieced

      I buy into it. During slavery, the one drop rule made blacks take the bi-racial mutts in while the whites threw them out.

  • Cherise Joy Thomas

    I love how people who are NOT biracial have so much to say about what we should or should not call ourselves. I am a human being first and foremost. I would never identify as solely black, white or native american because I am mixture of ALL and owe homage to ALL that I am. When ignorant people ask me what I am… my reply is HUMAN. You can guess the rest if you like. SMH

    • Masterpieced

      Barack is bi-racial but still folk call him the N word. Guess what you are called by white folks?

      • EazzzyE

        Exactly. All that laundry-list BS doesn’t mean anything. These mutts try so hard, but when will they understand that they will always fall short? You might be the only person in this comments section with some sense.

  • oldfatmotherfucker

    Some of these are ridiculous. People that are biracial have the right to identify as biracial and not just black. They shouldn’t have to discount their white side. Obviously they shouldn’t be insulting toward their white side either, but I see it far too often where black people get mad at a mixed race person for identifying as something other than black. If Tiger wants to say that he is asian, black, whatever else, let him. That is what he is. He is not just black.

    And what Karrine said is absolutely right. There are differences between African Americans and black people from other countries. Different struggles and different backgrounds.

    There is no help for Raven Symone.

    • EazzzyE

      Most of those people identified as “not black” not biracial. Are you really going to try to tell the lie that mixed people won’t mention EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN but black? Have several seats. And you and superhead are wrong; Caribbeans are still African American because those islands exist in America. Also, our struggles were not that different. Have the rest of these seats.

      • oldfatmotherfucker

        Your ignorance is astounding! But I’m not going to sit on the internet and argue over a 2 month old comment. I hope insulting me made you feel better. Have a nice day.

  • Rob1977

    All of this sh*t comes from White colonialism, White people invented these labels to keep us separated so that they could stay in power … All of you Dark-Skinned and Light-Skinned N*GGAS are from everywhere because slavery was everywhere … But we all are from Mother AFRICA ,,, GET IT RIGHT ..

  • Sue Elle

    I understand Gabriel Aubry. He’s daughter isn’t black, she’s more European than Sub-Saharan African. If she has kids with a white man, than her children would be 12% African or less. Gabriel Aubry’s daughter is biracial/mixed and should be referred to as such.

  • Tami Menzed

    Kidada is jealous of rashida, I don’t blame her for pretending with so many hate and racism

    • EazzzyE

      Instead of “jealous” I think you mean “disgusted by.”

  • Stephanie

    i am so SICK of people describing one another as a color. we’re not a color, we’re complex human beings that can’t be put in a box. i’m “white” but that’s bu11shit. i have 10 different nationalities in me. i simply call myself an american. and just because someone who’s african american or multi-racial refuses to be put into a box, doesn’t mean they’re ashamed of their heritage or trying to deny it. case in point, nahla aubrey is half canadian, a quarter english and a quarter african american. gabriel aubrey isn’t ashamed that nahla has african american blood in her. hell, he had a baby with a bi-racial woman. he’s not trying to keep it a secret. i’m sure he’s proud of it. he simply refuses to have his daughter put in a box. besides, the first humans lived in africa and all 6 billion of us are descendants of those people, so if you really want to put people in boxes, get one big one because we’re ALL going to be in it.

    • Masterpieced

      Every gender has a little bit of the other gender in them BUT they call themselves fully male or female. So, a little bit of white blood STILL makes you black.

  • Alexander Lomba

    Wentworth Miller’s father does not look black, so how is he biracial? He’s probably 1/16th black.

  • luvly27

    hmmmm….why is it people feel the need to…you know what nevermind. GOD DON’T MAKE MISTAKES LOVE AND BE PROUD OF WHO YOU ARE! BYE!

  • Karma

    There is nothing wrong with people claiming their heritage and mixed peoples are very angry being forced to disregard their heritage by people that do not know theirs, but we have kept quiet for too long!!! My ancestors came from India, Africa, Scotland, Ireland (btw European isn’t in my blood because of rape and I know many so called African Americans would beg to differ)…am I to just disregard them, even though my heritage makes me who I am? We do not have the one drop rule in the Caribbean, and nobody made America world government. I am angry that despite being raised by his white mother alone, your president has so many bad to say about whites when his father was hardly in the picture…what gives? The same blacks that say you are first black president will say you were not when true black comes along, this has happened to other people in leadership roles like Obama. None of the people in the article above claimed not to have black blood, they only claimed their heritage. Many of these so called African Americans are products of rape, or they do not know their heritage which gives them a less sense of an identity so they claim only Africa and expect others that know their heritage to do the same…well I cannot do that!!! I know my family history, therefore I have an identity!!! Sorry for the folks that don’t know anything about their past, but I am not the same as you, because I know mine, and it’s a good and strong heritage/history!!! And yes, I have chosen an Indian straight from India as my husband because I am entitled to choose whichever person I choose to marry, since I have Indian blood flowing in my veins, and their were no suitable husbands here since I did not wish to be a baby momma!!! African Americans think thats okay, but I do not!!! There is something very wrong raising children where the fathers often abandon them!!! My grandparents were very married and older Jamaicans tried to raise kids in a two parent home, but now it seems we are going the African American route!!! Who wants to identify with African Americans?! NO THANK YOU!!! Africans don’t even want to be identified with you (winding up and rolling your necks…that’s ghetto culture, not African), lol!!! As African Americans would say…GET REAL!!!

  • TheSouthernNationalist

    I salute those black men and women that don’t add a hyphenated word to American, that’s what we all are that are born here, Americans!

  • erica creper

    so rishida is wrong for passing as white but there was nothing wrong with kidada not wanting her white mother to pic her up??? this whole site is damagin for black people who want to grow as human beings. like i said before maybe its sites like this that make these half black people not want to admit their black side.

  • erica creper

    maybe these people dont just identify themselves as black because of the way they are treated by other black people. this site is a big example of that. this is like the fifth list that something to with race, “Black people we are disappointed in because they do things differently from black people”, “people we thought were black but arent 🙁 ” and this article “somebody done told you wrong”.
    Rashida is a great person and she loves all her family, at 17 she wrote to the source magazine defending her father and family against Tupac who recently said something about black men dating white chicks (which tupac apologized for after) but letter lead to her doing an interview with pac for her college and pac even became friends with the family and was engaged to Rashidas sister who was also mixed race. Whats wrong with someone not wanting to only adress one side of them, or not labeling themselves at all. I grew up in a irish town in america always called myself irish, but now i realize I am just an american just like most people here. My heritage does come mostly from Ireland and i wont dismiss that, but bottom line i was born here, so i consider myself american.
    This site is horrible and damaging for black people or anyone to read, then again most of the internet is. but seriously some of you authors need to get over yourselves and realize its 2015 anyone can be what they want do what they want an date who they want as long as its legal.

    • Mike Donovan

      yes its sad isnt it. So many ducks and non individuals in the race. Ancestors fought but they dont respect individual thought. its pathetic

    • Masterpieced

      Want to talk about treatment? White folk DO NOT see bi-racial folk as white AT ALL.

  • glenn

    The People are Crazy if you weren’t famous you would considerer yourself black like the rest of us money can chaange what you are. So when the next casting call for African American or Black actor don’t go you wouldn’t want to be mistaking for Black. Willie Lynch really did a job on us.

  • JC

    Why are they always running to black people when they are discriminated against looking for our support. Many of these people are nothing but users. They are black when it is convenient for them. Many would not get the exposure they get if it were not for black people. If they don’t want to be called black then stop supporting them. Many black people are mixed with some other race so they are not the first, but who cares, the black race will continue to move on without them. Hell won’t care what color you are so they better get off their high horse and seek and serve the Almighty God!

  • kudos7777 .

    RASHIDA JONES can pass off as white whats wrong with that!

  • Robert Campbell

    pffft, they dont want to be known as “black”

    there is an easy solution to that

    become known as a Republican/Conservative

    the media will never again mention your race (except some black owned outlets calling you a house n****r) since blacks are “owned” by the Dems it is impossible for a black person to be a Repub

  • Dixie

    Here’s the thing: I noticed that some of the celebrities weren’t saying that they were not ‘black’. Saldana said there are no such things as people of color. Which means that labeling someone as colored or white is kind of stupid. There are only cultures, so I feel like she may have been focusing on that. The actress who said she’s an islander isn’t saying she’s not black, I think she’s saying she’s not African American because that is not her culture and she may have not been born in the US and she never had that African American ‘experience’ (according to her at least). I think Cosby was being sarcastic (well of course he was. Because I know he has no issues being black). I also got some of the other celebrities’ reasons. The others who actually did not believe they were black were kinda confusing (Keshia Cole) and I really wanted to understand them but I couldn’t help but wonder what would they say if someone told them they looked more white than black. Would they say, “Oh! Thanks!” Or would they quickly correct the person like they would if they were mistaken for black?

  • Kiara

    Shemar Moore didn’t say that he is not black he said he does not consider himself a black actor like many black actors in Hollywood feel, he said that he is proud to be black but he is just as white as he is black.

    • Masterpieced

      Whites do not see him as white.

  • Jane

    Keyshia Cole may not be black, but she is indeed ghetto.

  • SKEEWEE

    You would NEEEEVVER catch white ppl saying, “Oh, I’m not white, I’m COLORLESS.”…SMH

  • Meggie

    Why does race matter? We are all humans, descended from a common ancestor. It’s character that matters. It’s how we treat others that matters. It’s the kindness in our hearts that matters. It’s our contributions to make our societies better that matters. FYI, my lineage is Scots-Irish, Norman French, Cherokee and Creek Indian and none of that really matters at all.

  • Cucamonga

    What I notice, is that black websites like Madame Noire, are filled with racists with anti black racist opinions. Not just the skinheads, but also the mixed breed and sell out type blacks and even arrogant members of other races criticizing. Why are you all even here? Wrong website.

  • Dirtybubblez

    Karrine’s point was legit, tho and I can actually accept what she said as a fact, because there really is a “black state of mind” and being Black in America, that comes with a long history, an experience, and that all creates a mind set of it’s on that international blacks would not truly understand. Growing up black in America is a whole experience of it’s own.

  • Dirtybubblez

    I think the Aunt Viv one was probably the most messed up one. Especially after reading the story behind it. If it is true that “Carlton” said what he had said as well as Will, I think that someone needs to initiate a reconciliation, given that someone’s job was lost after this.

  • Cultsphere83

    My mother is biracial blk/whte,, she often gets mistaken for being hispanic .. my father is creole , my grandmother practically passed for white…. I’ve always identified as black … Never African American… there’s too much cultural pride in my family to deny their roots as pointe coupee’

  • WiltonMiltonIII

    The fact that this article even exists is pretty sad.

  • Renata Barnes

    Oh Madame Noire….Wentworth Miller went to Princeton. Everybody knows that…except you. Can some one PLEASE do some research?

  • Cornelius Croid

    dont forget da one-drop rule. if y’all has one-drop of black blood in ya den y’all bees black. you can call yoseff anythang dat yo wanna but yo steel bees black in YT eyes…

  • DRATON

    Maybe whites can stop blaming the so-called black community when things don’t go tight for these non-black stars, as you can see they don’t consider themselves as part of our community and as I have said before they are minstrels… look it up.

  • Gabriel Aubry is so disgusting to me. If he despises natural tans so much, why did he date Halle Berry in the first place? Halle’s had to take him to court for attempting to (or successfully) having their daughter’s hair lightened and straightened. Not cool.

    • Masterpieced

      Halle should have done her homework.

      • I can’t argue with that, lol. Although it does seem some people are perhaps what I am now referring to as, “dormant racists.” It seems a lot of people never show racist or prejudice tendencies until they are in certain situations. The recent racial climate in America has activated a lot of these sleeper cells. Think about it a bit. It’s an odd phenomenon.

  • YOLANDA

    I LOVE CRIMINAL MINDS BUT I’M SO DONE WATCHN IT NOW SINCE SHAMAR MOORE SAYN THIS

    • Masterpieced

      I was rather saddened, too.

  • YOLANDA

    I’M SOOOOOOOO UNMPRESS WITH THESE PEOPLE HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THEM ANYMORE I WILL NOT SUPPORT THEM IN ANYWAY FORM OR FASHION ANYMORE I WILL NOT WATCH NOTHING THAT THEY ARE IN OR THIER MUSIC NOTHING !!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • YOLANDA

    IT MAKES ME SOOOOOO SICK TO MY STOMACH TO SEE WHO SAY SUCH FOOLERY AND TO KEISHA COLE BLACKS SUPPORT YOU AND THEY ARE YOUR BIGGEST FANS WOW !!!!!!!!!!

  • YOLANDA

    WHY IS THE QUESTION DON’T THEY WANT TO ACKNOWLEGE YHIER HERITAGE OF HAVING BLACK IN THIER BLOOD

  • Yolanda

    IT MAKES ME SOOOOOOOOOOO MAD AND IT DISCUSS ME THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE BLACK OR HAVE BLACK IN THEM IS DISCUSSTING AND APPAULING THAT THEY DON’T WANT TO ACKNOWLEGE THIER HERITAGE MAKES ME SICK IF YOU ARE BLACK OR HAVE BLACK IN YOU YOU ARE BLACK AND RAVEN SIMMONE WOW !!!!!!!!! HER GRANDMOTHER IS FROM ST.MARTINVILLE LOUISIANA AND SHE SAY’S THAT WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND SHE SAID SHE WASN’T GAY AND SHE IS OKKKKKK

  • Sean

    Racism will never end until we start looking at people as just that a person I too consider myself American I am not A white person I have Irish Cherokee and German in me so I have no Idea what I am and I try not too look at someone and say he is black or Asian or whatever. I like too think we are all Americans after all it is the big melting pot.

    • Masterpieced

      rainbows, unicorns and such. Do you see gender or are all people unisex. There is NOTHING wrong with seeing color. It is how you treat the person that is the problem.

  • Tori Vee Jena

    i completely understand some of these celebs, as a pure African, black american people embarrass me, they make their oppressive past an excuse to behave like un-cultured, disrespectful nd just naked all the time…….. Black people from all over the world besides america, have morals, respect their parents, go to school(if they can afford) we r not like what they show on American Tv. Africans have also been oppressed but we try, we strive to keep our culture and respect our selves and our bodies.

    • Masterpieced

      You would not even be in America except for those EMBARRASSING African-Americans fighting for Civil Rights.

  • ConcernCitizen68

    What a FOOL

  • janina

    “Somebody done told you wrong” is the title of this article. That’s colloquial speak and not proper english, and the writer should be ashamed of herself for stigmatizing the black community in such a marginalized manner.
    All that was mentioned (repeatedly) in this article is that a particular celebrity doesn’t want to be known simply for their “blackness.” Not that they are ashamed of being black, but simply that it doesn’t define their professional contributions or personality.

  • 23rdoc

    I don’t get it. If someone is a mixture of black, white, asian, hispanic, arab, or any other ethnic group, why does he or she have to claim black? If they feel more comfortable claiming Mexican or Chinese, what is so wrong with that? If someone feels that they have transcended being on race but a unique combination of two or three, what is wrong with that? Why is Ms. Butler insinuating that the person is a sellout or that black identity has dibs? I’ll tell you what I do not feel that anyone owns my identity but myself and I should not be pressured to choose what someone else wants me to be. How dare you Ms. Butler, you don’t own me and neither does any one else so just screw you.

  • As they say Looks can be and are deceiving. Rather than assume, ask the person what nationality they are? Otherwise, it shouldn’t matter to you or anyone else. You know what nationality you are, and that is all that matters.

  • Amanda Addams

    They are So correct, they are NOT “African” Americans, they are NEGROS!!!! They can try to use any “label” they like, BUT, the old rule,”One drop of Negro blood and you ARE black, will ALWAYS apply!!!! Mr. Miller is cute, but if MY daughter brought him home for dinner,I would kick her butt all over the place.

  • Riot50000

    try are actually AfroEurAsians. My blood type is “A” which is from Spain, Italy and Greece

    LOL
    ANY AMERICAN who does not know what he or she is, should call themselves, CONFUSED and ALL MIXED UP.
    DUMMIES.
    Have you asked Africans if they really want to be identified with you?
    One thing you will NEVER have, self DIGNITY.
    Viva mother Africa.

  • Susie Butler

    My name is Susie and I always get these so call white people asking me if that is my name, because that is a white persons name. That name just so happen to come from the Susu Tribe of Guinea West Africa. I don’t consider myself African American because the majority of the so called “black” people in this country are actually AfroEurAsians. My blood type is “A” which is from Spain, Italy and Greece. I have a blood disease which is only from Spain, Italy and Greece. We built Europe, and that’s why we were brought here to build this county. If you don’t include the Europe or asian part of your heritage, they will tell you that you don’t have any history. Include all the heritage that you have. The name African-America only started in the 1990s, but Africans don’t want you to have that name, because the only thing African on us is our hair. In Africa, we are considered ‘WHITE’. My heritage is Norwegian, Spanish (Moorish), Native American and then African. We should be protesting about being labeled African American just like the Latinas are protesting being grouped with all Spanish-speaking people. The Nigerians told me that I was Chinese from Emo State and sure enough I have slanted eyes and soft hair and guess what? All my good friends are asians. Although they have twisted us around to keep you confused, we still know to go back to Spain. My African friends told me that when the slave owners came to West Africa, they came for a specific group of people, the people who built Europe and was ran out when the Germans came over the mountains. All the makeup, perfume, horse breeding and culture comes from us. They didn’t even take a bath but once a year until we showed them how. Go and look up your history! You probably do things or have things in your house, and you don’t know why you like those things, because it’s inside you. Another thing, identity theft has been going on for thousands of years. Our heritage was stolen from us when they ran us out of Europe. I know black people who’s names are Goldsmith, Silver, Penny, Diamond! Nuff said!

  • bmm194

    Do peopkle really believe all black people across the globe are African American. That doesn’t even make sense. That’s like saying all Asian people are Chinese. There are races and there are ethnicities. Black is a race, a descripter we use to describe people based on features. African American is an ethnicity/nationality. It’s a specific type of Black. You can’t tell me African Americans. Jamaicans, British, Trinidians, French, etc people all have the same history, culture, mindset etc and are all the same. Smh.

    • Masterpieced

      “No matter where you come from, as long as you’re a black man (or woman), you’re an African”. Reggae lyrics

  • heagoodboy

    I downt wawna be black anymow mawma. Cans I cawls myself white now?

  • Josie

    I’m not surprised by any of these. The biracial identification has been around for the past 25 years. Afro Caribeans and Afro Hispanics have been denying affliation forever. Nothing new under the sun. Also, many white relatives particularly from Europe don’t see their biracial relatives as black. Mixed race at the most. If the child is less that half they even go as far as considering them white.

    Having said this,it is not for me to say how someone identifies. Even if I don’t necessarily agree. Live and let live.

  • MzMabley

    GTFOHWTBS! When the cops pull over any of these “non-black” people and they say “n*gg* get out the car” they expect all of you to get out and take the position. Whether you call yourself black or not…that’s how the world sees and treats you.

  • judahlion1892

    African gene is the dominant gene, all other genes are recessive, I guess those people want to recede into nothingness like the white man soon will in a couple of hundred years. That’s why they are killing us off from before slavery (the Arabs) and after (the European) but that is impossible because we dominate. We are the saviors of Humanity.

  • Sandra Heraver

    Does it really matter how one perceives himself or herself? We have the right to believe what we want about ourselves. I see myself as 16 or 20 something……..but then again, …….i’m in denial.

  • Karen

    U are getting all that child support from her black mother MF make me sick I don’t hear him complaining about that low life lazy dog living off of black ppl

    • Pickaname

      ROTHLMAO

  • Valerie Kelley

    Doesn’t the hair line kinda give Wentworth Miller away, though?

  • W Man

    Gabriel Aubrey is 75% white?

  • therealguyfaux

    Here’s a tip: If a person has a parent from Africa and is an American, like a particular gentleman we all know, he is undoubtedly an African-American. Past that, it becomes a matter of what somebody wants to call themselves. But whatever you do, don’t be like that white fool on TV who called Nelson Mandela “African-American” because “black” is too “rough” a word to use amongst polite company.

  • David

    I think Shemar Moore is totally right, people who are half white are just as white as they are black, but to be considered white you need to look totally white where as to be black you can be mixed, he could just as rightfully call himself white as black in my books

    • Masterpieced

      He looks black.

  • Raj

    Always hated and refuse to use the term African American. It excludes other folks of color. I am My parents are from India. I look black. If any one ask me what I am I say black then Asian.

  • EV1

    Sorry meant to say Wentworth Miller. Don’t know where the “Kent” came from. LOL

  • EV1

    If most bi-racial individuals identify themselves as being black because the color of their skin tends to be more darker, why can’t Kent Wellworth identify himself as being white, he does look more white to me, fair skin, light eyes. Halle Berry is fair skin and she is biracial, mother being white, but identifies herself as being black, doesn’t say bi-racial.

  • EV1

    Well regarding Halle Berry and Gabrial Aubry’s daughter, Nahla, if you take the percentages of DNA from both parents, Nahla would be more Caucasian. considering that Gabriel is 100% Caucasian and Halle Berry is half Caucasian.

    • Masterpieced

      1 drop rule. She would have been on the bad side of the plantation with the rest of us.

  • EV1

    Regarding Zoe Saldana, she is not African-American, she is of Dominican Heritage, born to Dominican Parents, She herself was born in the USA then later raised from age nine until adult-hood in the Dominican Republic. It should not be implied that just because you are dark skin that you are immediately “black” or African-American, whichever one it is people now a days decide to label themselves. Why do people continue to label themselves if they precisely fought against that? One thing is to define your ethnicity, another is to label a person by the color of their skin, be that black/white. So a person who is of medium toned, or fair toned but not dark, should be called brown or beige?

    • Masterpieced

      I agree. BUT Zoe sure does not turn down black roles in movies….

  • Billie Mudry Spaight

    1 drop? What’s 2%? Gee I wonder. Given that every human being on this earth has deep ancestry that started in Africa, we all carry a bit of African in us. We should be proud to be citizens of the world.

  • Billie Mudry Spaight

    I’m approximately 2% West African and sub-Saharan African. But I’m more Neanderthal. And maybe more Ashkenazi Jewish. So if you want to call me Black I’m OK with that. I’d laugh though because I am extremely pale.

  • anamia

    Why should someone that is biracial only have to identify as black? By making them identify as black and sort of pressuring them into that identity, you’re making them completely reject their non black side? But lets say if a biracial person identifies as a biracial individual they’re automatically not claiming or rejecting their black side? Thats simply seeding into the one drop rule. By identifying as biracial, one is not denying EITHER side. Biracial identity celebrates both halves of their DNA. I’m biracial. And just because I say I’m not fully black, that doesn’t mean I deny it or I’m ashamed of it. I’m just showing my equal pride of my other half as well and the black community shouldn’t pressure me into denying my other half. So it’s okay to deny my white side, but when I’m not fully black i’m suddenly a self hating uncle tom? I say this as a Dominican person who for the most part is light to the point of almost white and I know that Latina is not a race so I identify as biracial. OH and “Black celebrities who say they’re not African American”??? REALLY MADAMENOIR?? Not all black people are african american. Theres black mexicans, black brazilians, dominicans, puerto ricans, straight up africans, black australians, black english people, ETC. Zoe Saldana doesn’t belong on this list because she’s constantly speaking on her afro’latina descendency and she isnt even african american

    • Masterpieced

      Why does a man consider himself a full man when all genders have a bit of the other gender in them? Because it is what we SEE!

  • Kelly

    Wentworth Miller went to Princeton not Harvard. He was 3 years ahead of me and no I had no idea he was half black.

  • Deverons Mamma-Vega

    This is the dumbest thing ever…first Wentworth Miller is not half black and if you read his actual words what he said was (paraphrasing) that he is proud of all of his cultural identity but felt that calling himself a “black man” when he would never have a “black man’s ” struggle or issues was ridiculous and disrespectful. He was also so busy trying to come to terms with his homosexuality that his racial identity which he and his family are just fine with was a non issue. You cannot force someone to self identify the way you want them to just because you think thats what they are. I’m not from America I wasnt born here and neither were my parents. I was born in Cuba…my mom is Jamaican and Arabic and we lived in Cuba with my dad who is Cuban. I was never Afro-Cuban and I was never “Black” I was just Cuban. Afro-Cuban is food and music not a person. I didnt get that until I was here and Black Americans tried to MAKE me what they said I was and so did White people. Well I was not happy or comfortable with that and I should not have been. I had to find my own place and my own identity and no body else could MAKE me anything. I am absolutely fine allowing other people to identify me as Black here and now. I know who I am and I dont’ feel the need to define myself for other people. Additionally I am full a part of the American Diaspora and EMBRACE the beautiful Black American Culture….but that doesnt change me as a person culturally or even ethnically. This article is just as racist as one from the “white Media” and so divisive. I know LOTS of people who are SICK TO DEATH of being hyphenated Americans.

    • Natashafx

      Right on! I really don’t know why people care what others call themselves. Also, I, too, am sick and tired of being a “hyphenated” American. When I travel overseas for work I’m just American. No one ever asked me, “Well, what kind of American are you?” That has never happened in the 10 years I have been traveling overseas. Only in America is where people try to force you to identify yourself down to the bone. Ridiculous.

      • Masterpieced

        Honey they SEE you as Black American overseas. Why the hell would you need to state the obvious…

        • Natashafx

          Um. No they don’t. I’ve been on more than 70 international trips and NO it is not always obvious depending on the country. This has been my experience as a seasoned global traveler. Some don’t even know if I’m American, Canadian, from the Caribbean or European and they don’t do the 1 drop rule overseas. The French don’t see me as only black. It’s just different overseas than it is in America.

          • Masterpieced

            I, too am a global seasoned traveler. Standing in the customs line, folk look at the color of each other’s passports. Most are maroon, green or navy blue. When they see that yours in navy blue and is from USA, they KNOW you are a black American–no need to ask. Just as the white person with a non navy blue passport is not a WHITE American.

            • Natashafx

              I’m not talking about customs, I’m talking about average people on the streets in these countries. At any rate my experiences may be different from yours. No need for a debate. It’s not that deep.

    • Masterpieced

      I know lots of people who are NOT sick of being hyphenated Americans. WE ALL are except Natives.

  • ANA

    I am Black and our ancestry did not start with slavery. I think some of us need to go back read our history from notable Black scholars. I am not racist but i would not want to claim a group of people that took other groups of people and enslaved them, killed whole tribes of people, and to this day continue to destroy the planet. Why would I want to associate myself with that barbaric culture and Europeans came behind African civilization they everything from Ancient Africa. I am speechless from the amount of ignorance on this page. It’s 2015 and Black people still have not figured out the truth about our history let alone bothered to do the research. I beg you to read something other than the BS they feed you. Amazing!

  • ANA

    KArrine Stefans statement is ignorant. There were slaves brought from Africa to the islands to be slaves. I do not understand how these people can say they are not black but it was black people in America that help them become rich and famous. WTH! They profit from Black culture then don’t want to claim it. Very interesting.

  • Casann

    All I can say is WOW!
    The only people who made sense are Shemar Moore and Tigerwoods! You are not black if both of your parents aren’t black!!!! That’s like saying if a tiger and a elephant created a baby it would be automatically named a tiger- (far fetched I know but great example).
    If your mixed race/bi-racial or a full race ain’t nothing wrong!! Be happy and beautiful in the skin you were set in…
    Now if you really have a problem with your skin and wish not to be labeled go live on a lonely island or better take it to your maker!!!!
    All shades are beauiful.xx

  • hanalei

    Rashida Jones is the daughter of Quincy Jones and Peggy Lipton (mod squad). She was a talented young actress in the 70’s and everyone knows Quincy. They were married for 16 yrs.

    • Masterpieced

      Quincy Jones was SUCH a MF. Original man with jungle fever.

  • Thadeus Muholland

    What the hell is a black state of mind Karrine Steffans?

  • Thadeus Muholland

    I am really not understanding Zoe’s take on being offended when asked about her ethnicity. We all have a race and that race doesn’t define who we are as a person but it does give you an origin. I am black, African American take your pick but that does not mean that I act a certain way or speak a certain way because I am. Just my two cents.

    • La Keesha Vega

      You would need to read the entire article to see she is not offended by the question so much as the reasons behind the question. They want to take her ethnicity apart so they can re-label her things that make them feel safe with her identitiy. They want her to be only Latina when it suits or part White and Latina when it suits and she gets it from the Black community too..”Why did SHE get that part…shes not even really black…” “They couldnt get someone who is REALLY black to play the part” People who are mixed race or not American who “look” black are identified as Black her PERIOD…until it suits someone else to say they arent for whatever reason. The American Black experience is very very specific to Blacks in America and if you are not Black from America or not ONLY Black from America it doesnt feel like YOUR identity especially if you’re from somewhere that doesnt hyphenate you with a color like we do here.

      • Masterpieced

        Oh cry me a river, Zoe.

  • Alissa

    It seems to me the people who have a problem are racists whites and racists blacks. If your bi racial then….It is what it is…

    • Masterpieced

      They are CONFUSED!

  • jackie

    I live in florida and I am black and native American , my husband is white. I was told that because my husband is white I had to list my children as white. I said no I don’t think so. I was told that whatever the dads nationality is decides what the child will be listed as. I said no . so some states still try to use that when deciding what race a child is

  • BassFreak

    Isn’t it kind of racist for blacks to demand that a bi-racial woman identify herself as black when she herself correctly indentifies herself as biracial? She also has the right to indent herself as white if she wants to, and of course also as black. But it’s HER choice in this case.

    • Masterpieced

      Until she NEEDS NAACP or us to fight for her. There are NO half-breed foot soldiers taking on the media.

  • Scott Francis

    Why can’t people identify as bi-racial or multiracial if that is what they are? Just because they appear as one thing doesn’t mean that is what they are. I met a guy in my campus gym and he easily looks Latino but I found out he is Greek. So I don’t judge or complain. I am also a multiracial person as well.

    • Masterpieced

      You are probably deeply confused. Sorry.

  • Elizabeth Jackson

    These women sound stupid as hell!!! I don’t care what island or country you come from, if you’re black, you’re just black!!!! Be proud of who you are, there’s not a thing in this world wrong with being black!!!

  • lee

    Just because Rashida Jones passed for white doesn’t mean she identifies as white. It just means other people couldn’t see African ancestry in her features because of their ignorance; this has actually caused her a lot of pain. If you do any research on her at all you’ll see she has always identified as black. This article is BS.

  • sweetiepie

    are egyptian african americans? lybians? whites in so africa? yes, but to me the issue is more clearly this is a new generation and what raven said was so true. i am an american. i dont like seeing these group, their heritage then they put american. a person is american of such and such descent. i understand the issues black people had, but we have to change with what the younger generation sees, its their future. and this girl you gonna be blowing up twitter, sorry ophra your part of the group they want to evolve from same with the somebody “done” told you wrong. really? done told you. DIone? pahleese. we are tired of labels and want to be our own people. and not seeking the approval of others but just being the best person that one can be. that’s it, thats my rant.

    • Masterpieced

      You want to be your own people until you need the support of a people who fought for civil rights…black Americans.

  • Cynthia

    I agree with Bill as I had neighbors across the street from me who were African American and they were whiter than white …Blue Eyes, White milky skin and Natural blonde hair and were from African who became American which then = African American.

    • Masterpieced

      You agree with Bill? wow.

  • guest2

    You know who’s REALLY an African American versus all these b-s actresses who were born in the United States of America and are actually AMERICAN??? Charlize Theron. There you go my sisters. Chew on that.

  • kay j

    what people don’t seem to realize is ALL african americans, with a history of ameican slavery, are multiracial. massa made sure of that when he and his sons raped our mothers. whoopi goldberg didn’t just pick her stage name out of a hat; goldberg is a part of her family tree. the intrigue now is in who among us still holds a great bloodline connection to africa. emmitt smith stiill carries 85% of his african lineage in his bloodline. very few of us can say that. keysha cole, zoe saldana, prince, jennifer beals, raven symone, will all have an easier go of it as race is becoming less divisive among our youth. probably shouldn’t include prince or ms beals in that lineup because they are much older, but the younger ones wont have to feel that being black is such a stigma.

    • Masterpieced

      Race will NEVER become less divisive. Also, why would we want to erase our race?

  • C S

    if these women that believe that would let their hair grow naturally and accept other natural things like that about themselves then they might better see what they really are and probably also get to know their own families.

    • C S

      Reading some more, I guess i’ll run away from a zoe saldana movie.

  • Evelina

    This chick is STUPID, Black slaves were being passed around many areas of the Globe including the carribbean which has been documented.

  • Chris

    Some of these “quotes” are just being taken out of context.

  • SevDevi

    I can understand why people are inclined to refer to them as “black”….after all, for some of them, it’s the most prominent ethnic background at a quick glance. However, I can also understand why some are inclined not to want to be classified. Race, essentially, is a label. Labels almost always come with extra baggage. People classify based on labels, and expect others to act accordingly…and if you don’t, you’re blamed for it. By saying, “Well, in AMERICA, you are considered…” it’s like saying, “I don’t care who you are or what your particular experiences are (whether as a mixed person or someone from another country), you are what I see you as.” Labels and the stereotypes that come with are an oversimplification of one’s human experience, which is, for every one of us, overwhelmingly complex in the first place. We slowly strip away someone’s individuality when we make distinctions based on race, gender, culture…etc. Ultimately, it should be noted that we are all complex human beings first, and we’d be achieving far more solidarity by the various shades of our character than the shades of our skin. 🙂

    • Masterpieced

      That is an excuse. What about gender? Should we not talk about that either?

  • Kwame Whittaker

    Cosby that is….

  • Kwame Whittaker

    Funny he said that they are all in jail, that’s where he should be. See where his self hatred got him…hated by women.

    • Masterpieced

      Yes. I used to support him. No more.

  • PRO-JECT_PAT

    All y’all wanna sit up and be the BLACK INTELLIGENTSIA and PONTIFICATE but at the end of the day RACISM and BIGOTRY exists because of TRIBALISM. All people are tribalistic even within the same TRIBE. ALL PEOPLE. Northern Italians VS Southern Italians. Chicago South Side Irish VS North Side Irish. Mexicans VS Puerto Ricans. Dark Skinned Blacks VS Light Skinned Blacks. TRIBALISM. ALL PEOPLE HAVE THESE INSTINCTS. The problem is when TRIBALISM turns into a visceral and vicious SYSTEM to destroy others ECONOMICALLY — that is RACISM.

  • Forgotten Bias

    Interesting. In S. Africa Biracial people (white and black) are considered “colored” not black. Here in the U.S. biracial people are considered black but never white. The reality is that scientifically and genetically such people are both. As result of societies influence we define race by what other people who are in power within our local environment claim.

    • Masterpieced

      With that whites NEVER take in the bi-racial folk. Blacks do and you see where that gets us—not wanted by those very same bi-racials that we have embraced since slavery.

  • Rhino Black

    I think one cole’s mother tricks was white…

  • Wasabi

    Oh, the good old “one drop rule”! The equal opportunity bigot ideology that just won’t die. People who get bent out of shape about comments like this are either racist or self-hating. Multi-racial people are NOT obligated to choose one race to identify with. If it makes you uncomfortable that their not picking “your side” then that says more about you and your issues than it does about them. Race is not rigid, it’s fluid. Get over it. It’s their indentity, not yours.

  • Foxxe

    Im sorry I can’t stop laughing bc if any of them were asked to portray a black person in a movie or a play $$$$$ they would be BLACK in a heart beat, every last one of those comments I read I saw: HEY YAL IM REALLY CONFUSED……….lol. Im gonna tell ya like this, in the infamous words of the Mr James Brown the Godfather of Soul: say it loud, Im Black and Im Proud!

  • Foxxe

    Im sorry I can’t stop laughing bc if any of them were asked to portray a black person in a movie or a play $$$$$ they would be BLACK in a heart beat, every last one of those comments I read I saw: HEY YAL IM REALLY CONFUSED……….lol. Im gonna tell ya like this, in the infamous words of the Mr James Brown the Godfather of Soul: say it loud, Im Black and Im Proud!

  • Foxxe

    Im sorry I can’t stop laughing bc if any of them were asked to portray a black person in a movie or a play $$$$$ they would be BLACK in a heart beat, every last one of those comments I read I saw: HEY YAL IM REALLY CONFUSED……….lol. Im gonna tell ya like this, in the infamous words of the Mr James Brown the Godfather of Soul: say it loud, Im Black and Im Proud!

  • guido brown

    Boy they aren’t proud of their heritage, So Obama is asian?

  • Natalie Coriano

    Aubrey is mostly white, she looks white and her mom is both black and white and her dad is white. shes white

  • viktor

    Jesus H Christ this writer is so obsessed identity politics. People like her have turned any/all public discourse pertaining to racial issues into a politically correct minefield, not only for whites but for mixed race and even black folks. It’s like a witch hunt; you’d think that the one drop rule has now become compulsory thought or something… some of these “cases” against the presumed guilty are paper-thin and have exceedingly pedantic rationales.

    • Masterpieced

      It was compulsory in America. Fault your founding fathers.

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  • Khalid Ross

    Karrine Steffans attitude towards the pre & post-slavery experience is very disturbing because the African people of the islands were treated just as cruelly during slavery, if not worse. In fact, they were the first used as slaves along with the Africans of South & Central America by the Spanish & Portuguese. That model became the template for the American slaves.

  • lllllllllllllll

    Tiger woods looks 100% BLACK! LOL But, he’s 1/2 Black & 1/2 Korean.

  • lllllllllllllll

    If you’re bi-racial, then that’s what you are: Half this; half that, or 1/4 this & that & this & that. lol The also goes for the president. He’s not black. He THINKS black, he LOOKS black, but he’s BI-racial because he also has white blood. Sorry.

    • Masterpieced

      But, he KNOWS in America, he is considered black.

  • Race Doesn’t Exist

    Guys, I actually agree with Cosby somewhat. The term African American is racist. If a white person is addressed by nationality they are simply American as if they are the only ones born here. To accept the term African American is to perpetuate the cycle of segregation and racial profiling that goes on. None of us are African American any more or less than whites are British American or Irish American etc. I am American, that’s it just American. Born and raised in America. There is no such thing as race it’s merely a social construct.

    • Natashafx

      I concur. I travel internationally for work and when I have to complete customs forms to enter another country, I always put American. I do not put African American or Black American…just American because I am not from Africa. And I have never been asked by any foreign official, so what kind of American are you?

      • Masterpieced

        Duh. Of course, you put American.

    • Masterpieced

      I agree with you. As the descendents of the folk who build this land for free. I am AMERICAN. I am also Black.

  • Jello

    In this country white people labeled the African slaves black or negro, rather than Africans or identifying them by the country that they are from. People of color who are born outside of the United States do not identify as black, white or anything other than their ethnicity or country of birth or parents birth. African Americans have a problem with it because they were labeled a certain way and have not change it. Being of African decent does not mean that you are African, or black especially if you are mixed race.
    It is unfortunate, but African American have been preconditioned to call themselves black or African American, rather than American. White people either use the country of their ancestors , such as Italian American, Irish American etc., but the majority of the time whites simply identify as American. Each individual has the right to identify however they choose, especially if they were not raised with the mentality of Black Americans.

  • Merrlyn

    Ok, I’m stopping here. Your ‘headline’ was misleading. From what I’ve read a number NEVER SAID THEY WEREN’T of AFRICAN descent. They just didn’t go with the mindset that many American-Africans and American-Whites put out there about race. LIFE is not about race (what you’re bloodline line is) but about WHO YOU ARE – what you’ve made and done with your life. Because THAT’s the true proof of the pudding. Race is just another peg in other peoples’ rate sheet for others but I refuse to make it a part of mine.

  • bibol

    Black persons have very brown to black with kinky hair and dark eyes. When they do not look like that. They are not black. They talked like that in some places the one drop rule. Except many passed for white and were accepted as white. I had a neighbor who had black ancestry. She looked mostly white and had a white husband and children.

  • debra waters

    SHOCKED? WELL, THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE CALLING THEMSELVES “BLACK” ARE NOT. THEY ARE BROWN. JUST AS THE MAJORITY PEOPLE CALLING THEMSELVES ” WHITE” ARE NOT. PSYCHOLOGICAL CONDITIONING. LOOK INTO THE DEFINITION OF BOTH WORDS. ONE IS POSITIVE; WHITE, THE OTHER; BLACK IS VERY NEGATIVE. THEY ELICIT NEGATIVE, (BLACK) OR POSITIVE, (WHITE) STIMULI. GOOD GUYS ALWAYS WEAR WHITE. ANGELS ARE WHITE AND DRESSED IN WHITE. SATAN WEARS BLACK, AND SO DOES THE BAD GUY. WAKE UP AMERICANS OF THE BROWN RACE, YOU ARE CREATING THE EVIL THAT IS DESTROYING YOUR PEOPLE WHEN YOU CALL YOURSELVES “BLACK”.

    • Masterpieced

      White=empty, devoid, pale, void, vapid, etc.

      It is YOUR mindset.

      • debra waters

        Psychological Conditioning. Duh.

  • Sherrie749

    My comment is related to the article in general. Applause to these mixed race celebrities that don’t claim a race. Why can’t we as a country catch on to this attitude? There are some ugly things in the VERY past US history. We all know it’s wrong. We all know it’s past. We all know that there is no one living that was part of it. The majority of us are mixed races. (hello melting pot). How could anyone claim to be a specific race? I’m proudly (from what I know) Welsh, Irish, African American, Cherokee Indian. Loud and Proud on all parts.

    • Masterpieced

      Sooo, why do you claim all those ethnicities if you want American to get past race?

  • Elsavita Williams

    Listen….some of the AFRICAN people I know do NOT like you referring to yourselves as African American. They think it demeans their race. Some Africans refer to you as sons and daughters of slavemasters.

  • Cafe Au Lait

    Good discussion… I’ll call myself, Café Au Lait.
    My BF in grade school was a very light-skinned, bi-racial girl who used to manipulate the “Black” boys she knew had a romantic crush on her by getting them to do stuff for her, which was mostly a big game of tease. Then when they grew frustrated with her, she’d literally, kick them in their groins and run away.
    This analogy is not exclusive to light-skinned girls, either. Since every light-skinned boy in Minnesota that I ever had a crush on SEEMED very dedicated to coupling with girls of Euro persuasions. At least Kanye admitted to his persuasion.
    While it’s important to not allow ourselves to be defined by racial/sociological categorizing, it may be more important to acknowledge our own motives for distancing or, even hating the very socially marginalized group we could claim as a part of our identity, and in so doing broaden the very negative and limiting way we view ourselves…

    • Masterpieced

      I have a hard time finding your point….

  • Norman Ebanks

    “Video model Karrine Steffans — better known by her industry nick name Superhead — says that she doesn’t consider herself or her son African-American. Karrine says that because she’s from St. Thomas, she doesn’t have a black “state of mind”: “I think people forget, I’m an islander. I’m not African American.”
    Ha, Ha
    Reminds me of a story we like to tell in my family. When a relative from Jamaica, West Indies, first arrive here in 1957, we told him which restaurant NOT to go into in Alabama.
    He decided to ignore our advise because we were “fresh off the boat.”
    When we went down to the sheriff’s office to bail him out, he told us he had gone into one of the restaurant that we told him NOT to patronize. The staff told him that they do not serve “ni…ers.” He let them know that he was not a “ni..er” but a Jamaican.
    The owner politely explained to the sheriff while my Uncle was being handcuffed, that he was some type of “foreign ni..er.” and probably didn’t know any better.

    • Masterpieced

      HA HA!

  • Sojourner

    In the U.S. you are externally defined as opposed to self defined. Since slavery the one – drop rule has been in effect. If you have black African ancestry, you are of African descent. You can call yourself a squirrel if you like, but you are still an descendant of Africa first and your other ancestry is secondary.

  • Bits

    This title insinuates that being racially Black is the same as being culturally or nationally African-American. The two are not the same. Just because someone is black does not mean that they are automatically African-American.

  • K

    I’m so tired of this racism. Americans, especially those with African ancestry like 5 generations back, are still calling themselves African american. The africans don’t care about you. If my parents are Irish and African American why do I become African American but not Irish America. If I am mixed with African somewhere in my genealogy, why do I automatically have to call myself black? Black people are too racist and I say this as being a person whose is mixed with African so far back that I have no idea who that person is. And I will not be forced by society to label myself as what they want me to say I am. It’s like some of you don’t want racism to end. The longer people keep classifying themselves by color, the longer racism will last.

    • Masterpieced

      Because the IRISH Dropped you the first day your mama told them that she was having a half black baby. Only blacks take in bi-racial people and now those half-breeds no longer want the love.

  • Tom Tucker

    I don’t understand why the colored folks get all bent out of shape when someone doesn’t want to be identified by a color. That is ignorant in and of itself. Anyone can identify as to being anything that they wish to be and if you don’t like it, well then that is your problem, not theirs. I wouldn’t want to be identified as being black or an African-American either.

    • Masterpieced

      Or white. They stink.

  • lena

    seems to me, that none of them were embarrassed of being of darker colour, but simply didn’t want to be labelled anymore, cause labels can take away opportunities.

    • Masterpieced

      Gender can too. Do you see folk not claiming gender?

  • Kyle

    First, this is why women can’t run the black community. Black women can not restore black morals, ethics, or pride if black men do not step up and take charge. Second, many of these people are not black. We need to stop letting the black race be the dumping ground for everyone. Bi racial people are not black. Asians and whites don’t accept bi racial people as their race and neither should we. That one drop rule was instituted by slavery and white supremacy. Third, we as a people need to understand that whites, asians, and some latinos ARE NOT OUR FRIENDS. They are concerned with their people first and so should we. Running from your blackness will not make you accepted into white america. They do not want you and nor should you want them. I don’t like this reality but I don’t make the rules, I just play by them.

    • Ann Viviano

      Am I correct in interpreting this as a statement that you are advocating for both racism AND sexism? What end do you hope to achieve though this “only one race and gender is worthy” attitude? Do you think you will have any more success than Hitler?

      Most humans are at first suspicious of those who are not “like” them in appearance, but quickly dismiss the first appearances upon getting to know each other. Whites, Blacks, Asians, Hispanics are ALL extremely diverse in who they are as INDIVIDUAL people. I know black gays who hang out with whites because the whites are more accepting of them than the blacks, I know whites who hang out with blacks because they all share a love of a sport they play or share a love of the same music or like to act.

      My “white” (of Irish, Italian, Greek, Norwegian, British, Middle Eastern, and Asian Pacific Islander decent according to DNA testing) daughter had a “black” friend who’s family had to move to out of the city to a suberb because she was being harassed by black girls who did not like that she did well in school and had white friends. WHO has the right to decide who another person should decide to be? Is it possible that people like you who buy into this “race war” crap are the real problem? Maybe the rest of us just want to be human and choose our company based on our interests.

  • Saltine American

    There ARE White African Americans. Hint: Charlize Theron

    • Masterpieced

      Hint: Appartheid

  • Simon666

    Ridiculous. Many of these POC in the US don’t have roots in Africa for multiple generations. Obama can call himself an African American, having an African father and an American mother. I know a number of Africans (real ones) that feel the same way about POC in the US.

    • Masterpieced

      Some Mexicans have never been to Mexico. They are STILL Mexicans.

  • Rascallflattsgirl

    Karrine Steffans, Got a little of everything in her!!! I’m biracial and considered myself mixed or black, whatever floats your boat. My sisters consider themselves white.

    • Masterpieced

      mutts

  • Nicole

    This article….and quite frankly, a lot of the articles on this site are just down right ignorant and stupid. Who the hell sits around and writes about celebrities who “say they’re not African American”??? Zoe Saldana is NOT even African American- she’s Hispanic!!! And Nahla Aubrey is NOT African American…..she is only A QUARTER “black”! If her father doesn’t want her predominately “white” daughter to be identified as something other than so be it! Halle Berry herself only identifies herself as a black woman, although in reality she is only HALF African American and NOBODY says anything about that. We are in a new generation and need to get over it really. If somebody doesn’t want to classify themselves as African American (or whatever else for that matter) than so be it! Just worry about you and know you.

  • Missy

    Zoe Saldana isn’t black she’s just a dark skinned Latina. There are many other races that have dark skin like blacks like Indians, some Asians, and Latinos

    • Masterpieced

      I wish that she would not take black roles anymore then.

  • Patricia Colbert

    If she doesn’t to be black she needs to hurry back to wherever she came from

  • marco a. poshar

    black , white , who cares we all are the same , planet earth is home to all of us , so stop talking , who is what , grow up!!!!!!

    • Masterpieced

      Believe that? Tell the cops.

  • Dilaudid King

    Hmph, okay.

  • JA

    Karrine has a point, she does not share the same history as black who have generations of family in America. As a Caribbean girl I get frustrated when people label me as African-American, it is discrediting my history and the history of my people.

    • Masterpieced

      Then go back to the islands. It is disrespectful to come here and discredit the civil right that were won by black Americans for YOU to be here.

  • jnik

    Half of these people I’ve never heard of and the rest of them obviously never had an encounter with a cop!

  • Fernando Taveras

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  • afropuffs65

    People like these need for white folks to tell them what color they are. They will find out in a quick hurry. LOL!

  • Tera C

    Are you black now, Mr. Cosby ?

  • Varah Potter

    The thing about bi-racial is that just about everybody is bi-racial! I have Native American, Black, European, who knows what else. Especially seeing as I’m an American whose families, families, family has been here for a long time. But who knows how far my branches stretch across the world. The thing with “black” is that it’s such a social construct. Tangible, yes, present, yes, but it’s such an ambiguous term. To society it’s about how you look, so regardless of ancestry if you look black you’re going to be treated as a black person; you’re going to deal with issues that come with looking a certain way to whatever degree. Wether it be a good or bad experience. Now because of that social idea of what black is, how black people are and/or are not, we’ve created our own culture, slang, fashion, etc. inside of white America. So I don’t think black or considering yourself black is a decision that we wholly get to make ourselves because of the way our society is. You can identify with that culture, but being apart of it and understanding it is something that comes with you being treated as such; having the “black” experience.

    • Candace

      I totally agree I like Anna and Rashida can pass for white I am like 1.5 shades lighter than rashida with straight hair and hazel green eyes. I’ve always felt sorry for my mother because people always assumed she was either the nanny or my step mother but most likely my nanny is what most assumed. I don’t identify as black because I haven’t had that experience growing up and people always assume I’m white unless I say that I’m half black. I just let them think what they want. But the things people of other races will say when blacks aren’t around or in the room is just horrible.

      • KokoB.

        Do you ever correct them? or say hey, STFU my mom is “black”? If you don’t shame on you.

  • Quokka

    This article is technically incorrect. If you’re going by where their roots and where their families are from, and if they’re families are not from Africa, then technically, these celebrities are correct, they’re not African-American. If you are basing it off of their skin color, well, skin color doesn’t mean what you ethnically are.

    For example, not all “white” people are the same ethnically. Please know the difference.

    1.) Devyn Abdullah – I do not know much about her and cannot find much information about her, so I’ll refrain from saying anything as “FACT”

    2.) Zoe Saldana is Puerto Rican, Dominican, Lebanese, and Haitian. So, technically she is not African-American.

    Haiti is in the Caribbean, technically.

    3.) Keyshia Cole – I do not know much about her and cannot find much information about her, so I’ll refrain from saying anything as “FACT”

    4.) Karrine Steffans is from the Virgin Islands, so technically, she isn’t African-American.

    5.) Raven Symone – I do not know much about her and cannot find much information about her, so I’ll refrain from saying anything as “FACT.” However, she doesn’t deny that she is black, but ethnicity wise, it’s not proven that her family roots are from Africa.

    6.) Shemar Moore is African American, Irish, and French-Canadian

    7.) Bill Cosby – I do not know much about him ethnicity wise and cannot find much information about him and where his family roots are from, so I’ll refrain from saying anything as “FACT.”

    8.) Gabriel Aubry and his daughter with actress Halle Berry – Nahla – which means Nahla is French-Canadian on her father’s side and is English, German, and African-American on her mother’s (Halle Berry) side. Halle Berry is bi-racial. So yes, Nahla is part African-American.

    9.) Tiger Woods – Is African-American (father) and his mother is of Thai, Chinese, and Dutch ancestry. It is also rumored that he is part Native-American however that has not been proven. So yes, he is part African-American.

    10.) Wentworth Miller – His father is Afro-Jamaican and African-American and his mother is of Dutch, French, Swedish, Labanese/Syrian, Austrian, and Polish descent. So, yes, Wentworth is part African-American.

    11.) Rashida Jones – Her father, Quincy Jones is African-American, English, Scottish, and Welsh with distant French and Italian roots, while her mother is Ashkenazi Jewish of Russian and Latvia descent. So yes, she is part African-American.

    I would also like to point out that just because her name is Rashida, does not mean anything.

    • Simon666

      Oh noes. Facts. You’ll hurt the author’s intellect.

    • Masterpieced

      Part black is black. Check the slavery codes.

  • Anna

    I am a person of mixed race my parents are both multiracial. My mom is Dutch, Indian, Kenyan, and Moroccan my dad is Russian, Swedish, and Saudi Arabian. My whole life I’ve passed for white because I just don’t look like my mother at all. My parents split when I was a child and my dad kept me and just never told me about my mother or her race. I grew up thinking I’m a white woman and didn’t learn until I was 22 that I was part African. I was hurt because I felt that he kept something that shouldn’t have been a secret away from me. I was hurt because I found out in a bad way. My grandmother told me that I should be lucky I look the way I do because if I didn’t insure as hell wouldn’t be in her house using her last name as if I belonged and the room got quiet and it was sooo confused as to what she meant but my dad just looked ashamed like I wasn’t to find out. Now I’m just confused because if I say I’m black people look at me like yea right but if I say I’m white and they know my mother and they know I’m mixed race it’s like a sin but I say it’s a combination of how you look outwardly and how you see yourself and your struggles. I didn’t have the struggle of the average Black person growing up and still don’t because when people see me they see a white woman with green eyes and dark blonde hair. They don’t see a black woman. My father said in this world sometimes you are what people perceive of you and not who you perceive of you.

    • Anna

      I also don’t her why they say passing for white because if you are mixed you are mixed you are both white and black or whatever race you are mixed with. Does that mean that every mixed person that is looks more black than they do white are passing for black??? Why is it bad to claim your white and good to say that you are black??? I get no celebrating your heritage and being ashamed of it is bad but isn’t asking them to claim that they are black is making some of us feel like we’re alienating one race for the other. That’s how I feel I can’t just say I’m black because I’m so much more than that. Just like I can’t just say I’m white either anymore now that I know. I feel like just claiming one of the races makes me feel like I’m ashamed of the other one which isn’t true at all. At the end if the day I just feel confused as to who I should be. Should I be who I am perceived to be at first glance or should I just not care.

      • Masterpieced

        You should get therapy.

    • Masterpieced

      Most bi-racial folk are confused.

  • SThAfrica

    African Americans are not African. They no longer have anything to do with Africa. They are American and should be proud of that. Leave the African out now. They don’t want to live here, we do not have it easier, they have a great life in America. Time to cut the African out and stand on their own as Americans.

    • Masterpieced

      I am American. I am African American. Proud.

  • Kettle Cooked

    What the hell should mixed ppl act like in movies that’s not black while looking so damn Black? Also I’m living PROOF this what you look like thing is stupid. I’m Black/White/Native and when I look in the mirror I see Mexican 😀 Always seen as White/Hispanic that’s not even my mix lol. NEVER EVER BLACK but nappy afro black ppl hair. LOVE LATINAS Thought.

  • Nancy Smith

    This is a ridiculous article. These people have been open about their race! Rashida is the daughter of Quincy Jones.

  • Mom of biracial son

    Maybe because they aren’t.

  • pat

    it do not make you black because you was a salve in America.. it make you black thet the color of your skin.. 1% and we as black people are not ashame of ourselves… we have bee
    n put through hell and we are still here.. the killing of our child , our men being place in jail for nothing.. we are not ashame of who we are …

  • foxybeige

    Isn’t it funny that the picture they have for Raven for this article is of her wearing a big @ss African symbol on her shirt? lol. Just an observation…

  • sunni_daze

    When you mix drugs and idiots….these are the answers you get. There is no cure for self hate.

  • BlaCherGerEngPowDom82

    I’m a born and bred New Yorker who comes from a Black Southern family on both sides. Dad’s from Va, mom’s from NC. When I was a little girl my mom would say, ‘You’re not Afro or African American, you’re Black’ I didn’t get it then but I did get it when I was older. Being Black is something totally unique.

    First, Black people are the only culture of people in this country who are uniquely American made. We are such a mix of cultures.

    I know in my family on my dad’s side they are Powhatan, English, African and Dominican, which is crazy because you would never imagine that a man from Va would have any kind of Dominican blood. On top of that, he was copper brown with a curly-wavy sandy blonde fro and freckles. Everyone in his family has freckles, I have a few myself and so do my sisters.

    My mom’s family is from NC. They’re African, Cherokee, German, English and possibly Scottish, but that’s pretty much unproven. My mom was born with bright red hair (I always remember it as auburn before it turned gray) and gray eyes. Her dad’s birth records has him as Mulatto and my mom said he was tall, very pale, with hazel eyes and curly hair. Her little brother has blue eyes and her little sister is a natural blonde.

    Being Black isn’t just what you’re made of but it’s also a state of mind. It’s the way you carry yourself. There is nothing, and no one, like a Black person. We are unique. Everyone wants to dress like, talk like and look like us but no one wants to be us which is sad because our culture is amazing.

    So I can get some of what these celebrities mean, mostly what Zoe and Raven are saying. Keysha is just confused I think. Honestly her mom was a crack head, can she really be sure who the hell her dad was? They are of African descent like most American Black people are but they’re not African. African people hate us because they say we’re not pure. Trust me, my downstairs neighbors are Nigerian and they barely speak if I say hello in passing. I don’t call myself African American, I’m Black. I’m a mutt. I think there’s a big difference between African American and Black American.

  • Dee Mcphersonn

    First of all you are the Nationality the country you were born in. I don’t blame those people…I dare someone call me an African American, I have no known connections with Africa. I do not know the culture, etc. My genealogy and our family was traced back as far as 1800’s with all great grands being born in America…there were no mentionings of coming from Africa. When I look at all the mixtures and color in my family…. I can tell why. I am American first. When I fill out applications I always check “other or Mixed Race.

  • Do some research

    What many people don’t realize is that hardly any humans alive are of any pure race. Most blacks have European genes….. You would all be surprised just how “white” you really are. Don’t believe me, look it up

  • sashagreen

    I wish that I could give each of them a get out of black card like a get out of jail card in Monopoly. They make it seem as though other blacks are the reason they are thought of as black. It doesn’t really matter whether others blacks consider you as black, you must convince white folks that you are not black. Good luck! Can you imagine a red or pink or tangerine colored rose saying, “I don’t want you to see my color”, I just want you to see a rose when you see me. A rainbow that says, I just want you to see the rainbow not the individual colors. Self hatred, still alive and well!

  • Gail

    The title says “Black Celebrities Who Say They’re Not African American” but people are arguing that people do not think they are Black. I know that some people will get upset about this, I am Black but I AM NOT African-American. I am an American citizen but was neither born here or in Africa. Why would I call myself an Arfrican-American? Just because that term was created, it does not mean it applies to evryone that is black.

  • dora enow

    if she marries a white guy her children will be snow white. her nose certainly isn’t black

  • dora enow

    who says she has to be black….you can call yourself anything you want

  • Carolyn Smith

    I dont blame these women one bit for not wanting to be called Afro American if they were born in America. They are American. THey are African American like I am German American but I dont stick German in front of American. Why should they put African in front of it. Also not all dark skinned people come from African decent. There are other countries with people of dark skin.

  • Karla

    Keyshia Cole may not be Black, but she most certainly is ghetto.

  • Maggie Magrodnyc

    This article is the very definition of race-baiting and this site should be ashamed of itself. Most if not all of these women are NOT black, because most if not all of them are BI-RACIAL. And as such they are not “just” black. Why should they negate one part of their racial background in order for you to “claim” them as black? I mean seriously what makes you the arbiter of who “gets to be black”. GTFOH. Black is not the “color of your skin”, (except to racists) you ignorant and uneducated twits, “black” is your FULL racial background. Obama is NOT black, he is MULATTO. Halle Berry is NOT black, she is Mulatto. They can “call” themselves black, but they do NOT have 2 black parents, so they are in fact, technically NOT black. just as most if not all of these women are not.

  • coco

    I have to disagree when it comes to Halle Berry’s baby, she is more white then anything else.

  • abovethehype

    Check your source ,”The New Yorker” on Wentworth Miller. He never attended Harvard. He went to Princeton.

  • Dia

    If you are biracial, then you are black and white. You’re are not just black and not just white. And it’s especially hard when you look more white, to claim that you are black and you’re proud; since you don’t see your black side in you when you look in the mirror. My point is that everyone has the right to identify with what they are most comfortable with. Halle Berry, President Obama and Alicia Keys are all biracial but only identify as Black. Now is anybody up in arms about that. I mean they are denying their white side with that label. And funnily enough their black fathers were all absent from their lives and their white mothers were the ones who raised them.

  • Francesca

    Zoe Saldana is HISANIC! she is not AFRICAN-AMERICAN! i hate how people swear that just because a person has dark skin and is american that they are African-American Hispanic people are of all shades My family who is 100% Puerto Rican has people of ALL colors. I have tan skin and course hair and my SISTER is white with green eyes and wavy light brown hair I have cousins and aunts and uncles who are as dark as night and others who are as fair as snow. We are all hispanic! I hate labels so much, why do americans have to sort everyone into a category. We are all American! in 100 years from now this country will be so mixed hat noone will even know what to call themselves. Who cares if these people do not consider themselves “black” good for them because they are refusing to be ut ino a category.

    • Francesca

      Hispanic***

  • Renata Barnes

    MEG BUTLER!!!! Can you fact check? Can madame Noire fact check just once? Wentworth Miller went to Princeton. PRINCETON!!! It is not that hard to discover that and then find corroborating information. Done.

  • Chermaine

    this article is filled with such lies. half these celebrities never even said they’re not black, they just say they’re not african american… which some of them probably aren’t. Maybe they’re family isn’t even african maybe they’re caribbean….. also regarding rashida jones she never claimed she wasn’t black her sister just said her skin was so light she could pass as a white person…. I’m black and I’m Canadian and if someone said I was African-Canadian that would annoy me bc I’m not African… I’m Jamaican… Just because you’re black doesn’t mean you’re african…. :S

  • Emalia

    Zoe Saldana is half DOMINICAN and half PUERTO RICAN. Who the hell did the (and I say this loosely considering this site) “fact checking” for this article? Sooo how exactly, as the headline of the article claims, did “somebody done told her wrong” ? … Her claims of not being African American, are quite simple. She is in fact, NOT African American. She’s not denying or turning her back on anything. She is a Latina. And yes, while Puerto Ricans in particular CAN come from African American ancestry, it is also traced back to Caucasians (from Spain) and Native Tainos. But this mixture and whatever specific heritage she is made up from her mother’s side, makes her PUERTO RICAN not African American. Every single person can be traced to many different bloodlines, heritages, etc. Such is the human race. And while her skin color is dark, and what some might consider to be black (although her assessment of using color to define is spot on), culturally she is Latina. So why should she feel like she owes it to anyone to define herself as black? I’m Puerto Rican, Cuban, and Italian. Everyone I come across perceives me as something different than what the next person perceives me as. Oh well. It doesn’t matter how other people define me, what matters is how I feel culturally. It’s the same as some commenters on here getting on Rashida Jones for “acting white” . Yes she is mixed. Half African American, half Caucasian. Her Caucasian mother raised her. I’m sure she feels a connection to both races, but she has as much “white” as a part of her as “black”. People don’t like if a mixed celebrity doesn’t define themselves as black, but if they do and forget about their “white” side, that’s okay? Why should they define themselves with only one race?

  • lou Brown

    They may want to say that they aren’t African-American, which I do understand, but all of them are of AFRICAN descent! Everything comes from there!

  • Loot In Honor of Mike Brown

    Most of these people were telling the truth. Biracials are not black. They are biracial. If you can call a biracial just black then you should be able to call them just white too because they are as much white as they are black. People need to stop referring to that one drop rule which was made up by a racist white man might I add.

  • Kristine

    Zoe Saldana isn’t black tho, she’s Dominican and Puerto Rican. They have African ancestry but not African-American.

    • big_rino

      So, if you have African ancestry in America you are ‘black’. But if you have African ancestry and were born in Puerto Rican or the DR you are not black? Please explain that one. Dominican and PR is not a race.

      • Kristine

        She is not African-American. Why is she even in this article is my point. it is about Black celebrities who say they are not African-American; which she is not.

  • Bigman47

    The black community is and has not been insync for a long time. I hear young black men and women saying they do not want to have a baby with another black person they want a biracial baby so that they are more light in complexion. Quite sad but true. The truth is all the people mentioned are biracial. if pure breaded black people don’t want to have black children then it’s obvious that biracial kids don’t want to be called black. This is dysfunctional state of being.

  • trolla

    it’s ok if they don’t want to be black but they simply have to stop representing our black community in movies, music etc…i wonder if those people have a brain to think?

  • Mike Donovan

    I think its comedy when islanders say that about post slavery issues as if their life from the government on down is not the same way. Women respected in the west indies, self image…. wigs and fake hair everywhere, gay bashing, beatings and killings. As a person in ny you hear the same thing. If ny has taught me anything its that blacks suffer from same problems around the world. West indians always come with that nonsense. Hilarious

  • Me

    I agree to a certain point. I have never been comfortable with the “African Americanl” I am in my mid 30s and remember when this term became “politically correct”. I Rather be called a black American. My grandfather was white and my 3 children are half white. And just like most you “African Americans” on this post Africa is not your only heritage. Its not about denouncing your heritage its about embacing that you are more than a label just because you are black. They are still trying to categorize us and once again we accept it and look down on the ones that speak up .

  • AgentOfTruth

    Watch black folks desperately plead with these celebs. LMAO. Stop trying to claim these BLATANTLY “mixed race people”. It does black folks no favours.

  • Mary

    If you look black and the world treats you this way then you are black, if you look green and the world treats you this way then you are green, if you look white and the world treats you this way then you are white, if you look orange and the world treats you this way you are orange.

    I know many people who look white and the world treats them as if they are white and they are politically and culturally black. I know many people who look black and the world treats them as if they are black and they are politically and culturally white.

    I’m afraid I’m fully with Bob Marley on this on ref. his comment about eye colour. Me? I look black and I am English! I am black and English and proud of it!

    Now politics, culture and nurture question is a very different issue and a much deeper questions to debate.

    We are lucky that we live in a time when identify can shift actually.

    Most of all in 2014 people who are citizens of this plant of one human race can jolly well be whatever they want to be as long as it is not harming themselves or others.

  • Catsincages .

    Gabriel Aubry

  • craigdonahue

    She’s just a modern day HOUSE @igger that’s not in the fields with the dark Negroes but in the kitchen @ucking Master!

  • LiiSH

    Identity is both characterized by what you feel you are, and the experience you receive because of how others see you.

    I can understand Shemar Moore and other bi-racial people expressing views that they shouldn’t be defined as one race. But Keyshia Cole has no idea who her father is, does she get to claim bi-racial?

    I have a feeling that Gabriel Aubry is racist. He should understand that his daughter is in fact black though. Fair-skinned, and of mixed ethnicity, but still black.

    • Masterpieced

      “Get to claim bi-racial”. Is that an HONOR?

      • LiiSH

        It’s neither an honor or dishonor, it’s just fact that some people are of mixed ethnicity and should have pride in all of their heritage. Mixed people tend to get pigeon-holed into identifying as one race no matter what their particular experience may have been or who they may have been raised by. Being mixed is a whole other cultural experience within itself. I can’t expect a person who may be black and Asian who has grown up in a household with a single Asian parent not to identify with their Asain heritage becasue the world identifies them as black.

  • blackladdiebrad1953

    ‘Puerto Rican and Scottish??????”Were you in “Welcome Back,Kotter?”(Marcia Strassman,who played Mrs. Kotter,recently succumbed to breast cancer,but my favourite character was that blonde Texas chick,Bambi,the first “Sweathoggette!!!!!!”)

  • blackladdiebrad1953

    Matthew Robinson,NEWS FLASH.Nobody save you (well,perhaps some other people with dull-normal intelligence,though actually,those people unfortunately FAR OUTNUMBER US BRAINY BRADS!!!!!!!!)cares about your “nappy hair.”They should care about your character,which,if I remember,Dr. King referenced in his,”I have a dream” speech Aug.28,1963,at the Washington Monument.Read it.I have,and Dr. King NEVER mentions anyone’s hair texture!!!!!!!!

  • blackladdiebrad1953

    Matthew Robinson,what do you mean by “a white woman’s mannerisms?”Do you mean she isn’t fat,fugly,frigid,b***hy,or,in FAR TOO MANY BLACK WOMEN’S CASES,ALL FOUR?
    (In that caes,read my first post here.I’m sure you’d think I don’t have the “proper black man’s
    [thuggish] mannerisms!!!!!!!)

  • blackladdiebrad1953

    yoda,you write as if your IQ is about half-MAYBE!!!!!!!-mine!!!!!!!!!!!

  • blackladdiebrad1953

    Well,I’m called “Laddie” (sometimes ‘Cowboy”),I’m COAL-BLACK,boast of a 150-160 IQ,AND cover boy good looks-AT AGE SIXTY-ONE!!!!!!Add that I’m a Country music fan,enjoy wearing casual and/or cowboy garb and-UGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!DON’T SOUND “BLACK”(whatever THAT means!!!!!),so what do you folk make of Yours Truly?

  • frances

    Frankly, why do we give so much weight to what these celebrities, especially the young ones, have to say? Whatever problems they may face as a result of how they choose to identify themselves will be their problems, and anyone who is secure in his or her racial identity will not have that identity impacted by people who have no input in their lives. I firmly believe that some of the reluctance to call themselves African-Americans may stem from a lack of emotional connection with the continent or from the ignorance about African countries that is epidemic in this country. I have noticed that the detractors of Africa, and some supporters of it as well, view Africa as one huge, monolithic mass of land that might as well be an entire country. That’s why detractors can say things like “go back to Africa” and some supporters say things like “you don’t know your African culture,” as if African countries don’t have diverse cultures. In any case, it’s a lot of ado about absolutely nothing because they have only as much significance for us as we choose to give them.

  • MollyScandalicious

    I thought the ”one drop” rule was declared unconstitutional in 1968? Why are black and white people are still holding on to it? Gabriel Aubry is white, Halle is half white, why can’t Nahla be considered white? As far as i’m concerned she is.

  • Holly Chaney

    Didn’t see one of these people say they were not black but talked about everything else they were what’s wrong with that? Why do black people get Mad and like to call mixed people confused when they don’t say their just black? How is what someone calls themselves hurting them?

  • HOLLY

    What’s wrong with Keyshia Cole calling herself biracial?

  • John Plummer

    its not longer what you think. its what society labels you.

  • wh@tm@tters

    What does it matter what a person considers themselves to be, racially speaking? When it comes to “Black” people especially, NOT ALL BLACK PEOPLE ARE OF AFRICAN DESCENT.

  • Simone Rodrigues

    Shemar Moore may feel like he’s just as much white Ann’s he is black… Inside. Because baby when the world looks at you they see been skin and a black man. You are a black actor or minority actor. Just like the President. It would be a dream world if all we saw and treated each other as just “Human Beings” but it’s not. Folks can delude themselves if that’s what it takes to get through the day. Until the get woken the hell up as soon as that dream is shattered and your treated and looked at as BLACK.

  • Notmycandy

    There’s mixture in my family and I go by my skin tone which is black.

  • brooklynbabe

    Kidada sounds like the racist here. Maybe Rashida just accepted being biracial. I am a white woman who adopted a tan skinned Guatemalan child. If she was embarrassed about me and asked me to pick her up a block away I might understand her feelings but sincerely pray that her heart would open and she would no longer see the world in racial terms.

  • CDub

    She never said she was not Black. She just said she wasn’t African-American. I am sick and tired of hearing about this. What gives us the right as humans to label each other? Let the woman live her life and stop ridiculing her. If she doesn’t add value to her life then why care? I’m sorry MadameNoire, but stop this mess!

    • Cdub

      Your life, not her

  • mary

    She looks like she is on drugs. I would not listen to what she has to say anyway. I don’t like the term “black girl’ for grown women. It is insulting. I, for example, am a WOMAN, not a little girl, thank you!

  • alasia min

    African American is NOT synonymous with black. It’s an ethnicity and here we have uneducated idiots trying to make it a race. Devyn abdullah looks mixed race to me. She definitely doesn’t look black so why try to make her?

    Zoe Saldana, as usual, sounds stupid. Her explanation just veers off in 20 different directions. Ethnicity and color are two different things. She needs to do more thinking before she tries explaining things.

    Raven’s quip sounded weird? A colorless person? She’s creamy brown colored so that doesn’t make her colorless. She should of just said “I’m tired of labels”.

    And Halle Berry’s daughter black? Seriously, she’s 1/4 black, she’s more white than she is black! Damn racists and your one drop rule.

    Wentworth has significant mixed heritage, but he’s mostly white.

    Rashida jones is also mostly white. People don’t consider that her dad already has admixture which adds to the fact that her moms white.

    Narcissistic black people need to get over themselves and realize that mixed people are mixed. They’re racist to try and deny a mixed person their ancestry. These celebrities are not black, most are mixed or mostly white.

    • big_rino

      If you strictly use being ‘purely black’ to define being black in America, you effectively throw out generations of people from American slavery to the present that lived all their lives as black people. You have black people in America who are brown skinned but have white in their family from the Jim Crow era all the way back to the cotton plantations. There are a LOT of black people in the US with white blood in their veins and for some you would not know it looking at them – don’t let skin tone fool you. Race mixing is a part of American history. These ‘mixed people’ as you call them lived, fought, and died under white racism in this country. How dare you say they are not ‘black’. Being black in America is not only in your DNA it is your experience and life. You clearly don’t understand it.

      • alasia min

        Being black is being black as in a majority of you is of black African descent and either both your parents are mixed or they’re both from two separate phenotypical groups of humans. That’s what these people are, they’re mixed. end of story. I never said anything about skin color determining how mixed you are, i already know that skin color has next to nothing to do with how mixed someone is. No I clearly understand dna. If mixed people want to identify as mixed, they have every right to. You’re just trying to uphold that racist one drop rule so screw you. At the end of the day, you can’t changed genetics or facts. Guess what Halle berry has a white parent, get over it. Wentsworth miller has a white parent, get over it. Racist pos

  • Sis H

    They are NOT saying they are not African American, they are saying they don’t want to be labeled as a “black” actor/actress/singer/etc. Why not just say an actor or singer. We don’t say he/she is a white actor. Always trying to keep racism going.

  • Melicious

    I am the opposite. My mother is Black and my dad is Chinese but i identify as black. I cant relate to asian beauty standards, culture etc as i am a dark skinned girl with big curly hair. Also i find myself more drawn to the way black women are..strong, independent and outspoken as opposed to prudish demure Asians..Please bear in mind that i live in Asia and am referring to Asians born in Asia not Americans.

    • Masterpieced

      What part of China are you in? I lived in Sichuan for two years with my parents.

  • Devin

    What’s any of this got to do with commenting on ZOE SALDANA ?

    • Masterpieced

      She needs to stop taking black roles since she is not black.

  • Ebony

    Zoe isn’t black though. She’s Dominican

  • Name Private

    like the saying goes, do you have any Black in you, do you want some

  • Craig D. Casimir

    i don’t see the problem…. i like bill cosby’s statement the best. they’re american- not “african-american”

  • Charlez Don

    this lady should go to hell, who cares if she doesnt wanna associate herself to black. #AmMadeOfBlack…

  • ray

    I wasn’t born in America, I’m of West indian decent. Mixed with Scottish, blk ,Caribbean Indian and Chinese. I was look down on because I didn’t consider myself African American , which I know I’m not. It’s hard sometimes when it’s label for everything , it’s even more frustrating when we have to explain it to our kids.

  • Paul

    Why should anyone care? Let these humans label themselves to their heart’s content. Here’s a label for you…if you are a human…you are an IDIOT!

  • Maestro BK

    learn about the #FACTS of race and #ethnicassets – and #changethenarrative > ethnicassets . org /

  • Lorielle

    Karinne Steffans is 100% correct. “African American” is a nationality. Karinne’s birthplace of St. Thomas defines her nationality, i.e. she’s NOT African American. The umbrella term “African” has been adopted given that it is extremely difficult for a black American to pinpoint which country in Africa his/her ancestors originated from. Karinne’s elders cannot pass down the pain, ideologies, and shame of being black in America if they’ve not lived in America.

  • takuwind40

    Its like the guy who introduced himself as an Italian American. I asked him if he immigrated to America and he said no. I asked if his parents migrated to America and he said no. I don’t know how many generations he was going back but I think after one or two, he was an American plain and simple. Isn’t this what most of these celebraties want to be seen as ” Americans.” Why does skin color matter. I thought a war was fought and won over this issue a few generations ago saying skin color didn’t matter. The title of this article makes it seem like these people are deluded. It is articles like these that perpetuate this color line. Who cares. Give these people a break and let them be who they want to be.

  • Gervis

    Nahla isn’t “Black” if she’s 75% white…

  • Rob ‘Yasuke’ Butler

    Coming from the UK this argument perplexes me. This just doesn’t happen. My son is bi-racial and is universally accepted as such. Going to his school I see a plethora of children mixed of all different ethnicities. The notion that they’d have to “belong” to one ethnicity or be accused of denying the other, just doesn’t apply here. It’s just my opinion and no doubt would get a lot of flack for this, but generations ago, any mixed child would be called black (if not worse) by oppressors because the gene pool was considered diluted.

    Of course the reasons for feeling the need to be called black by the community is the polar opposite to this. It’s the foundation of the struggle. Nonetheless, cognitively, it’s the same mindset to that of everything we’ve fought against as a people.

  • Ebony Saintz

    Stating that you’re not an African-American is nothing like saying you’re not Black! Did the person who wrote this article consider that there are White Africans? Or, that African is a nationality, so an American born person cannot also be an African, regardless of skin color. Idiots, and certain websites, always trying to make something out of nothing. Saldana is HIspanic, so even if her Dominican daddy was as black as tar, they’re taught to be ashamed of every theoretical drop of that ancestral African blood. Of course, she’s in denial.

  • Drippity

    Tiger Woods is more Asian, as a percentage, than he is black. Just saying.

    • Masterpieced

      Asians do not claim him.

  • Faia Aliifua

    You missed the point. Raven didn’t want to be labeled. This has nothing to do with being ashamed to be african american.

  • stacy

    Tiger woods is biracial and was raised by a asian mom(with paternal white ancestry) & a black father wwo didn’t identify as black himself but mixed race, and Tiger was raised in a white environment so I am not surprised. Wentworth miller’s mother is white and his father is multiracial so he is a 25% black and 75% white, in my book he looks like a white dude and has the mentality as one, he may sympathize with blacks but thats where it ends, so I am not surprised with him. Rashia jones father(quincy Jones) did a ancestry test and he found out he was and has 50% white/european in him, so in a way Quincy jones was mixed himself and he had kids with a pure white women so Rashida has the same mix as wentworth, and will look mostly white, she looks and I consider her a white women, so I am not surprised by her.If she was of Halle Berry look and mix she would have no choice to call herself black, in the united states specifically. Shemar moore has called himself black when it comes to his identity on oprah and other media outlets before but has also said that he wont pretend about his white side. Keyshia cole is a idiot, her mother has said she doesn’t know if her father is mixed race or italian and has gone back and forth about it but if Halle berry can call herself black I don know whiy keyshia cole is having a problem just saying that.
    Superhead is not african american cause she is of caribbean decent, so no problem with that. Zoe saldana is not african american cause she is of afro-latina decent so I see no problem with that. People should also know Zoe Saldana has called herself Black latina as well, despite some other comments she has said.
    The rest of the people listed like that model that was under Naomi Campbell or the raven simone girl well I think people need to realize that identification in the african american community has become more of a big issue, especially with the young generation and their rejecting the term african american now, and I expect the numbers to grow. To me the whole list doesn’t shock me or bother me because I am nigerian american and wouldnt want to be called or labeled african american either. Im supporting these stars or rejecting them but this is nothing new, this issue has been talked about it for years, its just now this topic is coming to the attention of the media, especially after the raven simone thing or when beyonce comercial that read african american, french and native american instead of african american but with jennifer lopez her nationality was put but not her races. The african american community is changing

    • stacy

      Correction: “I’m not supproting or rejecting these stars with their views on not being identified as african american”

  • Isatu Mansaray

    As you can see all of the these celebrities aside from Bill Cosby are bi-racial. The sad thing is a lot of people that are bi-racial are quick to deny being black. My mom looks white, being half black and half Native American, but she will tell you she’s black right of the bat.

  • mimi

    I applaud them because black is only a color. A HUMAN should be aloud to consider themselves anything they friggin want to!

    • Masterpieced

      Gender is only a ______. Should we drop that too?

  • Dee

    I think that all these celebs have a point. They are Americans You don’t hear Katy Perry saying she’s Portuguese American so why should a black american have to identify as African American unless they were born/bred there? And why in HELL does a biracial person have to identify as black if they are 50:50 black:white. It’s mad!

  • sm1990

    bill cosby i love it. can’t wait to get old and just speak the truth cause that is so true.

    • Masterpieced

      Truth? rapist

  • sm1990

    now keyshia needs to take several seats, boo boo your daddy may be white but you been around nothing but hood black people your entire life. look at that family

  • sm1990

    um Zoe Saldana is dominican and puerto rican, she just looks black but she really isn’t.

    • WhatRUSayin?

      Black refers to race. She is black and she has said she is. You are confusing race with cultural identity. Two different concepts.

  • suzie30

    This article proves that most Americans are idiots.
    Slavery ended a long time ago but you guys still behave like it exists.
    If someone has a white parent and a black parent they are mixed race.
    Why is it in America there is some obsession with identifying with one race when you are clearly not one race.
    You guys need to stop that. It is just so stupid and narrow minded.
    Halle Berry is not black. She is mixed race.
    Alicia Keys is not black. She is mixed race.
    Get a life people . Because to the world outside you look and sound like narrow minded idiots.
    Mixed race- say it. Why do you find it so painful to say that ??? Losers.
    OBAMA IS NOT BLACK HE IS MIXED RACE. America has never had a black president. Obama represents the black people as much as he represents the white people.
    The other thing I find so ridiculous is the was Tamera Mowry gets insulted for marrying a white man. She is mixed race. She is not black. Her father is white and her mother is black.
    America is the most racist country in the world. You guys just look so stupid because you live in your own racist world.
    Get a life!!

  • Riot5000

    That NAPPY Hair will tell on you.

  • singwell

    it ought to be up to the individual to say what part of their heritage they relate to, My children are 1/4 Aussie, 1/4 Kiwi, 1/4 Italian and 1/4 german,but feel strongly Italian-Australian, because of the way they were raised. Their cousins who are 1/2 Canadian,1/4 Italian and 1/4 german, and 3/4 Italian 1/4 german, may feel differently.

    • Masterpieced

      So can I say that I am the President? Doctor? Lies are sins.

  • guyaubreydevito

    Dumbest article I’ve ever seen. ‘Black celebrities who say they’re not African American’ indeed. For starters most of these celebs are in fact mixed race or don’t have that much ‘black’ ancestry. The ones that are purely black are clearly making a point about being labelled by their race. Outrageously stupid stuff and no one will take this site seriously if this sort of nonsense is published.

  • peppersmom

    Honestly…I could care less what people call themselves. But to Zoe Saldana…please turn down every role where the character is a black woman. Nina Simone is black and should be played by a black women. SMDH…

  • k

    cosby didnt say he wasn’t black – you’re twisting his words

  • Guest 123

    I suppose if you use the Jim Crow definition then a lot of these people are “black” but I think the “one drop” rule is a bit gross. These people have often got more herratage from caucasion “white” genes than “black”.

  • Fran

    I hope noone takes this the wrong way…I agree with all the quotes in this piece. Shemar is correct he is just as black as he is white…why are we as blacks so quick to claim what othersdon’t seem to want? If it is documented that Tiger is in fact mix with everything he claims he is, why isn’t he considered the first Asian to win the masters? Although I grew up inthe States being from Haiti the issues of race as it is handled here, I have never come to understand… but this is coming from someone who many called white due to the way I speak, but believe me my skin is a pure as dark chocolates and my obssession with learning about the continent called Africa is like a burning coal in my heart. Yet I simply call myself Haitian or black because I can not tell not a soul what country my ancestors are from in Africa.

  • Looter

    Really what point is there in calling a person black or white other than to divide and humiliate? I don’t see the value in those terminologies.

  • SweetPea

    It use to be that one drop of black blood made you what “BLACK”! They were black when they started in show business but now that we have supported them to their stardom….and they feel as though they no longer need their black fan base…..they are no longer black. But regardless of how they see themselves….one drop…..just one little drop. Get pulled over by the police….get called out of your name….get mistreated…..don’t get that well deserved job…JUST ONE DROP

  • TheStig

    It has nothing to do with denial, or shame, it’s about labels. White Americans are not labeled as European Americans so why are black Americans labeled African Americans? Why can’t all just be called Americans? Why does your color or Ethnicity have to matter? These celebrities are not rejecting their lineage, they are rejecting labels, and think it Will be a step forward in racial equality if we get rid of certain labels. We are all people and are all the same under our skin.

  • Jynxx

    Um… Raven said she didn’t consider herself AFRICAN AMERICAN as in she is not herself from Africa, she’s American… like we ALL are. I’m pretty sure she never said she wasn’t black. dumb fucks.

  • Toby Tyke

    Darkies and Denial………In reality all of them wishing they too could have won the the Jackpot in the lottery of life……..Being born white….or should that be …..’ Caucasian’,….. white skinned of European Origin

  • Brazilian-Nigerian

    This is so ridiculous! Guess what African American people aren’t the only black people in the world, in fact you guys are a tiny minority, black people exist outside of America and we have our own cultures and identities that we can hold onto. Jesus get over yourselves and if she doesn’t consider herself African American because she’s from St Thomas how is that controversial? She’s not African American.

    • Masterpieced

      But black Americans are the most powerful of all black people on the globe. WE fought for the civil rights that all other people enjoy here in the USA.

  • Meka B

    The worse one I read was the Bill Cosby one. Otherwise, technically speaking, Halle Berry’s daughter is more white than she is black. I mean she’s 75% white! With that said, biracial people who want to accept being both races – I don’t see an issue with that. I thought Tiger Woods comment was cute.

  • RB

    Why do some people get upset when multi-racial people identify as multi-racial?

  • 4real

    who could respect someone named super head and how she not mad about being called that ? she don’t respect herself or race for that matter

  • 4real

    sold out as a kid with freemason gear on in pic pushing the gay agenda

  • Harry Chamberlain

    Why should skin colour have anything to do with any arguments? The surgeon who saved my life was not Caucasian. If he had not been born I might be dead right now. Thanks to all whatever their colour or religion who do good in this world.

  • Dee

    Good on them, I think just as much discrimation comes from people labelling themselves as comes from other’s labelling them. When I was at school my friends were just my friends, they weren’t my Indian friend or my Asian friend and I wasn’t their English friend. We were all just Australian kids and none of us labelled each other by ethnicity or anything else. I know have a son with a disability but he is not my disabled son he is just my son. As a consequence he does not expect special or different treatment because of his diability, he expects and is treated the same as all the other kids by his friends, he just happens to have a medical condition to deal with. Like many of the celebrities here I am multi-racial, most of mine just happen to come from west of the Black Sea, but I don’t label myself with any of those ethnicities and I admire those who don’t play up on a particular part of their multi ethnic heritage.

  • kpop-rubrub

    As dense as I think Kerrin Steffans is, she makes a valid point. Black is an identity in the US. Black Americans have a shared history and culture that has developed in this country over many generations. I always tell my friend ” That person’s black, but they’re not BLACK BLACK” Black as in any person of recent African descent and Black as in Americans who are descendants of slaves brought to the US centuries ago are distinct concepts. Like Obama, he is black but he isn’t BLACK BLACK… he didn’t descend from Slaves, he doesn’t share that cultural legacy and identity. Sure he may look like the black black people but his American experience is not the same as theirs. For that reason I don’t think he counts as the first truly black president. Once we have a president that was a descendent of American slaves I can say, only then have we really come a long way in this country.

  • DeanaJ

    I agree with a lot of these celebrities though. I don’t think that a lot of mixed race celebrities should be considered black when they’re not, I’m sorry.

    Zoe Saldana has hispanic roots, Shemar Moore, Rashida Jones, Raven Symone, etc. are mixed with caucasian, halle berry’s daughter is only 1/4 african-american, and Tiger Woods is several different ethnicities; so you can’t just suppress some people’s heritage.

    I don’t think people should hide it if they’re part black but that should not be the only thing they are labeled as- I’m sorry. Technicall,y Barack is the first bi-racial president- that’s it.

  • Emma

    If your mother is white and your father is black how the hell can you be either or? You’re NOT white and you are NOT black. You mix red and yellow it doesn’t make red again…it makes orange a completely different colour with a different name. Doesn’t make it less important but it is still not the same as the original colours involved. Just because someone has a little tan in their skin people are automatically quick to jump and call them black. It don’t work like that. Obama is a prime example. His mother is white. He is 50/50. He doesn’t belong to black people any more than he belongs to white people.

  • Sam

    i have to laugh at Keyshia Cole who says she’s bi racial lol. The same person who’s mother had no clue who her donor was as she was on BET taking paternity test.
    You don’t have to be black i’m sure the black community is fine with you and your trashy family going to the other side.

  • Susy

    Honestly when people talk race in America, they are talking more of what you look like than where your genes came from. I have seen some white looking black people who were looked at sideways when they called themselves black but sure enough they were birthed by black people. I even have a niece who has blond hair and blue eyes on African features. Her parents aren’t even what would be called biracial. She could call herself biracial with no problem but her darker siblings would look silly if they did.
    Race is becoming such a silly term these days because unless you have a Genealogy test in hand many African Americans don’t really know what they are. If it weren’t for prejudice this wouldn’t even matter and we wouldn’t need those race boxes. We would just be whoever we were.

  • Reggie Ashford

    Not only is she black, she loud and ghetto. She needs to stop her BS.

  • Black Girl in America

    I am upset with this publication only because being Black is not always African American. Zoe knows she is Black but she is of Domincan Heritage not United States of America..

  • Pathetic Racist

    yeah black people criticizing people cause they don’t consider themselves black…and they say black people aren’t racists???????????….bs

    • Freword

      No

  • roxan

    i must say the first thing I see in the mirror is my panda eyes when I look at people I see them not the colour and yes eyes are very important so forget about rubbish, am worry about my health and life not colour some people just have strong view of others

  • Linda Goode

    Like James Brown said, “Say it loud; I’m Black and I’m Proud.” How can people be more proud 46 years ago, but now look on something so beautiful with shame? Young people – you’re still black. You can you still be proud.

  • WhatRUSayin?

    Some of the people you have selected for this roundup makes this slideshow potentially libelous.

    Your explanations don’t make sense for Zoe, especially since she has repeatedly said she is black. Nowhere in the quote you cited does she deny being black. She is simply saying everyone has color because white people technically aren’t paper white and black people technically aren’t jet black. She is posing a deeper question about the need to identify people by race and categorize people as “ethnic.”

    And Bill Cosby is simply saying for many black people in America, our link to Africa is tenuous at best. Nowhere in the quote you provided does he say he doesn’t identify with being black.

    Sigh. Clickbait. Isn’t it bad enough that we already have to click through for each page of info on here?

  • Mixed

    I am mixed race. I understand the annoyance of being boxed into one category. I am both Asian and Black. 50/50…I do not prefer one side to the other. In my experience the only people that seem to want to categorize me as one thing have been other black people. I am constantly asked “where are you from?” And my answer is: from here…or from my home state. I know what people are getting at when they ask but I try to turn it into a non-racial question. Of course they add…”oh I mean, what is your ethnicity?” It’s not really the mixed people who have issue with our race…it seems to be everyone else. Everyone is unique and special regardless of their race. Let’s celebrate our differences instead of shaming them.

  • ellbee

    When Tiger said that Cablasian thing, I kinda woke up a bit and realized that we (as a black community) have got to quit trying to stake some “claim” on certain people as being black. And why are we doing that anyway — because they’ve made some money or seem successful or whatnot?
    Time would be better spent searching out our own identities and success, instead of trying to annex people that clearly could care less about it. Tiger, Rashida, Shemar — whoever said these were some fabulous people, that we should try to “annex” them anyway? Kinda like with relationships, if somebody is interested, they’ll find YOU. You don’t need to go begging around after them. If they want to associate as black, fine. If not, that’s just as fine.

  • Freddy West

    Damnnn Whites have messed up a lot of black folks big time!!

  • P R Sutton

    Why can they not just be American? If they were born in the USA then they are American – even more so if their parents and grand-parents were also born in the USA. You aren’t African American – you are American irrespective of the colour of your skin. We have the same ridiculous name of “British Asians” who are third or fourth generation, born in the UK and in some cases never been outside of the UK. It’s not culture – it’s just a way of putting yourself into a “minority group” to seek preferential treatment. You were born in America to American parents – you are American- or you were born in the UK to British parents – you are British. Take away this ridiculous additional tag and maybe we would all get on better

  • I Hate Ghetto Rats !!!!

    Maybe if black thugs would stop committing so much crime in the black communities, people may then no longer be ashamed to be black. The ghetto rats have made it hard for decent black folks. This is why these entertainers don’t consider themselves black. The ghetto rats, like Keisha Coles and her crackhead mother, are a major embarrassment to educated and conservative black people.

    Why do you idiots even care if someone doesn’t want to consider themselves African or black??? It’s really none of your business anyway. You morons need to go clean up your crime infested communities and go raise your out of wedlock kids. You sound like a bunch of jealous haters who are mad because you are stuck in the inner city hood. You always want to claim somebody when the don’t want to claim you. I guess misery loves company.

    • sanza

      bit of generalising going on there – i know loads of white trash

  • Frau Kolb

    If you don’t grow up under the American system of racial oppression you do not relate to the concept of being BLACK. Sorry. It is an AMERICAN hang-up. You are obsessed with race and want others to submit to your Jim Crowe BULLSHIT!

  • thagreatestmanalive

    I learn a long time ago. Don’t claim anyone who won’t claim you. Besides, they are infiltrators in the race of Black people. You ever wonder how people outside of your people find out about a private situations. It’s because of the non-black people in the article.

  • AquaGyrl315

    I guess denying your black heritage is the thing to do when your skin is “colorless”, what does that even mean? Whether that person wants to own who they are or not, when you are looked at your skin color is noted. To all of you who see yourself as just yourself, then take a poll as to how you are truly viewed ethnicity wise and see what you discover. Your blood % says differently.

  • AquaGyrl315

    How should a parent feel toward their child that denies who they are? Me, myself would be deeply hurt, its as if they are ashamed of you.

  • harrymeadows

    These people are famous?

  • Matthew Robinson

    Raven Symone, I still think she is hella talented but she need to stop tripping and trying to act like these white people in Hollywood gonna cast her and turn around her career because she light-skinned and/or trying to denounce she Black. Just stop it, Black people be proud of what and who you are.

    • I Hate Ghetto Rats !!!!

      Did you ever think the reason Raven may be denouncing being “black” is because of the stigma associated with being black???

      Maybe if black folks would clean up your crime infested communities and start denouncing black thugs people would once again be proud to be black. That Ferguson thing is the perfect example as to why some conservative blacks don’t want to be black. You march in the streets and defend a fat thug who ROBBED a store and physically assaulted the store clerk. Where was your concern for that BLACK toddler in NJ who was shot and killed by a stray bullet fired from the gun of a BLACK thug gang member???

      • Matthew Robinson

        You know what, something is really, really, REALLY wrong with you. You’re a loser and probably need to be on suicide-watch. Look at your screen name? You’re probably a racist white or non-Black person or self-hating Oreo cookie Black person. You’re sick and weird.
        I wish you would say half the garbage you just said behind a computer to a real Black person in the hood and you’d be in a coma or the cemetery.
        No matter what other Blacks do I will NEVER, EVER, denounce my race. I’m Black and proud of myself, nappy hair, and the color of my skin. And all the Black entertainers, historic Black figures, etc. who paved the way for me and other Blacks help me hold my head up high.
        I LOVE BEING BLACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SAY IT LOUD BLACK AND PROUD, DEE, DEE, DEET!

    • Tom_F

      A light-skinded sister has got a leg up on her darkers, especially when they soak up all the light. The thing I DO NOT get about Blacks of any gender, is why they deny their African and claim they are “French” by way of Antoine, Rene, Stephan, etc.

  • Matthew Robinson

    People got mad when Tiger said what he said, but I can understand him wanting to combine all the cultures within him. But I also heard somebody say that he thought he wasn’t Black some odd years ago, now that’s what I have a problem with.

    • I Hate Ghetto Rats !!!!

      Why does it matter to you what race or ethnicity Tiger Woods considers himself to be??? He is of mixed ancestry. Why should he claim himself black just to please idiots like yourself???

      • Matthew Robinson

        WHY ARE YOU FOLLOWING MY COMMENTS? GET A LIFE YOU LOSER. FIGHTING BEHIND A COMPUTER. YOU’RE A LOSER, GO GET HELP.

  • SlimveggieLuv

    Rashida can be what she wants to be she doesn’t have to let the media and racist white america define her like ya do. When I first saw her in the office (the series) I thought she was white she looks like a white girl with a tan and if she wants to represent the white side of her and not her daddy side I say go for it. We already have plenty of bi-racial folks who only represent their black side anyways. Yo stay white Rashida

  • Nadian

    Zoe Saldana had always claimed being black though and that quote is just taken out of context because people remove this part:

    “I find it uncomfortable to have to speak about my identity all of the time, when in reality it’s not something that drives me or wakes me up out of bed everyday. I didn’t grow up in a household where I was categorized by my mother. I was just Zoe and I could have and be
    anything that I ever wanted to do…and every human being is the same as you. So to all of a sudden leave your household and have people always ask you, “What are you, what are you” is the most uncomfortable question and it’s literally the most repetitive question. I can’t wait to be in a world where people are sized by their soul and how much they can
    contribute as individuals and not what they look like.”
    I dare you to find faults in the above quote.
    She just hates when people fetishize her about her race, especially in interviews. You’d be sick of it too if you had to constantly explain people what you are and that you can be both black and latina and you can see in every article about her that the comments sections will always have ignorant comments made about her being latina and thus not ‘really black’ (at the same time, white latins hate on her for not being real latina because she’s black)

    from the hollywood reporter interview, this year

    “Q: So is Hollywood getting better about race? Do you feel resistance?
    ZS: I don’t want to spend my life thinking about all the impossibilities I face when I wake up in the morning. But the reality is, I’m a woman of color in America. That itself is enough for you to wake up and go, “Oh, f—!”

    Technically, she’s not afro-american so she doesn’t fit with the current controversy anyway. She’s afro-latina with american nationality. That’s the way she identifies herself with.

    • Nadian

      Is Zoe naive and utopia with the whole ‘people of color don’t exist’? yes, she is because racism exist regardless what she said is the truth because ‘people of color’ shouldn’t need a label put on them just because they’re not ‘white’ .
      most importantly, ‘people of color’ is a term used in the USA but americans need to stop thinking that the whole world is the usa. Black people aren’t all american and it’s presumptuous to want them all to adopt the same labels americans adopt. Do you know how many proud black people outside of the usa reject that term for the same reason, but more eloquently explained, that Zoe said in that quote?

  • Marva Crump

    If it’s one thing she’s not, Karren Stephens is NOT a vidoe model!!!!

  • RJC72

    Zoe looks 100% black, it doesn’t matter if she is or not, she is hispanic but she looks black so it doesn’t matter. It’s the same as Puerto rican people that look 100% black or dominican people that look 100% black and get all freaked out and don’t want to be labeled as American black people. Its kind of hilarious, they need to get over it and except who they are and get past their identity crisis. lol

    • Mny

      you make no sense. Why should Puertorican and Dominican poc call themselves American?? It’s kind of hilarious how egocentric Americans are, regardless their race.

  • shirleythomas

    lol let any of them get lost in a white neighborhood and they will soon find out how black they really are

  • ash

    what if your black and you are from england or africa what will you be than you can’t be african american or will you be african african ?

  • Zero-Tolerance

    I love when whites get freaked out by something they created. In this country if you have even less than a drop of blood in you from a black person, you are black. Thank goodness my kids know they are black regardless of whatever else they have mixed in there.

  • Freddy West

    Are these people for real? They all frigging black and of black ancestry ,I don’t think they have been to school. Damnnnnn

  • Freddy West

    International look? Poor little lost girl ha ha ha ha

  • nick clark

    typical blacks,all wanna be white people lmfao

  • Chris

    Some of these celebrities are bi-racial or multi racial, so I completely understand why they don’t want to be labeled under one category. Who am I to say who and what you are?

  • Sean Davis

    Good on her for refusing to be stuffed into a demographic pigeonhole. The main reason this has caused an uproar is because the political class in this country depends upon identity politics to keep the electorate divided against itself. Want to see real change in this country? Stop mindlessly accepting the labels put upon you by those in power. Those labels aren’t designed to help you – they’re designed to help the power elite.

  • Kenny Sellers

    Is there any way possible that we can elect Bill Cosby President of the United States??….

  • mawil1013

    I admire these people and wish more people would refuse to participate in the labeling of humans. Labeling dehumanizes and once you accept a label, others stop seeing you as a fellow human.

  • Dave

    Blah blah. Go back to Africa.

  • Lace

    I am proud to be black! We all may be mixed with something down the bloodlines but at the end the day black is the more dominant gene. These folks need to embrace who they really are. They seem ashamed to say they’re black. There’s already enough divide in our own communities (black community) and they’re adding to it by publicly saying they’re not black. Smh…

  • quietgirl

    I feel so sad, why is it so important to label any colour or origin? Can’t we just be people?

    I don’t understand all the “American” labeling either! If people are supposed to attach their origins to their nationality, then surly the only ones with the right to just use the term “American” are the “American Indians”, after all, it was their country before it was colonised (although even they are believed to have traveled from prehistoric Asia)! “White” “Americans” were colonists and pilgrims so should they not be referred to as “European American”. Besides all of that, haven’t scientists figured out that we are all from African decent anyway?!

    As far as I’m concerned if you were born in a country (or opted to become a citizen) then that is your nationality, American, British, Spanish, African, Chinese, German, French, etc. If people want to know where your ancestors came from, I’m sure they are capable of asking!

    As for colour, should that not just be descriptive of outward appearance for identification purposes in the same way you would describe your hair or eye colour and unrelated to labels, genetics or family history? Black, brown, tan, yellow, pink, white, whatever!

    I’m not saying people should ignore their families history, but let’s face it, anything achieved whether good or bad, is the accomplishment or deed of that person and has no bearing on your constitution unless you choose them as a role model. But you do not have to select a role model from your own history, we are all human and I am proud to be part of a species containing people who have given their lives helping others, fought against slavery, worked hard to cure disease, and I don’t care one little bit what the colour of their skin was or where their ancestors came from.

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  • Nick

    What exactly is “Black Twitter”? Or “Black Hollywood”? For that matter, why is black capitalized relentlessly in this?

  • Livml

    A lot of these people don’t want to be labeled as AFRICAN American. You can be black from anywhere but only African American from the USA!! And the biracial folks have a point. This isn’t fifty years ago where you had to CHOOSE a side. Saying ignorant stuff like act black, act white, etc is more ridiculous than what these people are saying. They are literally half of each! Sometimes more than half white because the black half is probably mixed from way back when. Never thought I’d say I agree with Superhead, but the Island race experience is NOT the same. Sometimes for better, sometimes for worse.

    • Chris

      I agree with Superhead as well. All blacks are not created equally. Just because we’re black doesn’t mean we’ve all had the same experiences in life. I have a Haitian friend that told me I talk about race too much. I didn’t realize I did, but it made me step back and take a look at myself and American culture.

  • big_rino

    Don’t get it twisted. Raven made this an individual choice. She is a Gaulden
    from Louisiana on her mother’s side, and there are plent of ‘light-skinned’
    black folks in that family tree. But none of the Gauldenw deny they are black. They all range from dark to light and plenty are in the Grambling area to Winnfield all the way to Lake Charles.
    Not even Raven’s mother has ever denied her blackness. This is Raven’s personal choice. Her relatives see her as
    black and always will. The fact that she doesn’t want to be labeled is strictly
    personal and doesn’t reflect on her family…it’s here choice anyway.

    • Atimion

      I don’t know? I got Raven was trying to say she’s not black ( ” I can relate to the White, French, Indian in my blood”) The funny thing about it is the very same “blood” she claim don’t claim her!

  • Hereugo9

    Zoe Saldana is Dominican and Puerto Rican.

  • jonie212

    From what I see no one on this earth is a box of crayons. We were labeled black why?

  • some1

    What a racist article. And what a lot of moronic trolls jumping on twitter to badmouth people over something that is none of their business anyway.

  • Atheist/Sceptic

    This seems like racial bullshit to me – you can only call yourself white if you’re somehow pureblooded Aryan? And if you have a fraction of African heritage (as we all do quite frankly), you can only call yourself black? Halle Berry’s kid is less than a quarter African – when she’s old enough it’s up to her to define herself, or not, as she decides.

  • Fivestar Hough

    raven munched on more carpets then stanley steamers and she is black

  • James Westly

    They are not Black but I bet when their movies come out they want that Black money. And yall dumb idiots continue to support them.

    • bonds

      Thank you, so much. Some one is waking up.

  • Daisy

    If she wants to be white no problem, stupid women.

  • guest

    Looking black and acting black are not the same. This is what makes a lot of educated black people angry. And the whole, “African American” thing is bs. We are American. Period. If you are in America than you are American. Drop the Latino, Italian, Irish, African or whatever and let’s all just be AMERICAN together. We need to quit squabbling and get along. Forget what color you are. Do you bleed red?

  • cichlid76

    If my lips lookin like biscuits, my gums is blue, my heels long and I smell like chicken grease that means I is a nugga

    • black american

      That is wrong on so many levels. Lmbo!!

      • Masterpieced

        And you said LMBO. Why?

  • Lstan

    How can people look at wentworth miller and really think hes 100% white? Those fans who think that sure are sheltered…

  • black american

    At some point, we have to learn how to respect other people’s wishes, especially regarding what they want to be called/labeled or not called/labeled. Grant it, some people are confused or at least seem that way. But we must respect the way in which they have figured it out. I have a biracial brother who totally denounces the white side of himself, to say the least, based upon a life of very deep personal experiences. It wasn’t until recently that I’ve come to really respect that. I will not write out his life story, for this is not a book and I do not want him identified, but I will say that he is highly educated; world renown and respected in his field; and not confused about his personal experiences.

  • Joe

    I think PEOPLE should be able to call themselves whatever they like……..but, no matter what, the proof is in the pudding….so to speak. I did, however, list my relative as white when I was filling out paperwork one time for her to get in nursing school. All of the schools had waiting lists when she was listed as Black, but when we began to list her as white, suddenly all of the schools enrollment slots opened up. I never told her what changes I had made on her paperwork.

  • Norman Ebanks

    When I arrived in this country from Jamaica in the 1960’s, I was told by my teachers NOT to call myself Black, but Negro.
    I went home and my parents told me not to listen to my teachers, that I am Black and not a negro. A few years later, people were chanting “Black Power” and “Black is Beautiful.”
    If you read the comments of the “negroes” above, we are the only people who seek to deny who or what we are.
    The negro from St. Thomas is especially insulting. If it were not for the struggles and sacrifices of American Blacks, she might be cleaning pots in some white folks kitchen!
    WAKE UP, Black People!
    I believe that Dr. Bill Cosby should be removed from this list, as his opinions are in direct contravention to this subject matter! People need to CAREFULLY read is comments.

  • strangeroneuk

    Most of these people are mixed race should they consider themselves white as well or are we still living in the days of the one drop rule? Some of them aren’t even African American at all.

  • annabella

    i absolutely hate being labelled or stereotyped

  • annabella

    i am of color. i am not black my skin is not the same color as my hair. i am coffee skined and i was born in Britain. my parents are of caribbean decent. However my dad is half bangladesh

  • Please Consider This

    Would everyone please leave zoe saldana alone? I understand that she sounds like she’s referring to the myth that “color doesn’t exist” (okay, she is), which is actually kinda dangerous, but the title of this article also suggests she should be referring to herself as african american…. and she shouldn’t. Dominican identity and racial experience is VERY different than African-American racial identity and experience. Of course she is black and some of her ancestors have a similar history in terms of slavery, but black latin culture and history is not the same (no value judgement they are just DIFFERENT). I am black-hispanic and have a white parent. It drives me crazy when people expect me to identify as African-american because my black parent isn’t even from America–haha. I feel like some black people who insist every black person identify the SAME way are ignorant to the varying cultures/ethnicities enveloped by blackness in central america, the caribbean, and south america, and on! Also, yes, every black person in America who can trace their roots back to slavery probably does have some caucasian ancestry. HOWEVER, the experience of growing up as bi-racial (with parents of different races, not just ancestors), is very different. Not saying many people don’t see you as black or you don’t experience blackness in a lot of the same ways. BUT their is something different about having a white parent when you are black and growing up under that condition– it’s weird not sharing a racial identity with the woman who birthed you. I say this from experience. It is a different racial experience, so why wouldn’t you identify yourself differently? I would NEVER say i was white, but it’ll always be a little strange to me that I cannot claim sharing a racial identity with my white mother, but can with my father. Therefore, I opt for a third option beyond just black or white, and that is mixed, but this is often construed as denying my blackness. But you can’t deny that growing up as a POC with two people of different races is it’s own racial experience! I am the same exact complexion as a friend of mine who’s parents are both african american — just because we look alike doesn’t mean we have the same racial exact racial or cultural experience. Race and identity are more than just color. Sorry for the long rant, but it was 25 years in the making 😉

    • Atimion

      I’m from Miami. Fl, and you being mixed, you WOULD be labeled “Black” by the dominant white Cuban population. Even in Latin America there is racism/classism. The “white” population rules and are very funny about color ( even though they have Afro or Ingenious ancestry some where down the line). It’s no different than here.

      • Please Consider

        Yeah, so? I don’t care what some random white person identifies me as. When I identify as mixed or bi-racial I always say black and white afterword. I am black, I don’t deny that. But that is not the only part of my racial identity. I obviously experience racism the same, but I have a different experience of growing up with parents who are of different races and cultures. Sorry, but unless you are biracial you probably won’t ever understand, and that’s okay because I will never understand what it’s like to have parents who are the same race. It’s a huge part of my experience so why wouldn’t it be reflected in the way I identify? Having parents of different races and having distant relatives of various races is different. Most mixed latinos are not necessarily bi-racial OR have parent who are of vastly different racial background than eachother. It’s not the same thing.

        • Atimion

          “Most mixed latinos are not necessarily bi-racial OR have parent who are
          of vastly different racial background than each other. It’s not the same
          thing.”

          Um… how can you say most mixed Latino are nor necessarily bi-racial? Doesn’t “mixed” mean more than one race?

          • Please Consider

            My wording was unclear, apologies. I’m referring to bi-racial as being a product of an interracial relationship (parent A and B are of completely different races/backgrounds), not necessarily of mixed ancestry. Also, I do identify as black latino, it makes sense–but because I have a white parent and that is also an important part of my identity, I also refer to myself as bi-racial.

            • Atimion

              Not a problem.

    • Lisa547

      Your comment isn’t relevant to Zoe Saldana though, she is not biracial. She is black.

      • Please Consider This

        i know, but she is also hispanic i didn’t deny she was black but she should not be identifying at AA

    • black american

      I am going to need you to research Domincan racial experiences as it relates to skin tones. Clearly, you are unaware.

      • black american

        …darker skin tones are just as disdainful there as it is in America, India, and many other places.

        • Please Consider

          I know that, but I’m saying the history and culture there isn’t identical and bottom-line it’s a different COUNTRY, why should a black dominican person have to Identify using the same terminology as a black american person. That’s idiotic.

        • Please Consider

          Also, I’m Dominican, but thanks for explaining my own culture / history to me. Really appreciate it.

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  • Mark Siref

    I don’t get it…I’m white…but I don’t say I’m a white American..look at me ..you can see I’m white…just like I can see if your black , brown or green…So why do you have to tell me your black…I’m not blind or stupid…smh! please we are Americans …period

    • black american

      …and that is the way many “Black” or “African-Americans” FEEL. At the end of the day, that is what it boils down to: feelings based off of personal experiences, many of which carry a history of very deep hurts and pains that are perpetuated and not fully understood by most.

  • noodles

    i think most of them have a good point. why define yourself by your race? why ‘be’ what your skin colour is rather than just ‘have’ that skin colour. I have whatever coloured skin, but i am not my skin colour. i am me, a totally genetically-unique person. it shouldn’t matter what race you are, it’s the individual person themselves that matters. and why should a bi-racial person call themselves black? they aren’t, at least not entirely, they’re bi-racial! they’re just as much whatever other race as they are black! why not apply the rule that they must called themselves white-black!? or grey!? this post is dumb and is basically saying ‘just because you’re black or have a tiny percentage of black in you, you have to call your self black and be proud about it’ – proud of what, exactly!? that you, out of no choice of your own, happened to born as a certain race? who gives a frick! just stop worrying about race, nationality etc and just see people as people. i’m pretty sure its the only way to stop racism and hatred. people are people.

  • Dangerous Lee

    I knew Wentworth was Black (mixed) when I saw him in The Human Stain. I’ve only read things where he makes his ethnic background very clear. It’s part of the reason I love him.

  • ♡《 Nurse Bell 》♡

    It’s one thing to try and disassociate themselves career wise from stereotype casting; however it’s a different ball game to blatantly deny what you are…the combination of black with ‘anything’ , is a beautiful combination.

  • ILikeRealNews

    Zoe Saldana Is a latina so she shouldnt even be on this list because she isnt african american.. lol

  • VJJ

    As for Zoe Saldana she isn’t Black and she shouldn’t be playing a Black woman on the big screen. Leave the rolls that are intended for black women alone because that film I will not support. I for one will not support a film with a woman that is not black playing a Black woman. Nina Simone is not a fictional character she was a Black woman and if she was alive today she would tell you that!!! And they had to paint you darker to play the roll, smh! The color line is alive and well!

    • Lisa547

      Zoe Saldana is black. I’m Dominican descent as well and I am also black.
      When we cease to be black people, we will let you know.

      • smh

        Hahahahaha when we people learn that black (a race) and latina (an ethnicity) aren’t mutually exclusive terms?

    • Atimion

      Zoe is a Black-Latina.

  • VJJ

    I’m surprised at Keyshia Cole! I am a proud Black Woman, in my opinion I do not want any one in the race that do not want to be in the race. So all who say that they aren’t Black I don’t consider you Black. You aren’t needed or welcome.

  • billythekid122

    It go’s like this when Tiger woods win a golf champion ship they have people all colors dancing with joy all around them . That is when them people that say they not black start saying I ‘am black . But when he makes the news fighting with his wife they say I ‘am not black . To the public . They not fooling any one but them selves .

  • Nancy James

    regarding Keyshia Cole, According to her previous show, her mother Frankie wasn`t sure who her Daddy was , so how does Keisha know she`s biracial ? Interesting how people try to deny their ethnicity when its convenient .

  • Darcampb

    Raven never said she wasn’t black, dear. Listening comprehension not your strong suit?

  • I never thought the most intelligent view in this article would be expressed by Karine Steffans. I know from experience that islanders and true Africans have a a completely different mentality than Black Americans, in fact a lot of the time they try to distance themselves from us altogether.

  • sj

    I’m half English half Jamaican and i realx my hair because I cant do a damn thing with it! 🙂

    • black american

      I hear ya “sista”.LOL. Although there are many product lines available, I just can’t do the natural thing right now. However, I can say I’m “proud to be nappy” because I’m not ashamed of my very course hair (sometimes even after a relaxer). LOL.

  • Lisa547

    To be honest, I didn’t really find anything wrong with what Karrine Steffans or Shemar Moore said. But yes, some of these people are just straight delusional. And I found Zoe Saldana’s comment very confusing.

    But I don’t see a problem with saying you’re not technically African American if you were not born in the United States. That’s not the same thing as denying that you are black (*coughkeyshiacolecough*).

  • Genia W-m

    Karrine Steffens is an islander and that’s how most of them identify, with their country. Also, if you’re not biracial or raised a biracial child please stop trying to force your identity on them. Shemar Moore is honoring his mother as well as his father by naming both of his heritages.
    Bill Cosby’s quote was hilarious but there’s a new book out about Bill and how selfish he was to his wife Camille and his deviance toward women. He had so many women saying he drugged them for sex.

  • waxx

    For the people who REALLY care, these people are black. You call tell other people you aren’t- but the police, the suspicious store clerk, and the judge all know you’re black.

    • Confused?

      I’ve heard this argument a lot, but think it’s a little simplistic. I don’t get why you need to identify as african-american based off of what other people think you are, especially those with prejudices. I get it, you’re saying that a person who is black in some respect will be perceived by all racists as black and therefore experience racism as an african american would. But why are racists the ones who get to decide racial identity? Funny story, my friend is middle-eastern and grew up in the south. Instead of being referred to by ignorant idiots as a “terrorist”(the typical horrible fair that many middle eastern people have the misfortune of putting up with post 9-11) he has more often been told to “go back to mexico.” Should he identify at latino? Hahaha I know this isn’t a perfect comparison, but just because some racists are going to go about being racist towards you that doesn’t mean you share all other aspects of a racial experience with other people of color or black ancestry. Also, none of these celebs above denied being black (a skin color, of both distant or recent african ancestry), they denied being african-american, which is tied to more cultural and historical meanings in the U.S.A (and the U.S.A. alone) OR they simply refused to identify as ONLY black or ONLY african-american. d

    • black american

      “It only takes one drop”, and I’ll say to anyone who thinks times have changed to the extent that this statement is outdated, “YOU ARE DELUSIONAL, hopeful at best”.

  • Nikesha Goodman

    I’m not African American either, I’m just a brown person who is an AMERICAN. I have never been to African and am not, nor have I ever been an African citizen. It’s a stupid term and I don’t identify with it either. Rayvon didn;t say she wasn’t black, she rejects the PC term white people have tried to give us to make us feel more at home. My 6 yr old won’t even recognize us as black people. Even at her age she thinks its absurd because we are not BLACK we are brown. And she is very right. She won’t call white people white because she thinks they are tan or lighter brown also. Even young kids can see how the labels are stupid.

  • Paul Cruz

    why is it so important to be a color? wouldn’t we all get along better if we threw away those dividing lines and just called ourselves Americans? isn’t that what we all rally for when we are under attack by foreign entities trying to harm us? I personally applaud them for their position, but then I have been an American all my life and got this backlash as a kid growing up, because I was taught to be American and I embraced it. I still do, regardless of the haters and negative reactions, I do not live my life being a color and didn’t raise my children to be either and they are all successful professionals and also proud to be Americans.

  • fineline

    This article is ridiculous. First of all, African American is not Black; I’ve known this since middle school. So I don’t know why the title says “…not African American”, but the slideshow includes people who don’t call themselves Black. Secondly, who cares? America is so caught up on race it is not even funny. I’m “Black” and I don’t even know what Black means anymore. Hell, I used to think it meant darker skinned or of color, but what do you call a dark Indian or a pale child? Then, it might mean the Black experience, but if you grew up in another country (like Supahead) do you have the Black experience and can you call yourself Black? Stupid! Also, how colored is “colored”? THE ONLY REASON I SAY I AM BLACK IS BECAUSE I AM DARK-SKINNED AND I’VE HAD THE BLACK EXPERIENCE (AGING, HYGIENE, AND CERTAIN ACTIVITIES) BUT MISS ME WITH THE WHOLE SOLIDARITY OF RACE, WATERMELON AND FRIED CHICKEN STUFF.

  • CTROCK

    I think I get what the people are talking about with the exception of that first girl Model, Keyshia, Superhead and Gabriel Aubrey. <— I have no ideal what them jokers are talking about . But the others I don't think they are denying that they are black – I think they are just tired of the labels – like why can't I just be a person. idk – just my opinion – i could be wrong.

    • black american

      Because. If you live on Earth, skin color and race matter, even when it should not.

  • whatever

    The only thing Keyshia Cole is mixed with is Hood and Rat.

    • black american

      You slay me!!!!!

    • MajorKinksnCoils86

      niiiice!

  • Dog eFFing Tired

    Yo mama’s so black she bleeds smoke

    Yo momma so black when she got out the car the oil light came on

    Yo mama’s so black when you go swimming it looks like an oil spill.

    Yo Momma So black, she was born with bad credit.

  • whatever

    The only thing Keyshia Cole is mixed with is Hood and Rat.

  • P.

    We went from “Say it loud… I’m black and I’m proud”…

    To screaming from the roof tops how gay and black you were once you came out only to say you don’t want to be labeled as such? (even Oprah had to tell her to expect backlash and rightfully so).

    MLK and Malcolm didn’t die for this

    • Freeordie

      Dr King stated that his dream was that the color of anyone’s skin would be irrelevant.

      • black american

        ABSOLUTELY NO disrespect to Dr. King, but “Dream on Dreamer”.

        • Freeordie

          It will come to pass G-D willing but whites and blacks have to let go of some silly notion that people are different.

          • black american

            People ARE different in countless ways, which is a great thing. I believe GOD is willing, it’s people who are not. I love you and I don’t know/care what color you are, because I have the love of GOD in my heart.

            • Freeordie

              Individuals are different, people are people

  • Dona Deri

    Let’s not confuse race with nationality. Race is the color of the skin, nationality is the status of belonging to a particular nation. Brown skin = black Race. Nationality = American. I know that’s not how majority of Americans see it, but that is what it is and shouldn’t be confused but let’s be honest, everyone in this country is African-American.

    • Freeordie

      Bingo

    • Is see what you’re saying…

      Sorry, but that’s over-simplifying things. The term African American is loaded with historical and cultural meaning specific to black people in the U.S. For example, if a person is a black latino but has a U.S. citizenship or was even born here, that does not make them African-american, becuase that term negates the latino culture with which they identify. The term African American is not sufficient for that individual. Maybe afro-latino american or black latino american, but AA suggests a different cultural and historical context— not extremely different, but also not exactly the same.

  • Reyna

    Some people (especially stars) don’t wanna be considered ‘black’ because black is basic. It’s sooo much more exotic to be thought of as ‘from the islands’ or ‘mixed with french’. *please note my sarcasm*.
    Now, I can see why literally half white or half chinese people don’t want to be considered black. If you have a parent who’s a TOTALLY different race then of course you shouldn’t just consider yourself black…that’s not what you fully are! as shemar moore said, you’re just as much white as you are black. That’s not offensive. But if you have a great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandfather who’s another race and since then it’s been pretty much black people…c’mon now…
    If that’s the case, none of us are really black unless we’re from straight Africa. Our ancestry is much too complex.
    And I think we wound up being called ‘African’ americans because people assumed, based on the color of our skin…that our ancestors are automatically from Africa like they’re the only blacks that exist.

  • PolkaDots

    I have no problem with Shemar’s rationale. He IS half Wh!te so he just seems to feel that he doesn’t have to choose.

    I really don’t have a problem AT ALL with anyone not saying what they are because it’s PERSONAL, foremost, and it has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with their WORK. It boxes you in and all people want to do is CLAIM you and then QUESTION why you do certain things since you should be in a box.

  • Toni Jones

    I BET if Africans were high on the radar meaning a very WEALTHY NATION and doing well for that Continent then every light skinned, and every other skinned would want to be a part of AFRICA. But since it is a very poor and under represented continent, stripped of everything humanly possible, Those that don’t want to be apart of the diaspera want to be recognized as anything that is going to get them ahead in this racially charged world.

  • marissa

    Sooo….what should all the “white” or Arab people born on the continent of Africa, that live in the U.S call themselves? Read a book, do some traveling outside of North America. It’s seems that people only hear what they want to hear, to make themselves feel better.

  • Pay Rene

    I kinda agree with superhead…

  • Artrell

    Karrine Stephans is an idiot. MANY slaves in fact came from the islands…

  • Damon Tarklin

    This reminds me of my friend’s mother (who is about 48 years old). She got a new job, big pay raise, and all of a sudden she started saying that racism “no longer existed”. Then some months later she went out on her first date with a white man. Five minutes into the date he says “So what do you like to do for fun? Drive-bys?” Lol, she told him she was going to the restroom and never came back.

    People get a little bit of money and all of sudden they want to distance themselves from black people.

  • samech

    Why don’t some of these people who claim they are not black, ask the police what color they are..?! They’ll set the record straight…..

  • The Elusive Chanteuse

    i dont think saying that you’re not african american is not saying that you’re black. West Indian, African, and Euro Africans are not African American. They’re all black but have their own separate cultures. I also understand African Americans not wanting to be labeled as such because it sounds like a second class citizen. Like you’re not really American and dont pay the same taxes. However, anyone who claims to be international or not black because their great grand mother went on a date with a white man that one time and may have kissed him needs to have a seat!

    • wingman

      Yes black ppl in France would have a differenr culture than black ppl in the U.S. or the Blacks in In the Dominicanmeans of African Descent…All black ppl are from Africa, the black ppl around the world that live in America, Haiti, Jamaica, Brazil , France, Italy, Spain.. Are all of African Descent, whether you like it or not,. I live in America, never been to Africa, I don’t know anything of African Culture but either way, I am African because I am black, I am of African Descent.

    • wingman

      I respect the culture aspect.. Yes black ppl from the islands or black ppl in France would have a different culture than black ppl in the U.S. or the Blacks in In the Dominicans. He’ll
      Black ppl from New York have a different culture from black ppl in Atlanta lol but black means of African Descent…All black ppl are from Africa, the black ppl around the world that live in America, Haiti, Jamaica, Brazil , France, Italy, Spain.. Are all of African Descent, whether you like it or not,. I live in America, never been to Africa, I don’t know anything of African Culture but either way, I am African because I am black, I am of African Descent.

      • The Elusive Chanteuse

        ummmm okay its hard to read someone’s tone in comments.i’m sensing a bit of shade. you may identify yourself as African descent and thats great. i’m not really understanding where you disagreement is from. I never said that West Indians, Africans, and Euro Africans were not black. I said that they were not African Americans. I also dont think there’s anything wrong with someone not wanting to be referred to as African American. White people don’t have to constantly hail their heritage. If you’re an American, that should be your nationality, period. And black should be your race. The term African American implies that you’re renting space here or that you dont belong.

      • Freeordie

        All people are from Africa-black, white, asian.
        What do you call someone who is white who was born in Africa but is now a US citizen? African American

        Jamaican-Hey Mon I would like to become a US citizen
        White person-Ok, We’ll put you down as African American
        Jamaican-No Mon, Me Jamaican, never been to Africa
        White Person-You want to stay?
        Jamaican- African American Mon!

        -Trevor Noah, African Comedian on why black people who are born in the US are just Americans like everyone else.

        • wingman

          White person is of European Descent. Black person = African Descent. Asian person = Asian Descent. It’s common sense. Jamaicans are indeed Jamaican. But where are Jamaicans ancestors from?…… AFRICA.

          • Freeordie

            Yeah, no, what about Arabic people? The rest of the world calls white and black and arabic people from Africa- AFRICANS.

            If you are black or any other color and you were born in the US you are an American.
            THAT’S COMMON SENSE.

            • wingman

              “If you are black or any other color and you were born in the US you are an American.
              THAT’S COMMON SENSE.”

              Good Luck telling the Police that when you get stopped lolol

              • Freeordie

                You let the police tell you whether you are an American or not?

                • wingman

                  If he has a gun yeh lol

            • wingman

              But yes I am american. But I am of African Descent. The same way a black person in Haiti is Haitian.. But they are of African Descent.

              • Freeordie

                That’s different, say if your German or British ancestors got here in 1850, would you call yourself German American or British American today? English American? NOPE
                Haitians don’t call themselves African Haitians. They call themselves Haitians.

                Once you are born in the US that’s it, you are an American.

                • wingman

                  I didn’t say I wasn’t American, I am American but my race is black meaning I am of African Descent. I am proud of my heritage

                  • Freeordie

                    Good for you, be proud of what ever you want.

                • wingman

                  The German or British ppl whose ancestors came here in 1850, would be white ppl in America, who are of European Descent

                  • Freeordie

                    Again that’s different, Notice you didn’t say British American

                    • wingman

                      Thats just how America is…For example research “how the Irish became white” in the early 1900’s “White ” ppl distanced themselves from Irish Immigrants, but they realized it was best all whites UNITE to oppress blacks… historically black ppl and white ppl have obviously had completely TWO DIFFERENT experiences in America..yes.. In an ideal world yes..All ppl r humans..all ppl in America are Americans but as a black person to simply call myself American, would neglect the 400 years of fighting and struggling in this country that my African Ancestors went through. Rayven or any other black person has the freedom to call themselves black if they want..but as long as they know they are of African descent….

                    • Freeordie

                      Thats just how America is…. yes because treating people differently is a great way to keep them down.

                    • wingman

                      So thanks u agree America has unfortunately mistreated blacks. Glad we r on the same page

  • To look at me folks are confused as to “what” I look hispanic, bi-racial, “mixed” as they say but I tell them…I am black just not African American. I was born in Haiti and my great- grandparents were French from France. There are so many halves to claim being a whole of anything French but I was raised here in America. Culturally the native language of French/Creole was spoken at home. Values were passed down however; I am American as well.Am I wrong?

    • Tonie

      If we met, as soon as you told me where you were from, I would call you haitian american out of respect for where YOU come from. Would that be wrong?

      • These things don’t offend me at all so you can and could.
        I have been here since I was 2 so I got the best of both worlds.

  • Tonie

    Is there a difference between being called “black” and being called “afro american? I mean I’m black all day regardless of what I’m mixed with because thats how America sees me, but I dont know a thing about Africa. Neither does my mother or grandmother. People directly from Africa are Afro American. Africans don’t even call us African American.

    • Tonie

      I do have a problem with “mixed” people who don’t want to be “labeled”. Newsflash: it’s too late.

    • The Elusive Chanteuse

      I think black refers to your “race”. African American is more so your nationality or cultural background. Because West Indians, Africans, And Euro Africans are all black, but you would refer to them as African Americans

  • BlackJesuscom

    Although they may deny what they are, their God given hair, skin, lips and butt tell the truth.
    Its interesting that when ever we deny our African heritage, it becomes headline news. Its this denial that’s causes us to spend 98% of our $1 trillion buying power with everyone else but ourselves. While other minority groups go out of their way to support and spend money with one another first. She exemplifies the state of denial to many of our people are in.

  • tita

    I am going to say it loud, I am black and I am proud. To each their own but no matter where I am in life, how rich I may get or if I happen to become famous, I will always be black. Nowadays a lot of people want to disassociate themselves from being labeled black or African American because of the issues that are going on and being black these days is seen as a crutch I guess to some people. Not to me though, I am different and I like being different. Black people take a lot of crap from everyone in society including people who are black but I know who I am because God has seen it fit to instill in my heart that I am somebody no matter what man has to say about my outside appearance. Tupac said it best “last of a dying breed” Isn’t that the truth. Everybody want to be mixed with something.

  • Angela

    I understand that you don’t want to claim that you are “black or african american”. Most of these people seriously have their heads stuck in the sand. Especially Tiger Woods. He is the king of telling people that he is not black. We will definitely find out when they make the news of getting arrested or get in some kind of trouble or when time passes. There are some people like President Obama I give him some credit, he will say that his mother is white, but maybe I have missed it, I have never heard him saying that he is bi-racial. He says that he is a black man who mother is white.. I wish people would stop denying black if they are part black as if something negative. As I say, let them get in trouble or make the news for doing something stupid.

  • blogdiz

    This Article and some of the thread is somewhat disingenuous there is a big difference between denying ones blackness versus rejecting the name African American. The same way AA ancestors made the journey from Africa to America is important enough for AA to claim Americanism there are people whose ancestors made a similar journey through Trinidad, Panama Jamaica wherever and claiming that country means something to them.

    The Myopia and tone deafness each time this matter comes up is mind-numbing for the umpteenth time America is NOT the WORLD there are black people all over the world In the Caribbean Central /South America etc that are very proud of being of African Descent.

  • jozzi

    A lot of people think that coz they come from some islands then they are latinos….there´s nothing like black latino,black european,black american etc..we all are where our roots are even after a million yrs…just learn to accept that you´re african blablabla

  • Trini_Angel

    It doesn’t matter, ur all black. Some (like Rashida) may not look it but even if u insist that ur not ‘African’ UR BLACK……so get over it! If either of them are arrested, they would be identified as black or mixed. Its the worse when a black person’s great-great-great grandfather had an inkling of another race, they insist they’re ‘mixed’….more like mixed up!!!

    • sj

      sounds like envy…you are the only one who is mixed up!

  • Not Ghanaian

    European Chinese
    Australian German
    South American Nigerian
    African Chilean
    Asian Sudanese
    North American Brazilian

    Do any of those terms mean anything? Why aren’t they widely used?

    The term African American makes no sense to me. Neither does black. Pick a country. Most slaves in the NA trade ended up in Ghana…just say you are Ghanaian American, and love up and learn the culture of Ghana. If that doesn’t float your boat, choose another country in Africa where you determine your ancestors came from. I think that would lead to a real national pride.

    • Nadifa Foulds

      This is pure ignorance. Why would I claim a country and a culture, when I have my own culture with its own rich history, literature, music, achievements and traditions? “African-American” is honestly just a name for our culture and should be no more confusing than the misnomer of Greenland or Iceland or Deustchland. Actually go read any European history- Spain and Frances Pyrenees border and its naming, Celts, Saxons, Britons, germanic tribes ANY of them, and none of the names are completely accurate or intuitive. White people pretty much invented the practice of inaccurate naming, so why people trip up over the name “African-American” today is just a matter of modern-day idiots attempting to sound intelligent (but are obviously ignorant of human history).

  • Mark Gowans

    Bill Cosby and Tiger Woods are the only ones on this list I’ve never heard of. That probably says more about me though 🙂

  • Sunni_Dee

    This is my thing…no other country presses their citizens ( or noncitizens) to identify the way that America does. Its gotten to the point where when other point it out, groups of people get angry with them. Saying your are noty African American doesn’t mean you aren’t black, it means you aren’t African American. I KNOW I am black. I amd NOT African American. I am Hispanic. Outside of the Native Americans, no one in this country has the right to be just “AMERICAN” than black people. This country was built on the sweat equity of your ancestors. Why should you be a sub culture of America when your roots are the reason for this country’s progress?

  • Augustina Lastofadtingbreed Mo

    This is what I dnt understand, there is African Diaspora presence all over the world there are Black Dominicans, Black Puerto Ricans, Black Asians and the list goes on. The only difference between them is their culture other than that they still originated in Africa. Now bc we have different cultures doesn’t mean we can’t connect with each other. I believe that another reason to keep us separated from one another when we all can learn from each other.

    • Sunni_Dee

      The irony is that the only group people who are seperate out of the group are americans…. can give you a quick experiment if you are near a college. Get 10 black students together. 4 American and all the others international. the 4 American will move to one another and seperate themselvesa from the group. The 6 International students may note even speak the same language but will attempt a social interaction

      • Masterpieced

        I disagree. Why is there a China Town if they seek integration?

  • Mae

    Are we really jumping down people’s throats for not associating with an ethnicity they’re not familiar with or weren’t exposed to growing up?

  • Real Afro

    Just to be quite blunt most of these Celebs claiming not to be associated with Afro/African/black Celeb Relax there hair …just saying (not all but most) that’s not a white girl thing or any other cultural thing. They need to let there are Afro free!!!! Then they might have some clarity … Every six weeks mad ting

  • Shaena Richardson

    I can really indentify with what Karrin said..also being a Virgin Islander…I do not indentify with AA culture I am not considered AA by AA standards and If I get into and Altercation with AA they are all but to Happy to remind me ..that my country is that-a-way and they would like me to go back lol.. I hate being grouped into the AA race category being forced to check a box and be a person you don’t identify with it’s like an Identity crisis and doesn’t regard my people and my experience if I going to racially identify ..Afro-West Indian is more appropriate.. but no such an option.. it’s notfair that White Americans ..dont a have. Prefix such as European American…and maybe if they were forced to claim something other than American it wouldn’t be this sense of entitlement.. in this country they are regarded as higher than the Natives and that is ridiculous how is it that the natives get a prefix but they don’t: ( it’s not fair..and we should push for all racial groups to have a prefix or to do away with it..entirely ..that’s how I feel..

  • jal1009

    It’s about time! Too bad they all don’t feel that way, if they did, this country would be more harmonious. I just have gained a ton of respect for these people. Kudos to you !

  • BrittBrat2005

    I think whole thing about is we don’t go around saying European American, Asian American, Hispanic American but they go around call us African American when some us never been to Africa and on top that not all blacks are from Africa it has been listed that there where black Indians here in united states before Africans where brought here.. I think the “African” thing get to some people… Not only that Some Africans hate when black people of America call African-American they say its disrespectful to they culture of Africa

    • Trendsetter

      YUP. we need to stop using the word.

  • bettiijones

    People love to pass for White like being african its a shame.
    Being black is in your melanine some mixed ppl with fair skin dont crack like white ppl because of them genes.
    Black is a color indian kanak aborigens negrito in asia…. are black but not african descent.
    Sham descent for some but not the african part.
    Being african is a blessing. Try to be mature stop trusting everything white ppl say and show u.

    Learn your story. Being African is in your DNA . Is in your history.

  • dreamon1978

    You all forgot Beyonce the Creole Queen. Isn’t she French and Natve American…LOL

    • Nica La

      Beyonce’s is black her mom is a black Creole and her dad is all negro. The heifa is black!

      • I Hate Ghetto Negros !!!!

        You sound like a jealous ghetto rat.

      • Masterpieced

        You say it like it is not good that she is black. Is it a put down to be black?

  • allie1234

    Keshia, how are you biracial when you do not even know who your father is? Your mom was a prostitute, he could be black.

  • Nica La

    Seriously? A quick question for those that grew up in the islands. How do you think that black population came to the islands? Learn your history because slavery was there too.
    And people need to remember something. No person of color would have their undeniable inalienable rights of the constitution if not for the “black or African American community. ”

    What irritates me about all of those listed up in article is that they will be black by convenience. When it boosts their career or when they’re racially profiled.

    • OLR

      i didn’t read your comment before i made mine but i feel the same way. They’re black when it’s all good. Keyshia is black when she wants me to spend my black money on her black trashy album..but then she’s not sure if she’s black enough when all sales are final..what a stupid biyotch.

    • Trendsetter

      i think her main point was that she was raised differently. The history may have intertwined but the culture is different.

    • An

      Maybe you need to reread the history books, but many Caribbean countries obtained those “inalienable rights” far before the US amended their constitution (over 10 years to be exact). The US was among the last counties to abolish slavery, and seeing as most islands were owned by the British, French, Spanish etc. slavery was abolished there initially. America followed the lead of the European colonies in an attempt to not be isolated in trade (remember Ab didn’t free blacks because he loved them, there was an agenda).

      Being a black woman of complete Caribbean descent, I understand completely what karrine was saying. The cultures are different. We don’t deny being black, we deny your culture. Not because it’s wrong or less than, but simply because it is not us. I lived between America and my respective home island for 16 years (spending half a year in both places). I have experienced the difference first hand. Yes, society sees me as AA however that’s not who I am. My people came from across the Caribbean (even some from Great Britain whom I don’t identify with due to cultural and physical differences) therefore that’s what I know. I too get offended and correct those who call me African American, because even though it is a wonderful country, my identity is as a Caribbean gyal.

      • Nica La

        I do know the history of many of the Caribbean islands and what you said isn’t true for all ESPECIALLY in reference to islands like the DR and PR. Secondly lets get technical there are more Islanders coming to America than American blacks living in the islands statically. So in that reference who’s piggy backing off of whom?

        No one asked you to CLAIM African American culture but then again from my experience with a lot of Caribbean islanders why are you so shocked when you come over here and get treated like African Americans?

        Secondly please dont tell me about Abraham Lincoln. I know the history of that man very well. One of the nooks I read that expound on him is by Lerone Bennett’s Jr. Forced In to Glory.

        Thirdly wven though you are not African American many if the Caribbean islanders dont help to alleviate any of the problems affecting the black community overall which affects black islanders as well.

        Also you made the point to tell me that many black Caribbean islanders know they are black and claim as well. From my experience of living in Florida thats absolutely not true. Especially those fro. The DR PR abd Cuba. They claimed nationality not ethnicity and treated black Americans horribly. Not all were like that but most. So yes we are in agreement with that. But you also need to realize that many caribbean islanders in the entertainment industry in acting or music start out by getting love and support FROM the black American community especially for those that were biennium america then to disassociate yourself with our community is a slap in the face.

        • islandgirl

          What do those three countries have in common with other that you mentioned? They are all spanish speaking countries. St. Thomas is an english speaking island. There is a big difference in ideology. Also from my understanding a lot of the cubans in florida are the white ones and not the black or mixed ones. DR is a mulatto/tri racial country. PR same thing. The history of those three islands/countries are so different that you can’t use your experiences with them as a measuring stick for the rest of the caribbean. Since the Caribbean consists of english speaking, french speaking, spanish speaking and dutch speaking islands.

          • Nica La

            The fact of the matter is they are people of the Caribbean islands. If we want to get more technical we can talk about those from St. Lucia, Jamaica, and Haiti to name a few when I was in Florida. Their attitude was SIMILAR to those of the PR and Cuba in regards to black Americans. So lets NOT get it twisted. I usually get along with EVERYBODY so imagine my suprise before I moved down there I was told by quiet a f African Americans that American blacks dint get a long with a lot of the black caribbean and Hispanic community. I didn’t believe that til I got down there. So mo my measuring stick docent pertain to tjose islands just of Hispanic descent. There’s a real problem down there which is sad cause we as a black community shouldn’t be going through this. My point is regardless of nationality blacks in this country are all ONE PEOPLE and need to act like!

            What irritates me the most is you and those like you are those celebrities and other black folks that think.like that A PASS ON BEING BLACK BY CONVENIENCE!! I dont get a pass for being black in this country or only when it suits my purposes! So why should they get one? I get a pointed reminder that im black all the time in this country.

            What’s interesting is that those who are from those places or family is from there and live up north in America dont have that trifling attitude towards black Americans seen in the south. We get along better cause tgey understand we all go through the same BS in this country. Im not saying you and others like you gotta claim to be African American in this country but recognize that you’re apart of the black community. If not dont complain when getting racially profiled and then start screaming im black cause many black americans dont want to hear it!

            • islandgirl

              I hear what your saying. I actually live in the Caribbean and not the states. The thing is persons tend to stick with people that they are familiar with or share similarities with. You will have some that would break away from the group and interact with other people but for the most part people in general like to stick with their own.

              But you must note that sharing a history of slavery does not unite people neither does skin colour. In the Caribbean nationality is placed before race. You are a St. Lucian, Barbadian, Jamaican, Kittian etc. first before you are black, white, asian etc.

              Therefore when persons from the Caribbean move to the states they seek out persons who are similar with them culture wise and not so much racially. The africans do the same thing, so do the chinese, japanese and other ethnicities.

              All Caribbean people are not black some are asian, arab, white, mixed etc. and what unites us is our culture not our race. African American to me is term to describe a person of african descent whose forefathers were slaves in the USA and who share a common culture. Therefore the term African American is an ethnicity and not a race and should not be used to describe persons of african descent

              • Nica La

                African American is not a term necessarily for ethnicity. If you happen to be a person of African descent and are american born you can choose to call yourself that regardless of where you’re born. Its not a title forced on anyone. Black is more if a term of ethnicity. It doesn’t matter whete you’re from for you to be black. You can be Asian from what I’ve personally seen and beblack.

            • Atimion

              PREACH GIRL!! I LOVE IT!

  • Christan-Joy Demeritt

    Here’s the BEAUTIFUL thing about being of African ancestry, no matter what “labels” you try to do away with, no matter how blue the contacts, or how Brazilian the weave, YOU CAN’T CHANGE YOUR DNA! and you shouldn’t want to.

  • NewYorkBunny

    Oh, really Shemar? You think they pulled you over to ask where you go tanning? I get Karrine because us islanders don’t grow up seeing black and white, we see Americans period and us. But I think she’s lived here long enough to understand what it means to identify with African Americans. Cosby, maybe I need to read more about that because it sounded to me like he was just saying there’s a difference between Africans who know their roots and African Americans who don’t. Finally, I’ve lost all respect for Micheal Scofield. So, you hide your identity to get by in school but have no problem using it to get a part? That’s shameful.

  • Fair and Balanced

    How about just being American instead of adding your culture to it. Regardless of whether you are of African, Irish, Italian or any other decent if you were born in America you are American why allow what is rightfully yours to be stripped away.

    • Christan-Joy Demeritt

      What part of you is being “stripped away” if you’re claiming both your ethnicity AND your nationality? In fact, isn’t that being completely inclusive?

  • Augustina Lastofadtingbreed Mo

    the only difference between Dominican Puerto Rican Jamaican Haitian Cuban Bahamian African American is a boat stop.

    • Trendsetter

      Learn what culture is.

      • Augustina Lastofadtingbreed Mo

        Trendsetter please sit down if you don’t agree what I said fine but it doesn’t mean I don’t know what culture is. I know plenty so miss me with the b.s..

        • Trendsetter

          Explain what culture is then. What you think it is and what it is defined by may be different though.

    • quashi

      Not exactly…different upbringing and values!

  • honeybee808

    i see why wentworth may not broadcast his heritage, it’s not about denying it, but it probably allows him to see where people are really coming from. rashida said something along the lines that it breaks her heart the things that people have said to her assuming she was white. i’ve even had white people say crazy things about other groups because i assume they thought i would be on board with that ish.

  • I_am_a_Gladiator/Scandalista

    The only person I think spoke sense was Shemar. I understand why he wouldnt want to be labeled as a black actor instead of just an “actor” due to being stereotypicaly casted. An actor is just an actor regardless of the color he is

    • putput

      How much job does he get in non black movies?

      • I_am_a_Gladiator/Scandalista

        Maybe not in film but in television he isnt doing bad

  • sarasefree

    anytime you belong to any kind of group with superhead you dumb as fuq…..yep they are not totally black so its kind of unfair to just say they are but when the whites reject their a$$es they’re are quick to jump on the black band wagon.

  • rockei

    I don’t understand why it matters to those that identify as “African-American”. I’m the only native born in my family, I don’t like being called “African-American” because I’m not! We (as in my family) is Afro-Cuban and Jamaican. Now I do understand that we had to come from somewhere and obviously Africa is it, but to lump every brown skinned person into that identifiable category is a bit much.

  • Define2

    In America people internalize the negative connatations of the word black so that if someone dare try to paste that label on them they are outraged. Personally folks can call themselves whatever they want, I don’t care but if you look black to me that’s what you are.

  • RealityCheckSista

    “Everybody WANTS to be Black but nobody actually wants yo BE Black” All of the rewards, money and praises that comes from us but none of the struggle

  • Lee

    Or perhaps it should be explained to Ms. Steffans that race is not determined by place of birth. The world is mobile. Lots of caucasians are born in the continent of Africa. Charlize Theron is more African than 99% Blacks in the US. Her birth says so. She is however not Black. And lots of Black people from African descent are born in Scandinavia and other European countries particularly UK, Germany, and Netherlands. They are all still Black race. They take on the culture of the place they were born. For example, in Germany, there are several generations of Black Germans. They will say they are of African descent but German identify with German culture, language, sports, etc. In the Caribbean, Blacks come in every skin tone including those light enough to pass for white and those Black enough they can’t explain their whitish looking parents or blood siblings. The discussion is beyond stupid and I feel stupider for engaging in it.

  • empress123

    Everyone is NOT mixed with something. Why do people keep telling that lie? White people are the minority race of the world so there is no way that their blood has infiltrated the pure blood races that have outnumbered them for centuries. Also I am of Caribbean descent as well and we may not be considered African American but we sure as hell are Black and our ancestors were friggin slaves just like Black Americans so that is another lie. The only difference is that we were rhe majority and were able to experience independence from white people earlier. The Caribbean islands know what it is to have Black leaders for longer but outside of that we have had the same struggles with white people and their white supremacy. Btw Karrine St. Thomas is US territory so tou still are technically A YANKEE lol

    • Trendsetter

      You just repeated what these guys said in another way…waste of your own time.

  • buhle

    As a black south african, I have no qualms about Americans with African ancestry. What I do have an issue with is the pretentious attitude some of you come with when u come to my country, claiming to be in ur motherland when u dont even venture north of africa to ur real motherland. Historically, black americans ancestors are located on the north western tip of africa (gambia, senegal, guinea bissau etc.) so I was particularly pissed when Oprah claimed she was Zulu. One thing, many of you know little about Africa as a continent or nothing at all. In my most angered state, i would say “hell! U aren’t african. You dont live it, feel it or understand it!” Some of u might agree or disagree but don’t come to my place of attachment, look down on my way of life, criticise my environment and thank god u live in america the land of the “free” while u try to stake ur claim on the WRONG LAND! Africa is a CONTINENT not a country. With countries, myriads of ethnic groups with the black race. We are the same but different. Do ur research and stop with the motherland rubbish! If u didn’t know how i personally hate hearing u say that again and again. To many of u Africa is just a tourist destination. If u were really all about getting intouch with being african for real, u would make a personal investment and no not monetary. I mean if u identify with a certain community where u have membership, share common symbols, have emotional safety and a sense of belonging, u need to nose deep in that ‘ish! Simple. Dont be inlove with ths idea, live it, breath it. I dont mean move here, i mean if u are gonna walk around being labeled as African American then be true to both aspects of the term. So u cant be african coz u know zilch about what it means while u can be truly american coz uts who u are now. U speak american, eat american, show solidarity to american ideals and believe that America is your home. Wherever I go, My heart calls for Africa.

    • Lee

      You don’t understand the history then, or the savagery that was done, and how it’s impossible to recapture what was lost forever. You were lucky your ancestors were not plucked out of your beloved Africa in neck and feet chains. Yet you have disdain for an entire group of people who wish to identify with their ancestors.

      The Black African is a singular phenomenon. But who made you the arbiter of how that culture is to be shared by the billions of Black African descendants who roam the planet. Yes a lot of African Americans are pretentious about race and culture as it relate to being African and none would be caught dead in that continent other than to visit. So tell, would you relocate to America permanently. No, I didn’t think so. Why should you? Your heart is in Africa. For Americans of African descent, their hearts is in America but that does not take away ones origins.

      Put things in context the next time you blow a gasket about some AA speaking about Africa. Black Germans and Brits also connect with those cultures but they too know of their origins. You make it sound like it’s wrong or a crime to maintain cultural allegiance. The Black man is a global educated man. There is no umbilical cord attachment to Africa. Be an educator about Africa but spare us from the sanctimony. Believe me, you are no different than anyone in this silly planet.

      • buhle

        Mind u i said some. Plus i did say some of u might agree or disagree. So where did i show disdain to an entire group of people when i did state some meaning not all of u. Fact is even though ur ancestors experienced that horrible history, u , now in 2014 are more american than african. The history is part of ur heritage but it is not u. The problem with placing concepts and ideas on a global scale is u forget about boaring down and looking at the what exactly is african about being american. What exactly does being black mean. U have to be truthful to urself that although horizontally we are black, this blackness vertically is made up of degrees of people who might feel that in the quest of black americans trying to find their centre, are going about it in a rather disrespectful way. Its not fun to watch and it borders on mockery.
        I have no desire to move to the US, because i do not adhere nor believe in its ideals. Its not my community. I would however not come there and make a mockery of ur way of life. African humanism teaches respects for those different to u before judgement. Take my feelings for what they are or dont! And no huny, i was nowhere to have never had my ancestors plucked from their home land. Not comparing stories , what happened in colonial africa can never be placed on a who got it worse scale. I will nog engage u on that level. All i’m saying is change ur attitude, educate urself and show respect when u come here. Keep that pretentious demeanor in the US it doesn’t look good. Oh, i dont blow gaskets, maybe u do, but i debate. If u can’t debate, dont join the table!

        • Trendsetter

          A lot of what he said was true though. Too many of us claim Africa by default…its a continent…not a culture of black people only.

        • Lee

          I read this, took me about one minute. That time I will never get back. Stay in Africa will you.

          • buhle

            Wow ! And u have just exposed your douchefuckeryness! Yes i created a word. Surprised u coukd be all those things at once. Prime example u just gave here buddy. The only thing wrong with my comment is its void of grammar, by choice and small typo here and there. Didn’t mean u didn’t get the point i’m trying to make though, did it! If my being in africa means i’m uneducated and inarticulate
            , then u have a hell of alot to learn. No dear. Africa doesn’t need or want you. I’m telling u! How are u gonna challenge my thoughts when the smallest chance u got to do right by your stance, you just discredit yourself by referencing my africanness with what seemed to like my lack of being educated??? I don’t need to prove myself to u. I know why i do what i do. Another reason why America is not on my list of places to travel. Black people like u Lee. I don’t have time for pretence. I’ve seen enough of it. Thanks but no thanks.

    • Trendsetter

      I agree…too many of us black americans claim something with with which we have no cultural attachment to.

    • Nica La

      The same can be said when Africans come to America. Most Afeicans don’t know the history of this nation more specifically black history. And not all but some Africans come over here and look down on African Americans but benefit from our struggle having civil rights in this country.

      • buhle

        Is that so, well I had no idea. Again, I’m making an observation here and you made yours there. That being said, it means we as race are suffering self-doubt. Black africans come there probably feeling some type of way about being from africa, with the way the continent is being portrayed and soms of “us” feeling like atleast u have it really good, thanks to the media and all, and so maybe feel the need to flaunt the fact that they aleast know where they come from as a way to make themselves feel better. Again, just my theory.
        Just think about it, America is synonymous with wealth and prosperity right? So the person who doesn’t have and is stuck outside looking in may covert what u have. When they get their foot in, they may overact some mannerisms they deem appropiate so their africannes doesn’t show through, to try and fit in but instead achieves coming off a haughty and pompous. Forgive “us”, many african countries are still trying to find their way back from their internalised colonised mind. Its a struggle and many africans don’t feel safe in their own homes yet. Our issues run deeper than the time in which world expects us to fix them. You may live the reality of america, but to some of “us” you look glossy, shiny, new and promising. With the slogan “land of the free” who wouldn’t wanna come there and get some of that. I’m lucky and blessed to be south african. My fellow africans don’t have it easy on any given day. Its just a vicious cycle of civil war and empty promises. However in that midst, our core value systems at the micro level are something to be proud of.

        • Nica La

          With all due respect I believe some of our urban inner cities can definitely relate considering how we have both the gang violence and police brutality killing us over here. A prime example of that is the state of IL in the city of Chicago the nation’s murder capital.

          I completely understand about the issues many African states are dealing especially from the lasting effects of colonialism. It’s very similar to AA in dealing with slavery, reconstruction, and Jim Crow laws. Issues that are still very prevalent in today’s society.

          There’s nothing to forgive. Both black Americans and Africans are at fault because regardless of the continent we reside in our communication towards one another has to improve. On both sides there are too many misconceptions about the other.

          There are definitely some not so nice surprises I know many learn about in coming to tjis supposed land of the free. Im sure many didnt see the small print under that slogan that says to some extent whites only. The existence of white privilege.

    • blogdiz

      Africa is a continent not a country , we came from West Africa not the South, Are you claiming to be intimate with the all the cultures of East West and North Africa .Really do you know anything about the Ashanti Yoruba ?? . Its like reprimanding the English because they don’t feel connected to France Or Germany even though they are all in Europe??? Yawn

      • buhle

        I never claimed any intimacy with anyone. I claim a connection but not on an intimate level. Do i claim to know everything No! Did i say if black americans wanna claim their ancestral roots they must do so in a respectful manner and lay claim to their correct roots not any ‘ africa piece of land as home , yes I did. Did i speak to an observation I have made about black americans I have seen who come to visit my country acting in ways unbecoming and down right disrespectful, yes I did. Is it reprimanding, hell yes so what? I’m unapologetic about my views. In terms of my connection, i will stand behind my african people before I stand behind you, simply because we share the same piece of continent. I have no intimacy or connection with black americans simply coz well…you are american, some of you have never been beyong your state lines let alone, beyond american borders. So all you know is american culture, values, traditions etc.

  • speaksthetruth

    No white person is running around saying they’re not white. We (black people) are the only race running around and desnousing our names.

  • Tanya T6

    I see nothing wrong with what most of these people have said. They are either bi-racial or explaining that they are not African or explaining that they don’t like to use labels. Leave it to some people to try and drag them back down though. It’s expected.

  • gigi

    now a days people want to claim everything but black

  • Mya

    Self-hate is tricky and insidious. You don’t even realize you are a victim until it is too late, if at all. Mind in a barbed cage. God help these black people. Especially K. Cole, on her 6th album and all I heard about was the 1st.

  • PrettyBrownEyes

    The only difference between between Blacks in America and other Western Continents/Countries is where the ship landed. Only thousands of slaves were sent to America, however, Millions was sent to Haiti, DR, Puerto Rico. Celebrities make me sick. You don’t want to be considered Black, but you want Black money and support. Thank you White man…you have succeeded in making us feel so inferior that we don’t want to be ourselves!

    • Trendsetter

      You don’t get it…study the difference between culture and race.

      • PrettyBrownEyes

        No you don’t get it…I didn’t say African, I said Black. Please learn how to make an opposing view without insulting someone.

      • Trisha_B

        People don’t read. The ones that are upset are those that aren’t from another country/culture & don’t get it. Not all black people have the same struggle, upbringing, etc. I have the right to want to be indentified by my culture, the thing that made me the person who I am today. That is not denouncing my race. Let me & others have pride in our culture

        • Trendsetter

          Exactly. Education is so important.

      • wingman

        I respect the culture aspect.. Yes black ppl from the islands or black ppl in France would have a different culture than black ppl in the U.S. or the Blacks in In the Dominicans. He’ll
        Black ppl from New York have a different culture from black ppl in Atlanta lol but black means of African Descent…All black ppl are from Africa, the black ppl around the world that live in America, Haiti, Jamaica, Brazil , France, Italy, Spain.. Are all of African Descent, whether you like it or not,. I live in America, never been to Africa, I don’t know anything of African Culture but either way, I am African because I am black, I am of African Descent. ….

        • Trendsetter

          Look up the Olmecs and black native Americans. All blacks are not direct descendants of Africa. Of course we all originated there but we are all not DIRECTLY from there. You may be of African descent but your CULTURE is not African. Culture is the key word in her message but she did not convey it.

          • wingman

            I know about the Olmecs…but where did the black Olmecs come from…? AFRICA…

          • wingman

            I agree my culture is not African. It is African American.

            • Lorn

              And who the hell wants to be apart of that bastardized culture of ebonics, gold teeth, and oversexualized, barabaric imagery. No wonder most countries in Africa are ashamed of you guys. Most of you act so ignorant and uncivilized!

              • Masterpieced

                We invented the Civil Rights that gets all others here to the USA.

  • Ms_Sunshine9898

    RME, Karrin Steffans was born in the US Virgin Islands. Just because she happened to be born on an island in Caribbean and can trace her ancestry a little bit better than most other Black/African Americans doesn’t make her any less African American than me he was born in Europe to American parents or any other Black/African American. . .

    • Trendsetter

      Her RACE may have originated out of Africa but her culture which she can immediately identify with is not black american. It has less to do with her skin color and more to do with her upbringing. She is correct.

      • SunFlower78

        Virgin Islands had slavery as well. Culturally different but she is still a descendant from slaves just like we are. There was a documentary last year on PBS about Islanders not wanting to accept the history of slavery like it didn’t exist. Well it existed there before it even made it to America.

        • Trendsetter

          Why are you reiterating what I already said? We agree.

  • 1st Amendment User

    Ah, being BLACK, They all can run from it but they can’t hide from it..

  • Crisko

    The majority of this article is bogus. It only perpetuates the exact stereotype it should try admonish. To try and fit people like Shemar Moore, Rashida Jones and even Keyshia Cole into a box of only accepting one side of their heritage perpetuates a type of thinking we should be moving away from. Why is it that we applaud our president as a bi-racial man, and then decide that shouldn’t apply others. SMH. And Zoe Saldana??? She’s absolutely right. She’s Latina. Its so stupid to imply that since you’re skin tone isn’t white, you MUST be black??

    • Guest1205

      Although Obama is biracial he considers himself to be black. And “Latina” is not a race.

  • Guest1205

    Here’s my take on all of the people with African blood in them who don’t want to be “black”: good riddance.

    • SANDRA

      LOL, my mom tells me the same thing. It’s just sad that we are the only people who do that …

    • Trendsetter

      All of us have African blood…even whites. African is a continent not a culture. These people are expressing their culture

  • Your Mom

    Not all black people are African. Get it together. And I agree 100% with Superhead. Being born in Jamaica to full-blooded Indo-Caribbean parents, American Blacks are just culturally different. I won’t get into details, but foreign born blacks and American blacks simply have different cultural values, upbringing, work ethic and morals. Yes, I am black. Proud of it! But I am NOT African-American.

    • Guest1205

      You are painting so-called African Americans with too broad of a negative brush. Guess what? Plenty of us have strong upbringings, health work ethics and exemplary morals.

      My dad’s side of the family is Caribbean and my mom’s is from the Deep South. PLENTY of success stories from both sides!

      • SunFlower78

        Thank you

      • Beverly

        YOU ARE ALL BLACK AND THE WHITE MAN KNOWS YOU ARE BLACK!

    • BiggieMama

      Full-blooded Indo-Caribbean? That by definition contains African. And Superhead moved here when she was a small child. What does she mean she has a different mind set. She grew up in a black community with black experiences. If you don’t want to identify with black culture, then don’t try to use it to make your money. And that goes for all the people listed especially Miss Zoe “I’m important and profound” Saldana.

      • Junie

        Indo-Caribbeans do not raise their children like African American parents raise theirs. Most do not have the same mind set.

        • Just Observing

          If they are all that, then why not stay on their islands. Oh, that’s right, things are better here, especially for people of color, because of AFRICAN AMERICANS(civil rights).

          • quashi

            Why? They have a right to live wherever they choose. Whites have lived all over this globe even on the islands!

          • Atimion

            PREACH!!!! Love it!

      • guest

        Did you know that Zoe is Dominican and Puerto Rican. So therefore she is Latina.

        • Guest1205

          Latina is not a race. Plenty of people of all races from those countries.

        • wingman

          I respect the culture aspect.. Yes black ppl from the islands or black ppl in France would have a different culture than black ppl in the U.S. or the Blacks in In the Dominicans. He’ll
          Black ppl from New York have a different culture from black ppl in Atlanta lol but black means of African Descent…All black ppl are from Africa, the black ppl around the world that live in America, Haiti, Jamaica, Brazil , France, Italy, Spain.. Are all of African Descent, whether you like it or not,. I live in America, never been to Africa, I don’t know anything of African Culture but either way, I am African because I am black, I am of African Descent. …

        • Beverly

          THERE ARE BLACK PUERTO RICANS WHICH IS WHAT SHE IS AND DOMINICANS ARE ALSO BLACK, SOME OF THEM JUST HAVE LIGHTER SKIN AND STRAIGHTER HAIR .STILL BLACK LIKE IT OR NOT!!!

    • wingman

      Yes black ppl in France would have a differenr culture than black ppl in the U.S. or the Blacks in In the Dominicanmeans of African Descent…All black ppl are from Africa, the black ppl around the world that live in America, Haiti, Jamaica, Brazil , France, Italy, Spain.. Are all of African Descent, whether you like it or not,. I live in America, never been to Africa, I don’t know anything of African Culture but either way, I am African because I am black, I am of African Descent.

    • Atimion

      Once again some of you Caribbeans come here AFTER the Afro-American has fought for equal rights and now you want to distant yourselves as “different”. Please go to England and see how the Afro-Caribbeans are treated? It’s the same so please do yourself a favor and be real!

  • Who’s that lady

    SMH and most of the women on the list are plenty of black girls #wcw (women crush wednesday) and they don’t even care.

  • Blah

    Way to take what most of these folks said about their race out of context MN..*eye roll*. Most of them were saying they didn’t want to be pigeon-holed because of their race, or that they weren’t “African” American which is some made up bullsh!t anyways. Black people in America are not a monolith…and isn’t kind of regressive to perpetuate the “one drop” rule in 2014?

    I am “African American” unfortunately because I don’t know where my black ancestors came from. So the term is a catch all for people like myself who can’t trace their complete family history but are the descendants of American held slaves. If I knew where my black ancestors came from I could claim that country as part of my heritage and wouldn’t have to call myself “African American.” If these Black people on your list know their history then they should be able to claim their history without shame or being made to feel like some traitor.

    • ladybug

      Standing ovation!!!!! Thank you!!!

    • Trendsetter

      Thank you..your post is a prime example of why we should educate ourselves.

    • SunFlower78

      Thank you, I am Angolan, Senegalese, Portuguese, Irish and German…But I am still black, I never really got stuck on the African American label. It was only adopted because black people didn’t like being referred to as Negros.
      I love being a black woman, but I love the different cultures who have made me what I am. It’s 2014 nothing is the cookie cutter anymore and it’s okay.

      • Beverly

        WELL ASIA IS A CONTINENT TOO, BUT CHINESE AND JAPANESE DON’T TRY TO GET OUT OF BEING WHO THEY ARE, EITHER!

        • SunFlower78

          I don’t see my comment as trying to get out of who I am or who black people are in general.
          But I will say if you like or dislike the term African American, that is your rightful choice. It doesn’t for one minute change the fact that you are black in my eyes. But again that is just my opinion.

  • 1Val

    Do we have any white celebrities denouncing their race?

    • Thank you!

    • Trisha_B

      Yes but they don’t make a huge deal about it. They don’t go around calling themselves Caucasian. They either say white, or get specific & say they are Irish, German, etc.

      • 1Val

        What white celebrities have stated they did not want to be referred to as “white” because they are mixed with black, Asian, Indian, etc?

        • Trisha_B

          They don’t state it like that. But they talk around it by not calling themselves by what they are labeled as, but buy breaking out of the box & picking how they want to be addressed. I have heard some Italians (regular joes, not celebs) get upset if you call them white or Caucasian. Plus the white race is not nearly as complex as the black race. Many whites don’t want to even admit they have another race in the ancestry lol. My point is some are more specific on what they identified as, rather than saying “I’m Caucasian”

      • Beverly

        BUT IRISH AND GERMAN PEOPLE ALL COME FROM EUROPE AND THEY DON’T DENY THIS OR THEIR WHITENESS. THE USA WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT FOR THEM, SO OF COURSE THEY DON’T PUT A COUNTRY IN FRONT OF THEIR RACE, BUT THEY ARE QUICK TO TELL YOU WHICH COUNTRY IN EUROPE THEIR ANCESTORS CAME FROM. THEY DON’T DENY THIR WHITNESS THEY KNOW BLACK PEOPLE ARE THE ONLY RACE THAT TRY TO GET OUT OF BEING WHO THEY ARE. THEY DON’T RESPECT US FOR THIS, BUT IF SOME OF US ARE STUPID ENOUGH TO DENOUNCE WHO WE ARE, THEY AIN’T GONE SAY NOTHING UNLESS A RACIST WANT TO CALL YOU A N*****!

    • ladybug

      I don’t think it’s denouncing race as much as not identifying with an ethnicity that you know nothing about. White ppl get to be white or American whereas black ppl have to be African American, or people of color. Why can’t we just be black or American? Of all the people on this list none of them said they weren’t black only that they are acknowledging ALL of their heritage. Or in the case of that model who doesn’t want to be put in a “black”box in her working career. I personally can understand that.

      • Blossom25

        Thank you ladybug for pointing that out. I think Beverly is taking ethnic pride to mean denial of race. I pointed out earlier that Jamaicans for instance would only have a problem being called African/American because they think they would lose their “Jamaicaness” , heck they wouldn’t want to be called just American either so many have even coined the phrase “Jamerican,” not because they don’t like being black or American it’s just the love of being a Jamaican. There are going to be those few who want to separate themselves by race but largely Jamaicans have always identifed with American black people. I think we need to take the time to pay attention to what people are saying rather than jumping to conclusion. Sometimes the people who yell and scream about issues have the same issues themselves. IJS.

        • ladybug

          Yes!!! Someone understands

    • Tanya T6

      No, but you don’t have black ones doing it either. These are nonblack people or mixed race people trying to ask the media / fans to stop being racist and ignoring their heritage just because their skin is brown. White people are also pretty easy to identify but when a person is half black or mixed it’s not easy to tell. Also you can’t tell where someone is born by looking at them. I feel like you didn’t read any of the responses from these celebrities.

    • Trendsetter

      See that’s the point…NONE of these people denounced their race…they corrected people in thinking they were from the same culture as black “african” americans. We as black people need to be more precise in how we label ourselves and speak the truth. Black is the race…Africa would be the culture (even though its REALLY a continent). Learn the difference please.

    • Lillie

      I think Johnny Depp did back in the 80s. I can’t think of anyone else.

  • Oh….and SUPERHEAD….Put a kock in it!

  • Freeordie

    Watch hysterically funny Trevor Noah on this topic, he pretty much states that African is a term that White people put on people of color who are just Americans. He is actually from Africa and is as he says Mixed Race. And he agrees with Karrine Stefans that someone from the Carribbean is not African.

    • Beverly

      THE WHITE MAN KNOWS YOU ARE BLACK AND HE KNOWS THAT IF YOU LIVE IN THE CARIBBEAN ,YOUR ANCESTORS ORIGINALLY CAME FROM AFRICA. THE WHITE MAN KNOWS WHO HE IS AND YOU ARE STUPID IF YOU TRY TO GET OUT OF BEING BLACK. HE KNOWS YOU ARE COLOR STRUCK.

      • Freeordie

        Yawwwwwwwwwn, everyone’s ancestors came from Africa. DUH

  • Christine

    Bill Cosby: “With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap, and all of them are in jail.” LOL! ROFL.

    • Who’s that lady

      That is not funny, its down-right disrespectful

      • lulubear

        especially since Muhammad is a beautiful name that means praise

      • JS

        Disrespectful for sure but I do find Cosby’s ignorance comical.

  • Christine

    Karine Steffans is really unintelligent if she believes that as a Caribbean person her story is THAT much more different from those of African Americans. Um excuse me, some of your ancestors were still slaves brought from the African continent. They all suffered abuse and subjegation the way African American slaves did; duh. The cultural realities of today may be different, as in people where she’s from might be generally better off than most African Americans, but the history is similar.

    • ladybug

      She wasn’t born in thy U.S.

    • ladybug

      My bad wrong post

    • Kaila P

      Sweetie pie our experiences were similar but they are still VERY DIFFERENT. It’s quite obvious that you’re not an islander, it’s ok I understand your ignorance

    • Natalie Marie Alvarez Padilla

      The difference is in these islands there was no period of segregation, in the US segregation lasted so long, it really divided the whole country into white culture and african american culture. Whereas in the Islands slaves went straight from being slaves to being practically equals and joining society as a whole, so no, Islanders do not have the same struggles. They don’t resent white people or worry about racism because there is barely any in their islands. White Jamaicans and Black Jamaicans see themselves as one… Jamaicans period. They don’t care about race.

      • Nowima Biggsixx

        Are you Jamaican, because I lived there and this is such BS. On the fourth of July, we’re all Americans and then we go back to our separate realities. In Jamaica the whites are the minority but if you look at power and the wealth they hold, there certainly IS racism. Just because they have conditioned others to accept nationalism doesn’t make it not so.

        • Lorn

          Nope its not BS. My family is from Jamaica and the Cayman Islands and its true what she is saying. There is racism like anywhere but it isn’t on the level like it is in the US.

    • Beverly

      THEY DON’T WANT TO ACCEPT WHO THEY ARE. THAT’S WHY THEY SAY OH I CAME FROM THE CARIBBEAN SO I’M NOT BLACK WHICH IS STUPID. THESE PEOPLE OF THE CARIBBEAN ALL ORIGINALLY CAME FROM AFRICA! AND THEY LOOK LIKE REGULAR BLACK PEOPLE WITH THE SKIN DARK SKIN AND SUPER NAPPY HAIR.

      • Lorn

        You’re so ignorant! I have white people in my family from the carribean. Not every person has course hair and African features and if so–what is wrong with that?

  • prettyredbone

    I get where some of these people are coming from. I have studied African American History and People dont realize that before slavery people werent being labeled “black” or “white ” people were just seen as people. I think thats where Raven Symone is coming from she doesnt want to be labeled or discriminated and called a gay african american she just wants to be seen as an equal human being. I see where their coming from but i’ll let anybody know on any day i’m black and im proud!

    • NewsJunkie

      This is were I stand also I don’t see myself as African American because I wasn’t born in Africa but America. My father was half German, Irish, and Caucasin and my mom is Black. So I don’t need other people from generations of long ago telling me what they think I should be. The one drop rule should be retired in this day and age. There is too much diversity going on for that.

      • Riley “Miss Lisa”

        stfu. Just because you hate being black doesn’t mean all biracial people do,like Halle Berry, Bob Marley and 0bama who all identify as Black, and biracial members of my family who would laugh if you said they weren’t Black. ….And don’t come crying to us when the police beat your a$$$ or shoot your son.

        • Selena McQueen

          Oh come on now this comment was just ignorant

          • Beverly

            NO THAT STATEMENT WAS THE TRUTH OF WHICH YOU OBVIOUSLY CAN’T HANDLE!!!!

            • Selena McQueen

              Oh cuz u said it’s true it’s true go away lady

        • notpure

          I am just confused. If you are biracial or such a blend that nobody knows anymore, why do you have to say you are Black…only? I mean, why does that make people mad? I get the standing up and owning our race; our pride….but it is what it is.

          • Guest1205

            Very few people considered to be black in this country are “black only.” The race mixing has been going on for generations. So, while it’s impossible to identify the racial components of the “African Americans” in the U.S., most people with African ancestry consider themselves “black” due to social constructs…and most are fine with that.

            Some people with African bloodl rail against being called “black” because of racism and its effects in our society. Some black people feel rejection and resentment about this. We’ll have to see what happens as social constructs evolve.

            But the bottom line there are plenty of near-white African Americans with two “black” parents who are pleased to be called “black.”. A good example is Vanessa Williams, a proud “black” woman. It seems a little nutty when “biracial” people, who look more black than she, get tied up in a knot when called “black.:

            • enlightenment

              Has anyone ever considered this theory?:

              Perhaps, some biracial prefer to call themselves only “black”, despite having a White mother or father, because being Biracial in the black community provides more social clout, acknowledgement, and praise in comparison to being biracial in the white community.

              Let’s be real…the Black community practically worships biracial men and women and commonly demeans non-biracial Blacks.

              • cinnamonbrown

                You’re absolutely right this biracial guy(white and native dad black mother) that I knew said that he identified as black but he seemed very confused and insecure. I’m not making generalizations here I’m just speaking from my experience although I’ve heard many people say the same exact thing. This guy wanted the social clout but had no problem talking down on blacks and making generalizations(his white side to blame I guess lol) against us women particularly. After telling me his ethnicity he like most people then asked me if I was mixed my reply as always was “dark brown mixed with light brown im black” he kept saying things like “but you look like you’ve got a lil something in you a little creole maybe” I kept saying nope just black and he then asked well more like stated “and you’re proud to be black ain’t you” like it was a bad thing being very obnoxious my reply was “yeah am I supposed to be ashamed or something and be like the rest of these birds around here claiming to be mixed knowing here in the south(NC) it is utterly pointless?” this was the same guy who told me that he also classified his self as black so I was beyond confused another time we were watching the game and he actually told me that “I should like the black quarterbacks like mike vick” after I said I liked peyton manning I was floored there were countless of other conversations like that which occurred and I had to cut ties with him eventually all of it it was just annoying and very tiresome. Your last sentence is true but some biracials also have that mentality because they are being raised by SOME of those blacks that you speak of.

              • Guest1205

                Enlightened folks in the black community don’t demean blackness, but your theory might apply to some.

        • human being

          True, Bob Marley did not hate being black, but he WAS made to feel like an outsider by the black people he grew up with for being light-skinned. Those black people didn’t hate his blackness, they hated his whiteness. It seems to me that “NewsJunkie” doesn’t hate being black, but rather he/she just doesn’t hate also being white. “NewsJunkie” is trying to move beyond narrow racial mindsets. What’s wrong with that? You can embrace the way things are, or you can embrace what the way things could be. Embrace the racial status quo and accept the definition you are given, or be a leader and declare your own definition.

        • Paul Cruz

          STFU? really? that’s the way you choose to represent yourself? how do you expect to be taken seriously and looked upon with any measure of intelligence, when your position is to attack someone who just wants to be who they are and NOT who YOU expect them to be, what kind of upbringing did you have that you have so much negativity and hate in you. you could use a little of the good book in your life and review the part about treating people the way you would like to be treated, but if I were to form an opinion of you based solely on your response to Newsjunkie, my opinion would be that you treat people badly and you yourself get treated the same in return. you have my condolences and so does everyone you meet.

          • Riley “Miss Lisa”

            You are latino, correct? Well this is a black website for black people to discuss black issues. You cant relate to this issue or Black History, so I suggest you go to latino blogs instead. And its amazing that you’d disrespect me when my people and the struggles that we made in the 60’s for civil rights is what allows you and your people to come to this country in the first place and recieve your rights. My people have been in America for 400 years–you just came here and have the nerve to disrespect me. Lastly, your assumption of me is laughable & wrong—I’m sure I’ve helped more people and sacraficed to help others in 1 year than you’ve done in your whole life. Condolences? You better pray your loved ones come across someone like me in an emergency and time of need…….Last If loving and respecting my great grandparents who suffered in ships & through 300 years in chains makes me a bad person in your eyes– you’re deaf, dumb and blind. Maybe 80 years from now your great grand daughter will reject being called latino or cuban or wherever you’re from—blog and let us know how much you’d love that.

      • Beverly

        YOU ARE ALSO IN DENIAL AS TO WHO YOU ARE. MAYBE YOU THINK IF YOU DENY BLACK, IT WILL MAKE RACIST LIKE THE PEOPLE IN FERGUSON SEE YOU AS NON-BLACK, BUT THAT AIN’T GONE HAPPEN!!!

        • Paul Cruz

          You need to just go away, you’ve already established too much ignorance to have any credibility, so your postings are pretty much just drabble now. oh and feel free to actually look up the definition of denial, your picture should be next to it.

    • Masterpieced

      Before slavery people were just seen as people??? Tell that to the Native Americans.

  • Toni

    Karrin is saying what allot of islanders feel, myself included. Island people are raised differently than African Americans. I grew up in a multicultural household, my mother was half Hispanic and bajan and my father was from Jamaica but his parents were from Ethiopia. Neither one of them born in the states. We lived in a black neighborhood and due to my family’s accent and my long “good” hair I was still classified as non black or “other” by the neighborhood kids despite my brown skin color. I hated it growing up because I never fit it with everyone else and would classify myself as black when someone asked me. My parents would tell me- your not an African american, Now as a grown up, I don’t call myself African american because that isn’t what I am.

    • Trisha_B

      I would have LOVEDDD to have dinner at your house lol.

    • Sunni_Dee

      Its easier to see ourselves differently because we are blended without the same prejudices. Granny may be Indigenous, Grandpa may be Chinese, aunt and uncles thta marry in could be Syrian, Hispanic or Filipino or actually African. But we don’t see all of that…we see our FAMILY

      • Trisha_B

        Exactly! Jamaicas motto is “out of many, one people. ” explains this perfectly

    • Beverly

      YOU ARE IN DENIAL ABOUT WHO YOU ARE BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW JAMAICANS ORIGINALLY COME STRAIGHT FROM AFRICA!!!

  • Dee

    Okay, I stopped at Karrine Stephens only to say I agree. I understand when she says that she doesn’t have “African American Struggles” because, as an Islander myself, I feel that we have a different outlook on life and we have our own, unique, struggles. I don’t think she is trying to say she isn’t black, I think shes trying to say she’s different, now let me continue on reading lol

    • Ret2Go

      I agree with her also. I’m not an Islander, but my grandmother was and there is a big difference. It was this country they kept pointing out her skin color. She made sure she raised her children and grand kids
      to realize that outside of America, you are just a person. Yes your background matters, but not the way it does here.

      • Dee

        Also, in the islands, since all your leaders, politicians, etc are people who essentially look like you, there is a less of an “us vs. them” type of atmosphere

      • Trisha_B

        Agree w/ you both !

      • wingman

        Black = African Descent

    • 1st Amendment User

      Island or on land she is still a HO

      • Guestest

        Lol

      • SunFlower78

        Okay do islanders not know that slavery existed on the islands as well. smh

        • islandgirl

          Our history is taught to us from the time we start primary/elementary school all the way up to secondary/high school. We learn about the first peoples of our islands, the original names of our islands and the history of slavery within our islands. But at the end of the day our struggles are still different from that of african americans because down in the Caribbean its not so much about white or black but more so about money and class.

          • SunFlower78

            My question was rhetorical, I undertsand that cultures are different. But to suggest (and not that you did) that an islanders “blackness” is some how different because you were not born in the US, to me is absurd. Slavery is Slavery, the method may be different but the definition is still the same.

          • Natalie Marie Alvarez Padilla

            Totally agree.

          • Nowima Biggsixx

            Basically because you are immigrants, you let us African Americans fight for your rights and then enjoy the fruits of our labor? I call BS, because I lived in the Carribean and you guys have the same skin color issues and the same fact that White people have the most wealth. Lighter-skinned people have the most money and are in the higher classes. I have been in Jamaica, Bahamas, Dominica, etc. It’s not as bad as US, but there are still remnants. If things were so great, there would not have been an impetus for you or your ancestors to move.

        • 1st Amendment User

          Did I mention anything about slavery on an island? No DumbFlower I did not. You should be shaking your head at yourself.

          • SunFlower78

            My comment was meant for someone else, I replied to your comment by accident…I was not smh at you my bad….

            • 1st Amendment User

              NP

        • Frecklefacegirl

          Exactly was just thinking this. Do you “Islanders know how your ancestors got to the Island?

          • SunFlower78

            Right, one is not better that the other. Different (I will give them that) but def not better.

    • Ms_Sunshine9898

      I thinks she was trying to say she didn’t have the stereotypical African American struggles. To suggest she’s not African American because of this is stupid. She’s black of African descent born in US territory having US citizenship making her “African American”. Please let’s not buy into her foolishness. . . .

      • Trendsetter

        Being black does not make you African by default. Africa is a CONTINENT…not a culture. She is saying that her cultural origins and history are different from ours. In that she is correct. Furthermore we have to stop claiming a continent. No educated person claims an entire continent bc that would be impossible.

        • wingman

          I respect the culture aspect.. Yes black ppl from the islands or black ppl in France would have a different culture than black ppl in the U.S. or the Blacks in In the Dominicans. He’ll
          Black ppl from New York have a different culture from black ppl in Atlanta lol but black means of African Descent…All black ppl are from Africa, the black ppl around the world that live in America, Haiti, Jamaica, Brazil , France, Italy, Spain.. Are all of African Descent, whether you like it or not,. I live in America, never been to Africa, I don’t know anything of African Culture but either way, I am African because I am black, I am of African Descent.

          • Blossom25

            That might be true, but people from Jamaica and Haiti , for example, do not refer to themselves as African Jamaican or African/Haitian. Does not mean that they do not acknowledge their African Heritage. I think this is what some people are arguing against, not denying their African/blackness but have problems with being “African/American as opposed to just being American like everyone else. I am a Jamaican woman and like most Jamaican (despite being mixed with other races) proudly acknowledge our African roots; not to say there aren’t a few who strain credibility to say they are other so it’s everywhere. I think some people like being called African/American rather than just black because of the ingrained stereotype that goes with that word. So whatever!

            • wingman

              I get what you mean by the label, but as long as they know they are of African Descent, .. That’s cool then

            • Beverly

              African American IS NOT a negative label. People like you don’t want to be called African American because you are ashamed of your own race and think denouncing the word will make you closer to being White, but that’s NOT GONE HAPPEN!!!! IT’S JUST LIKE A DOG SAYING I HAVE SHARP TEETH AND EAT MEAT, BUT I DON’T WANT TO BE CALLED CANINE!

              • Blossom25

                I am not sure you got what I wrote so I implore you to read what I wrote again. I did not state that African American is a negative label and I am not sure what you mean by people like me. So I will let this go as I am convinced that in your haste to denounce me because I stated that I am Jamaican you totally misunderstood what I said. If my last sentence confused you, let me say it again, more clearly , Many people like being called “African/American” rather than “black” because of the negative stereotype that goes with the world ” black.” There are people, however, who are quite happy with just being referred to as black or black/American. Calm down.

              • Paul Cruz

                You are so totally off base with your statement, you’re assuming that by not wanting to be called anything but American, that some form of shame is involved, I am not ashamed of anything, I am just truly proud to be an American, and when I served this country, I wasn’t protecting any prefix Americans, I was protecting Americans.

        • Beverly

          Well that’s where Black people originally came from. (Africa)

          • Trendsetter

            EVERYBODY came from Africa. There are 54 countries in Africa and everybody is not black. Africa is aCONTINENT…not a culture or race.

          • Paul Cruz

            We all originated in Africa, so stop trying to make it all black, like it or not ALL women in the world carry the common “Eve Gene” black, yellow, red or white, all women have that gene and it has already been positively linked to Africa. even the Arian race started there so do not pretend to be better than any color, we all came from the same stock.

        • Ms_Sunshine9898

          Like I said, it’s all about about where your ancestors were dropped off in the America and hers happened to be on an island in the Caribbean. We get that she can pinpoint her culture a little more than the rest of us. At the end of the day regardless if you have a distinct Caribbean heritage or nondescript African ancestry, any Black American is an African American because of the initial AFRICAN ANCESTRY. That’s what you fail to realize. . .

          • guest

            And… you can’t pinpoint your culture to America?

          • Trendsetter

            EVERYBODY is originally from Africa. Africa is the motherland of the world. By your logic EVERYBODY should be called an African. You do realize that there are 54 countries in Africa???? You should also study the history of the Olmecs and black american indians. All blacks over here did not descend from slaves from Africa. Raven and the rest of us that are educated on the matter are talking about CULTURAL IDENTITY….not race. Your culture is what defines you…not your race.

            • Ms_Sunshine9898

              No YOU don’t get it. Culture goes much deeper than that. You clearly don’t understand the concept of culture and that American is a broad definition. America is unique for being a melting pot of cultures – not one overall definitive culture that defines a significant portion of the that country. African American is more specific relating to the culture of people of African descent regardless of their origin. It’s truly ignorant for you to believe that African American is synonymous with slavery. Are really going to suggest that any African American or Black person of Caribbean or Latin heritage is not descendant of people who came from Africa? Like they aren’t both Caribbean/Latin American in addition to being African American. Child stop. Are really gonna try to tell the world that some black people are originally from the Caribbean and South America exclusively?Just stop. You can’t even see the reality of your own foolish logic. You really are extra on this madness that to disassociate anything to do with African. . .

          • Paul Cruz

            That theory of yours makes us all African American regardless of our color, because we all originated from Africa, we just migrated from there into different directions and evolved into what we are now. and we are still evolving, that’s why we’re all having this debate now, evolution is not stopping and we are trying to confront it with ancient beliefs that are slowly vanishing, we need to let go of those old beliefs and embrace the evolution that is trying to make us all equal.

        • Atimion

          Actually many ( Euro-Americans) do. Many of them label themselves “Irish” “Italian” or “Jewish” when their not. They are Irish-Americans or Italian-Americans which means an American of Irish descent. We ARE Afro-Americans because “we” are Americans of African descent. Which, I’m proud to say!

          • Trendsetter

            EVERYBODY originated from Africa…look up nationality and culture and stop trying to prescribe your own definition. Unless you follow African culture or traditions you are not African.

            • Atimion

              Trendsetter:

              Whats wrong with being PROUD of your African ancestry? Everybody is proud of their ancestry except some of us, I don’t get it? What wrong with being “black” or calling one’s self “African-American” it’s who we are. So if you’re saying you’re not an American of African descent then what do you call yourself/what are you, colored?

            • Atimion

              So what do you consider yourself, colored/negro? Why is it that some of “us” deny our African ancestry while the rest of us do? Also, look at the Italian-American, they claim they’re Italian when they don’t even speak the language or follow Italian customs, do you challenge them too when they show pride in being Italian? Mainly, I want to know what’s wrong with being proud of our African ancestry?

            • Atimion

              Sounds like someone is ashamed of their African roots?

    • Kaila P

      I agree, in the Caribbean, we don’t say Afro-Caribbean, we identify as black. I can’t speak for others but I’ve never had any experience with racism living in the Caribbean since about 95% of the population is indeed black. For us it’s moreso a classim issue

  • Coya

    It’s different when someone is immediately “bi-racial or multi-racial” and by that I mean parents or grandparents that are fully white or mixed with white and even then grandparents are a stretch. Everyone is mixed with something now-a-days, even dark-skinned people. Now if someone as Shemar Moore doesn’t necessarily just call himself completely black I can understand that but when people come talking about their ancestors and fore-fathers it’s like really??? Yes we’re all human and WE ALL should be seen and treated as such, but why is it that you only see black people or people mixed with black denouncing themselves as black. I haven’t heard a white person denounce themselves as white, caucasian or anglo saxon but maybe that’s just me?????

    Do people not want to be seen as black or referred to as black because of the stereotypes and statistics that are associated with (forced upon) black/african american people? #inquiringmindswanttoknow

    Don’t use “being human or american” to denounce who you really are. IJS. You don’t have to act like the stereotypes of a black person to be black.

    I’m a human then woman then I’m an african american then I’m an american. And in that order. #proudtobeblack #iamwhoiam #notthestereotypes

    • speaksthetruth

      You’ve said all I needed to say. So I’m about to have a seat.

      • OLR

        save me a seat darling!! Coya said it all

    • Eri Cad

      Tell it Coya, tell it. I also wanted to add its funny when folks want to say hey i’m not black but as soon as that academy award nomination comes out or they land a show, win the biggest golf tournament what are they called? BLACK. From a semantics point of view I get not calling yourself AFRICAN American and if your bi-racial or multiracial I certainly can understand not wanting to soley identify with black but as much as many would like to believe we live in a post racial America last time I checked many were not “lucky” enough to pass. Its interesting that people who are straight up both parents black are on some, “I’m not black.” If this was but a few decades ago u could say you weren’t black all u want didn’t stop you from getting lynched or spit on or a cross burned in your front yard or folks yelling, “ni**er” as you walked down the street but hey thats none of my business.

      • Coya

        Exactly, I was just thinking that, whether you were high-yellow, mulatto, bright or dark-skinned/darn near purple you were still a sl@ve. Whether you were in the house or in the fields you were still a sl@ve. We divide our own selves when the struggle was all the same. Whether you were darn near white or not everybody wanted to be free. This whole I’m not black mess is ridiculous. You don’t hear white people denouncing being white. Last time I checked being black/african american was based off of your genetics not the way you were raised, who you were raised by or where you was raised. We all derive from Africa whether we’re Jamaican, American, Dominican etc etc. Now it’s great to be proud of your heritage but why is being black or associated with black such a bad thing?

        I’m not saying that Jamaicans, Dominicans or whoever have to call themselves black either. But you still have black roots? IJS.

        • speaksthetruth

          Once again, I will be grabbing a seat b/c Coya killed it.

        • taz harry

          I feel you Coya. I’m Black all day-even with my Blue-eyed, light skinned, Dominican, Puerto Rican Dad and my American Black, Native American and Irish mother who looks Black like me because the all of the genes for the white features didn’t pull through as strongly on her as her Black and Native genes did. Even though I have pale sisters and brothers, we are all still, securely and happily claiming ourselves as Black folks. The struggles we face as Black people didn’t make us weak, it made us stronger so I will proudly own my Blackness. I am holding my head up and loving my chocolaty brown skin all day, every day.

        • Dee

          they also probably have white roots too though. are black genes somehow stronger than white genes now?

      • bonds

        I’ve heard mixed people claimed black when it benefited them.

        • Eri Cad

          Yup, I believe it.

    • enlightenment

      YAAAAAS. Preach it. I couldn’t have said it better myself.

    • PolkaDots

      “..but why is it that you only see black people or people mixed with black denouncing themselves as black” —> Because they want to be seen as a PERSON/ specific gender NOT a particular ETHNICITY or RACE or they may be embarrassed by such.

      • Coya

        But that’s with any person though… Everyone wants to be seen as a person an actual human being. MLK’s speech about not being judged didn’t mean to just denounce being black it meant being seen as more than a race but that’s not for just AA that’s any race of people.

        Every race has something to be ashamed of. But you don’t see any other race going around denouncing who they are because they want people to see them as a human. If anything they’re standing strong and proud of their race and they’re demanding people to accept them for who they really are.

        I’m a black woman but that doesn’t mean that I don’t want to be seen as more than a black woman. I’m striving to be more than just the stereotype of my race or my gender. But I don’t have to denounce what is “a part of who I am” in order to make people see me for “who I really am.” Genetics is only a piece of the pie but I’m not going to obliterate it in order for people to see me for more than what they can see at face value. Instead of denouncing my “blackness” how about I demand people to look pass the color that I AM and see me for WHO I AM. **An african american woman that is doing great things with her life. i.e. (Raven Symone)**

        Btw you also answered my question right there. Why be embarrassed by a race? It doesn’t reflect who you personally are or does it? I’m black but I’m not “ghetto, hood, ignorant, have 6 kids with 5 different men” etc. That’s a stereotype but I have no need to be embarrassed because that doesn’t reflect who I am or my life.

        • PolkaDots

          “Everyone wants to be seen as a person an actual human being.” –> Nope! Everyone wants to wear a label and they want OTHER people to wear a label which is WHY they get mad when people don’t claim this or that.

          THAT’s the truth right there.

          • Guest1205

            Your truth, not mine.

            • PolkaDots

              No it’s THE truth. If people wanted to see others as HUMAN BEINGs they would INSIST that they CHOOSE a side or IDENTIFY themselves. Total bullsh!t.

        • PolkaDots

          ” But you don’t see any other race going around denouncing who they are because they want people to see them as a human.” –> I have to disagree with this on two points. OTHER races show their “shame” of their race by being unlike themselves.

          Asians for instance. Asian women have surgery to make their eyes more WESTERNIZED versus embraces the low lids or “hoods” as they are called (NEGATIVELY). That’s just ONE example, I could list others and with that ONE race.

          Just because someone does want to be referred to as a specific race/ethnicity does NOT mean they are denouncing who they are just like with the Asian example.

          • Coya

            No that’s a completely different topic, that’s shame of your appearance and trying to conform to the ideal westernized look. Just like black women perming their hair, wearing weave, getting nose jobs, women getting lips done, booty injections. That’s with women of any race period and that’s completely different from denouncing yourself as a race.

            And not wanting to be referred to as black, white or whatever is actually denouncing your race. That’s like me going around telling people not to call me a woman? Why not?? (It’s not like I’m transgendered where they actually are denouncing being a certain gender btw.)

            • PolkaDots

              “No that’s a completely different topic, that’s shame of your appearance and trying to conform to the ideal westernized look.” –>Nope. I gotta disagree with you. Many Asians are looked DOWN upon by doing such things because they are seen as DENYING their Asian culture…It’s shameful.

              Shame is a HUGE deal to Asians. Huge.

            • PolkaDots

              “Just like black women perming their hair, wearing weave, getting nose jobs, women getting lips done, booty injections.” –> Exactly, which why there was and probably still is this big NATURAL vs Not Natural thing going on.

              Is relaxed hair considered NATURAL? What about heat straightened? Same thing. Some see those things and then things you mentioned as DENYING their BLACKNESS or trying to FALL into a stereotype of Blackness or Wh!tness.

            • PolkaDots

              “That’s with women of any race period and that’s completely different from denouncing yourself as a race.” –> No it’s exactly the same. It’s a mask just as you stated, in so many words, that NOT wearing a label or refusing to be referred to as this or that is wearing a mask or HIDING.

            • PolkaDots

              “And not wanting to be referred to as black, white or whatever is actually denouncing your race.” –> No it’s not denouncing your race. It means, see ME for who I am. POLKADOTS or COYA not the yatta yatta girl named POLKADOTS or COYA.

            • PolkaDots

              “That’s like me going around telling people not to call me a woman?” –> Actually being called WOMAN isn’t a good thing.

              “Why not??” –> It’s actually objectifying. Have you ever watched really old movies and the man says to the lady, WOMAN this or that. Yeah, he doesn’t mean it as a point of observation.

            • PolkaDots

              “(It’s not like I’m transgendered where they actually are denouncing being a certain gender btw.)” –> Your explanation with THAT example is debatable.

            • Paul Cruz

              That statement totally contradicts your stand, altering your features to be more like another race is not the same as denouncing your roots? and the not call you a woman? that analogy is kinda senseless and reaching. next you’ll be telling me I have no business making comments here because I’m not “black” and don’t understand.

              • Coya

                In what I was referring to yes it was different. Looks and saying you’re not a certain race are different. People pressured to conform to a westernized ideal of beauty is an internalized shame that is not necessarily based on them denouncing their race. It’s still shame altogether but it is a different form. So in actuality it doesn’t contradict my stance.

                And no you don’t have to be black in order to comment here but you can’t actually say you truly understand some or even most “black” struggles if you aren’t black. But I’m not here to get into a racial debate.

                • white guy

                  not here to get in a racial debate? smiley face. isn’t that what this whole thing is?

        • PolkaDots

          “Instead of denouncing my “blackness” how about I demand people to look pass the color that I AM and see me for WHO I AM.” –> How do you do that if you are constantly STREAMING I am THIS particular thing (a separate part of a whole)?

          • Coya

            I don’t have to go around parading my blackness but I don’t have to go around denouncing it either.

            • PolkaDots

              They aren’t denouncing it. To YOU they are because they don’t want to wear a label. And why are you calling someone by their color/race/ethnicity anyway? I don’t get it.

            • enlightenment

              Girl don’t bother. She trollin’!

            • guest

              But, they don’t have to denounce being “white” because they are constantly being referred to as “black” .. when they may consider themselves multi- racial (or whatever they want)

        • PolkaDots

          “Why be embarrassed by a race?” —> For some races/ethnicity the actions of the whole reflect negatively on the ONE.

          “It doesn’t reflect who you personally are or does it?” —> It goes back to what I was saying, that people LOVE to put people labels on people so YES, when a person SEES you and THINKS you are this or that what the WHOLE does affects the ONE.

          • Coya

            But whether I tell people to not call me black I will still be black so in reality me going around telling people not to call me black makes me look foolish. Whether people want to be called black or green, denouncing their race is not going to keep people from the outside to look at me as a black woman.

            If she was to apply for a job she will still be black or survey she will still be black. Denouncing your race changes nothing. You may still be judged by others and experience prejudice by others. So what did that change. Instead of wasting time on speaking nonsense how about trying to unify the communities and promote people being seen as equals. You don’t have to claim not black to do that .

            And every black woman’s life is not my life. Just because I’m black doesn’t mean that I’m ghetto or loud and crazy acting. And if someone automatically views me in that manner because of what I look like on the outside then that is their personal issue not mine. I’m not going to change who I am or the way I am because of other people’s ignorance.

            • PolkaDots

              “But whether I tell people to not call me black I will still be black so
              in reality me going around telling people not to call me black makes me
              look foolish.” –> no it doesn’t. If people are going to view you as a wh0re, FOR INSTANCE, and you tell them NOT to call you that does THAT make you look foolish?

              Or if they call you WOMAN, and you say don’t call me that, does THAT make you look foolish?

              Address them by their name and treat them as a PERSON and not a BLACK, ASIAN, etc person.

              • Dee

                exactly

            • PolkaDots

              “Whether people want to be called black or green, denouncing their race
              is not going to keep people from the outside to look at me as a black
              woman.” –> Again, refusing to be called by a color/race/ethnicity is NOT denouncing any of that like.

              You can’t help how people LOOK at you, from an OPTICAL perspective, but you CAN control how they TREAT YOU and they did that when they told you NOT to refer to them as this or that.

            • PolkaDots

              “If she was to apply for a job or doing a survey she will still be black.” –> How so? Because she looks it? Or because she does or does not check a box? Lives in a particular part of town etc?

              Nope. And even if she/he is viewed that way, AGAIN, some things can’t be controlled that doesn’t mean that she has to fall in line with such nonsense when CALLED OUT.

            • PolkaDots

              “Denouncing your race changes nothing. You may still be judged by others and experience prejudice by others.” –> You love the word “denounce” and it appears to be quite upsetting to you that someone does NOT wish to be viewed by their race/ethnicity/color. That’s YOUR hang up, not theirs.

              • Lorn

                I hear ya. Some of these women are ridiculous and project their own insecurities onto others.

            • PolkaDots

              “So what did that change. Instead of wasting time on speaking nonsense
              how about trying to unify the communities and promote people being seen
              as equals.” –> Again, it changed A LOT, you knew NOT to refer to them as such for starters…..You can’t do any such thing when people like YOU are constantly bringing up their differences.

            • PolkaDots

              “You don’t have to claim “not black” to do that” –> Again, it’s their choice, YOU don’t get to control that. That’s what you aren’t getting. You have control over YOU not others.

            • PolkaDots

              “And every black woman’s life is not my life. Just because I’m black doesn’t mean that I’m ghetto or loud and crazy acting.” —> No one said that you were but why is it that you chose to use THOSE words when describing Black women?

              Think about that.

              • Coya

                Because those are the stereotypes that are associated with black women. Let’s not try to go tic for tac. We know that these stereotypes exist and we know that they are forced upon and associated with black women. Which leads me to question why people denounce being or associated with black?

                If everything about black was related to something positive I wonder would people still do what they’re doing now. If I’m black and I go around saying that I’m not or don’t call me black it is denouncing being black. (I am black just don’t tell anyone or say that my race is black.)

                • PolkaDots

                  “Which leads me to question why people denounce being or associated with black?” –> This question has ALREADY been answered and not just by me but by the people who rejected your label.

                  Deal with it.

                • PolkaDots

                  “f I’m black and I go around saying that I’m not or don’t call me black it is denouncing being black.” –> No it’s not denouncing your Black.

                • Nowima Biggsixx

                  Let reparations get passed and “Black” folks are going to be coming out of the woodwork.

                • Dee

                  do you think rashida jones tries to disociate herself from her successful black dad? really?

            • PolkaDots

              ” And if someone automatically views me in that manner because of what I
              look like on the outside then that is their personal issue not mine.” –> Exactly, just like it’s THEIR personal choice NOT to list themselves as this or that or have YOU call them this or that.

            • PolkaDots

              “I’m not going to change who I am or the way I am because of other people’s ignorance.” –> And I’m sure they feel the EXACT same way.

              • Donna reid

                Wow that was amazing. Seriously, I’m multi racial. People say I must and shall be black. I tell them but I’m disregarding my mother, isn’t that wrong? They reply, no, because your prodominetely black. I say,my mother is native american/spainard father black/Irish. im apparently still black in the views of society. I don’t like to be called what I’m not and pertaining to my mother it doesn’t feel good to be told I can’t represent the culture I grew up with. My father didn’t raise me but I will never disregard him either so I say multiracial. Simple as that. I don’t see the issue. Yes we have roots in Africa, but I also have roots in Europe. They are all important to me.

                • Nowima Biggsixx

                  The majority of us who have ancestry that dates back to slavery in the US are multiracial. Black has so many definitions? It can be that you have sub Saharan African ancestry, it can be that you have certain visible physical characteristics. I don’t see how you identifying yourself as Black is disregarding your mother, you still have her DNA, and we know that African genes are dominant. I am Black, my father is not but he is still my father. Black doesn’t require purity, only White does, so if your mother is White is not you disregarding her, her kind is disregarding YOU.

                  • white guy

                    “Black doesn’t require purity, only White does.” Jesus Christ, listen to yourself! You’re might as well being quoting Neo-Nazis, word-for-word. Nowima, how do you know that her mother’s “kind” disregarded her? First of all, she says that her mother raised. That implies that her mother, the white woman, was there for her. And has her mother’s “kind”–I assume you mean white people all lumped into one group–disregarded her? Has she been abused or treated badly by all the white people in her life? I don’t know for sure, obviously. I don’t know her. But I would hazard to guess that there have been at least of few white people in her life who have treated her as an equal human being. We’re not living in the Jim Crow South any more. Yes, many white people are still racist and do bad things to black people. But a lot of us don’t. Why don’t you try to move beyond your racist mindset?

                • PolkaDots

                  ” so I say multiracial. Simple as that. I don’t see the issue.” –> Thanks for sharing.

                • PolkaDots

                  This needs to be directed to “COYA” not me babe.

                • Dee

                  exactly. and please continue to be proud of this because it’s the truth!

            • guest

              I don’t think it’s foolish, and you shouldn’t either. Things that are wrong won’t get changed if we base their merit on what is acceptable to “everyone else”.

            • Nowima Biggsixx

              “how about trying to unify the communities and promote people being seen as equals.: —-> EXACTLY!!! If both conditions were considered equal, there would be less concerned about the label. But the labels denote a certain value or worth. I think part of what’s happening is also related to “colorism”, as in the closer to the Aryan standard you are the more privileged value you have. That is why those who look visibly African look foolish when they say “not Black.” I happen to be racially mixed but what show is mostly African and what people see is Black. And I’m proud. Instead of saying I’m half, I say “I’m Black AND I’m..” I also say I’m African American because that’s the CULTURE I am most adapted to.

            • Paul Cruz

              The point I am trying to make Coya, is that I didn’t embrace being American because I was ashamed of anything, I embraced it because I was proud to be an American, we all should embrace that part, because in the end that is what we really are, Americans, just some folks still feel the need to add the prefix, which in reality is what continues to separate us, it’s still the divide and conquer mentality. So unless someone I encounter in my life demands to be recognized as a prefix American, then I just call them Americans. I personally am very proud to be an American without a prefix. so not everyone that wants to be recognized as American only, is ashamed of a part of themselves, they are actually happy for the opportunity to be American.

        • Paul Cruz

          I guess I’m the one that has to put a hole in your statement, and do so proudly, I AM AN AMERICAN, read my name and don’t expect me to claim to be anything but American, no race prefix to it and no color to it, just American. I’m proud of that, I served my country in Viet Nam and I still honor my American heritage, I am not living in the past and whining about my ancestry, I am living life to be a better person and showing that consideration to all I meet. the real sadness is that we can’t all just be Americans, there are still those who demand that their American status has to have a color prefix, shamefully that is what still divides us in America.

          • Coya

            Thank you for serving our country. I’m as proud to be an American as I am to be an African American. America is a melting pot full of different cultures and races and we should all be proud to be who we are. We should be able to celebrate all and be able to be joined as one without having to denounce our “color-prefix” and not feel ashamed or condemned for doing so.

          • Nowima Biggsixx

            Paul, the reason that we can’t just all be American is because some of us are assigned an inferior status based on our ancestry or physical characteristics, and based on that alone. It is not us who has the color prefix and we would love it if that division went away. However, we are not in a post racial society by any means and to act like we are is somewhat insulting. If you are not hindered in any way by your ancestry or physical characteristics that is great and I wish that we all get to where you are. I am not saying that one should let hinderance stop them from achieving anything, I am just saying it would be nice not to have that extra hurdle.

            • Dee

              this is the ony=ly sensible post that is pro african-american so far. please do try and work towards POST-RACIAL society though.

          • Dee

            amen

        • white guy

          Coya:

          You say, “You don’t see white people denouncing who they are, so why do black people do it?” (First of all, I think maybe you mean “renouncing”, not “denouncing”.) But isn’t that what people who are part white and part black are doing when they say, “I’m not white, I’m black.” They are renouncing their whiteness. Happens all the time. Those partially-white people ARE renouncing their whiteness.

          Of course someone who is 100% white is not going to claim they’re not white, just like you won’t find someone who is 100% black claiming they’re not black (leaving aside maybe a few crazies in both categories) . But among people who are a mixture of both, you often have some claiming they’re white (or just “not black”), and you have others, i would say a lot, who will say they’re black and nothing more. Among many African-Americans, they consider whiteness bad, undesirable. And not just because white people have done bad things historically (and today), but because they believe blacks are superior to whites.

          They express this view in varying ways. Some will openly say, “Blacks are superior to whites,” whereas most will express prejudiced opinions on small issues, and, when pressed, will eventually admit that they think blacks are better than whites. This point of view was perhaps most clearly articulated among some in the early Black Muslim movement who were openly racist towards whites, but it is a point of view that still permeates to varying degrees throughout the black community today. (And even some white people believe it.)

          How can a white guy like myself claim to know the point of view of the Black community, you may ask? Well, I have had black people say this to my face, that’s how. Not saying all Black people believe this, but some do.

          You could say this all stems from the “one drop” rule, but it seems to me that Black people have taken this rule and embraced it as their own. Yes, it’s good to celebrate your heritage, your cultural identity. But it also seems to me that some blacks have adopted the racist mindset that underpinned that rule in the first place. Why take the limited point of view that white people forced upon society with that rule and adopt it as your own? Yes, white people created the rule. But shouldn’t we–white, black, everybody–try to move beyond it?

          P.S. I have nothing against Black Muslims. I have some Black Muslim friends who have done nothing but treat me with respect and kindness. But living here in Oakland, California, the few times I have encountered open racism towards white people, it has come from Black Muslims.

          • Dee

            exaclyl. and it is this mentality that keeps some in the ghetto 🙁

    • Rayven Knight

      WELL SAID!!!! WELL SAID!!!!!

    • Nowima Biggsixx

      Coya, I agree with all that you are saying, I’d just like to add that when Black ceases to be a socially inferior status, then people will not have a problem with that label. Then we will know that the equality has been obtained, until then people will be tripping all over themselves to not be in that category.

    • Guest1205

      On a side note, as long as this guy is named “Shemar” people are going to assume that he is black.

      • Cucamonga

        His mom is white

        • Masterpieced

          Many slaves had white mamas. They were still slaves….

    • Lorn

      I’m sorry but no. I am a mixed race woman who’s parents are mixed and hav a lot of european ancestry. I do not call myself black but colored or mixed-race. I do not look fully black and have blue-green eyes and light skin but hair that is a kinky-curly texture. Because I didn’t know my ancestors, I should classify myself as black to suit you and many other black Americans? I won’t because I am not black but a mixed woman and I see nothing wrong if someone wants to claim their ancestry from centuries ago as from a genetic standpoint its still circling in their DNA. So, they’re right to acknowledge it if they so choose and no one should look down on what they choose to call themselves!

    • Cucamonga

      Your blackness, only in my opinion, should have come before your femaleness.

    • ILoveMelina(Real ILM)Yiorgos

      very very well said!!! If “and in that order” is a momma dee reference, i love you even more lol

  • lulubear

    What shemar said about himself is true tho

    • Coya

      Exactly but I don’t expect people that are mixed with white and black to just have to call themselves black. It’s just those people that reach and do the most by saying oh my great grandfather twice removed was mixed with a 1/8 white so I’m not black. SMH.
      Back then if you were a 1/20 black you were still black now people that are 99.987652% black are not black. #iamdone #goodday #smh #lol

      • speaksthetruth

        Girl, stop you’re making me laugh.

      • papaya

        you made me laugh, nothing but the truth. girls have 1% Brazilian/ Venezuelan and claim ” I’m half exotic.”

        • wingman

          A girl posted on her fb saying,” I’m not African.. My roots r from Jamaica..” Smh smh

          • Trisha_B

            What’s wrong w/ that? If her family is from Jamaica, & she celebrates that culture then that is what she is, not African

            • SunFlower78

              True, but most Jamaicans that are still in Jamaica claim and honor their African roots. It seems like a contradiction, but there is nothing wrong with honoring your heritage, wherever it is from.

              • Rorschach{◣⊻◢}

                not all Jamaicans are black. if we’re being consistent, its “your color + the land mass you’re a citizen of/ land mass you’re born on.”
                example: charlize theron = african. more specificly: south african. more specifically: white-south african. since she also became an american citizen, she is a white-south African/American. Akon is a black-Seneglese/American.

            • GeekMommaRants

              I guess its important to state that Asians are from Asia and Africans are from Africa. Do you think if a black woman had a child in China that child would be considered Chinese? NO! China is a place, A language and a people. The Chinese. Africa is a place with 5000 languages but is the ancestorial homeland of people with African features and dark skin. All black people’s ancestors came from Africa.

              • Trisha_B

                But how many Africans address themselves as just african? Not many. They are specific in how they identify themselves. They say they are Egyptian, Nigerian, Liberian, Ethiopian, etc. Asians don’t say they are Asian, they say there are Koren, Chinese, Etc. So again, why can’t black people be specific in how they identify themselves?

                • GeekMommaRants

                  Because of slavery, our heritage was removed. Our ancestors were tortured if they wanted to hold on to their African culture. If you know where your ancestors came from 400 years ago let me know. Most Americans would have an issue answering that question. I have had my DNA sampled and know that my ancestors were from Sierra Leone and Liberia.

                  • Trisha_B

                    I have a culture that I cherish & is very proud of. I don’t need to search up 400 years to find a culture

                    • GeekMommaRants

                      Everyone has a culture, some peoples no longer know their past. Think of Native Americans for a start.

                      Do you think your family line was different 400 years ago? Yep

                    • Guest1205

                      The question that you asked was “why can’t black people be specific in how they identify themselves?” GeekMommaRants answered the question you asked. Or was it a rhetorical question?

                    • oscardgrouch

                      That’s great for you. Too bad many folks had their culture STOLEN and will never know, unless they pay for a DNA test, the origins of their descendants.

                    • Trisha_B

                      You see how I spoke for myself? I didn’t speak for others. I can claim what I know. If someone does their DNA test & find out where their ancestors were from & want to claim it, that’s them. Everyone is different

                  • Anonymous

                    I’m curious because I’ve never done a DNA sample before or met someone that have, when you send in your sample and fill out your form to send back do they ask for your ethnicity? Like do it tell you to check the box that you identify yourself as? Thank you.

                    • GeekMommaRants

                      No, you take a swab of saliva and seal it up in the kit you receive, then wait for the results. Most African Americans have less than 70% of African genes. My test showed that I am 55% African and 45% something else.

                    • Anonymous

                      Thanks that’s always what I’ve been curious about. I thought that on the paper were you fill out your name, phone number, address, and email that they also ask you to check off you’re ethnicity. I would love to get mines done but I never knew which company was authentic or just wanted your money.

                    • Amanthasay

                      That is fascinating. I would love to discover which part of Africa my ancestors came from.

                • wingman

                  Bcuz the majority of black ppl in America do not know specifically where in Africa they are from due to slavery. The ones that do which u mentioned above are recent immigrants.

                  • Trisha_B

                    No, there are 3rd, 4th generation Americans that want to be addressed by the culture

                • LeeLeeC

                  Good point….I hate the term African American…I just consider myself a black Trini. I know some of my roots is African, but I’m not African. I can go back as far as stories of my grandparents and both my grandfather on my fathers side and grandmother on my mothers side were both half breathes but considered themselves “black”

                • BOUND2014

                  @trisha Unless you have done a DNA test that reveals your genetic ancestry you have know idea what your ethnic identity is as an African American who traces his/her ancestry back to enslaved Africans. Africans were colonized not enslaved and shipped off, so it would stand to reason that they know their nationality and their ethnicity/tribe/. @ whoever keeps confusing being Jewish with being an ethnic/racial group. For the record, to be Jewish is to have a religious affiliation to Judaism. It is not an ethnic group/not a language/nor is it a race. Hebrew is the language, Yiddish is a German dialect that some Jews speak. Jews like Muslims and Christians come from various ethic, and racial backgrounds.

              • guest

                So would the child be African or Asian?

                • Nina928

                  the child would be of African descent, nationality Chinese.
                  For instance my father was Spanish & Venezuelan born in Puerto Rico – because of his birthplace, P.R., his nationality Puerto Rican

                • free true

                  are u all serious ?? all of u on here making these comments bout racism n color!! who of u all experienced racism literally?? and i have a question? is this suppose to be a meeting of minds?? there ARE a few on here who need educating on manners, this seems like a forum for solutions but there is more name calling and arguments going on, a few of u have valid points, but remember to bring a fact to an opinion is worth more, {educate, not BERATe}

              • wingman

                Thank you!

                • GeekMommaRants

                  Thank you as well.

                  • Meka B

                    I imagine the company you used was reputable for DNA check. Would recommend them? And how much did it cost if you don’t mind? And what was the company?

                    • GeekMommaRants

                      I used the familytreednadotcom Yes I would give a recommendation I got what I paid for. The cost is around $200-400.00 depending which test you wish performed. The process is

                      1. You order your DNA test and pay the fee.
                      2. You will receive a DNA test kit, in which you lick a squab and seal the squab in a return specimen envelope.
                      3. About three weeks to two months later you receive your report.
                      4. This report will only show which part of the DNA was tested. It may not be complete as the number of ancestors expanses to infinity after 20 generations.
                      5. It is real nice to know where your ancestors hail from, it means a
                      lot.

              • Chris

                Well I feel as though its a double standard when it comes to that. There are white South Africans and Zimbabweans. Even though the blood coursing through their veins is not African thats still what they claim they are. But if a black person is born and raised in Ireland would the world accept them as Irish?

                • GeekMommaRants

                  I stick to the features that I have. If I had almond eyes and black silky hair, I would be Asian and not African. This is how I determine what group I belong to.

              • Rorschach{◣⊻◢}

                “Do you think if a black woman had a child in China that child would be considered Chinese?”

                -yes they technically would. they would be a black-[african country]-chinese, whether the world accepts that term or not.

                • GeekMommaRants

                  No, Chinese are full-blood, meaning pure. To be a citizen of China one has to be full-blood. An African woman would have an African baby regardless of who the father is. You see this in the US and around the world.

                  • Rorschach{◣⊻◢}

                    what? there is no full-blooded anything. listen these countries are just rocks that people are standing on. Chinese soil is not part of their DNA. If i took the DNA of anyone in china it would only prove that they are human, period.

                    • GeekMommaRants

                      Full-blood means pure Chinese. Chinese DNA means almond eyes, black straight hair and pale skin. Each group has racial features. This is humanity.

                    • Rorschach{◣⊻◢}

                      there’s Chinese DNA? ok, you’re obviously not versed in biology, so let this one go. Chinese DNA, pure Chinese… i’ve officially heard it all.

                    • GeekMommaRants

                      You have never been to school. Where do you think Chinese people get their racial features from, knowing you, from whites? There is Chinese DNA which is why Chinese folks do not look like the Japanese people. Japanese have their own DNA Everyone does. Geez

                    • Rorschach{◣⊻◢}

                      there is no such thing as Chinese DNA. And no, Japanese DO NOT have their own DNA either. Ask any bio major or professor if you don’t believe me. Your question though as to why each ethnic group has its distinct feature is due to genetic drift more so, the founders effect. Look it up, I just did, and found it very interesting, and my apologies for being sh!t-head, lol. Just read my previous comments, and i should have been much much kinder to you.

                    • Dee

                      lol

                    • Dee

                      the first people in china were from africa. were their kids less chinese cause they came from africa? At which point did they stop being african and start being chinese… 🙂

                    • Dee

                      amen!

                  • Dee

                    Well that’s wrong

                • Dee

                  YES! This is true, thank you!

              • Rorschach{◣⊻◢}

                also, Africa is the ancestral home of all people.

              • Kylie

                Actually China also has many different cultures and languages and yes I would assume that children born to Chinese citizens would be considered Chinese no matter what their skin colour. As for all blacks being African – you haven’t heard of the Australian Aborigines (5000 nations there alone), Papua New Guineans or the Islanders like the Samoans, Fijians, Indians etc. They all come in varying shades of brown to black. Being black isn’t something that is bestowed on those with African ancestry alone. What culture a person identifies with is a personal issue, if a person has one great grandparent who is African American and all the others were White American is it so hard to understand that they may identify more readily with the white side of their heritage. Fitting them into a culture that they don’t identify with for whatever reason simply because of their skin colour seems a bit odd.

                • GeekMommaRants

                  I see your point, my earlier comment says that all black folks are African. I have learned different. I watched a Nigerian Author explained what you have written.

                  I know better now. Thank you.

            • oscardgrouch

              If she is a black Jamaican than she is of African descent. How they heck does she thing her folks ended up in Jamaica??

              • Trisha_B

                Where did i say she wasn’t of african descent??! I said she can claim what she’s familiar with. She’s familiar w: the jamaican culture so let her claim it.

              • Dee

                how many white south africans say i’m dutch-african or english-african!!? No! They look at you and say i’m south african dude and do you aregue? No!!!

          • Rorschach{◣⊻◢}

            she’s right, if she’s black she would be a black-Jamaican. It ain’t hard man.

          • LeeLeeC

            Hahahahaha I remember that one…she was a special case…lol

        • PolkaDots

          You can’t rely say that they aren’t. We can all do a quick calculation of our genetic make up like with Aubry’s ex getting upset that his daughter is called black.

          Well doing a quick calc she is only about 25% Black but to determine EXACTLY how much of this or that she is would require genetic testing.

          Kids/people take after their grandparents/great grandparents so you really can’t say that someone is this or that because they LOOK a particular race.

          I have NO problem with someone saying that are a part this or that even if it’s a great grandparent because AGAIN, kids/people take after all sides, any side. As long as they are saying it as it being A PART of who they are and NOT exclusively.

          • Guest1205

            Here’s the deal. Social constructs take a long time to evolve and that is why people are calling Aubry’s kid “black”, like it or not. Back in the “olden” days this child might have been called a “quadroon” which still meant…ummm, black.

            • PolkaDots

              I’m not arguing your point of view per say. Point is, HE doesn’t want his kid labeled that. Whether it’s because it denies HIS patrilineal or not that’s how he feels and I don’t see anything wrong with it.

              • none

                Well he really should have thought of that before he went r@w in a black but he seems slow anyways
                .

                • PolkaDots

                  Whatever dude. Still doesn’t change the fact that the kid is only a quarter Black.

            • PolkaDots

              YOU will call it BLACK but I think we ALL will find that there will be a shift in HOW people define themselves. Your or my interpretation of who someone is doesn’t mean anything.

              • Guest1205

                This is why I said that social constructs take time to evolve. And what I think as an individual doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things. The point I am making is that “societal” values will have an impact on how this kid is perceived, and Aubrey can’t do much about that right now.

                • PolkaDots

                  It doesn’t matter because with THAT logic she’s above it. She’s money dude so it doesn’t matter and with that SAME logic she won’t be viewed as anything but NON-BLACK.

                  She doesn’t look a bit Black my dear. Just saying.

                  • GeekMommaRants

                    So David Duke would see a white chick?

                    • human being

                      If David Duke would see it a certain way, you are going to adopt the same point of view? We are saying, create a new way of seeing it.

                    • GeekMommaRants

                      Actually, where are the facts? Is being male or female a matter of personal perspective?

                    • PolkaDots

                      Please shut the f^ck up and get off my post. (And stop doing that name change sh!t — Totally annoying)

                    • GeekMommaRants

                      Totally stupid! Cannot answer a simple question. Retard!

                    • PolkaDots

                      “Totally stupid! Cannot answer a simple question. Retard!” —-> Clearl you are. Now learn to READ and get the f^ck off my post.

                    • GeekMommaRants

                      I’m having fun with the retard, you idiot! Dumbass, Moron YOU!!

                    • PolkaDots

                      Awwwhhhhh, you’re hurt..hahahahahaha..Again, s^ck a d!ck and get the f^ck off my post.

                  • shebaone

                    I’m half Black, and like Halle Barry I have a white mom and a Black dad who I did not grow up with. I was raised exclusively by Caucasians in mostly towns that were not at all diverse and nearly all white, and really lost out on getting to identify with Black culture. I harbor a lot of regret because of this. I didn’t want to self identify as Black either because I really didn’t feel like I fit into “Black culture.” Now I realize how terrible this was for me. I had a lot of privileges that Black people with two Black parents did not enjoy–people told me I didn’t look Black and often refused to believe me when I insisted that I was, and they’d say very racist things like “you don’t talk like you are Black. You are too pretty to be Black.” things that stung and still upset me when I remember them. Still, it was always obvious that I was different. When you live as the only non-white person with a bunch of white people, it’s hard to say you are white.

                    My daughter like Aubrey is just a quarter Black. She doesn’t look Black at all either but that’s not a reason to insist she isn’t Black. I want her to be able to celebrate that part of her ethnicity as much as she celebrates the other 3 quarters of things she is (which don’t quite work out like that because her dad and I are so mixed that she ends up being mostly Irish when all is said and done). If her father refused to admit she was Black I would leave him immediately. To act like it’s shameful or that there is something wrong in claiming a part of who you are is really disgusting, and he is giving her a terrible message about being Black just by behaving that way.

                    Internalized racism really has done a number on people. They want to distance themselves from their Black heritage simply because they can, but It makes it seem like there is something inherently wrong with being Black and that is nauseating. My daughter may not look Black, and people may not think she is Black, but I want to her to be able to celebrate the part of her that is Black–I do not want to rule the Black part of her null and void. If she said she didn’t want to claim any of her Black heritage (and again–she is only technically 25% and could belong to the DAR if she wanted to) I would feel I had failed her.

                    We should be proud of who we are, and all parts that make us who we are should be honored and respected. My Black ancestors were instrumental in giving their blood, sweat and tears to make this country what it is today and there should be no shame or stigma attached to that. Most of the people featured in this piece are sad and pathetic, and strangely racist. It is not good to perpetuate such attitudes, regardless of how Black they appear to be or not.

                    • PolkaDots

                      Dude save the books because seriously I have 0 interest in reading all that. Point is, it’s HIS daughter and until she comes of age where she can identify for HERSELF it’s whatever HER PARENTS list on forms/docs.

                      If her dad has a problem with her being referred to as BLACK maybe it’s because YOU ARE DISCOUNTING his role in her parentage. Dunno. But what I DO know is that it’s an individual thing. It’s not YOUR business NOR mine HOW someone classifies themselves and to say that they MUST where a badge on their chest stating what part or parts they OR they are some how ASHAMED of themselves is CRAZINESS.

                    • shebaone

                      no point in arguing with someone who doesn’t like to read. The abridged version is this: What is wrong with his daughter being part Black? Nothing. So why does he have a problem with it?

                      Why is this significant? Halle Barry is self identified as Black. She won an Oscar and in her acceptance speech she stood up on stage with her statue in front of millions of people, crying about how honored and proud she was to be Black and how important it was for her to see that history was finally changing and it was possible for a black woman to “win one for the team” so to speak. But now her own kid is not allowed to say she’s Black? This is not at the exclusion of other things, but it still is in there. So if Halle Barry very publicly claims to be proud to be Black only to have a kid who is not allowed to acknowledge that part of herself–that is for all intents and purposes WHACK. it is ridiculous. It suggests that it is an undesirable thing to be and that the quarter part of her Blackness is entirely insignificant. It sends a message to his kid that it’s problematic even though she is many other things too. And that’s fucked up.

                    • PolkaDots

                      “no point in arguing with someone who doesn’t like to read.” (let me finish that for you)..sh!t. That’s exactly what you are typing a bunch of sh!t.

                      Rationalize it how YOU see fit but this kid isn’t full any “self-hate” because he/she chooses NOT to broadcast to the world their ethnicity/race. It’s not about a TEAM dude.

                    • shebaone

                      I never said one thing about self hate. I don’t even see it like that. I just think it’s very small minded of the father. If Halle Barry says that she’s proud to be Black, there is something off-putting about the father of her child getting upset about their kid being part Black. I never once said she had to solely identify as Black-but to deny that it’s there at all? Broadcast she’s Black? Who said that? Nor is it about a TEAM–I agree. But she is part Black whether he likes it or not and there is nothing that’s going to change that either.

                    • PolkaDots

                      Save your books for the morons who are stupid enough to READ THEM. My points have been made a LOOONNNGG time ago. At this point you are being a ridiculous.

                    • Dee

                      he’s not upset she’s part black. he wouldn’t have slept with her mum, let her mum have the baby, agreed to be a part of baby’s life and be snapped carrying her if her was ‘upset’ about that. he’s upset someone called her black. big difference.

                    • PolkaDots

                      Again, save the book. You’re not going to convince me of ANYTHING.

                    • Atimion

                      Shebone:

                      I’m black/Afro-American and I was raised in an almost all white suburban neighborhood in Miami, Fl. Me and my other black friends didn’t speak ghetto English, came from two black parent middle class homes and traveled extensive abroad. We were teased and told we “weren’t black”! So when you say “I had a life most blacks with two black parents didn’t have” is incorrect. I know you didn’t mean any harm, but there are plenty of upper and middle class pure black folks in America, I’m one of them.

                    • shebaone

                      I’m sorry to have said it like that and apologize for having misspoken. I don’t mean to say that my experience was totally different than a person with two Black parents who travel in predominantly White circles, and I know people who have two Black parents who have experienced exactly what I was referring to. I have also been told by people who refer to themselves as having “two Black parents” that my experience was not like theirs, but that is definitely not to say that there are plenty of people with two Black parents that might disagree with that generalization. Sometimes people who have more anglo features are not subjected to the same indignities and direct racism that people who look less mixed experience. There is that old saying “If your white, you’re all right, if you’re brown, stick around, if you’re Black, stay back.” Even Black people give preferential treatment to lighter skinned Black people. And sometimes lighter skinned Black people are ridiculed by people darker than themselves…racism is is a problem even in the Black community, but the notion that lighter is better is a direct construction of White supremacist thinking and it all goes back White people brain washing Black people into thinking that the darker you are the more objectionable you might be.

                    • Atimion

                      I can’t agree with you on whites treating light-skinned black better either. Look at the President, he’s “mixed” and still subjected to racism. Heck, some don’t like him because he’s mixed! I do agree that “we” ( black folks) still have colorism in our community and it’s not only sad but embarrassing as well!

                    • shebaone

                      Being mixed by no means makes you immune to racism, I never once suggested that it did, and Obama is proof of that too. You can have a president raised entirely by his white family, but people are racist enough to constantly tell him to “go back to Africa.” But I think it’s been to Obama’s advantage that he’s mixed, at least where White voters are concerned and a lot of White people are influenced by “colorism” too, just like I’ve seen it in the Black community. My half sister’s father’s family is Black from New Orleans, but they are extremely light skinned–half of them appear to be White and they all have blue green eyes…and I’ve seen and heard them say very derogatory things about darker skinned Black people. It might not be prevalent, but it does happen.

                    • Dee

                      agreed

                    • Dee

                      She can be proud in saying her grand dad is black. She would be correct in saying that and incorrect in saying she is black. Just cause your grandparent was working class doesn’t mean you have to be working class. Black people are wonderful and beautiful, but when they are singled out and given a label when everyone else isn’t that’s what some people disagree with and rightly so in my opinion. You aren’t necessarily distancing yourself if choose to identify with what you biologically are as opposed to what 25%of you is.

                    • shebaone

                      I’m not proposing that she identify as Black to the exclusion of everything else. I simply think there is no reason to make such a big deal about her NOT being Black. I do not demand that my own daughter identify as Black-as she’s also only 25% and she’s not Black in appearance. However, she does know that it is a part of her heritage because I’m half Black and darker than my daughter, and if her dad pitched a big fit about it even being mentioned I would be pretty pissed off about it.

                  • Dee

                    Exactly. And yet someone is gonna try and tell her she’s black… so confusing for the poor girl!

                • PolkaDots

                  It’s not taking that long for “social constructs” to evolve. Halfies are ALREADY and have been for some time, just the MINORITY side is only NOW finding out, that they don’t claim them.

                  Not saying right or wrong. Should or should not. What I AM saying is that it’s not anyone’s business but the individual and as with the days of “passing” certain things just ain’t gonna apply and that whole “SHE’s looked at as Black” yeah um that’s only gonna fly with YA’LL because the average wh!te person wouldn’t say she is anything of the sort.

                  • Guest1205

                    Whether or not it is “ya’ll” (assuming that you mean blacks) are the only ones calling this child black is speculation. All I know is that Aubrey is objecting to his child being called “black.” Maybe it’s her mama doing it for all we know. LOL.

                    From what I have read, social constructs, by their very nature, tend to change slowly, but they can and do change.

                    Personally, I don’t care whether or not this child is going to call herself “black.” Really.

                    And what does money have to do with this? Are you saying that class is the most important factor here?

                    • PolkaDots

                      And what does money have to do with this?” ” Are you saying that class is the most important factor here?”–> No one is going to see her COLOR at $$ level. They are going to see WHOSE kid she is. The social circles SHE will run in won’t give a f^ck. She’s going to be dope because of who her MOTHER is. Let’s be real. So her COLOR/RACE/ETHNICITY WILL NOT be an issue.

                      Tracee Ellis Ross did an interview with the breakfast club about her show and was asked something about being “Black” or “half-Black” or a “Ross” and whether it was an issue and she was like no because she went to school with the kids of (NAME OF THE CELEBRITIES) and EVERYONE’s parents were this or that so they (the kids) were half of something.

                      Bottom line at $$ level, no one gives a f^ck. The ONLY people who give a f^ck about this kid’s race and want or WILL want her to PICK A SIDE are poor people.

                • Meka B

                  The irony is you are speaking of social contructs which is based around “close minded” individuals, which you seem to be,

            • Nina928

              technically his child is 1/3 black which as Halle is BI-RACIAL and the father is white Spaniard as is the child which, obviously, does not look black so why should he say she is black. why is it that black people always want the black be acknowledged and the other race ignored. Like with Obama: oh a black president. Helloooo, he is half white but in his case he can not deny his blackness – he looks it.

            • taz harry

              Yup, and later on, if and if Aubry’s daughter couldn’t or wouldn’t want to claim her Black heritage, let her try to run for president of the USA. Ask Obama why the whole world calls a half WHITE and half Black man the first BLACK president of the USA.

            • Dee

              yeah, but that was a silly system. this is now the 21st century. we are hopefully smarter now…oh wait. WE’RE NOT!

          • Nowima Biggsixx

            Ok, first of all, we have greater knowledge than we did back in the old days when we just split things into halves, quarter, eigths, eitc.. We now know that genetics doesn’t work that way. Halle Berry’s child could be up to 50% Black if we accept that her father has no sub-Saharan African ancestry and that Halle received 100% sub-Saharan African ancestry from her father. You get half you genes from each of your parents, 23 plus 23. It could be the 23 that your grandmother gave your parent or 23 that your grandfather gave but most of the time it’s mixed. However, given that it’s an uneven number, you are unlikely to get an even split. That’s gives you 46 genes, but when you pass it on to your children you can only give them 23. Thus it is possible that Halle could have given Nahla all 23 genes that Halle received from her father.

            • PolkaDots

              Dude you are sooo reaching with this crap. You REALLY want this kid to claim Black. You really do. The fact of the matter is SHE DOESN’T have to and NO, her father doesn’t have to want his kid to either.

              Cut the sh!t because a quick, JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL calculation of her genetic makeup would have her 75% Wh!te AT LEAST. Doing genetic testing could say more OR less because (again) kids take after grandparents, great grandparents etc.

              Don’t give me this WELL WE ALL HAIL FROM AFRICA crap soo…So what? We all know that life started in Africa but that STILL does NOT make ANY OF US more African.

              FOOH.

              • Dee

                agreed. let’s see how may 1/4 white people who look black say they’re white ha!

            • Sweetiepie

              Nowima, your post is biologically WRONG!!!! It is impossible that Hallie’s child could only receive her black grandfather’s genes. That kind of logic is the kind of BS David Duke would post!!!

        • Nowima Biggsixx

          Many Brazilians and Venezuelans have African ancestry.

          • papaya

            Yes, everyone if trace back has some African in them. Even that 1%, but what I meant is that a lot of chicks think throwing that one percent around will make them more acceptable or consider pretty in society ….. I’m carribean identify with black, when asked … I do not break down percentages …. I am Afro Latina and own it.

            • pink skinned guy

              Actually, if everyone REALLY traces back, we’re all African.

            • Rorschach{◣⊻◢}

              jeesus christ people africa is just a rock that some people are standing on. Unless you’re the kinky type you can’t have a rock in you. we are human beings, as the barriers between people and cultures erode we will all realize this and figure out that our earlier ideas of phenotypical differences are purely due to locational/regional-adaptations.

              • Dee

                yes!

          • GeekMommaRants

            If one has African ancestry this means they have African features. Those with African features are African. Kinky Hair, Broad Nose, Brown or Black skin. The folks with these features are African. If some do not have these African features, they are not African. There are facts about what part of the world one comes from.

            • Rorschach{◣⊻◢}

              wrong! there are white africans.

              • GeekMommaRants

                There is such a thing as African features, whites in the continent of Africa are European not African, much like the Europeans in China, They (THE PINKS) are not Chinese.

                • Rorschach{◣⊻◢}

                  wrong again. whites born in Africa are very much African. They are white-Africans or [place european country here] + African. hugo weaving was born in nigeria, he is a white-nigerian-australian or a white-african-australian.

                  • GeekMommaRants

                    No No No! Egyptians created extensions and weaves. I live in a African centred world, you live in white world.

                    • Rorschach{◣⊻◢}

                      lol, you’re deluded. china, asia, africa, america, europe, jamaica, those are nothing more than rocks. biologically there exists only one race of human beings that can’t be further broken down. there are no superior or sub-class forms of the homo sapien sapien genus (which we all belong to). there is no gene that says these people are black, these are white, these are yellow, these people are red or brown, none at all. there is no gene that you can manipulate to make someone white or chinese. cut it out momma

                    • GeekMommaRants

                      Actually in my family are Asians and Europeans but the kids all look the same as I do. Black never,ever cracks.

                    • Rorschach{◣⊻◢}

                      you gave up long time ago.

                    • Dee

                      eh?

                  • Dee

                    thank you. i honestly think you’re the only person with a brain on here! It’s so simple, why do people over-complicate!!!!

              • Dee

                seriously GeekMommaRants no offence but you’ve got it so wrong! wentworth miller up there doesn’t have too many black features i can see, but he has recent black history. If he mugged me in the street and i said a black guy did it, there’s no way in hell they’d find him cuse he doesn’t look black. If he identifies as black and i said, yo police, a white dude mugged me if he was a suspect he’d say no, i’m black! He looks white and in my opinion he is a white american with black blood. And, yes there are are white africans.

                • Rorschach{◣⊻◢}

                  exactly race, is purely superficial we place way too much importance on it.

            • Dee

              what you just said was so silly sorry, but I lol’d!

          • since1619

            It appears that the “money whitens” philosophy is still alive and well in some of the comments from celebrities and respondents to this website. In the upper 50 “American” United States, it was always a myth and no well-informed African American adhered to this folk belief. While in the West Indies and parts of South America with large populations of people with African ancestry, it is a belief that is still widely held. African Americans who have lived in North America for a long period of time realize that we have to actively participate in politics, educate ourselves about economics, and study the U. S. social structure, etc., in order to come close to realizing the “American Dream.” Lightening your racial ancestry or denying the African part of it went out of style with high-top shoes. WhenJames Brown’s song I am Black and I am proud hit the charts during the Civil Rights Movement, this was supposed to be the death knell of this slow way to move up the economic and social ladder. If I had to deny my racial background the way you have to in Brazil and Venezuela, it would take me forever to gain the rights that others enjoy in those societies. Also, when you deny your blackness you are saying that black is not something to be proud of. Bottom line: When you say that you are just an American, you demonstrate that you do not know much about U. S. history and its related socio-economic and political structures. Now, if you look like Roshida Jones and/or Wentworth Miller, you will be able to use that social theory to your advantage.

        • Nina928

          anyone with Latin origins is exotic. Black people want to force the black on someone who is has some black in them because of a great grandparent, even though that person is white skinned, blue eyes and good hair. features that are not black.

          • Cucamonga

            Nothing exotic about being a child of colonization.

      • Get Over Yourself

        Yep!! That one drop theory that the old folks talked to me about.

      • Atimion

        Too funny!

      • George Stevenson

        People who say “one drop of black blood makes you black” are illogical and insulting. One drop of contaminated water into pure water makes it contaminated. So, if one drop of black blood make someone black, they are treating black blood as a contaminant. RIDICULOUS!! A person is what only he/she can decide.

        • oscardgrouch

          Blame the whites who came up with the “one-drop theory.” Til this day in America, one drop still deems you black.

          • George Stevenson

            There is plenty of blame not only for “whites” but for blacks as well who accept “one drop” as a fact. I am white, American-born with ancestry of an ethnic group that was derided as stupid. I never responded when some one would call me
            “ethnic?”-American. I saw it as their deficiency, not mine.

            • D’Truth

              I agree! People who do not even look black, shouldn’t have to claim “black”, because of that one drop.. It’s ridiculous!!! I.e: Mariah Carey, Wentworth Miller, Halle Berry’s daughter… This is getting way out of hand. The problem I have, is when people who’s african ancestry is undeniable, when you look at them, claim to be anything BUT black. It kills me, but whatever… As I’ve previously said, let people call themselves whatever they want, but unfortunately (for those who do not want to be seen or referred to as black), the world being what it is will let them know what they see them as… which a lot of times, is JUST black.

              • Dee

                i agree with this on the whole, but tiger woods is only like a 1/4 african and looks dark (what some people may say black) he shouldn’t have to identify as black because of how he looks when he’s in fact more asian… i think his white and black portions are equal actually…

          • Dee

            then change it silly! it’s the 21st century!!!!!!!!

    • louise_1

      Doesn’t matter much what shemar moore says as he’s such an idiot. He’s a fool.

  • yoda

    maybe rashida wasn’t as tan as she was back then but i knew she wasn’t white. especially with a name like rashida. i don’t believe that biracial people especially those who don’t ‘look’ black should have to call themselves JUST black. mariah carey calls herself black but it’s a problem for wentworth miller not to? i didn’t see him denouncing blackness but i guess not celebrating it makes it bad? i wouldn’t know. i’m clearly black so i’m just speculating lol

    • Tonie

      Type in Rashida Jones in the search bar and read some stories about her. You’d be surprised.

      • yoda

        she’s just…ugh. i used to think she was alright but i know how she lived with her mother while her sister wanted to live with their father. i know she act like she don’t wanna be thought of as having anything to do with being black.

        • wingman

          Which one was it that was engaged to Tupac.. Rashida or Her sister ?

          • hi-liter

            Rashida claim she was engaged to Tupac.

            • Sarah

              No, it was Kidada that was engaged to Tupac.

          • yoda

            Kidada was with him but I’m not sure if they were engaged

          • STONEISBACK

            test

          • STONEISBACK

            Yeah this article was pretty silly. First of all Zoe Saldana was the
            first one to tell people she was Afro- Dominican she insists on being
            called that not Hispanic/Latina. It is an ethic group the same as
            German American or Scottish American is an ethnic group.. there are no races people. So If Steffins is stating she is not African from the
            U.S. that is correct. She is a Afro-islander/Carribean which is a
            different cultural ethnic group. Ethnically mixed is just that
            ethnically mixed. Halley barry’s daddy is correct in the sense no matter what his objectives are his daughter is more ethnically European American than Afro-American. Her mother is only half Afro-American herself. So it is ridiculous to say the girl is completely
            Afro-American or even biracial.

            The one drop stereotype and the term “race” needs to end with the sl**e masters that created it. It is a stereotype that has no place in
            science, logic and a modern thinking society. In truth every human on the planet is ethnic and represents either own individual ethnic
            societies.

            • Kit

              how is German or Scottish an ethnic group? those are NATIONALITIES. They’re all Caucasian are they not?

              • Nina

                No matter what the outdated and terrible “one drop” rule stated, one drop of black blood or Euro blood doesn’t make a person black or white. If you have both in your DNA you ARE bi-racial. I worked with several Jamaican women years ago and although both women looked down on black Americans (I did a double take when I heard the first anti-African American slur come out of her mouth), I also learned about the societal distinctions among darker and lighter skinned Jamaicans, wow! I walked into the department where they both worked and the lighter skinned girl was fuming and the darker girl, very classy and in control, walking away. When I approached the light skinned girl because I had to review a claim with her, she said as I was walking to her desk (about the darker skinned woman) “If we were home she’d be washing my floors!” That was my first introduction to that type of, well what would you call it? “Skin-ism”?

                • Tamara Hurt

                  We are all missing the boat regarding this article. It doesn’t matter who your parents are, in the eyes of most, being that we live in such a racist society, you are pre-judged according to your APPEARANCE! If you look black (features, hair texture) you will be treated as such! It doesn’t matter the ethnicity of your parents or where they are originally from! if a person doesn’t disclose their personal information regarding their parents, we wouldn’t know! Unfortunately in today’s society, you are based on your appearance, gender, education, skills etc.! Those who many would call bi-racial quickly denounce their African lineage because of how African’s are viewed in the media, streets, news everywhere! Therefore, many seeking fame who could ‘pass’ would try to and with some it has become chic to say they’re mixed even if they aren’t!

                  Jamaicans, Haitians, Brazilians, Black American and others all came from AFRICA but settled in different parts of the world! Isn’t it strange how America groups all Hispanics yet separate those of African decent? Jamaicans, Haitians, Trinidadians etc; divide and conquer! So while we’re debating about who classify themselves as whatever ‘ethnicity’, they’re thinking of other ways to eradicate, poison and kill US! All preceding groups I mentioned above, belong in the African category but we can’t because we are unable to exactly pinpoint where in Africa because we’ve lost everything!!! To put it mildly they are all black as well and when I say black, I use it to describe everyone who are our people! Society hail European features as gorgeous and must be obtained! Brainwashing sheeple to believe, if you look a certain way, you will be treated like royalty! White is right or the lighter the better… Those delusional folks begin to hate themselves and would seek out a plastic surgeon to discuss their alterations choices! Many should stop there but others go overboard and become addicted to plastic surgery!

                  Racism is everywhere and in every culture including Hispanic society! Whites discriminate amongst themsleves as well!!! Deep and all psychological and all in the mind..

                  • Robert K. Blair

                    We are ALL from Africa. It’s where life began for humans…

                    • Tamara Hurt

                      Do your research! The ‘out of Africa’ theory has been debunked! Neanderthal’s did not derive from Africans!

                    • Robert K. Blair

                      Most archaeologists think that Homo sapiens sapiens first lived in Africa, so I don’t know what you are on about. What kind of racist idiot would think Neanderthals came AFTER Africans? We are all descended from those first Homo sapiens sapiens that came from Africa. Nobody mentioned Neanderthals until you brought it up… Do you honestly believe that people of different colors are different species? If so, you need to do some research, yourself.

                    • Possibly.

                    • Kerry Langston

                      Read the Bible !

                    • Robert K. Blair

                      Not many Atheists read the religious tomes of the different beliefs out there, but thanks for the suggestion.

                    • twoperrin

                      Lmao Umm Christianity was forced on “African” by Europeans. So telling him to read the bible will in no way change his mind to the facts Kerry.

                    • G Beefly

                      Which version?

                    • Robert K. Blair

                      Most archaeologists think that Homo sapiens sapiens first lived in Africa, so I don’t know what you are on about. What kind of racist idiot would think Neanderthals came AFTER Africans? We are all descended from those first Homo sapiens sapiens that came from Africa. Nobody mentioned Neanderthals until you brought it up… Do you honestly believe that people of different colors are different species? If so, you need to do some research, yourself.

                    • Robert K. Blair

                      Most archaeologists think that Homo sapiens sapiens first lived in Africa, so I don’t know what you are on about. What kind of racist idiot would think Neanderthals came AFTER Africans? We are all descended from those first Homo sapiens sapiens that came from Africa. Nobody mentioned Neanderthals until you brought it up… Do you honestly believe that people of different colors are different species? If so, you need to do some research, yourself.

                    • Robert K. Blair

                      Most archaeologists think that Homo sapiens sapiens first lived in Africa, so I don’t know what you are on about. What kind of racist idiot would think Neanderthals came AFTER Africans? We are all descended from those first Homo sapiens sapiens that came from Africa. Nobody mentioned Neanderthals until you brought it up… Do you honestly believe that people of different colors are different species? If so, you need to do some research, yourself.

                    • Robert K. Blair

                      Most archaeologists think that Homo sapiens sapiens first lived in Africa, so I don’t know what you are on about. What kind of racist idiot would think Neanderthals came AFTER Africans? We are all descended from those first Homo sapiens sapiens that came from Africa. Nobody mentioned Neanderthals until you brought it up… Do you honestly believe that people of different colors are different species? If so, you need to do some research, yourself.

                    • Didi

                      We are not Neanderthals! We are Homo sapiens another species!!!!

                    • K

                      It hardly matters where people are from… as long as you and others continue to classify people as a different color, they will continue to be separate and thus, not one people, and thus there is room for racism. The fact that you want to force everyone who has some african in them to say they are black, is a very chauvinist thing to do. Some people are seeing this and the fact that people are fed up with being treated different because they are seen as black, choose to disassociate themselves and they cannot be blamed. Black people are some of the most racist people out there. (According to you and like-minded people I am black). We don’t see white people making a list of “white people who date blacks”. I’m not saying that some white people aren’t race. But Black people who don’t want to be racist and stay in the racist parade get bombarded by other black people. No support your fellow blacks… Not because you don’t identify as black means you don’t support black people. I’m from Belize, and a lot of Belizeans are trying to adopt this american black people mentality and it pisses me off. Perhaps you all had a struggle but our people have been cohabiting and living with many other cultures for so long and we mostly get along. Racism perhaps will never die, but we need to step away from the culture of classifying people by color. Plus. african-american isn’t really an ethnicity…. either is white. you all want to label everyone. Just. Stop.

                    • medgirl

                      Remember, AMERICA is the most RACIST country in the world…what would you expect? It is a very sad fact. This whole RACE issue will be the DEMISE of AMERICA.

                    • keef

                      Totally agree. Whats colour got to do with anything here. Born in america = American. I never understood this whole “irish America”, “Italian American”, “Latin America”, “African american”, “Chinese american”, “whatever American” crap. And bi-racial – what in the name of science is bi-racial ffs. If a model is light skinned shes a light skinned model – if a model is dark skinned shes dark skinned. Certain models are needed depending on their skin tone, their hair type, their build, whatever. Its all dependent on the target audience of the modeling. That’s the fact. America will ALWAYS have problems as long as it insists on labeling people by the colour of their skin (which is all this is – in reality theres no African American becasue Africa isnt a country ffs its a continenet). If you want to have an adult conversation with someone about your roots – that’s one thing, but why the hell should people be labeled based on something that doesn’t have any meaning. what ever happened to just being proud of your ancestry without having to parade it round excessively with a special title for you and your select few. People like this are overcompensating for something. What about a light skinned 2nd generation Jamaican with Irish American ancestry? Are they gonna say I’m American Jamaican, or Irish american Jamaican, or Irish jamaican – I hope not. They are Jamaican – that’s that. Likewise a light skinned 2nd generation African isn’t gonna say their American African – they are African. This labeling makes people think they have an automatic right to some stereotype they like the sound of. An example being: I once heard someone say they didn’t understand why after all their alcohol consumption and constant partying their liver was damaged because (wait for it) they are Scottish American. In her mind the Scottish stereotype meant she could drink whiskey straight and not have a problem (the stereotype). This labeling is the SAME STUPID RETARD SH@T!! As if your self given label means anything – We are what we are NOW! And these people are American. Colour is irrelevant!”

                    • jillyneutron

                      Well, Galactic Idiot, you should take that up with all the scientists out there who can prove it to you. It’s in your DNA – you can’t deny it.

                    • smoochie

                      I am a Native American, dark skinned Creek Indian, My mother was a Creole, French and Indian, don’t tell me about coming from Africa, do your research. Yet I do not denounce people of color. We are great and powerful in our own ethnicity. And no white man or black man ideology is going to change that.

                    • Robert K. Blair

                      Do my research? Do you understand that life for humans began on another continent and eventually humans MIGRATED to the American continent. There were no humans that just sprang up here in the Americas. We are not talking about a few generations here, we are talking about the first humanoid that can be identified as our genetic predecessor. We are ALL offshoots of that original being, so YES, we are all from Africa, even if some are too ignorant of the facts to comprehend it. So rather than spouting about a few generations of descendants, do your own research into the beginnings of humans on this planet. Thousands of years ago, not a few hundred…

                    • Ann Viviano

                      Robert, I don’t think they have determined that we all descended from a single “being”. You may want to do some additional research before talking on things you are not an expert in. They are currently speculating that all of us can be traced back to one of 6 women, who may or may not have been in Africa. Of course, you may be taking the sexist view that only the man matters, but I have not heard that DNA research has concluded anything about a single man either.

                      The Neanderthals lived at the same time as the original Homo sapiens. They interbred with the European and Asian homo sapiens and all Asians and Europeans have approximately 2-4% neanderthal DNA. Peoples of pure African descent have NO neanderthal DNA.

                      Not that ANY of that matters. It is foolish to judge others based on their skin color. It means much less than their attitude. My personal “buckets” for people are haters (Bill O’Reilly, Osama Bin Laden, Michelle Bachman, and many people who comment on this site) and helpers (Ghandi, MLK, Mother Teresa, and many contributors to this site). Which one do you belong to?

                    • Anjelica Estrella

                      Helpers!

                    • Robert K. Blair

                      I never once said anything about a man, so put your hangups away for this conversation. I also was not the one who brought the Neanderthals into the discussion, as I have never bought into that. I was simply referring to the popularly discussed “Lucy” and will stick by that until definitive proof otherwise.

                      I am part Caucasian and part American Indian. The mother of my children is part Japanese, Polynesian, American Indian and Caucasian. Two of my grandchildren’s father is an African American, so I think its safe to say we have all the colors covered in my immediate family, in one way or another.

                      I think it is more likely that humans, as a variant, evolved from one. The idea of multiple variants evolving at the same or similar times seems to defy the odds, in my opinion.

                      Since we seem to dislike the same people, I think it’s safe to say we’d never get along, as everyone knows that men can never admit that they agree with women on any level… 😉

                    • #anthropology

                    • medgirl

                      You can add Lindsey Graham, John Boehner, Mitch McConnell,Ted Cruz, Sara Palin.

                    • Bob

                      The Europeans WERE the neanderthals and homo sapiens came from Africa d bred with them. Sub Saharan Africans do not have neanderthal DNA and are very much as intelligent as the Neanderthal infused Europeans.

                    • prosay

                      The one common factor is that we are all humanoids, that existed on the continent of AFRIKA, long before any other identifiable branches of humanoids such as Neanderthals, Cro-magnons, Homo sapiens, Homo erectus. DNA from many different humanoids were intermixed, even as specific branches of humanoids died out.
                      Unfortunately we are left with people whose only concern is, if their skin is white enough!

                    • Kerry Langston

                      Homosexuality was wrong for the Jews. It was wrong for gentiles who visited the Jews (“aliens”). It was even an abomination that defiled the land when practiced by pagans who inhabited Canaan long before the Jews came.

                      Homosexuality is a defiling sin, regardless who practices it. It has no place before God among any people, in any age, then or now

                    • Robert K. Blair

                      Guess you’re lucky they don’t still feed the Christians to lions…

                    • quick_moranis

                      Seeing as how there’s no way to prove God(s) exist and no proof as to which one(s) are real if any, there’s no reason for any society to obey its/their rules, which were clearly made up by men. We have to live in the now. Almost all societies also saw women as inferior, considered slavery of any kind to be completely just.

                      Basically people started off in very small numbers so it was very important to breed, so seeing how important breeding was people all of a sudden decided same sex activities was wrong because it wasn’t productive. And that way of thinking remained in most societies, though not all.

                      It’s like killing, most cultures considered killing wrong, but when it comes to war, the acquisition of land, goods, women ect it’s not that bad, and we find so many ways to justify it and all of a sudden a God that considers killing a sin condones the savage killing of others, because they don’t believe what you do , basically, they’re an other and possess what you crave.

                      These are all man made laws.

                    • Kerry Langston

                      We People evolved from what , genius ? Life just happened ?

                    • quick_moranis

                      When did I say I agreed with the theory of evolution?

                    • butteredtoast

                      Mr Blair you can’t educate certain people regardless of the facts their facts will always prevail.

                    • jayhf201

                      Actually, most scientists think “human” life as we think of it began in on the continent of Asia. Do you consider yourself of Asian descent now?

                    • LEGOates

                      Both Homo erectus AND H. sapiens originated in Africa (from whence to Asia). This being the case, scientists, at least an overwhelming majority of those trained in the areas pertinent (anthropologists, palaeontologists, biologists &cetera) believe no such thing i.e. that “”human” life as we think of it began in on the continent of Asia”.

                      Multi-regionalism AND all kindred hypotheses, conjectures and pipe dreams are in terminal decline, and have been for nearly two decades

                    • G Beefly

                      This whole conversation is indicative of the depth of mis-education of our people. We are who our Forefathers and Mothers were without contradiction.

                    • I share the same background.

                    • Gerri Ford

                      My grandpa found my grandma on a Choctaw reservation in Philadelphia, Ms. and we are black and no ideology will change that either.

                    • Mark

                      Smoochie, Dr. Leaky discovered austala-pithicus in central Africa, the oldest human fossil to date. You like the rest of us had his (her) beginnings in Africa. That goes for whites as well.

                    • prosay

                      You are clearly an unintelligent individual! Even worst, 22 other ignorant people agreed with you!
                      Robert K. Blair tried to educate you, but unfortunately, he is wasting his time!

                    • Christine

                      … Well, essentially at some point, you DO come from Africa. I mean, it’s not like Africans are asking you to identify with them (believe me we don’t care); it’s just that scientifically speaking that’s where human life originated.

                    • Angie Miller

                      If you research the writings of the priests that came here with the first conquistadors they describe the natives here as black people with soft hair, like the “Indians” at that time. That’s why they named the West Indies the West Indies. Whenever people start talking about how they are 4/5s Indian, 9/28s Japanese and 46/10s Polish, they are usually really just plain ole Black.

                    • Gerri Ford

                      Mr. Blair: A Jewish woman at my work place (in a fit of anger) told me to “Go back to Africa!.” The Jewish people were slaves in Egypt, and Egypt is in Africa. I had to educate her, but I was too nice to tell her to do the same.

                    • Angie Miller

                      The “Jewish” people were never slaves in Egypt. Most of them had not even converted to Talmudic Judaism until very recently.

                    • mimetou

                      yes

                    • Talya Price

                      Thank you probably the most intelligent comment on this thread.

                    • OutHerSpace….

                      Wrong…..wrong wrong….no we are NOT…

                  • Lee

                    The powers that be want us to destroy ourselves – so they don’t have to. By the time

                    • Gregory Hill

                      there is no Native American….there is no native anything except for Africans descended from the area where the first anthropod climbed down out of the trees and started to walk on two legs. Everyone else is from elsewhere……the people who have been in Asia the longest are blacker than a lot of Africans….every color is just a shade of black.

                  • twoperrin

                    This has thus far been the best response I’ve read so far regarding this article. They can call themselves what they want but the Caribbean, So. America, Central america and a few other places have people of African descent, most from escaped slaves. You might not be African-American but best believe you are black regardless of Language and custom. I’ve got friends who are damn near white that claim their heritage more so than some darker skinned blacks. And best believe if you get pulled over by the police Lighter shade or not, you still getting treated like “An African-American”.

                  • Jen

                    SAY IT SISTA! I am happy to have come across your post. Thank you!

                  • DRATON

                    I agree with what you are saying but these people in their own minds believe that they aren’t black if they can cling to any part of their ancestry that is not black or African.

                  • D Wheeler

                    WELL SAID!!!

                  • cvxxx

                    Status is important. Getting rid of the dysfunctional parts of the culture that were used to allow some to get political power at the expense of assimilation and earning the respect of the rest of society.
                    Asians were discriminated against until Japan & others became economic powerhouses. Then attitudes changed.

                  • Angie Miller

                    “Isn’t it strange how America groups all Hispanics yet separate those of African decent? Jamaicans, Haitians, Trinidadians etc; divide and conquer! So while we’re debating about who classify themselves as whatever ‘ethnicity’, they’re thinking of other ways to eradicate, poison and kill US! “- YESSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                • krenzny

                  No, its dumbass- ism. These fools can call themselves whatever they want , back home, on screen, wherever they came from. But here in America…. they BLACK.

                • Norman Ebanks

                  I apologize for the ignorance of my people!
                  While there are some “sensitivity” to skin color awareness, developed by the British colonialist, the dominant factor is economics.

                • Yoli Ramos Gonzalez

                  The same bull crap about light skin is better than dark skin goes on in Puerto Rico, Domincan Republic and Cuba. Don’t they realize we are mixed….we’re part Taino or Arawak indians, part Spaniard and part African.

                  • medgirl

                    As I said in a previous post……We all need to take History #101. According to history, the
                    reason the Caribbean islands, Latin America are full of different shades of Black/
                    Brown is because as history tell us and if can believe it….the
                    Africans slaves just off the slaves boats and found shelter in jungles,
                    mountains etc.

                • Lee

                  But you know – that is not new. My maternal grandmother was more partial to my lighter skinned cousins. I think it is a horrible leftover from slavery where the female slave and the master’s children were treated better – along with BS that white is better – this crap goes back centuries. Think about all the negative s**t like “black magic”, “black death” (the plague that damn near wiped out Europe). There was an entire narrative that anything white was good and anything black is bad. As sane humans we know this is ridiculous – but any way to keep us down is what is going to be done. One of the things that came out of slavery was the whites determination to divide and conquer – this color s**t was just one weapon used.

                • Jay

                  well I dont’t know what she told u but she was completely wrong. I am 100% Jamaican and that DOES NOT happen. If u apply to be a helper/ housekeeper then maybe they may treat them bad but who knows. Darker skinned persons dont work for lighter skinned persons. That person obviously has issues cuz i dont know who filled her head with that CRAP!!

                • ohsnaponu

                  A lot of black people think that because they share skin color, that they have a tie with other groups. Africans, West Indians are not the same as Black Americans and don’t really have the same mentality. And they don’t want to. Some of the comments made by these celebrities are right on point. And I can say that as a person with relatives who were from the islands.
                  I wish I could push a button and rid the world of ‘labels’ in one fell swoop; then these articles, etc would no longer be a subject for debate or conversation.

              • fddf

                are you retarted?!

                • ProofRead

                  So much irony in your post. *Retarded

                  • GhostDogNY

                    ROFL!

              • LX-23

                The definition of an ethnic group is “a social group that shares a common and distinctive culture, religion, language or the like. Ethnicity and race are two different things.

              • offbeatbop

                My cousin was born on a military base in Germany. He’s black. You don’t think there are any black people living in Germany or Scotland? You should travel more.

              • Forgotten Bias

                Actually they are an ethnic group. The European powers at the time though declared them not to be. They did the same to other people and tribes especially those not white to diminish and insult their cultural uniqueness and identity. IT would be like if the government deciding to classify you and your family by a name of “Coco” and refer to any of your descendants as cocanites. On top of this the government would then tell everyone else that is your class and what you should be known by unless stated otherwise.

              • Chris

                So how did African American become a race for black people? The simple fact that “Black” people need to be reminded that they were once in African and enslaved by America almost implies that we will never be more than slaves in this country.

                • Kerry Langston

                  READ the BIBLE !

                  • Chris

                    Do you have the untampered version? Like medicine unless it still has a safety seal, I’m not ingesting it. On another note, my comment is speaking to how we are classified. Everytime somebody says they’re not African American because of their heritage we want to get up in arms. Would you call a Jamaican African American? My nationality is technically West Indian which is wrong for a variety of reasons. Would you be mad if I say I’m not African American? Bigger fish to fry!

                    • Gregory Hill

                      if you were born in this country and live in this country, you are not carribbean, jamaican, cuban, or any other thin other than African-American…….simple isn’t it…..

                    • Chris

                      No, when I go to Africa they call me a black American. They ask me “what part of Africa are you from”… since it’s so simple, can you answer that question?

              • Skiamakhos

                That’s like saying there’s no difference between Masai & Xhosa, that they’re all Africans. Or Hutus & Tutsis. The difference between German & other European ethnicities (of which there are 8 main ones & a horde of sub-divisions) has been in the past enough to spark 2 world wars. We’re often reminded by Americans how we might be “speaking German now” but for their intervention. Most countries in Europe have formed under fairly organic conditions: ethnic groups defending what they see as “their” territory, whereas many African nations are arbitrarily drawn on the map by whites who had no understanding or interest in African ethnic or tribal differences, so you get ethnic groups straddling borders, collectively enough to be a nation, but due to colonialism a minority group in 2 or 3 countries. You might enjoy reading “Apes & Angels – The Irishman in Victorian Caricature” – you’d see the parallels in English portrayals of the Irish during the Potato Famine, of them as thuggish, ape-like creatures, with portrayals of African Americans in cartoon around the same time.

              • 23rdoc

                So all blacks are black? All Hispanics are the same? Asians are all asians? You are falling for a outdated white definition of black put out there when America was racist for real. A time when even one drop of black blood meant that you were tainted.

                • Gregory Hill

                  Hispanic is not a race…..thought everyone knew that by now…..

              • rachybaby

                No, they are ethnic groups….actually they are both.

                For example, Scotland is a nation but there are original, ethnic Scotsmen. Now, I’m sure there are black Scots, Chinese Scots, Pakistani Scots, German Scots, and English Scots, and they’d all be nationally Scottish, but only the original Scots are ethnically Scottish.

              • Jamesinkeys

                Yep, correct…Caucasian pure white…one drop and you are out…

              • cvxxx

                No they ARE NOT. Caucasian is misused. It refers to the people living in the Caucasus mountains of Europe. Up until the1960’s Italians,Irish,were not considered “White”. Culture is very different than skin color. The Scottish are a Celtic group. Racially different. Asian nationalities have similar color rankings due to the farm vs city tans as did most of the US as the low statues agricultural workers were”rednecks”. Before modern “country” music no redneck would want to be found across the tracks in the good part of town. The sheriff,or police would reinforce his status in case the person was confused.

                American society has for the most part melded. But it was not always that way.

              • Christine

                Did you just ask how is German or Scottish an ethnic group? To you, does ethnicity only apply to people of darker skin, not whites? If so, you’re mistaken. Did you know there are tribes in Ireland? Or did you also think “tribes” only exist in “Africa”? ALL peoples have ethnicities; however when you live in a society where one sociocultural group is overwhelmingly dominant (such as in Canada and the U.S. where it is whites of protestant origin (mostly British) who are predominant and occupy most of the higher places in society), then all the other remaining sociocultural groups (e.g. the Jews, blacks, Asians etc.) become “ethnic groups”. Did you know there was time in North America where groups of people considered “white” today (e.g. Italians, Irish, Jews), were not considered “white” before? This is just to let you know that ethnicity applies to all groups of peoples; and race is an ambiguous/fluid concept not fixed.

            • Antman

              If you black u black… why run away from it…
              Unless you see somthing wrong with being such…
              like halle’s ex obviously does

              • Hello

                But if they are part white, why cant thry be white. Let them be who they feel they are.

                • Gerri Ford

                  Not too long ago the blacks who were mixed wanted to start their own race but that soon lost traction. They are still black. When white people in Africa tried to separate people by skin color and we know what happened to that. Millions of blacks have white blood and vice versa. (“The Browning of America,)”

                • Lee

                  They can be who they FEEL they are but in this country and to racists around the world it’s about how you LOOK.

              • DMathew

                And if you’re white your white. Why run away from that too. Actually, why don’t we just all be people. Stop making us pick sides

                • Antman

                  You keep living n ur imaginery world… racism isnt going anywhere… as long as others dont have a fair chance.. there will always be tension…
                  – sidenote – being passive wont get you far… history says it all to well

                  • viktor

                    The effects of racism can be mitigated/remedied/amended to a point, but racial tension (and the brand of identity politics conveyed in this article) will always exist because the existence of race is just a fact of life. However much people try to ignore it, don’t want to talk about it, or the academics who tell us it’s nothing more than a social construct.

                    I can understand why that is the party line, but it’s basically all just politically-motivated idealism. If the whole of society — everyone of all ethnic backgrounds — truly believed the “race doesn’t exist” theory, race would not be the divisive factor in politics that it is. Celebrities and public figures are always telling us about the need for an honest conversation about race, but most of them do not really want a genuinely honest conversation. They want to lecture, talk down to certain segments of the population, and make accusations. They want a censored, “appropriate” conversation that reflects their own sensibilities and stays within the confines of PC orthodoxy… if they want any real conversation at all.

                    • LX-23

                      It is just a social construct. The boundaries are set as arbitrarily as a nations borders. You can get a blood transfusion from someone of different race with the same blood type but you can’t get a transfusion from someone with a different blood type even if you are the same race.

                    • viktor

                      Can’t agree, the blood transfusion thing is little more than a technicality. We are all humans of course, in the same way Golden Retrievers and German Shepards are both of the same species. They are both dogs/canines; and share like 99% of DNA with each other… yet they are still different breeds with different characteristics and genetic phenotypes. This, whether it be from artificial selection via dog breeders or via natural selection via years and years of genetic diversion between canine subspecies, or “dog races”.

                      Bottom line… a nation’s borders change as a result of wars and power politics on the part of a self-interested ruling class (diverse or not)… national lines change all the time. It just means everyone living within a certain border — not decided by the public — is forced to pay taxes to the same masters, and they all happen to have their papers/passport in common.

                      Ethnic and cultural backgrounds go much deeper than arbitrary political lines drawn by a small clique of powerful people in government and/or industry. “Blood” will always be thicker than water. And people know this… instinctively. This is why even though everyone says race does not exist; very few people ACT AS IF IT DOES NOT EXIST.

                      I know where you are coming from. I just don’t see the academic, theoretical part matching up with the reality of race. If that makes me racist, i suppose i am racist then. Whatever.

                    • Rusty Shackleferd

                      Smart man,tell these deniers exactly how it really is.They live in a fantasy world.

              • Norman Ebanks

                I guess he never looked under the sheets!

            • TT

              Zoe is confused on her l’oreal true match she admitted to being haitian….as someone with the same ancestry as her dominicans and haitians are the same dominicans just pretend they’re not black cause one they had to gain independence from Haiti because they felt the white man/slave masters treated them better than their own people and 2 the president in in the 30s/20s trujillo who was caramel but wore white make up on his face and straightened his hair had self hate issues and sought to kill every dark skin dominican…so not claiming to be black was a thing of survival that got passed down

            • medgirl

              We all need to take History #101, the last time I checked this Zoe Saldana is more African than any of us. According to history, the reason the Caribbean islands are full of different shades of Black/ Brown is because as history tell us and if can believe it….the Africans slaves just off the slaves boats and found shelter in jungles, mountains etc. As for American Blacks we need to get our DNA done and you will discover 90% is of mixed race. My sister did our family genealogy dating back to 1790 and we discovered that the paternal great-grandmother was born in 1823 and she was from Ireland. We also found out the the maternal great-grand mother was of American Indian decent born in 1850, she was a member of the Creek nation which consisted of Chehaw and Muskogee Tribes. I DARE someone to call me African American, I AM an AMERICAN…end of story.

              • Rusty Shackleferd

                That means nothing,if you look black you’re black,if you look Irish,you’re Irish.You’re just ashamed of being black,and want white acceptance.I’m brown and and proud to call myself African American.I will never mutt mix my genes,only black women will receive my seed.I’m a man,and temptation isn’t easy,but I make sure to take precautions to prevent accidental mutt mixed child births.If it looks like a pitbull,I’m calling it a pitbull.if it looks like a mutt breed,I’m labeling it one.If it’s a new breed and pleasing to the eyes,then I’ll accept this new breed,but humans can’t be bred into new breeds;our genes isn’t as varied as dog breeds.
                There are wolves,hyenas,wild dogs,coyotes,and domesticated dogs,humans don’t varied as much as animals in regards to genes.Cats are extremely close related to bob cats,lynx,cougars,panthers,jaguars,tigers and lions and their DNA is compatible.Humans are similar to apes,but very distinctive from ape appearance and our DNA is not compatible with apes,nor monkeys.

            • rachybaby

              I agree, this article blatantly (or ignorantly) ignored what many of these people were really trying to say.

              Change of subject: And there is no proof that Gabriel Aubrey has any objections to his daughter being called black. I think it’s an urban myth..

            • Dixie

              I totally agree with Gabriel Aubry’s reasons too. And with him as a dad who is white, I feel like he is more hyper aware of how society is viewing his daughter and he definitely doesn’t like it.

            • Stoneisblack is correct! That is the truth, as far as social science & genealogical science are concerned! I am white, by most western or USA, conventional standards! But I did not ever hear my folks call our ethnic heritage white! That is, even though my Matrilineage is Danish, Nordic- Scandinavian, North Germanic! My patrilineage is JudaeanHebrew, Jew for short! My dad’s patrilineal country of last residence, of his grand dad, was that northern alliance, cross-section of the Afghanistan mix of Tadjikstan, Turkistan, Uzbekstan & Kazakistan! I cannot even spell the stan names! But that is the nature of the minorities of Afghanistan’s marginal ethnic social worlds! There is no real Afghanistan! But if you read a great book called, “The French language & national identity”, by David C. Gordon, he shows even an ethnic group like the French, are not as scientifically static, as we may imagine! French, is from a Latin dialect, conquering Celtic Gaul! Numerous ethnic nationalities in France, are not any more happy being forced to Frenchify, their identities, than Irish like forced Anglicizing of Irish! Meanwhile French local dialects of French, are often as mutually distinct as New York, USA English is from deep south USA English! Think of Bob Marley’s Rasta English & then Compare Caribbean or rural country French to Paris French! But French is the language of North African liberty,fraternity & equality, amongst Mediterranean North Africans & Mid East, first nations, conquered by Arabist empire colonial settlers! Then MauritanianArabic is as mutually unintelligible to PalestineArabic as German is mutually unintelligible to English, or French is to Spanish! That is, even though both English & German are equally Germanic! The standard Arabic, called media Arabic, is the common lingua franca of Koran scholarship! That is Islamic Arabic & as it is so, it is also media Arabic! That Koranic scholarly Arabic, doubles as media Arabic! Media Arabic, is the only common Arabic of the Arab empire colonies! The Arabist empire colonies, are to Arabic, like the Anglo-American & British Commonwealth of Nations to English! Arabist empire colonies, are now independent countries, called nation states, both Arab states, as well as Islamic non Arab states! So, am I, an Afro-Asiatic & Indo-European mix? After all ,my mom’s genealogical lineage is 10 % from the Caucasus Mt.! Kurdistan,is a subcultural branch of Indo Aryan(Iranian), cross roads! Kurds are in the south Caucasus Mountains! The Caucasus mountains, are the environs, connecting, Europe to S.W. Asian, Mediterranean, Asia Minor(Turkey),mid east environs! In fact all Europeans are genetically rooted in Africa, also! So is my dad’s patrilineage, JudaeanHebrew(Jew)JudaeanAramaic.-AssyrianAramaic AramaeanSyriac-Babylonian Chaldean? Or is his Jew ancestry, just another Khanate-stan!? Then there is that delicate controversial subject of the Nazis’ defined, Jewish question of JudaeoGerman Yiddish! Yiddish is Judaeao German language! Ethnically JudaeoGerman-Yiddish, are a mix of mostly Judaean Hebrew patrilineage with German matrilineage & German language roots!! That ,so far is my dad’s dominant matrilineage! Then, both his oral traditions & logic dictates, cross mixing of all kinds of mutually taboo ethnic mixes! One taboo mix is any body, mixing with outsiders, including Gypsy-Romany, ethno-linguistic, Indo-Aryan-Iranians! The Gypsy-Romany, are rooted in exiles of IndoAryan-Iranian branches, from outside of the normal IndoAryan,Iranian homelands! The Gypsy ethnic folks are the Ethno linguistic Romany! The Romany, crossed paths with wandering Jews! Both were exiles & hated minorities, everyplace they went! Gypsy-Romany language & ethnic social culture is called Romany! The Romany traveling folks, are talked of as crossing paths with our Jew folks! So,it is quite possible, as well as the taboo mixing of JudaeoHebrew with Germans, there could be Judaeo – Romani, in my mix! Then, there is the world of OCCIDENTAL, WEST ASIA Minor, Anatolia, modern Turkey! This is the old Greek & Assyrian Babylonian & Armenian peoples,like Kardashians’ home country! This Asia Minor, West Asia , crossed over the Caucasus Mountain environs! The Boston Marathon Bomber brothers, were Caucasians, by the strictest definition of Caucasus Ethnic environs! This Caucasus Mountain environs of the Kardashians & the Boston Bomber brothers, was invaded by Seljuk Turks, the Arabist empire’s Baghdad, Royal house guards! The Seljuk Turks, passed on to the Ottoman Turks, the Arabist empire conservatorship! Turks are not Semites! Turks language is closer to Mongolian than Arabic! Hungarian, Finnish, Estonian & Laplander ethno-linguistic roots, are more akin to Turkic, than Arabic is to Turkic! So, now, all that old Greek & Aramaic Assyrian-AramaeanSyriac, is the lead-up to the Iraqi & Syrian Christians, + the Lebanese Christians! Aramaic speaking ethnic nations, speak the lingua franca of the Assyrian-Babylonian Empires, Persian Empires & Punic- Phoenician- Lebanese Empires! Persia’s Imperial language was Aramaic Semitic, even though Persia is IndoAryan-Iran! The JudaeanHebrew candidate for King of the Jews, Jesus of Nazareth, spoke Aramaic! Jesus of Nazareth, used Aramaic, like all else, in this Mediterranean Asian & African environs! Jesus of Nazareth, used Aramaic, when he was not reading or reciting his JudaeanHebrew Old Testament, the Jewish Hebrew scriptures! But all Jews spoke the language of their Aramaean brothers’, the Aramaic language! Aramaic was the home language to the Jewish Babylonian Talmud academies! So Jesus spoke both Hebrew & Aramaic, the two N. W. Central Semitic branches of Afro- Asiatic! Afro- Asiatic was formerly called Hamito -Semitic! This Afro-Asiatic family, includes Somali, Ethiopic Semitic, Arabic Semitic, EgyptiCoptic, Berber, North African languages! Last but not least, is the largest massive body, in sheer numbers of West Africans, the Hausa, Chadic language! This Nigerian Hausa,Chadic branch of the common Afro Asiatic, is akin, to the ancestor of Semtic! So am I Judaeo-Nigerian, mixed with Caucasian exiles from The Nile River, Garden of Eden, the first environs of our whole human race? This all, is not to be confused with the Nile-Saharan, Nubian & Darfur Muslim non Arab, non Semites! These Nile-Saharans include South Sudan’s Dinkas & Nuers, the two cousins of Nubians & Darfur ethno-linguistic Nile-Saharans! Then there are the Swahili, Bantus, Niger-Congo, Kordofans! These are in their totality, mutually unintelligible with Nubian & Darfur, Nile Saharans & South Sudan Dinkas & Nuers! Swahili, Bantu, Niger-Congo-Kordofan, includes the SudanArab Republic natives’ Kordofan language! Kordofan is 100% NON ARABIC! Kordofan speakers & Nubas languages,are 100% mutually unintelligible, also! Nubas & Kordofanis, live in close inter-twining, tapestries of Nile River, Southern Sudan & Northern Sudan cross-sections! The Nubas are kin to Nubian, Nile-Saharan ethno-linguistics! But their Kordofan neighbors” language, is more akin to Yoruba, Nigerian than Nuba, Nile Saharan! So My JudaeanHebrew ethno-linguistic roots, are MORE AKIN TO northern Hausa NIGERIA, THAN SOUTHERN NIGERIA, IS TO THAT SAME HAUSA, Northern NIGERIA! So, we are all from Africa! That was, many thousands of years ago! That was before these ethno-linguistic branches of one, single whole human race, became comparatively unintelligible! So then. can we really even use the term race, for anything else, but our whole, single human race, in our one totality, as one social & ethno-biological & genealogical union!?

            • prosay

              Thanks for identifying me!
              I didn’t know that as a Jamaican, I was an “Afro-islander/Carribean.”
              When I marched in the sixties for voting rights, it was clear to me, that when the police said “Move niqqer” he was referring to all the demonstrators, without distinction!

            • Angie Miller

              Why do people insist on living in an alternate reality when it comes to race. Of course, there are races of people. Sometimes you can be politically correct to the point of just damn lying. If somebody came looking for your co-worker while she wasn’t there and you didn’t know their name when she came back to tell her who it was and she asked you to describe them – you wouldn’t sit there acting dumb, on that there’s no race mess. You’d say, “It was a young white woman with long curly hair,” or “It was a short man, I think he’s Asian.” or “It was an older Black man with gray hair.”

              To me people are so ashamed to be BLACK that they rather pretend there’s no race or race is a social construct. Funny how all of those “there’s no race” people are always killing themselves, making fools out of themselves trying to chase after white people.

          • Guest

            Her sister.

          • TT

            Kiada was with Tupac

        • Matthew Robinson

          I’ve seen her in so many things over the years, and that woman, Rashida Jones has mannerisms of a white woman. She knows her dad is Black, but she is sooooooooooooo far away from the Black part of her culture. If she wants to live that way that is her, she aint my girl and I don’t know her. All I know is I’m Black and proud of my race and my nappy hair.

          • annabella

            to be quite honest i dont blame her. a lot of black people have a chip on their shoulder and think about their colour all the time. it holds them back. they live their life in doom and gloom

            • Ebony

              I don’t need to remind myself that I’m black. I’m reminded everyday lol.

              • wahine kapu

                r u sure? do u really look in the mirror and think “there’s a black woman?”…so much fear to let go of in one lifetime…I’m bi racial, and when i look in the mirror, i just see me…

                • Ebony

                  Of course I’m sure, if I wasn’t I wouldn’t say so. I know who I am. All I said was there are things to remind me.

                  • Tamara Hurt

                    People who have lived ‘this’ life cannot possibly relate to what it is to be a black woman because they aren’t!! When people say they see people and not ‘color’ they’re not living in the same reality we live in!

                • Clare

                  I agree with you. I really don’t look at people and see the colour of their skin first, though would it be a massive issue if I did? It wouldn’t be rude to notice someone’s hair colour. We need to move away from it. Most races now are a mixture of many others and aren’t pure.

                  • Guest

                    But trashy white people, NOT ALL but SOME treat you horrible according to HOW YOU LOOK!! THAT IS WHERE ALL THIS COLORISM DERIVES FROM DURING SLAVERY WHEN THE WHITE PEOPLE ALLOWED THE MULATTO SLAVES DO EASIER CHORES IN THE HOUSE WHILE EVERYONE ELSE WERE IN THE FIELDS, CHOPPING COTTON WHILE ALMOST BEING SCORCHED BY THE SUN.

                    • Carolyn Smith

                      I dont know why its that way. But it isnt just trashy white people. I heard co- workers talking in the break room one day and they were talking about how in their home countries lighter skin is preferred over darker. These were not European countries either. They were countries where everyone is darker than Europe or The USA.

                    • viktor

                      India’s caste system has long been intrinsically tied to the shade of skin. The aristocrats did not have to do the hard labor and thus did not need as many melanocytes [relative to the peasants/lower classes] as the Indian people as a whole evolved over many years’ time. Then the racist prejudice based on ancestry simply reinforces itself from there on.

                  • Carolyn Smith

                    I so agree, We dont discrimminate for hair color or eye color. Why should skin color be a touchy issue in this time in history?

                    • Terl

                      Of course we discriminate on hair color. We discriminate on everything. For some retarded reason, skin color has a much greater amount of politically incorrectness than hair color. Why is it more ok to say “blondes are stupid” than it is to say “blacks are stupid”?

                • Guest

                  BIRACIAL PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS CONFUSED THINKING THE WORLD IS GRAND UNTIL SOME RACIST WHITE PERSON TREATS YOU LIKE CRAP BECAUSE YOU HAVE BLACK FEATURES. IT WAS HATEFUL WHITE PEOPLE WHO STARTED WHITE SUPREMACY, WHITE PRIVILEGE AND RACISM, SO YOU CAN THANK YOUR WHITE CRAZY RELATIVES FOR THAT.

                  • o_i760rq1m9

                    I must disagree with you. We (Bi-Racial people) are not always confused while thinking the world is grand until something that a White person does to us negatively. My experiences growing up involved Blacks constantly bullying me, while Whites simply ignored me. When I had gotten older, Whites were more accepting of me as a person, while Blacks were still unaccepting of me. I don’t choose one race over the over simply because I am of both. There is no dominant gene as we are 50% of our mothers and 50% of our fathers. And I would never even consider trying to place one over the other. Yes, whites did initiate the, ‘one drop rule’ but that was abolished many years ago (although some of the old-timers still try and hold on to it). I believe that we ALL may have some, “crazy relatives.”

                    • Carolyn Smith

                      I applaud you and am so sorry for the mistreatment you endured from either race. I agree, a person born of two races is a mixture of each race. I actually had a black co-worker argue with me about the one drop rule. She agreed with it , I dont.

                    • o_i760rq1m9

                      Overall I find it so ridiculous. All of this about color. Who cares? I’m no better because I’m lighter, whites aren’t better and neither are blacks. The bottom line is that we are Human. I just can’t understand why all of the prejudice. What will this accomplish? I actually had a black female tell me that she didn’t want to talk to me because she thought that I probably thought that I was better. WHAT?!!!! I asked her. …. To this day, she is one of my BEST friends.

                    • Natashafx

                      Lots of people have low self-esteem and because of it they assume a lot of things about people usually based on skin color that simply isn’t true. Glad your friend saw that her prejudgments were incorrect. When we know better as a people we will do better. Unfortunately, some are comfortable in the old ways and do not want to even try to change. I feel people try to impose the 1-drop rule on others because they don’t want a biracial person to think they are better than the non-biracial person…but what they don’t realize is that just about every black american is multi-racial. There are no 100% black people unless your parents came directly from Africa. All black americans are mixed somewhere down the line so this whole colorism thing is ridiculous. There’s probably a less than .01% chance that American blacks are 100% pure African. And the Africans from Africa don’t even claim us as African because we are so far removed and so different from them. I guess that’s why some African Americans don’t like to be called African American because they are a conglomeration of a multitude of nations not just African. But many people don’t know who their ancestors were. Of course they know some were African because of the features they have but during slavery there were much mixing going on. My DNA is not only African but also Irish, French, Scandinavian, Chinese and Middle Eastern. No native american though which is what my grandparents used to say to justify the long hair and fair skin throughout our family. Wrong! It is due to all those other races in our blood.
                      We are the melting pot this country was built upon.

                    • robin ess

                      Let me jump on this too and agree with you that some blacks are quicker to outcast bi-racial people. So it might be true that whites started the ‘colour scale’, but some blacks have upheld more brutally. If you’re too light, you’re hated, if you’re too dark, you’re hated by your own black people. How do they expect the other races to ‘love’ them with all that internal hate and jealousy?

                    • o_i760rq1m9

                      It could be how some are taught. Some white parents teach their kids to “stay clear of blacks” (being mixed doesn’t matter), while “some” blacks treat light-skinned kids bad because of their color. Some light-skinned kids don’t associate with black kids for the fear of being bullied. Everyone hating everyone else. I’ve always tried to figure out why. I just try to find the best qualities in everyone (even if they do piss me off sometimes).

                    • Antman

                      It goes back to slavery… like someone said above….
                      But if u notice… light skin girls really think their cuteir…. same with dudes… If u cnt see what slavery has done… i feel bad for u

                    • Antman

                      Have you ever considered… you were just an easy target… forget the color for a min…
                      Maybe ppl just didnt like you…

                    • o_i760rq1m9

                      Thanks for your question, “My experiences growing up involved Blacks constantly bullying me..” If they simply didn’t like me, then I wouldn’t have cared. It was what they did and the awful things they said due to my color. (In fact, they were the very same way to all of those of my color). Therefor we cannot forget the color as that was the reason for the bullying. Trust me they made that quite clear and some even told me straight out. Whites, on the other hand, simply ignored me (while I was a kid). As I had gotten older, we became very close friends. And some of us are still good friends.

                    • Antman

                      what year was this..??

                    • o_i760rq1m9

                      This involved many years. Others who experienced this were my Grandmother, Great Aunts, Aunts, Cousins, Neices and Nephews. So the year is unimportant as it existed quite awhile ago, as well as now. As a result, I’ve learned (from my experience) that although the times may change – people don’t (for the most part).

                    • Antman

                      I have empathy for ur situation tho i cant relate…
                      I’ve never encountered someone of mixed race that was bullied by blacks…. the same blacks who share their blood…
                      Actually i cant even picture black kids picking on someone specifically b/c they are mixed… I* can see kids picking on someone… then making mean statements b/c they r kids… but a black kid punching a mixed kid… solely b/c he’s half white…??

                      I can somewhat understand back n the day… b/c of slavery lighter skin was seen as better then darker
                      (which brought upon tension n our own communities)… but around the time of segregation… u would still be n outcast right along with the people darker then u… still drinkin out the same fountains…

                      Im sorry but i just dnt believe u… either way u be safe bruh…

                    • o_i760rq1m9

                      Because you’ve never encountered something like this doesn’t justify it not happening. You’re talking to a victim here, so whether or not you believe it, is really unimportant to me. The type of mentality that you are displaying is that of a skeptic who, after being told someone was raped by their pastor, you would reply, “I don’t believe you. The pastor wouldn’t do such a thing.” Overall, it is what it is and I’m not losing any sleep over it. I’m simply expressing myself. In summary, I’m quite proud of who I am, how I look and how much I’ve accomplished in spite of how I was treated. Not sure where you are from, but wake up (or be honest). It’s quite apparent that you don’t look like me, otherwise you’d definitely would be able to relate. Not to be rude, but I do not need your empathy. This is obviously something that you cannot relate with (or you don’t want to confess to it). Either way, this conversation has become exhausted and it’s meant for those who can truly relate, as oppose to a ‘naysayer’ with nothing better to do.

                    • Paul

                      I am Caucasian, and I have two nieces and one nephew who are bi-racial. My nieces look Hispanic, but my nephew looked more black than white. My sister-in-law, also white, did her best to raise her children to appreciate and be proud of who they were. But, all of my nieces and nephew said that their white friends were more accepting of them than their black friends, because they were lighter skinned. I don’t really get that. I’ll bet when we get to heaven, God won’t care.

                    • natashafx

                      It’s still going on today with the kid’s bullying biracial kids. It happened when I was in school and it happened to my daughters when they were in grade school. Girls wanted to fight my daughter because of the hair growing out of her scalp! And when brought to the attention of the “mother” well I saw where she got that animosity from. Kids are awful these days but I think it is due to poor home training or lack thereof.

                    • ralph richardson

                      One thing that has to be mentioned in this is mixed kids themselves. I have a step daughter who is half white and likes to grow her hair long. any times in the past, she would mention how long her hair was and in certain ways acted as if she were better than the non mixed black kids. She would carry herself in a way that really put off some of the other kids. When she started coming home and complaining of people saying she was stuck up, I mentioned to her how she was acting around the other black kids. I also introduced her to black history and how blacks (mixed people included) have been made to play against each other in this society. Now, she has many black friends and hasn’t had any other problems. I myself am of mixed heritage (you wouldn’t think it if you saw me), but my problem growing up was my speech. Moving from California, many people thought I sounded white. Blacks have to stop saying nonsense such as fair skin, good hair, etc. The correct word should be strait hair, after all, regular black hair is taken care of is good hair as well. Kids see good=strait as desirable because of adults. NoTime4Bimbos may of had problems, but I also wonder if she didn’t also bring some of them on herself. Personally, she looks like the majority of black girls in my family, so its hard for me to see how anyone could have treated her bad on skin color alone. Did she think she was better and carried herself as if she was better than the other black kids? I’m not saying she did, but I think its valid to wonder about it.

                    • NoTime4Bimbos

                      ralph Richardson it appears that you did not read all of my comments or maybe you just didn’t clearly understand them. For example: “I actually had a black female tell me that she didn’t want to talk to me because she thought that I (probably thought) that I was better. WHAT?!!!! I asked her. …. To this day, she is one of my BEST friends.” The key words here are “probably thought.” No one suggested that I carried myself in this manner. I was simply pre-judged based upon the color of my skin. So uh, no I didn’t carry myself as being “better.” I wasn’t taught that way, nor did I ever live that way….. In regards to your comment about me looking like the majority of the black girls in your family – how on earth do you know what I look like? I truly don’t believe that we have ever met. BTW the picture that you saw with my comments was a picture of a Civil Rights Activist known as, Angela Davis (you can Google her). Had you read all of my comments you would have seen that as well. Therefore, to wonder about me thinking that I was better has no validity.

                    • cMathews

                      Like 0_i760rq1m9, I’ve had more of an issue about my bi racial-ness from the black community than the white. It was black relatives that told me I wasn’t good enough because I wasn’t black enough. It was black people who excluded me because I wasn’t black enough for them. I had no problem with white people accepting me. The Caucasian side of my family had no issue with my color.

                    • K

                      My family is mixed and we all look different ways. Some white and some black and we never thought anything of it. We just thought it was normal (don’t live in the US but a caribbean country). When my son was born, he had soft curly hair (just slightly curly). His dad is also mixed (mostly hispanic and african descent and almost all of his family is darker). His mother who is much darker actually told me (and I can never get over this), that my baby’s hair wasn’t good because it couldn’t stay in corn-rows and would slip out. :O I totally believe people who say they get more racism from darker blacks. And if you don’t want to play with them as children they say it’s cause you think you’re better cause you’re lighter (even without any reason to believe this).

                    • Rusty Shackleferd

                      Good for you,you have no true identity.I rather have an established race that has their own unique breed,than a breed of mutts.

                    • Anjelica Estrella

                      Thank you for posting this.

                  • Quokka

                    You’re part of the problem if you think it’s just white people that are racist.

                  • viktor

                    They can also thank their white crazy relatives for the society we happen to enjoy the benefits and luxuries from today. You are also being hateful, whether you feel justified in your hate or not….

                  • Tess

                    Are you Biracial, Guest? Do you know any Biracial people personally? You seem to think you know about Biracial peoples thoughts and think that they may be “confused”. I can assure you – not all of them are confused.

              • Hypnotized Minds

                By the fact your name’s Ebony on you’re on a site aimed at a black only audience?

                • Freword

                  Not at all

                • Ebony

                  If you didn’t understand the point of my comment then I don’t know what tell you

              • I’m half puerto rican and scottish. I can go into a clothing store and get followed by the white workers there.

                But at same time I can go into a korean store and get followed.

                I was at the corner store and The mexicans dudes asked me if I was a cop? LOL So I just do what I do and not sweat it.

                • Craig D. Casimir

                  is that Shin in your pic?

                • Carolyn Smith

                  Good for you.

              • Doofus

                Yeah, my white parents named me Ivory.

              • Norman Ebanks

                Sister, when I’m walking around New York, I feel like I have a 2X4 on my shoulder. I don’t need to remind myself that I’m Black. lol

            • shay

              no-you’re just ignorant & most likely racist, like many white people who share you sentiments(you my not be white but..)

              • Hypnotized Minds

                Your comment proves that you’re the racist and you see the world in black and white.

                • Freword

                  Still no

                  • sancrough

                    What cracks me up in the US is that a white person born in Africa with parents and grandparents born there and they come to the US and gets naturalized, the are NOT African-Americans. We ALL came out of Africa folks.

                    • Harmony

                      That ish is funny….maybe we should all call ourselves tonal…

                    • Rusty Shackleferd

                      There is no proof of that,only theories.No matter where you’re from,you are what you are.

                • Charly

                  Outrageous comment perpetuaing racism. There’ll never be harmony with idiots like you around.

            • Lace

              Annabella a lot of black people don’t have chips on their shoulders. What you may not know is that blacks go through so much bull everyday so if they did feel a certain type of way it’s warranted.

            • Lace

              And also lets be honest….You say we think about our color all the time, right? My question to you is What are the first things you notice when looking at a person? If the color of their skin was one of your answers, you have learned something. When you look in your mirror everyday don’t you notice the color of your skin? You notice imperfections and blemishes, no? The more you know…

              • criticall

                You are a sad and shallow person if the first thing you notice about a person is their color. That is Wikipedia definition of racism.

                • Ema31

                  Of course, the first thing you notice is color. The very first thing you notice about someone when you see them is their physical appearance: color, height, Male/female, subjectively attractive etc.. That is not the definition of racism. Racism is seeing those differences, developing prejudices based upon ethnic and/or racial differences then acting out or repressing them based on those prejudices.

                  • Carolyn Smith

                    Well said.

                  • billy112140

                    Thank you for such a simple truth and fact Ema31. Many of the comments in here are going in so many directions but the right one.

                • Carolyn Smith

                  I dont think that is totally true. Our skin is the largest part of us. How can someone not notice what color it is? Noticing is one thing, making note of it is something else again. That, then, is racism.

                • Antman

                  To be racist u need power…. dnt be a sheep

                  • viktor

                    No you don’t.

                    • Rusty Shackleferd

                      It’s a yes and no answer.To execute racist laws and racist standards of living you need power,which non blacks have.Racist alone means little,because you don’t have the money and power to carryout your racist agendas.

            • mimi

              I agree!!! Sometimes you just have to let the past go and live! It’s funny in Europe I am American and in America I am friggin color.

              • Carolyn Smith

                Good point!

              • Rusty Shackleferd

                You’re a happy mutt,house slave.You feel accepted by your masters.

            • Antman

              Are u speaking from personal experience… or are you assuming from what u hear…
              I’ve never met a black person with a chip for being black… I’ve met blacks who have chip b/c they skin color is prejudge more then any other on earth… but they wouldnt change a thing…

              So please… where did u get this from…??

            • you white huh?

            • ALew

              We don’t live in doom and gloom. we are happy… until other races commit hate crimes or simple daily acts of blatant ignorant racism that remind us we’re not seen as the normal human beings that we see in the mirror ever day, but as something else. We are constantly reminded of our color, despite the fact that it’s merely a part of ourselves and that we wouldn’t think of it otherwise if we didn’t have a group of fellow human beings who have constantly throughout history declared themselves “superior” and made sure to subjugate people so that they could continue to feel that way. Don’t say it’s untrue if you haven’t experienced it, because if you haven’t then you don’t even have the experience to give an educated answer on the topic.

            • Rusty Shackleferd

              Go back to Spain you mutt

            • Knowthyself73

              annabella, did it ever cross your mind that black people wouldn’t have to think about our color if we weren’t constantly being reminded of it by mainstream society? I rarely think about race until some white (or other non-black) person walks in the room and says something ignorant about black people. I wasn’t thinking about race while watching the Oscars, but then Giuliana Rancic opened her mouth…

          • Rorschach{◣⊻◢}

            if you read her interviews she always accepts being black. she told a story about how she joined the black student union at harvard and left the group when the other girls started getting angry that she was dating the black guys in the student group and came at her. and she also talks about how her sister would tell everyone that Aaliyah (kidada’s best friend growing up) was her sister and deny that rashida was related to her. She also got into it with Tupac, cussed him out in an article she wrote and in person for basically calling her father a house negro, he apologized and they talked and thats how he met her older sister Kidada. it was a great interview, between the sisters and their mother, forgot what magazine. But she never denies being black.

            • mary

              That’s sad. She is beautiful and should not have to deal with evil witches coming at her for that, especially in a place of higher learning. Very sad. Women should raise their daughters better than that, to love themselves just the way God made them, that everyone has something special about them and to not be jealous. That’s what I teach my daughter and she is very young. You have to start very young with the teaching of values and morals.

          • Clare

            It’s ok to celebrate her white side too though yes? I’m not okay with anyone dissing any part of their heritage but it’s not ok to diss the white side either.

            • Rorschach{◣⊻◢}

              I believe she’s a practicing jew – not sure. but yes, don’t see why it wouldn’t be ok.

            • mary

              My daughter’s Irish ancestors came here in 1890 and started a shoe making store in Virginia. Her grandfather was an engineer (on her black side), and other accomplishments. She knows her genetics are like a rainbow filled with accomplishments (I don’t mention the bad stuff, she’s only 5), but I also highlight accomplishments of black Americans in our country, since there are many negative images of our race out there. If we all do a little research on our bloodline, you might discover something new. My brother looked like a full blood German man with a great tan (he was 1/2 white). In my research I discovered a line of our family who immigrated here from Germany in the 1900s.

          • robin ess

            What is the Black part though? I never got the separation of being mixed. Should she be in more ‘black’ movies, date some black men, not straighten her hair? What?

          • Elsavita Williams

            Matthew…..You black American men today are so hypocritical. Look around and what do you see …black American men chasing after white girls or if you can’t get one of them you settle for light skin. I live in Canada and it is no different. The black men do the same thing. Quite often they leave their black wife/kids for one of them without a backward glance. Also when the (black man) is with his white chick he looks down on black women as if they are nothing.

          • Paul

            What exactly does “mannerisms of a white woman” mean? The way you write it sounds insulting, or is that what you intended?

            • Matthew Robinson

              So let me explain. Rashida Jones on so many shows I’ve seen of her and on interviews comes off as a woman who you would never have guessed had some Black in her DNA. I could go on and on about white women mannerisms because I’ve lived around them, went to school with them, worked with them, etc. but I aint got that kind of time.
              She doesn’t strike me as a woman who would carry out or wear the Black part of her DNA on her sleeve, unless it was convenient or she needed to fit in with Blacks for a role she was trying to get for a movie or TV show.

              • Tom_F

                Why? Because she speaks proper English? Doesn’t talk loud in movie theaters? Doesn’t run the server around the restaurant and leave a 10% tip? Doesn’t show up late (never early, why is that?)? Doesn’t constantly rub lotion on herself to keep from getting ‘chalky’? Doesn’t describe her city of residence as the place where she “stays”? Doesn’t have a bunch of illegitimate children by different babydaddys?
                Negro, please. Rashida has a fine-ass mother, Peggy Lipton, that Q was fortunate to bang until his Negro tendencies overcame him and he messed up a good thing. Rashida is the one fine thing to come from that. Enjoy the flava, don’t be hatin’!

          • Chris

            I have an issue with what is called “black mannerisms”. With the people I have this argument being “black” comes off as being unintelligent, sounding that way, and being loud and ignorant. I’m black, and that’s not me. Our heritage holds scholars who more than likely spoke in an eloquent manner, hiw can we only claim ignorance as the staples of what being black is about. Miss me with this argument.

        • Nancy Smith

          Why not?

    • PolkaDots

      “…not celebrating it makes it bad?” —> That’s it right there.

      • yoda

        how so? i mean as long as you know what you are, are you supposed to shout from the rooftops that you’re black and you’re proud? it’s not cool to deny it but i guess in some people’s mind not talking about it is a denial?

        • PolkaDots

          Because the MASSES think that, AGAIN, you should wear a label that you must REPRESENT something.

          • Eriq-Christian Deshaun Beard

            but can’t you represent who you are without labeling yourself as one set person? people are more complex than that

            • PolkaDots

              “but can’t you represent who you are without labeling yourself as one set person?” — That’s the question of the day and will be for ages…I’m presently in correspondence with a girl on this site who CONSTANTLY references to the refusal to be LABELED as “denouncing” who you are.

              • Carolyn Smith

                We should each and everyone be ourselves, a person, part of the human race in Gods creation. Labels can be desrtuctive and are not needed. Labels do not define who we are. We define who we are with our character, personalilty, thoughts, and actions.

                • PolkaDots

                  Very true but unfortunately everyone wants to wave there on flag so the saga continues.

                • Antman

                  Do u not label things… is language not labels…

                  Door – labeled such
                  Girl – labeled such
                  Car.truck – labeled such
                  people kill me wit that ish

            • PolkaDots

              “people are more complex than that” –> totally agree.

              • Antman

                says the racist

                • PolkaDots

                  “says the racist” —> Whether YOU are racist or not it makes no difference to me..My job is to eradicate STUPIDITY…There’s no cure for that..Remember that dumb@ss.

                • PolkaDots

                  Now s^ck a d!ck.

        • PolkaDots

          “in some people’s mind not talking about it is a denial?” —> yuppers.

    • JustMyThoughtsToday

      I have a problem with the term African-American. I know white people straight from Africa that are now American citizens. I consider them to be African American. My family’s ancestors came from Africa like 15 generations ago. So I consider myself just American. You don’t here white people say I’m British American, Irish American, etc… Hell it’s not on any form you fill out. Only African American. The Majority of Americans that has lived in america for generations is not pure anything.

      • yoda

        I just choose to call myself Black. It’s no more complicated than that for me.

      • Nowima Biggsixx

        You can call yourself “just American” if you want but if you are a visible minority then other will add the African or Black for you. Usually when people say American, they mean white. I have traveled all over the world and when people think American, their visual is a white person. With regard to African American term, Africa is a continent, and most African people I know do NOT identify as an African American, they either identify by their country, i.e., Ethiopian American, or their tribe, i.e., Yoruba. Some white people certainly DO identify with an ethnicity. You never heard of an Italian American or Irish American? American is a nationality, how would you propose that we identify ourselves as an ethnic group?

        • JustMyThoughtsToday

          They don’t have Euro-American, Irish-Americans, Jewish, Irish or Italian-Americans on any form you fill out. Those terms are not as common as separating out African Americans or Spanish. Nor do they use those terms on an everyday basis. In reality mostly all Americans are mixed with a few different backgrounds, no matter the color of their skin. So those terms are fading. I do not believe the term American belongs only to the white people. We have been here enough generations to be just American like all the other nationalities that are here as just Americans.

          • Meka B

            I agree with you 100%! And I hate that people associated the “all American person” as white with blue eyes and blonde hair. When in all honesty they should visualize a tan person with jet black hair – that’s a true all American.

            • arecibo

              nooooo, an American is born in America. African-American came about because black people all of a sudden had a problem with being called black which is just a translation from Spanish word ‘negro’ which is what they were referred to when the Spaniards transported the captives of African tribes back here to Africa. the just called it as they saw it, by the color of the skin Negro -translate- black

              • Meka B

                huh? I was referring to Native Americans as a true all American, what are you talking about?

                • Lisa

                  @ Meka B, Arecibo is talking about history…It could be both of you lost in translation

            • saytoomuch

              only in the 1960s and prior, blacks were 2nd class citizens in the usa. wut makes u think that all of a sudden, anything black represents the usa?? u r just a person of african descent livin in the usa that wuz brought here to work. the country wuz not meant to benefit you in the long run. so y would u want to identify alone as sumthin that doesn’t fully represent u as “american”. u r african-american.

              • Meka B

                I was referring to Native Americans – tan skin, jet black hair, ummm…. hello.

                • saytoomuch

                  that still doesn’t make sense. y would the natives want 2 identify with a label made by their oppressors after they stole their land n killed off almost all of their people? the tan skin n jet black hair represented this land back in the days of the “new world”. but 4 now, the all american is indeed blue eyes and blonde hair-that is america n thats who it benefits. the indigenous people of the land do no fit that stereotype or that american label or should even want to identify with a label named after a person as americo who helped oppress them

          • Devin

            You are living in a dream world. Ask for nationality then you say American. Asked for race/ethnicity then you say Black. What’s the problem? I don’t see one …. unless you as ditzy as Zoe Saldana. How’d she get to be an actress anyway? They wanterd her because she had an ETHNIC look … the same characteristic she denounces. She can’t act anyway. She’s just a “LOOK”.

        • annabella

          you are a human being that is all the matters.

          • saytoomuch

            that’s nice n all but unfortunately that’s not the reality of the world

          • Devin

            Sure, hahaha SUUURRRE!!!!

        • Chris

          You’re certainly right. I have lived in Asia for several years and was constantly mistaken for African. Asians were shocked to hear I was American and would sometimes question me as if I were lying. I’ve even had jobs disregard my application simply because I’m not what they envision an American to look like.

        • paxdonnaverde

          I agree with Zoe Saldana. I’ve yet to meet a person who is truly white in the color of their skin and resent having to mark that when asked my ethnicity – as she said I’m pink or beige or tan depending on the time of year and how much wine I’ve had. I cross it out white and write in European (I’m Heinz 57 so I don’t pick a country anyway). I highly advise writing in your own ethnicity on forms until the users get so frustrated that they don’t bother anymore. A young British woman of African descent was working at a summer camp in California teaching drama. I was attempting to share about her and am thinking – hmmmm it’s not PC to say black right now but I can’t call her African-American because she is not American. I do find ethnicity helpful if I am trying to describe someone in a group of people but that really says nothing about their character or spirit.

          • Euphoria

            That young British woman you were trying to describe – I would have used the term “British”.

          • arecibo

            Zoe Saldana will NEVER BE PINK! typical of all Dominicans to deny what is obvious – their blackness

            • alasia min

              she never said anything about wanting to be pink

        • ethiopiandoll

          I was born/raised in Addis Abebe, Ethiopia. Both parents are Ethiopian, born in Dessa, Ethiopia. I Came to America to study. I officially became an American citizen a few years ago. At first when people asked me “what am I”, I used to say, “human” just to get a rise out of the question. Now, when asked, I respond with, “African-American.” When folks say, “No, you’re not.” I tilt my head to the side, give them my wide eyed look and say, “Yes, 100% beautifully black made in Africa.”

          • Guest

            Lol…that was cute response and made me chuckle! Yes…you are truly African-American!

            • Guest

              * a

        • alasia min

          Just saying American to mean white displays the delusion that America somehow belongs to white people when the only true Americans are the Natives. People of black African descent have been in America just as long as white americans(so longer even). Black Americans can just be called black americans or just call everyone American until told otherwise(after all they are in the country and unless their accent distinguishes them as being from another country) why can’t they be American?

        • Lisa

          Yes, I heard Italian- American and Irish-American all the time.

        • Carolyn Smith

          Why must we identify ourselves as an ethnic group? Whats the point , really? Why cant we all just be people?

      • Atimion

        Actually many ( Euro-Americans) do. Many of them label themselves “Irish” “Italian” or “Jewish” when their not. They are Irish-Americans or Italian-Americans which means an American of Irish descent. We ARE Afro-Americans because “we” are Americans of African descent. Which, I’m proud to say!

        • JustMyThoughtsToday

          Well they don’t have Euro-American, Irish-Americans, Jewish, Irish or Italian-Americans on any form you fill out. Those terms are not as common as separating out African Americans or Spanish. Nor do they use those terms on an everyday basis. In reality mostly all Americans are mixed with a few different backgrounds, no matter the color of their skin. So those terms are fading. We have been here enough generations to be just American like all the other nationalities that are here as just Americans.

          • Atimion

            Yes they do. Many of they say: “I’m Italian or I’m Irish” when they’re not, they don’t even “speak” the language or follow the customs.They are Americans of Italian or Irish descent. Just like we are Americans of African descent. And by the way, what’s wrong with having pride in one’s ancestry? What is wrong about being proud? Why is that only black folks are the only one’s that try to distance themselves?

            • Chris

              I agree with what you said. Any other race can be proud of their ancestry, but when it comes to blacks, we have to be as far removed as possible. I’ve been around plenty of whites that say things such as, “I’m Irish so you know we like to drink,” even though they’ve never been to Ireland.

              • criticall

                “I’m Irish so you know we like to drink” is as offensive as “I’m black and I like watermelon”. Until you can view an individual as human your are espousing racist views. There is nothing wrong with having pride in your ethnicity but using it for leverage is inhumane, period. If I were more concerned with my ancestry than being American than I should return to that homeland.

                • Chris

                  Just because someone mentions race or culture doesn’t mean they’re racist. Do you even know what racism means?

              • Lisa

                Then they are Irish descendents, Not Irish.

            • Fran

              I’m responding because I’m Haitian…in the Caribbean we are simply black, white or mulatto (those that are mix) we don’t force those of mix heritage to be labeled as black or white they are mix and we accept that. The United State is too concern with labeling people as oppose to solving basic economic issues…why aren’t we more concerned with why are blacks still being underrepresented as oppose to trying to gain people who are simply put not black.

          • DJ-Ultimate Wreckage

            JustMyThoughtsToday, when you say they don’t identify whites with the prefix of Irish or Italian on any form, why would they? Blacks come from one place (Africa), we are in the minority here, where as whites come from all manner of places, while remaining not an immigrant. Chile, Malta, Indonesia, Australia. Why would they go to the trouble of labeling all these places as a prefix to american?

            • Sweetiepie

              Most black Americans do not come from one place – Africa. Most of us are mixed on some level, European, American Indian, etc. This is literally true for bi-racial people. Unless a black American is the product of 2 Africans, they are not really “African American.” They are people of color, part African, part something else, to various degrees.

              • Amanthasay

                That’s a load of crap. There are PLENTY of White people with Indigenous and/or African ancestry in the US, you don’t see them walking around calling themselves Black or Native American. Why should we (people who actually identify as Afro-Americans and are secure in that) go around calling ourselves “mixed” because of that 1/4 or 1/5 “Other” that we don’t even have a true connection with?

          • Lisa

            The word associated with “SPANISH belongs to People from Spain( called Spaniard). which mean they are European whites.. You meant ,South and Central American, Puerto Rican, Dominican and Cuban etC. Spanish is a language.

        • Nina928

          well you know what, I call myself Puerto Rican and anyone that knows anything knows that Puerto Rican = American. We know who we are culturally and we also accept the color of our skin, whatever that may be. We come in all colors and are not blind to it but what keeps us united is our culture. Because a person is not born in their country of family origin does not they stop being who they are when the blood in their veins comes from an Irish, Jew, Italian, Spaniards, etc. Atimion – what ignorant thing to say.

          • Atimion

            How is it “ignorant” to say that Americans of Irish descent who proclaim they’re Irish aren’t? They’re not from Ireland, they’re Americans of Irish descent ( Irish-American). Just like a person who speaks Spanish say they’re “Spanish” when they’re not! They’re not from Spain, Hello!

            • FromTokyo

              I think the problem is a LOT of people don’t know the difference between race and ethnicity or that there’s even a difference at all.

              • Smelly smel

                You are so right I was just going back and forth with someone about the same issue and that is sad in 2014 people do not know the difference.

        • Amanthasay

          Oh my god, thank you! Finally someone said it. People can pick it apart all they want to but in the end Afro-American means exaclty that: an American of African descent. Period.

          • Dee

            I think the term ‘African American’ is really silly. It’s just a way for those in power to control you. If you have a name, they can say good/bad things about you like, ‘Jane Doe is the first African American woman to…’ would they say the same about a white person? NO. George Washington was the first American President, he was not called English-American. JFK was an American President, not referred to as an Irish-American..Obama comes on the scene and uh-oh! He’s African American. Why not just call him American like everyone else.

            • Amanthasay

              I personally don’t concern myself with what other people think of the term (Afro-American, not African-American which from a social scientist’s standpoint are 2 different things) or in what manner they use it. That has nothing to do with me. Other people’s problems with the term are just that: THEIR problem. When I’m talking about my nationality I say American, when I’m talking about my heritage, I say Afro-American. That’s it.

      • Harsh

        I totally agree with you 100%. I don’t consider myself as African American either. I know im black, but what you said is definitely true. There’s different backgrounds mixed in so no one is pure.

        • D’Truth

          Yes, ok, I understand the whole concept of mixture, but what baffles me is that you guys think that there aren’t any mixed people in Africa. It doesn’t make them any less African. Honestly when people like Zoe Saldana, Keyshia Cole, etc, who clearly LOOK black deny their ancestry, it’s really funny and pitiful. Light skinned blacks DO exist in Africa, and yes, WITHOUT any direct ethnic “mixtures”… Anyways, I’m tired of this conversation. People can call themselves whatever they want, but, they better be prepared for what the world sees them as! My Black people, let go of those who don’t want to be associated with you, we don’t need to claim anyone who does not want to be black. I used to do it all the time, and ask my CLEARLY Black dominican friends why they referred to themselves as any and every other “race”, BUT black. But, really, Who cares?

          • taz harry

            I’m of Black, Dominican, Native American, Puerto Rican, Irish, German and British Ancestry. I speak Spanish as a first and second language since I was born in America and my family retains it’s Latin and American cultures and languages simultaneously. I have very dark skin and I am clearly, happily and proudly Black. The only thing NOT identifiable as Black about my appearance is my hair, which everyone assumes is a weave at first because I’m dark. People frequently ask if they can touch it and when they discover it is naturally flowing from my scalp, only then, do people of all races ask if I’m mixed race.

            Despite the fact that I speak Spanish like a native speaker, that my hair texture is naturally silky fine and wavy, have lighter skinned sisters from the same parents and white skinned first cousins-with my outwardly black appearance, it does not even begin to cross someone’s mind that I may be of “mixed-heritage”. When people first meet me, I am nothing but Black and female first. This to me is a clear indication that people DO indeed see color and that they do indeed see a Black woman when they look at me.

            I do not have to explain away my Black heritage to “justify” why I have this type of hair that is part of my head, or how I learned to speak Spanish so well. I don’t feel the need to try to go out of my way to erase my Blackness to fit in with any society when I do explain how it is so. I simultaneously live as and closely identify with my Native and Latin American cultural upbringing, and yet, I am still Black in America just by color of my skin.

            • Mr Happy

              Hey… When I read your post. My mind immediately thought of Dubois (I pray I’ve pronounced his name correctly) ‘Souls of Black Folk’ I cannot recall all of what the book entails but what I do remember distinctly is the part wherein there is the aspect of dualism. Blessings. D

            • Patricia.L.B.

              Black people’s natural hair can be a thousand different textures, including “naturally silky fine” and this hair type can be on the darkest hue African person. Black people’s skin color also ranges from the lightest to the deepest. It is the same as when one sees a white person with naturally coiled or naturally kinky hair but people are brainwashed into typifying others. There is no set hair or skin type for a specific race but people prefer to think otherwise due to centuries of brainwashing. Everyone that is a Black, White, American-Indian with “history” in America is of “mixed heritage;” Black people are the most racially diverse people in the world yet this is constantly downplayed. I have to ask: do you know the history of the Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico? As for some of these celebrities, some of them are stone-called ignorant and delusional, i.e. Bill Cosby.

              • taz harry

                Yes Patricia, I know the history of the Dominican Republic. Dominicans have African and Haitian Blood. Puerto Ricans have African, Indian and Spanish blood. Mexicans have the Black African and Indian thing going on as well. Therefore, we are all BLACK, all day. and I’m loving all of it.
                And ou are so right about us being so diverse as a people, that is whyI don’t know why we can’t be proud of that and enjoy our uniqueness as the Black folks we are. I do’t know about anyone else, but I can’t be bothered with naming and claiming “everything I am”. The Black label doesn’t bother me, and it sure as hell simplifies it.

          • Amanthasay

            Actually, Zoe Saldana has claimed her Blackness on more than one occasion.

          • JustMyThoughtsToday

            Being a white African doesn’t make them any less African either.

            • Lola Guin

              Many North Africans (Libyans, Moroccans, Egyptians, Algerians) are
              technically Caucasian. There are only 3 races, according to
              anthropologists: Caucas0id, Mongol0id, and Negr0id. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of ethnicities though. Many North Africans are what we consider “Arab”, but they’re technically Caucasians. Africa is not 100% black.

              (Why did I get moderated for using scientific terms? Weird. This information is available online, even on Wikipedia, it’s not offensive. I don’t get why those words are tagged for moderation.)

      • George Stevenson

        You are correct. Stick to your position and you will be respected and happy.

      • Kieranshawn

        You don’t hear people say they are Irish American? Really? It seems half of the Americans I meet in Europe introduce themselves as being Irish or Scottish Americans. Never Ukrainian American or Polish American though, this trend just seems to apply to certain European countries. Of course the equivalent would be European American anyway.

      • paganW

        Actually I filled out one the other day and white or caucasian wasn’t an option so I had to pick European-American. Also, one of my professors in grad school referred to white people as Anglo-Americans. That last one was completely inaccurate, at least for me, as Anglo is short for Anglo-Saxons which were from ancient Great Britain; none of my relatives ever came from that island next to Europe, I don’t know about the other two white students though.

        • JustMyThoughtsToday

          Yeah ok & my dad is Kunta Kinte

        • Lola Guin

          Yeah, “Anglo-American” is definitely inaccurate if you’re referring to all white Americans. “Euro-American” would be more accurate. Not all whites are Anglo.

      • saytoomuch

        white africans themselves r not even called africans. south african whites r called afrikaners 2 differentiate themselves. no matter how long they’ve been there, they r not really africans. do ur research they r not indegenous to the land there4 go by a different name. bein african is mostly a name reserved 4 the black people of the land. whites that r here chose to leave europe n bcum americans. y would they tag their nationality like european or irish along with the american? they made the conscious decision to bcum americans. black people in america didn’t. u bcum american by way of african slavery in the diaspora. u r an african american. b proud of the term and stop tryin 2 fight or deny it.

        • JustMyThoughtsToday

          So then we should all check the African option because we all originated from Africa. Do your research.

          Humans originated about 200,000 years ago in the Middle Paleolithic period in southern Africa. By 70,000 years ago, humans migrated out of Africa and began colonizing the entire planet. They spread to Eurasia and Oceania 40,000 years ago, and reached the Americas by 14,500 years ago. One of the oldest sites of human settlement is located at Middle Awash in Ethiopia, where humans lived 160,000 years ago.

          • saytoomuch

            that statement about us all bein from africa is as basic as saying “we are all human beings”. ok so what?? the “we all originated from africa” arguments doesn’t work in these type of discussions. take the basic science elsewhere when we talk about real social issues

      • Ayojade

        THANK YOU! THIS!!! My dad is from Nigeria, making me a first generation American. I always tell my black friends that I am actually African American, they’re just American. No one seems to understand.

      • Carolyn Smith

        Oh, you are sooooo right! I think half the stuff ethnicty is a question on, shouldnt even have it on there. What difference does it really make?

      • Antman

        You consider people who came n took the land… TOOK the land… to be true africans huh… thats interesting… i guess white americans are actually native americans… or am i off??

    • pcofwork

      I honestly don’t like being just labelled “white”, I am very proudly 100% Irish-Canadian. Here in Canada, we don’t paint all “black” people with the same brush, everyone who isn’t white is titled Carribean Canadian, and so on, and so forth. We all have cultures to be proud of, and celebrate.

      • Chris

        Thank you for being honest. I use African American and black interchangeably, but I do feel as though black is too vague.

    • Simon

      Yoda surely your green?

    • knowledge

      That’s because society says if you have 1% drop of black blood in you, you are considered black and if your skin is dark whether you are not from Africa, but yet the Islands, when people look at you, you are still considered to be black whether you want to claim it or not. I believe that you should embrace all of your cultures, if you are bi-racial, then you are black and white and so on and so on!

    • Rita

      It’s amazing how the biggest sellout Quincy Jones gave his daughters African sounding names. Black men just hate the images of their moms and sisters so much!

    • bsbfankaren

      Who do you know that refers to themselves as “JUST black” ever? LOL!