Kevin Durant And WNBA Star Fiancée Monica Wright Split, And She Blames It On A Difference In Religious Beliefs

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July 22, 2014 ‐ By

Around this time last year, news got around that Oklahoma City Thunder star Kevin Durant was engaged to be married to WNBA star Monica Wright, a guard for the Minnesota Lynx. It was a real life Love and Basketball situation (Get it? Monica Wright?)! But sadly, it looks like Durant and Wright won’t be making it down the aisle.

According to Baller Alert, during a chat at the Minnesota Lynx’s Faith and Family Night event, Wright confirmed that the couple went their separate ways earlier this year. Even though they seemed like a cute couple, Wright said it was differences in their faith that drove them apart.

“I was engaged last year and it kind of changed that relationship big time because I was going in a direction that unfortunately a lot of people aren’t willing to sacrifice their lifestyle for.”
Wright didn’t specify what things Durant wasn’t willing to sacrifice his lifestyle for, but choosing not to accommodate the changes she was making for her faith was enough to let Wright know that she needed to move on alone. All of this is interesting considering that Durant seems to take his faith very seriously. He’s often seen moving around with his pastor, Carl Lentz of Hillsong Church in NYC. When speaking on getting baptized by Lentz last year, Durant had this to say during a testimony at the church:

“When I came out of the water, I just felt different. Basketball is so important to me and I carry that emotion with me all of the time and before that I would be so mad at the smallest things. My coaches, my teammates, my fans. After that, I was just so positive. Showing God his grace…”

I guess their walks were just a little too different.

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  • QleanQlassy Atlanta

    and they say black men cause it …….evidence shows not

  • Hey Now!

    Religion is the devil.

  • Ash

    Stop arguing with trolls. The same people on here arguing non stop about someone they don’t even believe in. How crazy is that?

  • Nancy Keys

    I was about to post my opinion on this topic but I can see I am late, it has been turned into another religious war page.

  • donQ

    Keeping that couchie till marriage. Ain’t no body got time fo dat!

  • neojett

    Why must people argue and be ugly to each other when it come to a discussion between believers and non believers? I have a coworker who is atheist, he’s a nice guy, intelligent, and he makes us laugh. He’s surrounded by believers but we respect his beliefs and he respects ours. Occasionally we’ll have discussions about it, but there is no name calling, anger, or attempts to convert anyone.

  • Tyrone Maryland

    Throwing away a real mate over an imaginary one. SMH!!!

  • AK

    Translation: “I didn’t want to have sex before marriage and that became a problem. I wasn’t going to compromise on that”.

  • Brando Williams

    Kevin Durant is part of the elite world now. She has to play their rules or she has to go which she did.

  • dashoe

    Booty call before marriage perhaps?

  • moresnare1970

    Ha, yeah, ‘religon’… What a scourge upon this earth ‘religion’ is, huh?

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  • Warren Frederickson

    Good for her, stick to your religious convictions. One person on this earth is proud of you, we both know our Lord and savior is !!

  • Judy Bradshaw

    unequally yoked

  • Concerned

    You can’t have a relationship with a deity that only exists in your head and then claim that your “enlightenment” is God’s will… In reality it is your ego’s will that you are trying to have others follow… In reality…. (You know the real world where Humans and other animals exist)

    Religion is the ultimate satisfaction of the ego by trying to place an insiginificant Human being at the center of the universe…

    The universe was not created for any of us… we are just lucky to have come to be where we are.

    If you really want to know “God”… look around at Nature, your fellow man, and protect them from harm… as the only God you will ever really truly know is the wind on your face.. that is cause by the spin of the planet. There is a real reason to everything.. but when you decide that religion is the reason behind something.. what you are doing is giving up the search for truth to live in Fantasy…

    • Wake Up

      Any intelligent person can look around and see a superior intelligence in everything. A superior intelligence (called God by most for a lack of better understanding) designed and built everything around you, including you. It would be harder to ‘believe’ that a single simple magic cell of life appeared suddenly from nowhere on a single planet capable of sustaining said cell. This simple cell not only survived but it was able to ‘evolve’ into the millions of complex and distinct DNAs seen around the world. And one DNA is so complex that all the greatest minds and super computers combine can’t even understand nor explain what that one ‘life’ is. And especially not duplicate nor recreate it. And so your magic cell ‘evolved’ into plants, animals, and was able to magically organize itself into various complete food chains and ecosystems. From just a single magic cell! Wow!
      Its a shame your education isn’t enough for you to understand how wrong
      your entire comment was. I suppose you think your super great grand-dad
      was an amoeba, a fish or a monkey right? Sad to be you.

  • ming_mow

    not about religious beliefs it’s about preference, Durant prefers males he was seen dating Justin Bieber. lol

  • Jean C

    Is Durant running around with his pastor, then he’s cruising for a bruising. His faith should be in God and not in a man who puts his pants on one leg at a time as well. Yes, have respect for your pastor, but Durant’s confidence seems to be in the wrong place, another man’s flesh. I just hope the pastor truly is a man of God who is striving to set the best possible example, but all indications sends the message that the “man of the cloth” may be following the money bag, as most pastors do today. A real man of God would encourage Durant that although it’s good to surround oneself with GODLY people, your walk with God is often at an individual pace and the Holy Spirit guides you and not another man.

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  • DJ

    I would think that if they are far apart on their religious practice this would be a problem. He sounds like he is born again. If she is not as dedicated to her beliefs this would be a bad fit.

  • masvergon

    she left him because he wanted her to sign a pre-nup

  • R.W. Hastings

    Religion is absolutely something to consider when entering into a relationship. And though compromise is part of any relationship, even compromise has its limits. I usually avoid discussing religion because I have strong ideas regarding religious practices. Safe is to make sure that whatever religion you practice is the same religion practiced by your significant other or minimally shares your views on the practice of religion.

  • Kenny Powers

    There aint even a Jesus.

  • dave

    More black love destroyed by a white jesus. I swear, black folks love jesus more than anything, and will fight for him, even though he was introduced to black folks during slavery as a means to control and make them subservient to their white masters. But that ain’t none of my business… *sips tea

  • dave

    A false god has ruined more real relationships than a side-chick.

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  • i said it out loud

    Durant sure dodge a bullet there.

  • TheFixr

    Just like when Jane Fonda left Ted Turner. Got tired of the 3-way smash sessions with other women.

  • capoeiraike .

    Wow christians are INSANE!!

  • Foxxblood

    Breaking up over an invisible magic man that has ZERO evidence for its existance is really dumb.

  • Bervick Simien

    Its Just insane how im seeing these commnets on here. How can people make fun about God? Dont get me wrong everyone has their belief and you cant judge them for that because God did not put no one here to judge. But to see those type of comments towards God himself is just insane. Its funny how people believe that we came to past from science. Last time I checked science was not perfect, we as humans did not create nothing in this world so how can we say their is no God? The devil does exist…all this killing, rape, homosexuality is hellish is prime proof that he existed. God was existed waayyyy before any of us commenting on here was born. Last time I checked we live, and we die. Can you control your death? no because you are going to die someday anyway. But make sure the life you live is a good life unto God himself God loves everyone even the people that talks about him. The United States is the only nation that really takes making fun of God to a whole different level. Look at over seas people. They go through hell night and day with all the wars and dying they got going over their but yet they BELIEVE IN GOD even in the in the situations they are in. Most people over their are homeless, getting rapped, dying, having to fear for their life while we over here living the good life. I bet if we was all was in their situation I bet you will be screaming for Gods name. I was in a situation where a guy put a gun to my head just because he wanted money and he was suppose to be my so called friend, and he was really going to kill me if I didnt have money on me. That shows you that God is real because he protected me from what could have been my last breath. Let me say this and you read it carefully. If God himself did not exist….THEN WHY ARE YOU DENYING IT? you are denying it because apart of you knows that God exist but you have satan speaking over your life saying that he does not exist. That comes to show that God and Satan are real and they walk among use everyday.

    • Foxxblood

      Have you ever ready anything at all about about the Atheist position? Your post is one GIANT straw-man fallacy. I suggest you attempt to understand the non-believer position before you misrepresent them on a massive scale.

    • Hob Boner

      Maybe if people didn’t believe in god like those over seas folks they would not be fighting with each other. As far the belief in god goes, it is a theory until proven true and since it is yours and other theory it is up to you and others to prove factual evidence and not hearsay that this god exist. Now don;t come back and ask me to disprove it because I am not the one who made up this theory about god, you and others did. I myself do not believe anything unless I myself can verify it to be true.

  • LaDonna McGee

    LaDonna McGee The
    problem in most relationships is that some of us are not going in the
    same direction. End the in there is divorce. In order for a
    relationship to work you have to ask the key questions that matter. I
    agree with Kevin. He maned up. He knows the kind of woman he wants. And
    if God is in the Mist YOU will not go wrong. Go Boy

  • rick

    Once again religion ruins something good. there is no god. yet you ruin part of your life that could be great because of that bullchit. what a shame.

  • Big Tim

    Oh and if you don’t believe there is a Heaven and Hell, talk to nurses in ER’s. There are lots of stores of people coming back from the dead and seeing Hell and Heaven. People saying “I’m burning” but there is no fire to be seen. Stories of folks going to Heaven and seeing their dead relatives. How can you unbelievers explain these stories?

  • YaYa

    Unfortunately some religions cannot coexist. And that my friends is why our world is the way it is today. y

  • Big Tim

    The evidence that Jesus Christ exists is in the Bible, also it’s in the history books. You have to open your heart to Jesus coming in. If you are stubborn and hardheaded then you are making a choice to reject him. You might listen to what these guys are trying to tell you, instead of trying to twist their words. It is the DEVIL doing it, ask yourself this: Where is your soul going to go when you die? Have you even thought of that? Also for Scott, try three times to get through to him, if he doesn’t open his heart, then it says he’s a fool. It is in the Bible, I would have to research exactly chapter and verse but it is in there. So it seems you have done it three times hence now it has become a waste of time. You have planted the seed, let God do the rest.

  • Kirk Shindler

    Christians are all at different places in their faith along with their lives sometimes it just takes people longer to get where God wants them and that alone seems to me to be a good reason to split there just is things that God has to work on longer than other especially when aot of money is involved

  • fernelly

    religion makes people insane

  • John Howell

    It’s better that they came to grips with these differences before they got married. Hope it works out for both.

  • carol athey

    It can be very difficult for to people to reconcile religious differences, especially when they are strong. Best wishes to both of them, as they move on.

  • Brandon Martin

    this couple broke up because of what is most likely a made up fairy tale……a geez

  • saul rosenberg

    Gosh, why are there so many McDonalds ads on a black news source? Is it demographics or profiling? I always get confused when it’s criminal or advertising.

  • Brian Hayes

    Better to find out now than after saying “I do.”

  • Hanna Park

    Good for both of them. You really need to examine if your future spouse can go long way with you. Looks to me Kevin Durant’s priority is different from hers and they will understand after all things happen for reason, probably for better.

  • Imat

    Wonder if the religious belief had anything to do with the use of a prenupt

  • snr

    To each his own. Don’t ever forget that.

  • Tom Tucker

    Religion ruins most things that are positive in life. She was most likely a muslim and wanting to behead him.

  • Rob Thompsonville

    Kevin just is a man with little faith and morals. He was unwilling to give his life up for God. He like the rest will perish.

  • Guest

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  • Guest

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  • Guest

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  • Guest

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  • Guest

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  • Guest

    Soon as I read this article…. I knew exactly what happened, because it happened to me. Monica Wright is a member of the Church of Christ and Kevin isn’t. All I did was type Monica Wright religion and as soon as I saw Church of Christ baptism..I knew that had to be the reason. I dated a girl who was with the Church of Christ and she would not marry me unless I converted.There are some followers of the Church that are like that. My best friend who is a member of the Church is the same way. He will not marry a girl unless she is also a member. I’m 100% certain that this is what happened to Kevin.

  • Guest

    Soon as I read this article…. I knew exactly what happened, because it happened to me. Monica Wright is a member of the Church of Christ and Kevin isn’t. All I did was type Monica Wright religion and as soon as I saw Church of Christ baptism..I knew that had to be the reason. I dated a girl who was with the Church of Christ and she would not marry me unless I converted.There are some followers of the Church that are like that. My best friend who is a member of the Church is the same way. He will not marry a girl unless she is also a member. I’m 100% certain that this is what happened to Kevin.Soon as I read this article…. I knew exactly what happened, because it happened to me. Monica Wright is a member of the Church of Christ and Kevin isn’t. All I did was type Monica Wright religion and as soon as I saw Church of Christ baptism..I knew that had to be the reason. I dated a girl who was with the Church of Christ and she would not marry me unless I converted.There are some followers of the Church that are like that. My best friend who is a member of the Church is the same way. He will not marry a girl unless she is also a member. I’m 100% certain that this is what happened to Kevin.

  • Guest

    Soon as I read this article…. I knew exactly what happened, because it happened to me. Monica Wright is a member of the Church of Christ and Kevin isn’t. All I did was type Monica Wright religion and as soon as I saw Church of Christ baptism..I knew that had to be the reason. I dated a girl who was with the Church of Christ and she would not marry me unless I converted.There are some followers of the Church that are like that. My best friend who is a member of the Church is the same way. He will not marry a girl unless she is also a member. I’m 100% certain that this is what happened to Kevin.

  • Guest

    Soon as I read this article…. I knew exactly what happened, because it happened to me. Monica Wright is a member of the Church of Christ and Kevin isn’t. All I did was type Monica Wright religion and as soon as I saw Church of Christ baptism..I knew that had to be the reason. I dated a girl who was with the Church of Christ and she would not marry me unless I converted.There are some followers of the Church that are like that. My best friend who is a member of the Church is the same way. He will not marry a girl unless she is also a member. I’m 100% certain that this is what happened to Kevin.Soon as I read this article…. I knew exactly what happened, because it happened to me. Monica Wright is a member of the Church of Christ and Kevin isn’t. All I did was type Monica Wright religion and as soon as I saw Church of Christ baptism..I knew that had to be the reason. I dated a girl who was with the Church of Christ and she would not marry me unless I converted.There are some followers of the Church that are like that. My best friend who is a member of the Church is the same way. He will not marry a girl unless she is also a member. I’m 100% certain that this is what happened to Kevin.

  • Guest

    Soon as I read this article…. I knew exactly what happened, because it happened to me. Monica Wright is a member of the Church of Christ and Kevin isn’t. All I did was type Monica Wright religion and as soon as I saw Church of Christ baptism..I knew that had to be the reason. I dated a girl who was with the Church of Christ and she would not marry me unless I converted.There are some followers of the Church that are like that. My best friend who is a member of the Church is the same way. He will not marry a girl unless she is also a member. I’m 100% certain that this is what happened to Kevin.

  • Guest

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  • Guest

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  • Guest

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  • Guest

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  • Guest

    A lot better than some Maggot-Mouthed Freak like you BOY !!!! Also GOD declared maggots like you to be an ABOMINATION fruit loop, don’t like it , take it up with him PUNK !!!A lot better than some Maggot-Mouthed Freak like you BOY !!!! Also GOD declared maggots like you to be an ABOMINATION fruit loop, don’t like it , take it up with him PUNK !!!

  • Guest

    A lot better than some Maggot-Mouthed Freak like you BOY !!!! Also GOD declared maggots like you to be an ABOMINATION fruit loop, don’t like it , take it up with him PUNK !!!

  • Guest

    A lot better than some Maggot-Mouthed Freak like you BOY !!!! Also GOD declared maggots like you to be an ABOMINATION fruit loop, don’t like it , take it up with him PUNK !!!s

  • Guest

    A lot better than some Maggot-Mouthed Freak like you BOY !!!! Also GOD declared maggots like you to be an ABOMINATION fruit loop, don’t like it , take it up with him PUNK !!!

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  • prinefan

    Religion can screw up anything, look at all the trouble it causes our world. Nothing or nobody is safe from it.

  • jesus

    The reason to end religion……superstitious mumbo jumbo. Grow up people.

  • eyelostmyname

    She got her piece of alimony and is moving on.

  • chasdurham

    as MARK TWAIN SAID, ( RELIGION BEGAN WHEN THE WORLDS FIRST CON MAN MET THE WORLDS FIRST FOOL.) I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THIS GREAT AUTHOR…..

    • American man

      Did he tell that to Ni–er Jim?

      • mmmdot

        No, he said it to inbred white trash like you.

    • airtech1

      Read Aldus Huxley and you’ll know who the real fools are.

  • Rye

    Whoa they had a real deep conversation over a break up with people they don’t even know *deep* lol o.0 . Oh well i wish both parties the best. We all should know from growing up ( which i see a few of you haven’t) that time and life brings people together or apart. It happens doesn’t mean you respect or love the person any less they just aren’t what you need or their all you need. Simple.

  • plazanisme

    I bet one is not a fan of using rubbers, but the other insists it’s the only way, or famine.

  • SKULLTAKER

    Amazing these dudes got all this Money but too Stupid or Cheap to put a Private Investigator on them for a couple of weeks to get the Skinny on them !!!

  • Sean

    Was it because KD believes man is only saved by grace while she believes man is saved by grace plus works?!

  • SKULLTAKER

    1 of the best moves K D could make, this broads was about as ugly as they come, plus 95 % of the WNBA players are Lesbians , HELLLLLLOOOOOO , major red flag

  • SKULLTAKER

    GOOD K D got rid of her, she is Wolf Cookie FUGLY. Ghetto Hood Rat ho all the way. GOD always comes first, Lots of other way better looking ladies out there K D , good move BRO !!!

  • Ron Stave

    God is in the heart young man, believe in each other and everything will work out.

  • Burnnel Jabbar

    Kevin Durant mingles with 5 percent and Islam,, she is christian that was their spiritual differences

  • America Rising

    They broke up over a difference in beliefs. She beliefed he should pay her bills, and he beliefed dat all da hos be his for the taking

  • Jeremy Alexander

    I can’t imagine being so brainwashed by anything, let alone fairy tales, that I would walk away from someone I love. I pity them both.

    • SKULLTAKER

      THE same way I feel about IDIOTS who don’t believe in GOD !!!!

  • Raymond Moser

    Religion is so silly.

    • SKULLTAKER

      And you win the Award for being a Blithering Idiot your Master Satan is Laughing at you 24/7 Boy !!!

      • pika12

        People aren’t idiots just because they don’t believe what you believe. In your opinion the Bible or some other religious book is literally true or is the word of a God. In their opinion it is not. If you didn’t see a God write it then the truth is you don’t know who’s right and who’s wrong. Anyone can claim they were inspired to write something, that doesn’t make it a fact.

        • SKULLTAKER

          Just like reading the Drivel you wrote doesn’t even make you Remotely Intelligent, So I’ll say it again They are IDIOTS and you seem to be also , so Shut Up !!!

          • pika12

            Don’t you know how to make a point without calling people names? It’s not nice to insult people for no reason whatsoever. What would Jesus think of your attitude?

            • SKULLTAKER

              ATTACK my GOD AND look forward to getting attacked so take your namby-mamby weak crap someplace else

              • pika12

                No one is knowingly attacking God, they are attacking your beliefs. They don’t know your God to be real, if they did, they most likely would not be attacking Him. Since you are a believer, you should set an example and pray for them instead of making a counter attack against people who don’t have the malice that you are accusing them of.

                • SKULLTAKER

                  YOU need to take off the rose-colored glasses and lay off the drugs, you sound like hippie right out of 1966

                  • pika12

                    In that case hippies must have had a lot more sense that I would have given them credit for. I’m using reasoning and rationality while you are just spouting out insults. You are obviously too close minded to consider anyone else’s point of view as having any sort of validity.

                    • SKULLTAKER

                      YOU don’t have a clue about reasoning or rationality. Also the Hippies were nothing but drugged out disease carrying Freaks, Fools like you crack me up, trying to sound all high n mighty, with not a Shred of Common Sense !!!

        • SKULLTAKER

          Satan loves having IDIOTS like you in his corner, so stay on your knees and keep giving him a blow, make sure you swallow it all ok. GOD is not Trendy nor does he have a need to Evolve, the beauty of GOD is that he gave us Free Will, your choice to believe or not !!

          • pika12

            I can’t just choose to believe something. My brain doesn’t work like that. I can’t just say, okay tomorrow I’ll start believing in Big Foot because many people have spotted them and claim to have had close encounters and there’s blurry video footage, articles, and tv shows about these beings. So, I’m going to use my free will to choose to believe that Big Foot beings exist. Well, it’s not that simple, parts of my brain will send me messages that will interfere with my ability to exercise my free will to believe in Big Foot. Whether I like it or not, I will begin having thoughts and questions like: 1. well why haven’t any Big Foot creatures been captured dead or alive?, 2. well I haven’t actually seen any Big Foot personally, 3. Why isn’t there any clearer footage of a Big Foot? etc. With such unsolicited questions popping in my head, my desire to believe in Big Foot would be completely thwarted. Belief cannot be controlled by Free Will. That’s why it is blatantly unfair to punish a person by death or eternal torture because they can’t bring themselves to believe in something that they don’t feel they can know to be true, especially if that person otherwise had a moral life. At least God supposedly directly spoke to, approached, and had back and forth 2 party conversations with some of the characters in the Bible like Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Moses, etc. If that’s the case, they had no excuse. They didn’t have to refer to a book written by humans thousands of years after its context. Is it my fault that I haven’t the had the same reasonable confirmation? If God comes to me personally and tells me to believe, I’m sure that would do the trick. Why is it that only biblical characters get to have these one on one audible back and forth conversations with Him?

            • SKULLTAKER

              ITS BECAUSE YOU ARE AN IDIOT !!!

              • pika12

                It’s because I have an innate tendency to evaluate and assess as oppose to just automatically accepting whatever has been introduced to me. Being inquisitive doesn’t make you an idiot, it makes you sensible.

                • SKULLTAKER

                  You have an innate ability to be a Pain in the Butt, and completely DEVOID of Logic .

      • Raymond Moser

        And Alien beings are controlling your thoughts. Nice name for a good christian boy: SKULLTAKER.

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  • NativeBeautyy

    I feel for couples who go through these things, but if its not right, trying to make it something its not, can have fkd up consequences. Glad she got out early.. Hopefully they EACH find someone worth having.

  • Eddy

    Numbers 31:1-4 “Under God’s direction, Moses’ army defeats the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and children captive. When Moses learns that they left some live, he angrily says: “Have you saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.”

    How many of you bible freaks know your religion? None.

    • SKULLTAKER

      A lot better than some Maggot-Mouthed Freak like you BOY !!!! Also GOD declared maggots like you to be an ABOMINATION fruit loop, don’t like it , take it up with him PUNK !!!

      • Eddy

        So you support slavery and rape. Great, just try not to reproduce, that is the only present you can give back to humanity.

        • SKULLTAKER

          Wrong LOSER, got a Real Female Wife , Kids, and Grandkids !!!
          Then theres You a Maggot on the Down Low letting other Men use you ike a Human Toilet !!

          • Eddy

            You seem a little butthurt. Did the verse I put up hurt your little christian beliefs?

            • SKULLTAKER

              NAH, maggots like you just amuse me Boy !!!Since you’re a homosexual, I’ll let you worry about the butthurt disease carrier !!

              • Eddy

                Ephesians 6:5 “Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.”

                keep preaching for you tyrant.

    • Wiggy

      What version of the Bible do you find that verse from? Because I’m not seeing it…

      • Eddy

        Let’s make this easy for you. What does your Numbers 31 verse 1 to 4 say.

        • midusdew

          Eddy keep reading you will find the new testament. it will lead you to the right path of life… It’s up to you.

          • Eddy

            Christians sure don’t know about their bible. Did you know that the old testament will apply until the end of time? “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” Matthew 5:18-19

          • pika12

            The new testament is just new ideas by a group of people who wanted to revise some of the nonsensical stuff in the old testament that was bound to lead to the demise of the religion. So they used ‘Jesus quotes’ and other aspects of the new testament to get rid of some of the more barbaric aspects of the religion presented as Moses law in the old testament like an ‘eye for an eye’ and also animal sacrifice. One human sacrifice (Jesus) supposedly freed everyone from the Old Testament. It’s conflicting though because one of the Jesus quotes was that he didn’t come to change the law, yet other Jesus quotes clearly changed the law.

    • Hotbite

      When God gives instruction, He means it. When He commanded the Israelites to wipe out the enemy, He meant it. It was so the chosen people of God would not be influenced by the pagan religion of the gentiles. As difficult as it is for us to accept His command in the OT to wipe out the enemy including women and children, God is a holy God and did not want the Israelites worshipping other false gods! In Hebrews, it also states that the things of the Old Testament were a shadow of things to come. In other words, they foreshadowed Christ and the New Covenant, so we (believers of today symbolized by the Israelites) are to destroy the sin (symbolized by the pagans) in our own lives. Hope this helps.

      • Eddy

        Yes, when god tell people to kill children, he means it. When god tell people to take virgins as their sex slaves, he means it. When I say you need to revaluate your perverted beliefs, I mean it.

        • Hotbite

          I can appreciate your passion, Eddy. God is holy and just. I don’t pretend to understand all that He does. He is also loving and gracious. So loving that He would send His son to die on a cross so our sins could be wiped away, so that we might enjoy eternal life. Died for me. Died for you.

          • Eddy

            You don’t understand god, but as a human being you can sympathize with others when they are being murdered and their children are taking as sex slaves. God isn’t real, people only use him to justify their actions. If someone killed your whole family and took you as their sex slaves and say it was god that send them, are you willing to set aside your humanity for their beliefs?

            • Hotbite

              The biblical references you quote are from the Old Testament when the Israelites were under the Law. I’ve already done my best to explain why God commanded the Israelites to kill the enemy so I won’t bother re-hashing that. Jesus, though, fulfilled the Law and has simplified things with two commandments: to love God and others. I simply do my best to do that.

              • Eddy

                Holy moly, do christians ever take their time to read the whole bible? The old testament is still valid, here let me help you. Matthew 5:18-19 “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
                The laws were never abolished. At least educate yourself on your religion, but it won’t do you any help as it’s all based on primitive ideologies.

                • Hotbite

                  Eddy, thanks for citing that Scripture. Yes, I actually do read the bible…in fact you started right after the passage I cited which is verse 17, where Jesus said he came to fulfill the Law. In fact, Eddy, I would encourage you not just to start one verse earlier but to scroll up to the beginning of chapter 5 where Jesus says that those who are blessed are the poor in spirit, the peacemakers, those who are gentle, etc. Doesn’t sound like people who are out murdering and raping to me.

                  • Eddy

                    Do you know what fulfill and abolish mean? Fulfill is to complete which is why there is a new testament, which completed the bible and laws. Abolish is to get rid of, but jesus himself said he didn’t come to abolish the old laws, thus why the old testament is still in the bible. This is where christians start cherry picking the bible when it clearly say you have to follow every single law in that book, “till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished.”

  • Fchinese

    who give the f

    • Guestest

      Funny, i was thinking the same thing..

  • Jonathan Augusta

    Soon as I read this article…. I knew exactly what happened, because it happened to me. Monica Wright is a member of the Church of Christ and Kevin isn’t. All I did was type Monica Wright religion and as soon as I saw Church of Christ baptism..I knew that had to be the reason. I dated a girl who was with the Church of Christ and she would not marry me unless I converted.There are some followers of the Church that are like that. My best friend who is a member of the Church is the same way. He will not marry a girl unless she is also a member. I’m 100% certain that this is what happened to Kevin.

    • Paul Kisling

      It is not smart to “force” a spouse into religion anyhow. Chances are they will pretend until after the wedding then will not need to any more.

      • Jonathan Augusta

        exactly…. Or you get the result that happened here.

  • nathanmthompson
    • SKULLTAKER

      STOP LYING YOU TROLL P O S , the only BMW you bought was a.99 cents HOT WHEELS Model

  • Jessica2248

    Stand firm by your beliefs. If you can be swayed to bend them…why have them in the first place? I wish them both happiness in the future.

    • Eddy

      So you support slavery?

    • Jeremy Alexander

      Happiness and religion don’t seem very compatible. Fairy Tales should never be taken seriously.

      • Jessica2248

        I’m sorry, what’s your point? If they are both happy going their own way, for whatever reason, or belief, then more power to them. Who are you to say what is real to them or what isn’t? Nobody.

  • RealityWatch

    Let me guess. As soon as he asked her to marry him the sex stopped.

  • NewsRe

    Another poor reporter with no idea how to write a story. What faiths are each in the story?

    Victoria Uwumarogie should be fired.

    • MNEditor2

      LOL Fired? Why I just recently got a promotion! *shrug*

  • bricktop_MelindaM

    At least they acted like two adults and realized this wasn’t going to work and walked away before causing one another heartache and drama.

    • Doll Phace

      True.

  • Doll Phace

    Ok so he didn’t beat her up, cheat on her, ended up gay or messed up her credit? And she mad because he’s worships his god? Bishes need to get they priorities str8!

    • Rodney James

      No, he probably wanted “Premarital Sex” which is a violation of Christian Law, no matter what version or translation of the Bible you read. What do you think Doll Phace?

      • Doll Phace

        Well if that is the case, and he can’t respect it then by all means move on. In that case he IS a basketball player he can have as much premarital sex as he wants just not with her.

    • Huh What

      Well God comes before all things whether it’s on his behalf or hers so it sounds to me like the priorities are straight. You don’t sway away from God and your faith in the name of having a man or having a woman no matter how good they appear to be because they can leave, but God is omnipresent.

      • Doll Phace

        True. If it’s premarital sex then I understand completely

  • Kamau Thabiti

    white people got in the way.

    • Jeremy Alexander

      Jesus was not white, so your theory does not really work. More religious nuts.

  • moliere

    She does not love him any more. The rest is bla bla bla , bla bl bla and non sense.

  • hector

    sorry to tell you people you cant look for fame and fortune then look for salvation its either one or the other GOD doesnt work both ways !! oh by the way !! thanxs and god bless !!

    • Eddy

      God support slavery, get your facts right.

  • UNCLE SI

    Durant wasn’t ready to settle for a jumpshot. He keeps taking it to the hole.

  • Viet.Vet 2

    I guess she will be coming out soon, dropping her current religion for one that believe in same sex union, just saying.

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  • swmnguy

    Well, who knows what really happened. It could have been anything. How many reasons are there for any relationship to falter as people grow in different directions, or discover things about each other the longer they stay together? People who are very religious tend to explain everything in terms of their religion, because that’s their yardstick. If it were a different couple, less religious, they might just say, “we have different priorities.” Or even, “it just didn’t work out.”
    Probably nothing to read into this situation.

  • MyUnderstanding

    The man wanted to hit it before marriage. lol

  • pgeetruth

    This relationship could have been saved quite easily by them just dropping the individual religions and becoming each other’s religion.

  • Robert

    Why is it so hard about making the right choice at the right time? She states because of different religious beliefs there could be so many reasons why being baptize in Jesus name and not The Father, Son and Holy Ghost! One may believe in prophecy and one does not, being filled with the Holy Ghost with evidence of Tongues or any gifts of the Holy Spirit! So with that being said it does not necessarily mean it’s a bad thing! The Word of God says acknowledge the Lord in all thy ways and he shall direct thy paths, so if they have sought him then is not possible He showed them both this was not the right choice for either? Just consider the comment! God Bless

  • vulgarisvoluntas

    My racist statement of the day…although I am African American so is it racist? Anyway African American religious women can take it way way way way overboard…marching to Guyana cool aid drinking overboard. No matter how much Durant’s faith matters to him…he ain’t Jesus. Yeah I’m a cynic that hates organized religion but I try to be even keel. I may be wrong but it does sound like she was going down the Jim Jones path.

    • mmmdot

      No but there is such a thing as racialized sexism, which black men seem to LOVE engaging in. I’m not quite sure why you like to find different reasons to shxt all over black women when half of you can barely make it to the end of the day without getting locked up, but whatever. Maybe you should concentrate on all the shady azz black male pastors at those black megachurches that EXPLOIT the poor rather then HELP the poor–they pose a bigger problem then religious black women.

      • allykat

        How many white pastors with mega churches and/or massive TV audiences have been caught in affairs, with drugs, with hookers, of robbing the till? From Baker to Swaggert, there is a long list. I think phony pastors are the very best proof of racial equality. I am willing to bet it is the same in Asia, India, and on any island in the ocean.

        • mmmdot

          Are you kidding? Um, just because there are shysters in every race, ethnicity, etc. doesn’t mean that there is racial equality. Even criminals of different races that commit the SAME EXACT CRIMES are treated differently.

        • Rodney James

          Did you know that JESUS denounced men who took titles like “Pastor”, “Father” “Monsignor” “Reverend”? He said do not call any man on Earth “Father” for you have a father (GOD) in heaven, or “Leader” for I am your “leader”. He meant that in a religious term. The original terms for those taking the lead in the Christian Congregation (Anglicized: Church) were Elders or Overseers (Bishop or Prespertyrios) & Servants of the ministers (Deaconis or Deacon), the ministers being all the members of the congregation (church), upon baptism? The Bible calls such men “The men of lawlessness” “Wolves in sheep’s clothing” “Hired Shepherds”. True Shepherds volunteered their time to tend to the congregations needs, they were never paid and they never retired. Strange how things change in 2,500 years huh?

  • mmmdot

    I just don’t know how someone could let religion get in the way of their loving relationship. It’s ridiculous. Some people thump the bible and harass religion a little too goddamned much

  • In The Beginning

    Psalm 14:1
    The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

    • Eddy

      Numbers 31:1-4 “Under God’s direction, Moses’ army defeats the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and children captive. When Moses learns that they left some live, he angrily says: “Have you saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.”

      What a loving god and religion.

  • In The Beginning

    2 Corinthians 6:14

    Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

  • capoeiraike .

    Lmao, it’s a crying shame people, especially black people still believe this religious nonsense. A seemingly happy couple split apart by grade school, bronze age superstition. “I got out of the water and just felt different”. Yeah right buddy, I’m glad the “power of god” helped you control your EVOLVED PRIMATE anger issues, now if only your “all powerful god” could oh I dunno maybe feed all the starving children in the world instead of worrying about the emotional shortcomings of wealthy superstar athletes the world would be a better place. SMDH

  • Allen Elliott

    They are split over man made religious beliefs not over unconditional love.

  • Joe Yo

    Go Durant keep the faith. God will bless you. Don’t be unevenly yoked or your marriage will not last. I don’t know her belief but God must always come first. Anyone thinking different is not a true servant of God. Blaming God is not knowing God.

  • Larry Sullivan

    He isn’t religious so he cheats? J/K.

  • Blaqgod

    To say that it’s supposed to be about unity, love and peace religion certainly has a way of creating division, hate and chaos. So many will remain alone because of their religious dogma

  • steve

    good for her. a whale of a catch to walk away from. wishing her the best.

  • guy

    What she meant to say is what most women see as deal breakers. “Oh he didn’t want to conform to every little thing I demanded so we went our separate ways.” lol

  • Prof B

    Religion is kinda overrated anyway…

    • allykat

      Kinda? More like extremely.

  • Prof B

    If she’s talking that much, there’s no need to keep her around… Plenty of fish out there in the sea…

  • dolphanphan

    KD now has zero wedding rings to go along with his no championship rings.

  • seti

    ITS NONE OF MY BUSINESS

  • DiamondDick1

    Wow! A lot of words but not much info….

  • K.C.

    Black people are so blindly obsessed with religion. Remnants of slavery and what was forced down our throats. Total brainwashing. he was born of a virgin and turned water into wine? Are people really serious with these fairy tales?

    • airtech1

      You’re right. Let’s try down and dirty intellection and ideology, of the Nietzchean, Darwinian and Stalinist variety. You know, fun nihilism for serious folk.

      • K.C.

        Right because the opposite of biblical fairy tale is Darwin? Try again. Water cannot be turned into wine. Unless you put kool aid i nit?And even then Kool Aid is not wine.

        • airtech1

          Who said anything about opposites (or Biblical miracles for that matter). I brought up some fairly “popularized” influencers of the last century — and nobody who’ve drunken from that well, would dispute that. Oops, forgot about Freud, the ultimate advocate of intrinsic human dignity and clearly, the progenitor of the civil rights movement.

          • K.C.

            Yes, you are smart. I know that is what you wanted to hear. Anyone who
            brings up Nietzche on a blog post about a has been athlete is looking
            for a compliment. Why did you bring them up? Nihilism is not “fun”. It
            simply is. As religion is not serious. It cannot be. Not when it talks
            of 100 virgins and magical underwear and Xenu and virgins having vaginal
            canal births and talking angels and seas parting now can it?

  • MrDDF

    We know what this was about! She didn’t want to give it up anymore after she got the ring, she decided no more until after the “I do’s”

  • FAH Q!

    I bet he dissed the wnba! lol

  • provokethought

    Sometimes people misunderstand what “evenly yoked” means. Sometimes we let “religion” get in the way. Or sometimes it is just that we as individuals get in our own way. God bless them both and I hope they each find “the one.”

  • Aesha Adams-Roberts

    As a matchmaker and dating coach, I’m glad to see they made a mature decision BEFORE they said “I Do.” if the core values aren’t aligned, then you’ll see friction in the marriage.

    • DanFromMV

      If there are two humans in a marriage, then you’ll see friction at some point.

  • Bria Jackson

    An athlete whose lady was not with him for the money. Good luck Kevin in finding another one like this. Most of you guys are lucky to find a women that have real values. Most are either busy trying to get pregnant or posting half naked selfies of themselves on the internet. Monica seems to be a catch. Hopefully she will find someone that can really appreciate a woman like her.

    • Xzamilio

      Yeah, because it’s clearly his fault. It’s always the man’s fault. Hopefully, some more information can come out since it wasn’t explicitly stated what she did that he could not accept or what he did that violated her beliefs.

  • stealth

    My guess is he or her are Jehovah’s witness and the other wasnt with it. :-[

    • Xzamilio

      He’s not.. Hillsong is not affiliated with Jehovah’s Witness. They are more of a modern progressive denomination

      • airtech1

        Hillsong isn’t a denomination. It’s just a megachurch that started in Australia known for its arena worship music and charismatic preaching. It also tips toward the scale of lightweight theology, easy believeism, and at worst, reductionistic, prosperity teaching.

        • Xzamilio

          I know that it’s a megachurch, but I misspoke when saying it was a denomination.. I don’t actually know what denomination is associated with it, and frankly I don’t care. It’s a cut of the same cloth of nonsense as far as I’m concerned… just less condemning and pushy as the evangelicals out here.

  • marling

    I guess they didn’t have much in “Common” Monica wasn’t “Just Wright” for Kevin oh well

    • Brittany Correa

      Come on, dude!

  • Cassandra Smith

    I say people need to stay out of other folks business. Articles of this nature are used to stimulate and engage readers.

  • arieschic

    I can see that been issue and a reason to split for the better, instead of having childish arguments and getting divorcing three months later for an issue that existed before they got married. Kudos for both being mature enough to walk away like adults and not kids.

  • be real

    Yup as always… lets make it out to be something the man did wrong lol.. women can NEVER be at fault

  • Yolanda Harris

    A lot of people claim to be so religious but aren’t willing to give up pre-maritial sex. I’m not saying this is the “sacrifice” that broke them up, but it certainly is one that kills other relationships with people who are not equally yoked.

    • Chey

      Yes!

    • MrDDF

      Especially when you do it in the beginning and then cut it off after “finding God” I am sure she was giving it up until she got the ring and then wanted to “save herself for marriage”

      • either way

        OR it is entirely possible that he was aware that she was waiting until marriage and he thought that a proposal would change that. I had an ex propose to me after 8 months with the idea that an engagement would make my panties drop. After about 5 more months with no panty dropping, we broke up.

    • allykat

      Equally yoked? Wow! Do you say that with a straight face?

  • drew

    Why do we all assume that he wanted sex and she wanted to wait? I’m gonna say it’s the opposite until they confirm it.

    • Sherae

      Maybe because SHE specifically mentioned the change in her lifestyle for her faith. Faith doesn’t tell you to have premarital sex. Learn to read.

      • Xzamilio

        Did that change mean she wasn’t going to have premarital sex? Or are you just jumping to conclusions while you look for a way to make her 100% innocent?

      • kia

        She doesn’t specifically mention that she chose to follow her faith more, maybe it decreased. (I do assume that it increased though, ha ha). I assume that they were having premarital sex and she decided to discontinue that practice and wait till marriage. Then boom, problems arised.

  • Sunshinegirl

    He wanted to have s e x , and she wanted to wait until they were married. That’s all I got..

    • Mrs. King

      Exactly what I got as well.

    • Brittany Correa

      You probably got it right.

    • Machone

      Might as well test drive the car before buying it. LOL

      • king

        you need to shut up! your comments are childish and stupid!

    • sarasefree

      same thoughts here.

    • Werdsmith

      Ain’t like homegirl couldn’t get it poppin’, repent, the rinse and repeat — like the rest of the “Christians.”

      • Sunshinegirl

        I want to laugh, but I can’t, LOL!!

        • Werdsmith

          Treat yourself to a dose of that good laughter, boo. :-)

    • louvres

      Why are you assuming that? can’t it be the other way around?

      • Sunshinegirl

        Because I’m generally given the capacity to assume things when only provided with vague responses to a break-up. It could very well be that it was the other way around. Is that your assumption? See how this works?

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    • Werdsmith

      Ain’t like homegirl couldn’t get it poppin’, repent, the rinse and repeat — like the rest of the “Christians.”

  • Rhett Bogan

    Letting a religion take you away from the one is the dumbest thing…

    • hollyw

      No, realizing that someone who doesn’t fully support your spiritual, emotional, financial/professional etc. growth is not “The One” is the smartest decision a person could make in their personal lives.

      • guest

        What does religion have to do with supporting someone financially and professionally?

        • Andrea

          Don’t be slow. It has EVERYTHING to do with being on the SAME page. Those that do not share certain values, the relationship ALWAYS fails. Or they are just settling together. Who wouldn’t want their mate to support them spiritually, mentally and emotionally? With religion, ALL that is connected. IF you don’t know, take a socially class. They touch on that — but especially sharing the same values, and religion is a BIG one. People that do not like structure frown on religion, and it shows. Supporting financially? If you are GREEDY, then you may have different financial outlook. Greed… sloth…. envy, all that is part of that “religious” break down.

          • MissSweetT

            ^^This^^ Say it Andrea!
            And trust me when I say, I have seen so many people living the Seven Deadly Sins and witnessed their results…They can’t handle it in the end. First comes the divorce plus, all the havoc in between. After the divorce it take a STRONG person to bounce back and that strength doesn’t come from within alone.

        • hollyw

          It has to do with it in that is only another comparative aspect of a long-term relationship/marriage. One’s belief in a faith requires and deserves as much consideration as with anything else in their lives. Life partners need to be on the same page for a successful union…Relationships 101.
          A better question is who would go into a relationship expecting or even wanting a partner to compromise their beliefs for them..?

    • Scott Hamlin

      The one for Christians is Jesus. If our mate causes separation from that…it’s no remotely worth it.

    • TV63

      Not really. Better they find out now. Some religions can’t mix when one religion doesn’t recognize another’s holiday ANd when you have children it gets really messy. I had a cousin who married a Jewish woman. She told him that his parents were forbidden to buy their children Christmas gifts or even take them to a service. Mind you; he never renounced his faith. IF you can avoid this in the beginning; then do it.

  • bigdede

    His faith could be the kind that was just outwardly or for show while hers was real. He may not have wanted to comply with everything the bible says

    • drew

      Or, it could be the other way around.

      • bigdede

        True

      • louvres

        You know it’s NEVER the other way around! A black woman ever does anything wrong!

    • bsbfankaren

      Or it could be they were involved in two different faiths. Why doesn’t that occur to anyone?

    • capoeiraike .

      Well considering the bible condones rape, slavery, murder, genocide, bigotry etc I don’t blame him for not wanting to comply with everything the bible says. Thankfully NO ONE complies with everything the bible says because the bible says some horrible, horrible things.

      • NTP

        ** Yawn ** Are people still using these same tired arguments that take the Word out of context?

        • capoeiraike .

          **Yawn** Are people still using the “context” excuse to explain all the hitler-esque atrocities that are condoned by “the word”?

          **Yawn** Are grown adults in the 21st century still credulous enough to believe in bronze age myths and fairy tales?

          SMDH

          • NTP

            In all seriousness though,

            If you don’t believe the Bible is the truth then how we were created as people? How did we come into existence? Why don’t you believe the Bible is the truth? Is it because of what you have personally observed or because of what someone has taught you?

            • capoeiraike .

              We weren’t “created” as people, we evolved into people. Hominids (humans) are primates and part of the great African ape family. We are cousins to gorillas, bonobos, chimps etc. We evolved into what we are now over hundreds of thousands of years. The question you’re really asking or at least should be asking is why is there matter and energy or in other words why is anything in existence? No one knows the answer to this question. But using the unknown as a means to somehow claim a god is irrational. There are countless things that humanity once did not understand and thus attributed that lack of understanding to a god. These are called arguments from ignorance.

              I don’t believe the bible is truth because there isn’t a single shred of evidence to suggest any truth in it. Plus it’s simply obvious that it isn’t true if you look at it objectively and logically? There is too much immorality and brutality in it, so much so that it’s painfully obvious it was written by ancient, barbaric men. Do you really think an all loving, all knowing divine being would advocate selling a person’s daughter into sexual slavery, or burning witches(women), or genocide etc??

              • NTP

                I will just address these points and let you speak. I just wanted to understand your perspective more.

                I don’t understand where you are going with this because first you said:

                We weren’t “created” as people, we evolved into people. Hominids
                (humans) are primates and part of the great African ape family. We are
                cousins to gorillas, bonobos, chimps etc

                then you said:

                The question you’re really asking or at least should be asking is why is
                there matter and energy or in other words why is anything in existence?
                No one knows the answer to this question.

                How can you say that no one knows the answer to why there is matter and energy and yet you are so sure that we have come from primates. Have you witnessed a person transforming from a primate to a person? The truth is none of us have a true answer as to how we exist but rather it just a matter of faith that we rely on. My faith is placed on the Bible, your faith is in science and the people who write these books because unless you witnessed these things that you are repeating, you are assuming that these things are true without any actual tangible evidence or even first hand witness account. Regardless your beliefs are no different than mine, they are based on faith in something to be true or to hold a truth.

                To address your point about the Bible, the Bible is not a singular piece, it’s a combination of 66 books placed together. Each book is different. Some are written from a historical perspective, some are written as songs, some are written in figurative/analogous perspective. The immorality and brutality in the Bible isn’t condone, it’s giving you an account to the things that people did during those times. The punishment that you speak of, again has to have it’s proper context. Why are those people being punished? Are they being punished because they are innocent, or because God is a just god and that he judges all and we are all held accountable? When you take something like genocide and you don’t put the proper context around it, you don’t understand why it happened, you have a presumptuous mindset where you have determined before you have even read the account that this wrong without understanding it.

                Let me give you an example of what you are doing to the Bible. I can take a part of something you said, take it out of context and then attribute it to you as though they are your thoughts, like this:

                bible is truth

                This is a direct quote of something you said. If I take this point out then it can be interpreted completely different than what you meant it to say. That is what you are doing with the word of God. I am not making you do anything but all I am saying though, no matter what, the only way you will ever understand book like the Bible is understanding every thing that is being said and what the context is. Without it, you can misinterpret things just like someone can take what I just quoted and assume you are a Christian.

    • Rodney James

      “These people worship me with the mouths only, there hearts a far from me” from the Bible, his words, not mine.

  • Crystal

    In the bible it states “Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?” (2 Corinthians 6:14) This means that with so many different religions around, we ALL need to be careful in who we are worshiping as our higher power and most importantly in a marriage. I am sad that they are not together but if your faith is compromised, then they made the right decision. It’s important, especially in the black community, to have a strong black love in marriages in this crazy society we live in. If we simply put God first in our lives and not worry about the next person, God will definitely guide our steps, show us signs and give us the promises that we ask for.

    • Dc

      yawn.

      • Sunshinegirl

        Hilarious!! So wrong for that!!!

    • k miki

      Absolutely agree

    • Dee

      well said

    • bsbfankaren

      Is it possible they are both believers, but of different faiths? I could not marry a Jehovah’s Witness for instance. Although we would both be believers, the path they walk is different than mine.

      • Blaqgod

        Why not create your own paths if you truly love someone who believes in god but are of different denominations? That way you could learn and grow together rather than be shallow minded into believing your denomination is the right path to follow

        • Scott Hamlin

          A cult is not a “denomination”

          • Xzamilio

            Please… as someone looking from the outside in, you’re all cults. Just because you make the extra effort of special pleading doesn’t mean your “faith” is any less nonsensical than someone else’s.

          • Rodney James

            The Catholic Church is a cult and their considered a “Denomination” to their believers. Your religion is a cult as well, but you see it a a “Denomination” don’t you?

            • Scott Hamlin

              No, I simply see someone who is trying to be rude and offensive by falsely claiming something is a cult that is not.

              • Rodney James

                Really, I thought the definition of “Cult” determined that, not some judgmental, high and mighty “Wise in his own eyes” man?

                • Scott Hamlin

                  I’m not high. I’m not mighty. I only serve and seek to follow He who is. You’re accusation of “wise in his own eyes” is clearly applicable to you as well. Your tortured implementation of the “definition” of a cult does not support your assertion which is plainly intended to be offensive.

                  • Rodney James

                    Spoken like a true “Cult” leader! I serve the true GOD, follow me! Listen to me! Also, any dictionary would due in defining the word “Cult”, we don’t need your private interpretation, seriously, your not important in anyones lives accept your family. Your self importance is as feeble as your words.

                    • Scott Hamlin

                      I’m attend the “cult” of a non-denominational church you mindless bafoon. Your self evaluation of your discernment skills are impressively incompetent. Save your idiocy for the mirror doofus. A cult, in the original, real, and non-secular manipulated sense is one that essentially deviates from the reality of Christ as revealed definitively in the WORD OF GOD. Consider stopping your deviation. The Catholic church is, and has for hundreds of years been full of, and even led by cultists…but it is not, in it’s essential practice by those who are, in fact, devout…a cult. We actual followers of Christ don’t need YOUR private interpretation of being Christlike. Your self importance is an actual and real impediment.

                    • Rodney James

                      You just made my point for me Scott. Thanks.

                    • Scott Hamlin

                      There, you have it folks…a textbook demonstration of someone who represents one thing and demonstrates, in action, intent, and communication…a thorough lack of comprehension of the reality he purports to support and uphold. There no humility. No reality. No personal confess and statement of allegiance to the one true God Only a self righteous commitment to condemn those he imagines in his tiny universe do not conform to the momentary definition of his rightness. What matters to Rodney is HIS interpretation of right. What matters to Rodney is HIS interpretation of “cult”. Notice that it does not matter, at all, that he is confronted with someone committed to the critically more important glorification of the one true God. That is subservient to HIS “point” it is unimportant relative to the monumental importance of his perception and statement. All hail Rodney. I can only hope that the Galaxial entity that is Rodney will forgive me that I am compelled to submit to the actual and real God. Oh…and by the way Rodney….thank YOU for making my point

                    • Rodney James

                      Keep talking Scott, you’re digging that hole deeper and deeper.Such self righteousness, not very CHRISTIAN at all. The more you “talk” the more people see you for what you really are.Nice try though.

                    • Xzamilio

                      Oooh… “mindless bafoon[sic]”

                      That’s not very Christ-like. But it kinda is, as I’ve read the bible and Jesus ain’t the loving guy these progressive Liberal Christians like to claim he is.

                    • Rodney James

                      That IS my point Xzamilio, “we” CHRISTIANS often times than not, are hypocrites. One minute we spout how much we love you and the next were insulting you. I fully understand why you do not like religion. But please remember, it’s not religions fault, it’s mankind’s fault. If you read the Bible, you would see how bad man truly is. But there is a promise in the Bible for all of us, that “He/She who endures to the end, will be saved”. There is alway some truth in the lies that mankind spins on religion, search it out for yourself, you will not be disappointed.

                    • Xzamilio

                      Mankind is not all bad. If anything religion has created a lot of the issues in our society, but obviously not all of them. I’ve said over and over that I’ve read the bible… why is it so hard for you all to fathom the fact that someone can read that book and still not believe it’s true?

                    • Rodney James

                      Because of statements like this: That’s not very Christ-like. But it kinda is, as I’ve read the bible and Jesus ain’t the loving guy these progressive Liberal Christians like to claim he is.

                      Really, what part of the Bible did you read to come to that conclusion? I’m asking cause I’m genuinely interested in your answer.

              • Rodney James

                No, I simply see someone who is trying to be rude and offensive by falsely claiming something is a cult that is not.
                Answer: Isn’t that what you did when you said this? A cult is not a “denomination”

            • Nicole

              God did not create denominations and religion that is man made. Want unbelievers need to know that even Satan knows the Word of God and he have counterfeit preachers, people, teachers, priest, and etc all over the world. Who pretend that they are for God and Jesus and they really are not. Jesus said in His word about these fake men and women of God and warn about them. Anybody can go into a Church, Temple, Synagogue and etc. Even Satan goes to God in heaven and accuse people. You have to look at them by their fruit and not just what they say. At of these cults and fake believers take the Word of God and twist it into perversion.

          • Blaqgod

            And over 100 denominations still can’t interpret one book accurately

            • Scott Hamlin

              The failings of mankind are not the failings of God. You’re adequately demonstrating that now (not that I don’t regularly myself). No church is God. We are only those who seek when we manage to seek and sin when we sin. Your misinterpretation (whether purposeful or in ignorance) of that one book is not more an indictment on God than any of those denominations. The church–any church–is not God. The church is a body of very human humans seeking to follow God with a wide range of degrees of success.

            • Rodney James

              Have you read 100 Bibles “interpret” by these denomination? I’m just curious?

            • Wise

              What’s the rush to get married…….

        • Ray Thomas

          And if the person chooses to part respectfully…that is a choice they’ve made.

        • Nicole

          I believe in God and Jesus and I am nondenominational because man not God created denominations. Also man not God created religion. Jesus said be His disciples not be His religion. Also, religious people hated Jesus and Jesus had to correct religious people plenty of times for their wrong doings.

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      • DanFromMV

        Even people of the same denomination can have different interpretations of the bible. Different people believe different parts are literally true, parables, or just historical but no longer relevant.

        • Ray Thomas

          That is your free will to believe that…but you have no authority.

          • Rodney James

            Bravo Thomas! You are absolutely right! Free will is always the right answer, GOD didn’t make robots, he made beings with FREE WILL to choose what they want or don’t want to be a part of.

      • In The Beginning

        JW’s are whacked out.

        • Rodney James

          But your not right? After all, you would kill for your nation at a drop of a hat, am I right? Did they start the Inquisition? The Reformation? Persecute the Jews on the way to the Crusades, signed an agreement with the NAZI party giving them the spiritual right to kill Jews, JW, The lame, Roma and other gypsies? Did they tar and feather people of other beliefs, killed the Mormons. Did they have their weapons blessed fighting several wars? What did JW’s do to be called “Wacked out”?

      • Rodney James

        That makes sense to me, like a Catholic marrying a Jew…

      • JL

        There is only one faith, one word, one God. God did not create religions, man created religions. There is only one Book and one way to serve the Lord.

        • bsbfankaren

          And that book, also written by man, tells you that?

      • Nicole

        Not every religion who believes in God believes that Jesus is the Messiah and the Son of God. There is only One way to get to God and that is by Jesus John 14:6.

        • bsbfankaren

          Information gleaned from a Bible written by man that has changed repeatedly throughout the centuries. If God is benevolent and loving, why would he seek to exclude?

    • Blaqgod

      That’s what Paul said not your god. It also says a woman is supposed to be silent in the church but I still can hear ya..lol

    • Leslie Y. Hill

      Thanks Crystal…well said…a house divided CANNOT stand strong…been there !
      This young lady chose a lifestyle not a religion…there is a difference. You do the don’ts because you love GOD and you want to honor HIM with your life…believe it…God has somebody awesome for me…who she had was a counterfeit.

    • Eddy

      Numbers 31:1-4 “Under God’s direction, Moses’ army defeats the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and children captive. When Moses learns that they left some live, he angrily says: “Have you saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.”

      So this is the god you support? Intriguing.

      • Rodney James

        Actually, yes, have you read what the Midianites (Canaanites) did to deserve GOD’s death sentence on them? WOW!!! you should read it for yourself, you’ll see that they full deserved it. It’s starts when GOD shows ABRAHAM the land of his future children and tells him that the people of the land have not fully been bad, but that their on that collision course of doing worse things. GOD even sends CANAANITE prophets in among them to warn them, but they don’t listen to him. This the reason why the Canaanites knew about ISRAEL’s coming to destroy them ahead of time. Believe me, all 31 nations of the CANAANITES (except the GIBEONITES) had it coming to them.

        • Eddy

          Yes all the children deserved to die and the little virgins girls deserved to be sex slaves. You aren’t right in the head.

    • Tamara Tammy Pratt-Hall

      Are we supposed to be following this man made book?

      • Rodney James

        All scripture are inspired (God-breathed) , this means that the “men” who did the writing were taking a dictation from GOD, not writing it out of their own imagination. And yes, we should follow this book, especially the Christian part of it as it is applicable to most of us, but do not ignore the Judiac side of it, as it is a reminder of past histories man had with GOD, none of those rules apply to us, unless you are a Jew. But, you have to choose to do so, nobody should force you. GOD won’t force you, so don’t let none of mankind force you either.

      • Dan Hernandez

        Yes in my opinion. But you don’t have to if you don’t agree. It’s your choice to do so or not. Everyone is free to choose the way they want to live, to choose what they want to believe or not to believe whether they are right or wrong. The point that people mostly overlook is that everything we do will have a and result and this applies to everything in life. The problem is that when we make a choice and things don’t go well most people (not all) don’t want to take responsibility and decide to point fingers (to God) most of the time cuz it’s always easier to blame some else. As I have heard before, “the choice is yours” and everyone should respect it regardless of what they believe.

        • Tamara Tammy Pratt-Hall

          You’re absolutely right. It’s your choice! I, on the other hand, choose to follow truth rather than fiction.

          • Dan Hernandez

            And what is that truth you refer to?

          • Dan Hernandez

            What is that truth you follow?

            • Tamara Tammy Pratt-Hall

              My truth and your truth is obviously different. I abide by a moral compass.

              • Dan Hernandez

                Would you mind to share a little of your truth? I abide by moral compass as well. I just believe that the moral guidance we have did not come from man but from a being with higher intelligence than man. I can in fact tell you that the moral law where all the other moral principles we have come from is the same as God in essence. But I would love to know your point of view not to question you or insult you or to tell you how wrong you are but rather share with you my understanding of it all.

    • http://www.twitter.com/a_okafor007 Anthony C. Okafor

      there is no god though

    • Noami

      So, instead of being with someone I love, I should leave him for not submitting to MY faith and ask God for someone who does? THAT’S reasonable. -___-

  • Celinda Burns

    SATAN HAS A WAY OF DESTROYING THE COMBINATION OF TO MUCH POWER!

    • DC

      So does god.

    • Guest

      They just broke up. Grew apart. Does everything have to be the cause of the devil??

      • Rodney James

        Nope, it’s all about choices, they both made choice the other didn’t agree with, so they split. It happens, this is not SATAN’s fault at all.

    • Blaqgod

      If you blame Satan for destroying then you have no choice but to blame god for creating him.

      • Scott Hamlin

        Nah, we just need to blame people for being too amazingly clueless when it comes to understanding the realities involved in creating beings with free will.

        • Xzamilio

          Then I assume you don’t pray, as that would be asking God to violate your free will. Besides, telling someone to worship your or burn for eternity is not free will.. that is a threat.

          • Scott Hamlin

            Praying called having a relationship with God and it’s certainly not violating free will when you chose to submit your Will to the God who created you and knows far better than you what is and isn’t good for you. There is a universe of difference. Who has told you that if you don’t worship God you will burn for eternity? You are choosing it to phrase it like that, but that is not how it actually is. If I tell you the natural consequences of touching the stove when it’s hot, I’m not threatening you. Again, a tremendous difference.

            • Xzamilio

              Oh, boy. Yet another interpretation on top of interpretations. I’ve heard “burn for eternity”, “The Eternal Sleep”,”Shunning”, and everything else you Christians can think of… but it all boils down to “Worship me or suffer the consequences” which is still a threat. You can move the goalpost and call prayer a “personal relationship” but that is disingenuous and you know it.

              “Praying called having a relationship with God and it’s certainly not violating free will when you chose to submit your Will to the God who created you and knows far better than you what is and isn’t good for you.”

              1. How do you know it’s good for you?

              2. You do not want free will, from what you say.

              3. You argue blind obedience, and nothing more.

              But hey, if that works for you, go for it.

              • Debora

                It seems kinda pathetic when he puts it like that huh Scott?

                • Scott Hamlin

                  It’s only pathetic that…or more accurately tragic that he/she thinks that that is accurate.

                  • Debora

                    It’s spot on.

                    • Scott Hamlin

                      …with what you have chosen to believe. Another tragedy.

              • Scott Hamlin

                Actually it’s not disingenuous. In reality YOU are moving the goal posts. The point of prayer is to have a relationship with our creator. If that’s not what you’re doing, you’re doing it wrong. Again, it’s not a threat to explain the natural consequences of something. God designed us to have a relationship with him. Being apart from him is Hell. But you can chose if you’re foolish enough. You are chosing to exaggerate that into being a threat. If I made an ice cube and then I tell it that if it goes out into the heat it will melt..that is not a threat. It’s a warning. Again, God made you to have a relationship with Him and since he designed you for that purpose He is uniquely qualified to tell you what the consequences of rejecting Him are. In prayer I do not know what is good, I seek His will and ask him to reveal it. Prayer, studying his Word, following Christ…all put me into a position to hear better. I do not argue blind obedience–I argue VERY wide open eyes obedience. I argue increasingly aware and appreciative obedience. There is, again, all the difference in the universe between that and blind obedience. You are correct in one thing, however. I do very eagerly strive to surrender my will to Him because I know he is infinitely more aware of what is good and best for me and I have found His will to be the path in which I am most happy, fulfilled, successful, and content.

                • Xzamilio

                  Seriously? You can’t even understand your own logic. If I tell you to give me all of your money, or I will kill you, am I giving you free will? All you are doing is arguing an age old “might makes right” sentiment that basically says “He’s God… he can do what he wants.”

                  “In prayer I do not know what is good, I seek His will and ask him to reveal it.”

                  But he can’t reveal it because doing so would violate your free will to find the answer on your own. After all, whenever I ask why horrible atrocities befall good people, I get “God gives mankind free will”. So why then would he reveal anything to you as that would be him intervening? This is why religious individuals like you make my head hurt… you contradict yourselves at every turn. You believe in a god that answers prayers, that shows himself in his works everyday… And that does not fall in line with free will at all.

                  • Rodney James

                    A). Man can not give “Free will” only GOD can do that. Man can give you a choice, and that’s it.
                    B). It’s not “Might makes right” it’s “Every thing that you are came from materials he created” and now the Vase is telling it’s molder what it should be used for? If GOD decides to take away all the elements and materials that make “You”, isn’t it his right to? after all, it’s not like you can create “you”?

                    • Xzamilio

                      You’re making assertions now and at this point, you need to prove it, Prove your god exists, that it’s a he, and that it created everything. All you’re doing is preaching and I can literally take any god and replace with yours with what you said and you have no argument. Watch:

                      “A). Man can not give ‘Free will’ only Shiva can do that. Man can give you a choice, and that’s it.B). It’s not ‘Might makes right’ it’s ‘Every thing that you are came from materials he created’ and now the Vase is telling it’s molder what it should be used for? If Shiva decides to take away all the elements and materials that make ‘You’, isn’t it his right to? after all, it’s not like you can create ‘you’?”

                      You just described “might makes right” while saying it’s not “might makes right.” Thanks… you do a better job destroying your own arguments than I ever will.

                    • Rodney James

                      Before this “day”is done, you will have your proof.

                    • Xzamilio

                      And let me guess… my knees will bend and my tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. Yeah, I’ve heard this before. It’s a little insulting to my intelligence that this is the best you can do when challenged on your faith.. just more threats. And which “day” will that be? Could you be any more vague? But I see now why you do that… because when you do make actual prophecies, you’re usually wrong.

                    • Rodney James

                      There is no threat that I can make that I could or would enforce. Burn in hell? Nope, GOD. doesn’t torture people forever for crimes committed in a short lifespan. That’s barbaric, the price me & you will pay is death. That’s not so bad, is it?

                    • Xzamilio

                      So… it IS a threat. Why don’t you inform your other Christian brethren on that “death” claim as a lot of them believe that eternal punishment is going to happen to people like me.

                    • Rodney James

                      Nah, not a threat a promise, we all will have our proof, not just you! What!?! you think you special that you can command a private audience with SHIVA lol? Nope JEHOVAH (YEHOVAH, YAHWEH) will share his “proof” with all mankind. Sorry if I came of “threatening” that was not my intention, and sorry if I came of judgmental, that is not my place. Seriously though, you should believe what you want to believe, even if it’s in YAHVEH (missed that version of GOD’s name). It’s FREE WILL either way, exercise it!!!

                  • Scott Hamlin

                    Yes seriously. God is not, in fact, doing that what you’re saying. You’re exaggerating what He IS and HAS done to make it seem more absurd. You are choosing to rephase reality in a a way that’s more convenient for you to reject it. In reality God wants you to choose Him because He, in fact, designed you to have a relationship with Him. That choice is yours though. You can, and frankly are, currently choosing to make a choice that’s will ultimately result in separation from your creator. You are free to make that choice…it isn’t made for you. Even as I strive to submit my will to His that effort is al too commonly failing to do that. My free will does not go away even when I try to increasingly put myself in a position to be in line with and submit to His. Thus I’m actually not even ABLE to not have free will.

                    I realize all of this will likely be rejected and scorned by you…that doesn’t make it untrue. For now you chose restate what is taught in God’s word (reality) in a more conveniently reject-able non-reality.

                    Also God can choose to reveal his Will to someone who chooses to submit to it. That does not pose any violation to free will. I still can (and too frequently do) chose to not follow it even though I am confident of what His will is. In fact, one the greatest frustrations of a Christian is that very fact. It’s also where non-Christians are most likely to criticize Christians. We all know what God’s will on many things. It’s God’s will for me not to be angry or be gluttonous or lust and often I’m able to submit to his will, but sometimes I’m not. It is then when non-Christian will say “Aha–you’re a hypocrite!”…but that’s untrue. We know a sin is a sin and a sin is a sin because God designed us and knows what is good for us and what isn’t. My free will keeps me from successfully submitting to what I increasingly know is His perfect will for me.

                    Your argument is as weak as the argument that I should not punish my child for doing something I warn him will hurt him. I used to joke with my kids that if they crossed the street, get run over by a car and die…I’d kill them. Why do I tell my kids to look both ways and only cross the street when it’s safe? Because, of course, I love them and I don’t want them to endanger themselves. If I punish my kids when I see they don’t do it so that they will take that warning more seriously I am not being cruel, I’m being loving. We all know this. This is the same thing God does with us only on an ultimate scale. In the parent/child example is similar to me warning my kids to not to so something that will 100% certainly kill them. What you’re saying is that if God creates a perfect island for us and makes us perfectly suited for that island but creates a bottomless pit in the middle of it…you’re arguing that He shouldn’t warn us about that hole and tell us to otherwise how to enjoy the island He created. The creator of all you know and perceive created you to have a relationship with Him. He is unfathomably bigger and more powerful than you and yet He created you and wants to have a relationship with you. He knows that relationship is the best possible thing you will ever possibly know…there is no close second. I realize you will most likely reject that. However that is nevertheless, the fundamental truth.

                    • Guest

                      Is God all-knowing?

                    • Xzamilio

                      Is God all-knowing, all-powerful, and all-loving? And yes, I do reject your assertions, but not for the sake of rejecting them… it’s because you have no evidence for them. So you can try to paint a picture that I’m just being finicky, but you don’t get to make such bold and broad claims and then escape justifying them. Where is your evidence?

                      “Your argument is as weak as the argument that I should not punish my child for doing something I warn him will hurt him.”

                      Unless you would punish your child for eternity, your “parent” argument is flawed. Unless you tell your child “Do as I say or I will destroy you”, your argument is flawed. You may joke with your kids that if they got hit by a car and died, you’d kill them, but is your god joking when he says he will send nonbelievers to Hell to suffer for eternity?

                      “What you’re saying is that if God creates a perfect island for us and makes us perfectly suited for that island but creates a bottomless pit in the middle of it…you’re arguing that He shouldn’t warn us about that hole and tell us to otherwise how to enjoy the island He created. ”

                      You just destroyed your own argument. If there is a bottomless pit in the middle of the island, it clearly is not perfect. Furthermore, why would God put it there? Why would her purposely put something that can kill you on this island? Kind of like with the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, isn’t it? After all, if it was so crucial they not eat from it, why not move it to a place they could not reach it? Why put it there in the first place. I’m arguing that your god is clearly a sadist that purposely sets mankind up to fail and then punishes them because of his own ineptitude.

                    • Master255

                      Sadly you don’t see the idea of free will. If you take that tree and put it some place else then why bother with free will at all? To have a valley you to have mountains rights? God understands the nature of opposites and for you to say his world isn’t perfect is rediculous. Obviously the pit is there for a purpose you and I have no idea about. You can choose whether to jump in the pit or listen to his warnings not to. To take away the tree of knowledge good and evil is take away your right to choose to love and obey him. He created the plants for natures purpose but of course we as human beings have the choice of mis-using them for our own purposes rather than seeing them as a balance in nature. As for setting us up to fail if you didn’t have the right to choose to love him you would call him a tyrant even though he owns us as his own anyway along with this world. He has the right to take it back if he so chooses. If you don’t care for that notion then you have the right to believe something else. Thats the nature of free will. He loves us enough to not force us to choose him but gives us the choice to do so on our own in the allotted time you have on this earth. By the way he has warned us about the pitfalls we have in life. We choose to ignore them at our own peril. He gave instructions for Adam and Eve to live forever in the garden and one simple rule not to eat of the tree of knowledge good and evil. That was their ticket to eternity. It was Adam who was the one in charge who failed to adhere to that one demand placed on him and Eve. God loves us but making us love him is not love. That would be tyranical and truly sadistic. Humans can be given a good thing and almost always screw it up because of greed and pure selfishness. Thats our choice and right. Yes the bible says if we choose not to believe then eventually we’ll die in our sins and be sent to hell. Seems like that should be enough to push anyone to believe in him but as you can see nowadays and before that kind of motivation doesn’t push everyone. As a believer I do believe this. If you don’t thats up to you. I know this though. The Christian faith was not made to make man feel good. It was meant to please God. For that matter any religion that chooses to have a God of some kind is not meant for the pleasure of man but the pleasure of it’s deity. Even Wiccan has that thought in mind when it comes to nature. People think these beliefs are meant to make them feel good and only them. Last time I checked the purpose of Christ’s life was to please his Father in heaven and teach us how as well. That, as Christians, are what we are meant today. whether you take this and understand where I’m coming from or find something else to get mad about is up to you. Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react to it (Charles Swindol). The word of God (Christianity) is based on building attitudes and looking at the truth why some things arent good for us. Take for instance the sin of fornication or sex outside of marriage. Our society today thinks it’s alright and doesn’t hurt anything. Of course we always fail to see the psycholgical consequences as well as the detractions from the intimacy of married couples because of prior engagement in sexual relations before (and some times during) marriage. We accept it because everyone else is doing it. Look at the failure of so many homes because of single parenting and married couples who split because of trivial reasons simply because there is no growing or learned intimacy. Everything has a role and every action has a consequence regardless of the stupid reply “Well I’m not hurting anybody”. Everything we do effects someone else whether you believe so or not. Thats my faith and regardless of whether I agree with everything I understand that If I choose to believe (which consequently means do unlike today where people like to “believe” they are Chrisians but live however they please) then I need to follow Christ’s example to work to please his Father in heaven. Of course I have will have to sacrifice but last time I checked very little worth doing comes with an easy price. As long as I continue to work at it and yes I will fail many times but thanks to God giving us second chances through redemption thanks to Jesus Christ I’ll make to heaven. God Bless

                    • Xzamilio

                      I’m not reading that novel. Take care.

                    • Rodney James

                      Long winded speach won’t make a difference. You are undone.Spouting love one second, then hate the next second. Now everybody recognizes who you are/serve, you prideful “Angel”….

                    • Scott Hamlin

                      Everyone is not merely you. You evidently lack the gift of discernment.

                    • Rodney James

                      And you evidently lack the gift of “Humility, it’s CHRISTIANS like you that sully the “word of GOD” and turn people off. Nobody wants to listen to a self righteous man with a chip on his shoulder. Very unloving, very un CHRISTIAN…

                    • Scott Hamlin

                      You are impressively unaware of the fact that you should be saying that while standing in front of a mirror.

                    • Rodney James

                      The old “I’m made of rubber, what ever you say, bounces off of me and sticks on you” answer. Didn’t see that coming lol! Can you really be this “unaware” of how childish you sound? or so insincere that you put your pride over the bad PR you are giving to GOD’s word?

                    • Scott Hamlin

                      What I understand is what you are demonstrating in your actions. For example, the surest way to be ineffective in calling someone to be humble is to be presumptuous enough to admonish someone to be humble while not demonstrating the slightest shred of humility yourself. You seem to know some of the words, but you show now demonstration of understanding or being guided by the Spirit. You are the very embodiment of Matthew 7:3. I can readily and even eagerly confess that I am rarely, if ever, humble enough. I can readily confess I am rarely, if ever, Christlike enough. But I no longer matter. Only Christ matters. And what matters for us as His followers is how effectively we manage to submit to Him and get into the habit of being his disciples. Therefore I’m more than happy for you to call me whatever name you want. I will go forth praying that the truth will set you free and I know part of that prayer involves praying you come to be able to recognize it.

                    • Big Tim

                      Scott if this guy doesn’t accept your witness it is on him, you have done your part. He wants to be hardheaded according to the Bible he will regret it in the end. All you can do is pray for the guy that he gives his life to Jesus before he dies.

                    • Scott Hamlin

                      Thanks for the reminder Tim. I had that “Duh” moment earlier (when it occurred to me to pray for him and, of course, myself — with regard to the true and actual requirement for me to be humble — not merely as a word but in deed).

                    • Xzamilio

                      Pray for ME? Jeez, Christians are so arrogant.

                    • Scott Hamlin

                      I, for one, wasn’t talking about you. What was that about arrogance? Why would it matter to you? You believe what we pray to doesn’t exist.

                    • Xzamilio

                      1. I apologize for making the assumption you were talking about me.

                      2. I hold no belief that your god does not exist. I don’t believe your god exists. You know the difference? One is a belief and the other is a LACK of belief.

                      3. You can stop with the Free Will argument because you clearly do not believe in it and the bible explicitly promotes a god that interferes constantly.

                    • Scott Hamlin

                      1. No problem
                      2. I do understand the difference, but my question is still valid. Why would you care if I pray to a God you don’t believe exists regardless of what the prayer is about?
                      3. I will stop the free will argument…but mainly because there is no argument going on. There is your points which I believe are invalid and there is my points that you believe are invalid. But the previous point exists. If you, in the first place, don’t believe God exists, why would you even care to attempt to argue the point? You’re “lack of belief” presupposes that the basis for any point I make regarding God is invalid. You reject the foundation, so you feel free to frame the rest of the argument on your terms — rather than in the terms that are actually and really laid out in the Bible. If you don’t believe in God. Why are you even bothering to argue in the first place? Do you have some sort of pathologic need to correct people you think are wrong? Are you a sociopath or something? Why is it worth even a moment of your time?

                    • Xzamilio

                      “Why would you care if I pray to a God you don’t believe exists regardless of what the prayer is about?”

                      Personally, I don’t care what you pray to or what you believe, but when you put those beliefs on an open forum, you forfeit all rights to privacy and I have every right to challenge them. And by the way, if I was a sociopath, I wouldn’t have apologized. Kindly take the ad hominems down a notch. If you don’t want to defend your beliefs, then don’t reply to me. But don’t expect some immunity from scrutiny.

                    • Scott Hamlin

                      Touchy much? You’re quite correct…if you were a sociopath you would not have apologized and thus..the question is clearly rhetorical. But here’s the thing..that same criteria applies to you. What does it matter to you what we believe in? I don’t expect immunity from scrutiny, I welcome it. I know you reject the arguments, I also know there are those who read this who do not. Those are are encouraged when a believer defends his beliefs in the face of scrutiny and actual sociopathic behavior (again, not you). So I have a clear motivation to engage in a discussion like this…but why do you? What does it matter to you? Why are you wasting your time with people you believe are self-deluded?

                    • Xzamilio

                      Touchy? Yeah, what the hell was I thinking taking issue with being accused of being a sociopath? You see that your “others agree with me” point is irrelevant to me as I have people who clearly agree with me, too. You know my motivation? I’ve seen far too many families destroyed by gods they can’t even prove exist… wars, death, and people committing suicide because of being shunned by religious people. I don’t do this for you or people like you because you are deep into your beliefs. I do this because if others come here that are questioning their beliefs and they see this thread, they can read for themselves how BAD you all are at justifying your irrational faith. And furthermore, I never said anyone was self-deluded… you’re putting words in my mouth.

                    • Scott Hamlin

                      Fair enough. I was not accusing you of being a sociopath. I was asking you if you were…as part of a string of other questions/possibilities by the way — all of which were exaggerated and absurd to essentially make the point of asking saying, it’s not these silly reasons…so what is the reasonable reason?

                      …which you have now fairly and reasonably given.

                      However, I don’t see that I said “other’s agree with me” so there’s some irony in you claiming I put words in your mouth when you feel free to put words in mine. What I’m seeing is a lot of people “liking” what you and I have both said. So we both have people who believe as we, respectively, do. You believe I am bad at “justifying” my “irrational faith”. I believe you couldn’t be more foolish in denying what I believe is the undeniable God.

                      You say you have seen families destroyed by gods they can’t prove exist. I, on the other hand, have seen family’s withstand death, murder, outrageous cruelty, and probably the majority of the hardships you can list via the grace and love of their God. As for me, if my God isn’t real, there is nothing you can present…and I’ve looked…that is a close second to even the mere fantasy of a God that is like my God.

                      So..thank you for answering my question. I understand your perspective. While I can’t say that I respect it…I can honestly and truthfully say that I respect you.

                    • Xzamilio

                      ” I know you reject the arguments, I also know there are those who read this who do not.”

                      Yeah, that’s saying “others agree with me”, and given that I have read a few of these comments, you know good and well that “others agree with you” which is why you said that. But ultimately your words demonstrate the issue with a god that cannot be proven or disproved; it is useless to ponder. I can’t distinguish your god from any other god that cannot be falsified. I also understand your perspective because it used to be mine… and I am glad I no longer rely on such shoddy criteria that wouldn’t even hold up in a court of law

                    • Scott Hamlin

                      That’s right…plainly and clearly. I never imagined otherwise. I suppose *I* would be the sociopath if I expected everyone to agree with me (In fact I suspect we both encountered an actual or at least probable sociopath on this thread–who argued against us both). In any case, I expect that many will agree with you. I would be a fool not to expect that. I can even identify with believing as you do. It would be an obvious absurdity to act as if and not confess to the fact that I am all too frequently wrong about things. Therefor I act and communicate presuming your assumption that I am an idiot. If that is all that comes of this discussion…that’s fine with me because, again, even if I serve a mere fabrication of a God like my God…that fantasy is far and away better than any you can offer in its place.

                    • Xzamilio

                      Did I offer you anything? I’m not trying to sell you something different; I’m just not buying what you’re selling… because you sell it badly. But if supernatural nonsense is what gets you through the day, then have at it. But I have little respect for grown men who have imaginary friends.

                    • Scott Hamlin

                      I was never selling. It’s hard to sell an apple to someone who has convinced himself that the apple is a lemon. I have no need for your respect. I have the love of the one true God who’s existence is fundamental and clear reality.

                    • Xzamilio

                      Apparently we have different definitions of “clear reality”… and yours isn’t in any dictionary or in any reality. I’m not convinced the apple is anything other than in your imagination… I don’t see any apple lol

                      And you were selling… you still are. And now you’re reduced to trying to get the last word because your ego is bruised. Well, you can have it… I’ll consider this my charity for the day.

                    • John Williams

                      Xzamilio,I feel your pain! Serious ignorance is a hard nut to crack.Reason and logic are ignored when”faith” is floating about.Hang in there.Hotep.

                    • Scott Hamlin

                      As a follow up–if you actually follow and read the words and actions of Christ, it turns out that correcting those who claim to serve and follow God is a VERY Christian thing to do. Your first comment to me, as I recall, was a claim that the Roman Catholic church was a cult and it included the implication that other denominations are cults. How is that humble? You indicted millions of believers with that gross and false statement. The church is made up of followers of Christ at various levels of commitment (including none). If you were to say that the Roman Catholic church has had members and even leaders who haven’t followed Christ and, in fact, have actively lead people away from Christ…then there would be truth. But those in the church at large and the larger body of believers are not bent to that end or goal. Whereas cults like Mormanism and Jehovah’s Witnesses overtly and purposefully distort God’s word and add their own to it.

                      At no point in your comments to me or those that I’ve read that you’ve made to others have YOU shown an iota of humility yourself. You in actively and aggressively engage in the VERY things you accuse me and others of. Get that forest of logs out of your eyes. That is a very loving thing to say to you because your most prominent and apparent characteristic is to attack others using the very things that indict yourself. That is, in fact, very and precisely unChristlike.

                    • Rodney James

                      Sad, you are a sad little man sir. The more you “type” the more other people see it too. Digging that hole deeper and deeper.

                    • Arenato E. Chua

                      i hope you don’t call God for help if you are suffering…

                    • Xzamilio

                      Of course he does.. but that’s when free will is conveniently turned off and God can intervene

                  • Ray Thomas

                    It’s a choice…God doesn’t make you believe. You have your choice not to believe. But you shouldn’t try to ridicule someone who does…

                    • Xzamilio

                      Why not? Why does this nonsense deserve respect when it has divided so many families and turned so many people against each other, all in the name of “faith”? Not only will I ridicule it, I’ll challenge it because it deserves to be challenged. If all people did was keep their beliefs personal, it wouldn’t matter to me, but all too often, there’s a story of a child dying from faith healing, a gay kid being kicked on the street because of their religious parents, African kids with disorders being murdered and “exorcised” to get the ‘demons’ out of them. This stuff is harmful, plain and simple.

                    • Xzamilio

                      Do you choose not to believe in Zeus? Ganesha? Thor? Anansi? Shiva? Buddha? Dionysus? Mithra? Krishna? Fatima? Allah? The various interpretations of the Christian god? Odin? Ra? Or is it that you only believe your god exists and don’t believe the others do? Not because you actively choose to but because you don’t see any evidence for them

                      I can ridicule all I want. I see a religion that has once again served it’s purpose and used divisive teachings to end yet another relationship. I’ve seen too many people’s lives ruined by this stuff. LGBT kids kicked out on the streets and shunned, babies and adults dying because of faith healing, and countless wars and death all in the name of religion and someone’s interpretation of their holy scriptures. Miss me with this.

                    • Guest

                      If everyone followed God’s laws and commandments as it is written (not by their own interpretation) then there wouldn’t be any of that. There are countless wars and death in the name of religion because 99% of the religion on earth is man’s religion. All religions (Islam, Catholicism, Judaism etc.) derived from the Bible but man added little twists here and there to it to create their own doctrine. It is not God’s fault that the world is in the condition it is in, it is man’s fault. Man wants to live life the way they see fit (as yourself) and unfortunately, if they’re not following the true laws and statutes, what everyone sees fit is different. Some people see killing as being free, some people like to steal. But just because one sees this as being free, does that make it right? NO! There are still laws to follow! Even in each land, there are rules to follow. If you exceed the speeding limit, you get a speeding ticket. If you drive without a license, there are repercussions for that as well. So explain to me what exactly is your definition of “free”. For you to argue that we can’t be “free” if we follow God’s laws is ridiculous. God’s laws were put in place so we could live freely. As it was stated in Revelation 12:9, Satan has deceived the WHOLE world, including yourself and mine. But don’ think the Lord doesn’t see whats going on. Does He have the ability to stop it? Of course He does. But God has made us all free agents. He gave us the ability to make our own choices. As you can see since the beginning of time, man has always had a problem following laws/instructions. Everything God created was done so for a reason. You have to study the Bible line upon line, precept upon precept. Go here a little and there a little in order to obtain true understanding of the Word. The tree of knowledge of good and evil is actually Satan. The war between that went on in heaven which caused Satan and his angels to be cast down onto earth happened long before man was even created. The Lord was telling Adam not to speak to Satan. (If you would like, I could provide you with a lesson on this) Its not an actual tree that we were told of in Sunday School and Adam and Eve ate the apple. No where in the Bible does it say Adam and Eve ate an apple off the tree. Everything the Lord has called to past has come into fruition (with the exception of the end time prophecy which is currently being fulfilled at this very moment). God has called the end from beginning. There is nothing new going on under the sun. All of your questions have answers. If you would like answers to those questions, please let me know.

                      1 Corinthians 14:33 – For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace…

                    • Xzamilio

                      TL;DR

                    • JL

                      The evidence is all around you. Your non belief is the reason you can’t see it…

                    • Xzamilio

                      You know who else says that? Jews, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Muslims, Hindus, Zoroastrians, Scientologists, etc. The evidence is always “all around you” according to the brand of faith to which you are subscribed. Try again.

                    • Rodney James

                      What he means is; examine the simplest form of life that is around you. Try the air you breath for instance: By volume, dry air contains 78.09% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen,[1] 0.93%argon, 0.039% carbon dioxide, Krypton and small amounts of other gases. Any of these gasses on their own would kill all life on Earth. Who combined them so accurately, so carefully for us all to breath? Have you ever wondered?

                    • Xzamilio

                      ” Who combined them so accurately, so carefully for us all to breath? Have you ever wondered?”

                      Why a who? What evidence do you have to even go to a “who”? This is a textbook argument from ignorance and this is all you’ll get from me on that in regard to that nonsense

                    • JL

                      Of course you’re not going to read it because you are so afraid that you might actually end up believing it…

                    • Xzamilio

                      If you simply believe things you read on the internet, you got some serious problems. If you believe anything you read PERIOD without verifying it, you have problems. So no, I won’t end up believing it because when it comes to supernatural claims, you’re gonna need a helluva lot more than written word. You need evidence… ACTUAL evidence, not “look at the birds and the trees” crap.

                    • Big Tim

                      Actual evidence is around you, nature, animals, sky, water,trees, all created by God.

                    • Xzamilio

                      I swear to your god if you people would just read the other comments, you could save us both trouble and stop replying with the same crap I already dismissed. “Look at the birds and the trees” is such a crap argument… it’s not evidence of any god unless you can prove said god exists and then if that god is responsible for the universe.

                    • Nicole

                      I agreed until you said that Satan was the tree of knowledge of good and evil because that is not in the Bible ( Genesis 2:16-17) Satan came to Adam and Eve as a serpent not a tree. And yes Adam and Eve ate off the tree (Genesis 3) but you are right that it is was not an apple because in Genesis, God never said what type of fruit was on the tree.

                    • Pka

                      Genesis does not say Satan came to Adam and Eve as a serpent, it says a cunning serpent came to Adam and Eve. A different author of other books in the Bible like Revelations, changed the story to make the serpent be Satan. There is no indication that the author of Genesis had anything in mind other than a serpent.

                    • Xzamilio

                      Thank you for that, Pka. Satan is only mentioned once in the Old Testament and that is in Job when he and God made the wager on Job’s loyalty (A very immoral story overall)

                    • sina

                      It’s really up to you to decide. It’s only interesting that decisions come with responsibilities and results. The choice is yours.

                    • Xzamilio

                      I choose to live in an objective reality where when evidence is presented for something, that is when it is to be believed. I choose to live as moral a life as possible helping my fellow man, everything I did before when I was a Christian but now that I am an atheist, I still do because it is the right thing to do, not because I want some reward when I die.

                    • Dan Hernandez

                      Your comments are sort interesting. I would ask you a few questions if I may. How do you know what’s right and wrong for you to do or not to do? Where do you think the knowledge of god and bad came from?

                    • Xzamilio

                      Good and bad are arbitrary. As you will see, our models for good and bad vary from culture to culture. I get my morals from my upbringing, my experiences and from basic empathy. I don’t want to be hurt so I don’t hurt others. I don’t want my things stolen so I don’t steal others’ things. It’s basic human decency and helping your fellow man without a reward for being a good person. I’m not going to get into the subjective notion of morality as that would take all day, but our morality as a collective species has evolved over time, INCLUDING that of religious people. That is why you don’t see people burning women at the stake in America, or putting homosexuals to death, or waging war on those that do not believe. We realize that many of the things done in the past were wrong because they hurt and harmed others and for no justifiable reason. Slavery much?

                    • Dan Hernandez

                      So to my point, you and I are not so different. I agree with most of what you said above. Our difference is just when we touch the topic of God. Only that my understanding is the that moral instinct comes from God. The moral Law comes from God. There’s however one thing; the problem with the way that morality has evolved as you describe it has also made man believe that certain things that were wrong before are now right and that’s not true. We have made the terms tolerance and acceptance to be acknowledge as “it ‘s correct for them to do so” and what I mean is that we must accept everyone, we must tolerate they’re actions but not say that what they are doing is correct. Do I agree with stoning people to death? NO. Does God? No. Read JOhn 8. Have you ever read 2 Peter 3:9. God doesn’t want anyone to suffer or die but he can’t and won’t stop us from doing or believing what we want for that will be violation of the free will (fredom of choice) he gave us and it’s those choices that lead us to where we are or be.

                    • Rodney James

                      Actually “Allah” is Arabic for “The God” it’s the same of “Elohim” or in english “GOD” it’s not a name, but it’s what he is. It’s like calling you “Human” instead of your name. Try JEHOVAH, most Christians use that one or YAHVEH, JAHVEH, YEHOVAH and/or YAHWEH. Just a suggestion.

                    • John B.

                      strangely enough, god knows everything that ever was or will be, right? so how the f you have free will? god’s will be done, so you was doomed before you was created, and god knew that… and it wouldn’t matter if you prayed, that would change god will if he did anything that wasn’t already going to happen. you people are dumb.

                    • kevin

                      Jesus for the world. Amen

                  • sina

                    @ Xzamilio. Your head hurts because you are trying too hard to reduce your Creator to logic. The machines we create do not have the capacity to reduce us to their capacities. Our capacities will always be higher – that’s while only the designer understands how to repair the designed. Your creation should submit to your intelligence. In any case, I wonder why we want free will without responsibilities?

                    • Xzamilio

                      “Your head hurts because you are trying too hard to reduce your Creator to logic”

                      LMAO!! DEAD!! That is such a sad thing to say because you are oblivious to what it implies. So I shouldn’t look at God logically?

                      “Your creation should submit to your intelligence. In any case, I wonder why we want free will without responsibilities?”

                      No, that’d be your ilk that dodges responsibility. As it is, I believe we are all accountable to each other as humans and our actions should be held accountable. I don’t believe in some immoral system that allows individuals to harm each other and then go to some middle imaginary in the middle and ask forgiveness, instead of righting the wrong. But to take a page out of your book of illogical thought, why would my creation necessarily have to submit to my intelligence? Why would I need to lord over it and expect it to worship me?

                    • Iwish YouWould

                      lol @Xzamilio dude, if you don’t believe thats you… Everybody stop trying to explain the concept to someone who doesn’t get it. It’s like explaining trigonometry to a first grader. lol If he is interested in God he will research the Truth on his own.

                    • JL

                      Very true…. Isaiah 29:11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.

                    • Xzamilio

                      More like a first grader trying to explain trigonometry. I get the concept just fine… it’s just a bad concept, and one I used to believe but then I reached the age…of REASON.

                  • Nicole

                    If someone asked you a question would you not give them the answer to their question? If someone ask you for help would you not help them?

                    • Xzamilio

                      I’m sure that means something in your head, but I’m not following this thread that closely so I don’t know what comment of mine you’re replying to.

                  • Hotbite

                    Apparently you’ve heard it phrased a bunch of ways, some of which may seem threatening. So let me phrase it another way…God is a God of love. He loves you so much that he sent his son to die on the cross for you. Yes, his one and only son…nailed to a cross for you. Now you have the free will to accept Jesus Christ and enjoy an eternity in Heaven. If God forced you to make that choice (“Might makes it right”) then that wouldn’t be free will. So you can decide for yourself.

                    • Xzamilio

                      I have news for you: You didn’t phrase it another way. Phrase it with evidence, next time,

                    • Hotbite

                      Exactly what sort of evidence are you looking for, X? Evidence of what?

                    • Xzamilio

                      Evidence that your god exists… actual evidence. The bible is not evidence of anything but the bible. Written text is not and cannot be evidence for supernatural claims claims, otherwise I could easily state the Bhagavad Gita is true and proof of Hinduism. Prove Heaven, prove a sacrifice happen with historical evidence and that this murdered man rose from the dead. By the way, Josephus is not evidence as he is not a contemporary and lived way after Jesus reportedly died, making his words hearsay. Neither is Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, or Suetonius. So let’s see it.

                    • Hotbite

                      Thanks for clarifying, X, as I didn’t understand how your initial response to my post had anything to do with my comment on God’s love. Let’s face facts…I can no more prove God’s existence than you can prove his non-existence. That wasn’t the point I was addressing with you. You had earlier claimed that God is essentially forcing you to accept Him by the threat of eternal damnation. I was merely posing it in the opposite…He is not threatening you with eternal damnation, He is offering you eternal life. And you’ve made your choice.

                      By the way, can I actually offer you a little advice for future debates with Christians…to state that Josephus “lived way after Jesus reportedly died” is an exaggeration. If you want to be credible, don’t exaggerate the facts. Check his date of birth.

                    • Xzamilio

                      I know he was BORN a few years after Jesus’s supposed death…the Antiquities was written a way after.. making it hearsay. So if you want to split hairs, be my guest, but his lifetime was still after his “death” and his life WAY after. He didn’t see Jesus, and made no reference to him being the Messiah, as that was a mid-century interpolation (even Christian scholars concede that fact as a Pharisee Jew would never say that).

                      ” Let’s face facts…I can no more prove God’s existence than you can prove his non-existence.”

                      Well, that’s sad, because only one of us is trying to prove something and that’s you… because only one of us is making a claim, and that’s you. It’s not on me to prove or disprove what you can’t prove. So… something that cannot be proven or unproven is as useful as the tooth fairy or any other god that skates beyond the realm of falsifiable. I’m not claiming your god doesn’t exist or even trying to prove it; I don’t have to. You make the claim, you validate it.

                      “He is not threatening you with eternal damnation, He is offering you eternal life. And you’ve made your choice.”

                      Worshiping him or suffering the consequences he sets is as much an offer as “Give me your money or I’ll kill you” is an “offer”.

                    • Hotbite

                      X, once again…I wish you would read my posts a little more closely. I am in no way trying to prove the existence of God, even though you claim that I am “trying to prove something”. Huh? I already clarified but apparently you didn’t get it. You have had the gospel shared with you in a negative way so I merely stated it in a positive manner. That’s it. God does not need me to prove His existence. Quite honestly, we’ll both find out one day and that is a day that I look forward to! Sorry you took offense to my calling out your exaggeration. I would say 60 years is not “way after” Jesus death. You think it is. I suppose it’s relative.

                    • Xzamilio

                      The way the gospel is shared is irrelevant; it’s not evidence of anything. The bible is proof of the bible…nothing more.There is no historical evidence supporting the Gospels account of Jesus, or Jesus existing… none. A man named Jesus likely did exist, but you got a ways to tying that Jesus to the bible Jesus.

                      “That’s it. God does not need me to prove His existence. Quite honestly, we’ll both find out one day and that is a day that I look forward to!”

                      He needs you to prove it to me and the others who don’t believe in your god and/or worship another god. You initially replied to me with a bunch of assertions about your god which I don’t care about because the being you call “God” has yet to be demonstrated to exist. But isn’t it convenient that you can skate with the “we’ll find out when we die” comment? That’s original lol. And you didn’t offend me.. settle down. If you’re not trying to prove your god exists to me, then please stop responding to me because I am in no mood to entertain semantics.

                    • airtech1

                      You might want to step out of the tunnel-visioned presumption of 21st century cultural and identity politics (masquerading as some kind of “objective” and serious intellection) and understand, at least a little, the context and function of Near Eastern historiography in the1st and 2nd centuries: how eyewitness testimonials worked (much like how credibility via editorial works today), what constituted legends and legend making, reasonable claim and fact, etc. There are a slew of serious academics (historians, philosophers, theologians and scientists) you could consult but what am I even saying — that’s not the point of the Internet and posting. Ping pong ranting is more fun!

                    • Xzamilio

                      I managed to read through that word salad of pseudo-intellect and noticed you didn’t cite one source or reference any of those “historians, philosophers, theologians, and scientists”… which I would find rather irrelevant anyway unless they were also CONTEMPORARIES and/or had supporting evidence.

                • Silent_Musick

                  Scott, dude U got it down Bro you’re spitting real talk,in reality you can’t really explain the real to people that refuse to listen if it’s not time 4 them yet or until God reveals it to them,I guess when they die and have to stand B4 God then they’ll know if God is real or not then they can take it up with Him,but of course,then it will be 2 late 4 them.People don’t believe in God because they don’t want to face the consequences 4 their own actions.Honestly think about it?What’s so wrong with believing in God anyway?Other than people wanting to do what they want to do,when they want to do it,without consequences or having to answer to anyone.But everyone has to answer to the most (High)whether they want to or not-so just die and see what happens after that

                  • Scott Hamlin

                    …the truth in love, bro…the truth in love. It never hurts to take a moment for that. The seed of truth grows where He creates fertile ground…and some seeds can take years to sprout.

                    • Jessica2248

                      I always thought that non-believers who constantly berate believers as to why they believe were either just bad people looking for an argument, or they are actually searching for something to believe in. Anyone who tries to treat God as if he was just a mere human, has it wrong from the jump.

                  • bathala

                    I’ve tried to believe but my reasoning won’t

                  • Jessica2248

                    you will never be able to explain things of the Spirit to carnal minds. i wouldn’t even try.

                    • Debora

                      You mean you will never be able to explain things “of the spirit” to intelligent minds. Don’t bother trying without evidence.

                    • Xzamilio

                      But simple minds grasp on to illogical concepts much easier, I see.

                • adams1456

                  very good comment

                • Arenato E. Chua

                  amen.

              • Rodney James

                1). Past experience
                2). Wrong! Free will and choosing to submit to GOD’s standards of “Right & Wrong” is not mutually exclusive, it’s not one or the other. You can have them both.
                3). Who blindly follows someone these days? That’s were have a relationship with GOD comes in. You get to know him very well,he gets to know you very well, than comes the obedience (eyes wide open).

              • Ray Thomas

                We have the free will to choose.

                • Xzamilio

                  I’m going about this the wrong way. Define “Free Will” before you go asserting we have it

                  • Dan Hernandez

                    Free will in simple terms is freedom of choice. Which means you can choose to do or believe what you want. The most important fact that people for some reason don’t see is that every choice you make has a consequence or result. So we simply have 2 choices and we are free to choose which ever one we want. We can do the things that are right and the result is eternal life or we can do the bad things and the result will be dead. God does not force you to either one. That is your choice but it is my responsibility to respect what other people think regardless of what that is whether right or wrong. Although I don’t agree with your opinion, I respect it and also understand your position but that is not God’s fault. It is man’s. It’s because of man that we have lost hope. Because of our own actions. Because of people called man of God doing all types of devilish things but again that’s not Gods fault.

                    • Xzamilio

                      No.. I didn’t ask you. I asked him. It’s important that I get answers from the people I respond to as he might say something different from you.

                      But I’m not going to address your assertion until you can define what “God” is… his characteristics, his features, his mannerisms, his being. I don’t believe your god exists so your assertions are irrelevant to me. What is God? Define and prove it.

                    • Dan Hernandez

                      I understand but I’m sure you do realized that it doesn’t matter where the answer comes from and by this, you’re basically questioning his knowledge rather than trying to get an answer. In either case I hope my answer helps.

                    • Xzamilio

                      It doesn’t, and neither does your dodging my challenge. And yeah, I am questioning his knowledge… why wouldn’t I? Why wouldn’t you question things that have no presentable evidence? Why is it that with the ultimate knowledge it’s fallacies and faith that are acceptable, but for other aspects of your everyday life you would never accept such shoddy reasoning. If I told you you had 50,000 dollars in your account, wouldn’t you verify that? Wouldn’t you want evidence?

                    • Dan Hernandez

                      I’m going to put a long list hoping you would take the time to read it. First I wrote that wrong. It is ok to question the faith of any one.I meant to say you were questioning his intelligence. In the other hand, would you really accept it if the evidence was shown to you? Cuz based on what I know, some (not all) people will not believe even if they see someone rising from the dead. I’ll start with simple things. If you take a look closely to the bible it will be hard to reject that all the things that have happened are false or coincidence as there’s no such thing. We have the history side that confirms all the events. Only a being with enough power could play with history. I will assume that in school you heard of the kingdoms of the earth, such as Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome. Well that was written before it happened. Coincidence? No. What about the exact dates and certain other prophecies such as the liberation of Israel in 457 B.C. The coming of the Messiah on the exact date he was supposed to show, then his death. Then the persecution and the destruction of Jerusalem. Then the times of darkness and the killings during the reign of the beast, the fall of the Roman Empire, The fall of the Beast, the restoring of the kingdom of the beast. The calling for unity and peace by a religious and political power, the call for Sunday as the day of rest, the changes in morality and I could go on. How can all of this be coincidence? There’s now way man can have this kind of control specially since the people whom wrote the Bible wrote it in different time and ages. Only a being with supernatural abilities will be able to do that. The evidence is more than enough and clear, some people just reject it. But “19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse” Roman 1:19-20.

                      People question God because they can’t see him. We don’t see the communication between 2 cellphones yet the other person hears us in the other end. How can you know if he’s real or not if you don’t give him an opportunity? Things don’t have to be in your terms. When you were a child, you father didn’t give everything you wanted when you wanted. That doesn’t mean he didn’t exist. There’s so much more but again people don’t believe because of lack of evidence. They don’t believe because they choose to.

                    • Xzamilio

                      No you don’t. The fact of the matter is, only scarce parts of the bible have been confirmed to be true, and that’s geographical locations and certain characters, none of which prove any of the stories attributed to them happened; that’d be like saying the Illiads of Homer talk about Greece, therefore the Greek gods exist. You’re preaching and I’m not interested in sermons. And if you’re referring to Israel becoming a nation based on some vague prophecy in Isaiah, this was a self-fulfilling prophecy that the Jews were well aware of, which is why they began migrating back there beginning in 1881, causing civil unrest, forcing the UN to get involved. They wanted Israel back and took it back… that’s not a prophecy; that’s a hostile takeover.

                      I’m rather tired of individuals like you presenting these terrible arguments and then taking the dishonest way out by just saying “But you won’t believe me anyway”… if you had actual evidence, I’d have to believe you. But you don’t so we’re done.

                    • Dan Hernandez

                      We were done long ago. You ask for evidence I gave more than enough. Yet you admit that there’s evidence found but you say that it is not enough. I’m not preaching anything I’m just trying to prove my point without trying to ridicule people the way you are. And no I was not referring to any takeover which even though I don’t want, give me a reason to question you intelligence. What is dishonest about saying that you won’t believe? Isn’t that exactly what happened?

                      You try so hard at rejecting peoples opinion that you don’t even realize how arrogant and insulting that makes you look. It’s like you get upset just because I give you a valid point which you still refuse. If you find yourself to be that smart that it gives you the right to insult people answer me this:

                      You are a Atheist, I assume. Everything you see around you had a beginning, buildings, cars, cellphone, all these things were created by man and everything around us works the same way. Tell me who created you? Am I supposed to believe we came from monkeys? And don’t come with the famous bing bang theory. We all know that chaos can not create order such as the one our solar system has. I have never seen a car forming from a collision between 2 other cars, neither have I seen anything created/formed with perfect order from an explosion but rather a mess of debris. Who created us if not God? If you can answer me this than I will throw my believe in God away. But let me see, we have bee trying this for now thousands of years, maybe millions according to scientist with no success. We can’t even explain how the stones in Stonehenge were put up there yet we are trying to to disprove God’s existence just because we don’t understand Him? You are just one more in the group of those that what they can’t understand they will not believe and reject. I have no actual evidence? what about creation? what about our origin on top of countless others? If you can answer me this. Oh and please don’t even go into the evolution part as I’m not going to even waste my time on such arguments. Since you are the smart guy and the honest one, I expect a smart and honest answer to my questions.

                    • Xzamilio

                      ” Everything you see around you had a beginning, buildings, cars, cellphone, all these things were created by man and everything around us works the same way. Tell me who created you? Am I supposed to believe we came from monkeys?”

                      It’s ironic that at the end of that novel, you said that education and respect is something we should all try to have, and yet the part I quoted indicates you don’t have either. “Who” created me? My parents created me… and their parents created them… and so on until we reach a point in the chain we cannot verify. As for your astoundingly ignorant assertion on evolution, NO, we don’t come from monkeys. We share a common ancestor with our closest relatives, the great apes, which has already been demonstrated by the overwhelming amount of DNA we share with them. If ignorance and lack of answers is all you have to justify why you believe old stories over science, then that is your deal, but I refuse to live in such a primitive world. And if that sounds insulting to you, it’s because I am. You can have the last word as you clearly don’t care about facts or honesty.

                    • Xzamilio

                      You are nothing but a liar. You’re not going to throw your belief away because your bias is already apparent, so you’re just making dishonest statements. “Who created us if not God?” Why are you asking me? I don’t believe we were “created” or that a god was involved as I don’t believe gods exist, so YOU figure out how you’re going to prove that argument from personal incredulity. And when yuo figure that out, present your evidence to the world, because I already know you’re not going to do it today or anytime soon. Goodbye, Dan… don’t write lol

                    • Dan Hernandez

                      You simply sadden me. I really didn’t know there could be such ignorance in an individual today. It’s is unfortunately that your arrogance is bigger than you are. You’re so politically correct that you feel like you can question everyone but no one can question you. If I wasn’t open minded to facts I would be still one of those that go every Sunday to church and don’t even verify what they are told. I’m asking you cuz you seem to have the answer to the questions but I know you don’t. I already figured out that God created us but you are still stumbling trying to prove he does not exist which you have no proof of that either. What part of the word reject do you not understand? Evidence is all around yet you still refuse it and will still refuse it. How did computer come to exist? Let me guess from an explosion?. How did buildings came to exist? Umm they created them selves. How did clothing come to exist? Oh it just appear from no where. I really have to laugh out loud at your blindness. Did everything around you just came from no where. If you’re as smart as you claim to be, lol you should be able to know the answer to that.

                      In simple terms, everything has a beginning. Everything came to exist not by accident. Everything was created and God did so. In any case good bye. It was nice talking to you by the way. I learned a lot. I also learned that ignorance and arrogance are not somethings from the past but rather something very present in individuals today. Oh and I assume you should be one those folks that should be protesting in those states where the death penalty is legal. I figure that if it was wrong for God to kill so many people back then, it should wrong for us to do it today too. Or are you going to tell me that those condemned to death deserve it?

                    • Xzamilio

                      You can’t be this stupid as to present this nonsense on the internet. You can go to Youtube and watch as hundreds of individuals have taken your 3rd grade logic to task and destroyed it… over and over and over. You know who created buildings? Humans… Clothing? Humans…. Computers? Humans? You know HOW we know that? Because there is EVIDENCE that humans created those things… we can find blueprints, find the architect who created the building, find the designer of the clothing, find the designer behind the computer and even if we couldn’t we would be justified in asserting it was created by humans because there is no evidence of any of those things occurring naturally!! This is the saddest and most pathetic analogy ever: The Watchmaker Analogy. It is a feeble attempt to say that because the universe SHOWS design, it must have a designer. Well, that’s a crap argument because the universe’s appearance of design (arguable) is irrelevant to whether or not it was and is irrelevant to the cause of it. Prove it was your god… you can’t because you would have already.

                      “In simple terms, everything has a beginning. Everything came to exist not by accident. Everything was created and God did so”

                      Really? The Kalam Cosmological Argument? If everything has a beginning what created your god? After all, to argue everything has a beginning, your god must also have a beginning, right? By the way, I am against the death penalty. So wait until you get your facts before you go running your mouth. You are pathetic. If your god exists, he should be ashamed of such a poor argument as this one.

                      And for the umpteenth time, I don’t have to prove your god doesn’t exist any more than you have to prove Shiva doesn’t exist. Hitchens’ Razor: That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.

                    • Dan Hernandez

                      (Yawning), LOL At the beginning, I thought I was having a convo with a smart person but I just realized that you’re just a closed minded guy who argue things that you, yourself don’t even know what mean. Lol. Just that question of who created God proves that you have no idea of what the word God even means yet you’re arguing it. Lol any nonbeliever should know that to us, God always existed and was not a created being for if He was created, than He can’t be called God. I read the comment and was not going to answer but it came to my mind the story in John chapter 9 where the blind guy had told the priests 3 times about how he was cured, yet they continued to ask even though they had already listen to the answer 3 times. You should read it at least for the sake of just reading it and maybe how that suits you. It is stubborn people like you that make my believe grow stronger everyday. How can the Bible be so accurate when talking about these things? Lol We live in a so much smarter generation today yet it seems that we are going downhill when it comes to education.

                      As detectives are not allowed to believe in coincidence, neither do I when it comes to the things written in the Bible. For the record, I’m a sinner, I’m not perfect and I make mistakes everyday just like any human being. I only try to do the right things which my God has told me to do. Even if he doesn’t exist, I loose nothing by trying to do good by not harming people. That it’s just a benefit for society. BUT if he does exist, I deff don’t want to be on the side you’re on. As the old saying, “Better safe than sorry”. I loose nothing by following him if he doesn’t exist. I loose everything by no following him If he does exist. Everyone believes in something. I believe in God.

                    • Xzamilio

                      ” As the old saying, “Better safe than sorry”. I loose nothing by following him if he doesn’t exist. I loose everything by no following him If he does exist. Everyone believes in something. I believe in God.”

                      Pascal’s Wager… another pathetic fallacy. Goodbye.

              • SKULLTAKER

                Don’t Worry Spawn of Satan, the GOD you so gleefully Mock will be the GOD you’ll be Blubberring on your Knees to asking him to save your soul, count on it.

                • Xzamilio

                  And there you go. That’s what I’m talking about right there… there’s the threat. I’ve heard this line of talk before and it’s nothing more than a scare tactic. “Serve me or suffer the consequences”… I rest my case. By the way, Satan and God are package deal. I don’t believe your god exists, and I don’t believe your satan does either

                  • bathala

                    @Xzamillo It’s clear to me that you really don’t understand them…yes i agree with you neither god nor satan does exist both of them were created by man…but for them they do exist…they even talk to them in english…

                    • Xzamilio

                      LOL.. nice.

                  • Guest

                    The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist

                    • Xzamilio

                      He’s better than God, then…. because that guy is still having a hard time convincing the 5 billion other people in the world that he DOES.

                  • SKULLTAKER

                    Hey xsambo, thanks for giving me my laugh of the day Fool. GOD has never Lost so please count on being on your knees begging GOD to save your Stinking Soul and the Devil will be in a Corner LHMFAO @ you Dummy !!

                • Nicole

                  If read the New Testament, Jesus never treated unbelievers poorly but showed them lovelove,grace, mercy and compassion. Jesus actually been treated worst by religiousious minded people than by sinners.

                  For all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God (Romans 3:23).

                  For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God not by works, so that no one can boast (Ephesians 2:8)

                  If we as Believers want people to be saved than we need to show them that we practice want we preach and stop being hypocrites. We must pray and love those who are lost. We as believers don’t keep Jesus commandments 100% of the time. Also, as Christians we have to believe in Jesus and follow His Word so that we will not go to hell. People mess up,however, if we ask God to forgive us for our sin and forgive others who have sinned against us than God will clean us of our unrighteousness.

                • Debora

                  Your lame god doesn’t exist. Seriously, grow up. Give up your imaginary friends and think for once. You sound ridiculous.

                  • SKULLTAKER

                    While you the F UGLY Scrunt not only looks like a Wookie but is a Dumb Swamp Donkey

                    • Debora

                      LOL yeah, that proves it ;)

              • Eric

                this sounds exactly like the things that Satan said to man to rupture the relationship with God. There is a way that seems right to man that leads to destruction. Also, sounds like what the bad kids say to the gullible kids about his parents not letting him “do nothing” in order to get him to come along and get into trouble with him.
                As far as blind obedience it is written (I paraphrase) . They searched the scriptures daily to see that these things were so. So he makes several statements that he wants you to see that they are backed up. The problem with some of this is people go to church and the preacher goes here and there in the Bible, people do not do their own reading and you have this disconnected, tiny understanding. You have to read scriptures and pray for understanding and they will be more than words on a page.

                • Xzamilio

                  ” You have to read scriptures and pray for understanding and they will be more than words on a page.”

                  So in other words, you have to go in with a bias in order to have the “meaning” become clear. So if I don’t believe in your god, I don’t have a choice because they’ll only be words to me… Yeah, I’m done. Y’all are like a broken record. Just the same thing over and over and over. Refer to the other comments in case you feel like saying something that has been addressed.

              • Brother Rob

                Please what is going on with these lack of insight comments?
                IF you are not worshiping your FATHER, CREATOR, SAVIOR, WHO is ALL knowing and loving. You made a decision to worship yourself or the other gods in your life which will bring you to the DEAD ENDS of life. FATHER is trying to protect you from yourself and blessed you with a REAL relationship. Something we know very little about(relationships) they are usually about sex money looks or whats in it for me!!!

                • Xzamilio

                  What is wrong with you people? Why do you need to worship something so badly to be a good person? I don’t have a god… I don’t worship myself, and I have NO sex life and I’m not rolling in dough, but I do okay.Are you really that insecure with who you are that a book dictates your life? Besides, if he’s “ALL knowing and loving”, then he knew I’d become an atheist before I ever did and did nothing to stop it. And miss me with that all loving… I’ve read the bible. All loving gods don’t order massacres on entire villages and tell you to keep the virgins for yourself (Numbers 31)

                  • Nicole

                    Because God does not force you to serve Him you have to serve Him willingly. God may not like our bad choices but He is not going to make you chose His. If God wanted everyone to serve Him without free will then you best believe it would happen. Read Numbers 25 then you will knowknow why Numbers 31 happened. God sees the heart of man so he know if your heart is evil, pure and etc. God saved some evil nations and He destroyed others in the Old Testament because of their heart. Moses not God said kill the non virgins and young males (Numbers 31:15). God never told Moses to do that, Moses using “free will” made that decision. If God was this evil Spirit who kill people just to kill them then why are there any people still on this earth. If God did not love man then why He allowed His Son to be crucified for us so that we may live. Name one person who would allow their child to die in order to save many people.

                    • Xzamilio

                      Oh, I am done with this immoral spinning. So God commands Moses to take his vengeance, but Moses then decides by himself to kill the everyone but the virgins, which God does not stop. BUT… previously, when Moses was enslaved by Pharaoh and Pharaoh tries to let them go, but God hardens Pharaoh’s heart (Ex. 9:12), thus violating Pharaoh’s free will.. so don’t tell me that God is all about “free will” because he is not. And what about the free will of the women, young male children and men to not be murdered? And let’s talk Abraham and the near sacrifice of Isaac. God sure as heck was violating their free will all throughout. What about Job? Satan and God made a wager on Job’s loyalty, and Satan killed his children WITH GOD’S PERMISSION!!! So don’t tell me that God is all about free choice because as someone who has read the bible, he clearly is not.

                      Not to mention God drowned an entire world in a flood Girl take this Christian apologetic stuff and shove it because you are far too immoral for my liking.

                    • Rodney James

                      Nicole, don’t forget that the Canaanites practiced Immorality, pagan worship, and child sacrifice were widespread in Canaan. Bible historian Henry H. Halley notes that archaeologists excavating the area “found great numbers of jars containing the remains of children who had been sacrificed to Baal [a prominent god of the Canaanites].” He adds: “The whole area proved to be a cemetery for new-born babes. . . . Canaanites worshipped, by immoral indulgence, as a religious rite, in the presence of their gods; and then, by murdering their first-born children, as a sacrifice to these same gods. It seems that, in large measure, the land of Canaan had become a sort of Sodom and Gomorrah on a national scale. . . . Archaeologists who dig in the ruins of Canaanite cities wonder that God did not destroy them sooner than he did.”

                      Most people can confirm this information in the Bible, if they read it. Most don’t and assume GOD is just being mean.

                    • Debora

                      Why couldn’t he forgive people without killing his son? Oh yeah, because he wasn’t actually killing his son. Yeah, that makes sense. LOL what a stupid book.

                    • Bervick Simien

                      I understand that everyone does not believe in God himself but that does not give you the reason to make fun of someone else belief. Let me share something with you. I used to be just like you thinking God was not real even though I got brought up in church my whole life. I told myself if God exist he has to prove himself to me. Well I am supposed to have been dead so many times especially growing up in the hood. Awhile back I was at gun point with a gun pointed directly to my head…the guy could have shot me if he wanted to but he did not and the crazy thing about it h was supposed to be my friend. That’s because God was watching over me. One time I was in the pool…..I am panicking because I got thrown in the pool knowing I could not swim. As I am drowning I am thinking that I was going to die but all of a sudden I found myself breathing in the water. How in the world is it possible for me to breath in the water. You got to think about that. One thing about a true person that believes in God they will not throw religion on you and force you to like it. They will let you know that it is your choice because God gave us all a choice to serve him. Its either yes or no simple as that. You got to realize you did not create yourself or this world so how can you make fun of it. Hell is real why you think all of this killing is going on. I grew up in the hood man, been around some crazy stuff knowing that I have supposed to have died back than Can no one I do not care how hard they try tell me that God in not real because I have experienced him for myself. I did not use to believe in him but until that day I experienced and felt him for myself it was different. I did not create this world and neither did you. You can go to sleep tonight and not know if you are going to wake up the next. And the funny thing about all this though…after all those time I was supposed to have died…this guy in church stood me up and put me in front of the church and you know what he said….he stated, “YOU WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE DIED ALONG TIME AGO BUT GOD KEPT HIS HANDS OVER YOU….how did he know that? I have never heard or seen this man in my life and yet he told me that. That is all I got to say but I respect you.

                    • Debora

                      You did not breathe in the water. You’re not a fish. You don’t have gills. You’re obviously delirious or maybe you exhaled, and you thought you were breathing water, idk. No god suddenly made you a fish. That’s just ridiculous. And why doesn’t god stop all bullets from hitting innocent people? If he was all powerful he could. But he doesn’t, because he doesn’t exist. Seriously man, think about it. If there was a god there wouldn’t be childhood cancer. You’d love to force others to believe what you do, but you can’t. I’m not as easily convinced as you are. I value reality and reason.

                    • Bervick Simien

                      You right I am not a fish. And you right it does sounds ridiculous but it is the truth. You say if there was not a God…well if there is not a God than why do you exist. Did you create yourself….nah you was born just like everyone else. Did you create the skies, waters? No. I was not physically breathing in water but spiritually I was. If you do not mind me asking….what do you believe in if there is not a God and please do not say science.?

                    • Debora

                      I believe in reality. I exist because my parents had sex, and my mom got pregnant. Just like her mom before her. I didn’t create the skies, the waters, that’s comical.

                    • Bervick Simien

                      And reality is God made all of that…Comical is a man made word. Like I asked before what you do believe in. Do you have a specific religion.

                    • Debora

                      Every word is man made. You asked, I answered. Reality. No, I don’t have a religion, I can see right through religion. It’s simply myths told to keep the sheep in line. And I’m not a sheep. I don’t need a shepherd.

                    • Bervick Simien

                      I here what you are saying. And I respect what you are saying. But just know what was not created just to be created. Everyone here has a purpose including myself. Eventually you will probably know what your purpose is. But like I said I respect you 100% and may God bless you.

                  • Dan Hernandez

                    That sir is just the wrong view of things. It’s really easy to just read something and take out of context. In that same book there are many things that the people he freed from slavery did which he kindly forgave. How come no one mentions those. I know why, it’s because we only see the negative side of things no matter how many good things we have done it only takes 1 bad choice to point fingers

                    • Xzamilio

                      It’s not a wrong view when challenging someone’s assertion of an “ALL loving god”. And don’t insult my intelligence by saying I’m taking it out of context. Then put it in a context that gels with an all loving god, since I’m not looking at it right.

                    • Dan Hernandez

                      If you think I’m insulting your intelligence let me say that that was not or is my intention. In simple words what happened at that time is just an example of where our choices can lead us. you do know that there is and will be a and to everything right? if you read the bible and I do not intent to insult or question you should have read 2 Peter 2:6. So the right context is not to say God is tyrant or look how he killed so many people. Haven’t you heard that whoever lives by the sword will die by it? Even in today’s culture whoever kills goes to jail. Just because he loves you and forgives you does it mean we don’t have to live or put up with the consequences of our actions. In other words yes many people died back then. Do you know why? Do you know what they did? I think that if you knew maybe and just maybe you would not think the way you do. You might know and just refuse to accept it. I don’t know that neither will I question it nor your intelligence.

              • hollyw

                Fyi, a consequence is not a threat.
                Threat: a declaration to inflict harm onto.
                Consequence: relationship between cause an effect; something that follows as a result.
                That is just like saying you are “threatened” with jail time for breaking the law. Clearly, one is inflicted upon you, while the other is a result of your own actions.
                Part of that free will is gaining the accountability over your own actions.

            • Tom Tucker

              Scott, are you off of your meds again?

              • Scott Hamlin

                Meds are a non-issue for me. Evidently you enjoy the self-induced opiate of denying the truth and one of the byproducts of that is levying baseless and childish insults at those who speak or write the truth.

            • Concerned

              When you pray… Who is talking back to you for you to know there is a “will” to follow? There is a name for this condition and there are chapters dedicated to it in Psychiatric textbooks….

              • Scott Hamlin

                I know you imagine that is clever. The reality of prayer is not nearly so petty as that. It will easily endure small minded insults. I wonder if there are chapters in those books of yours that talk about the compulsion to attempt to belittle complete strangers for engaging in the disciplines of their faith. Regarding those textbooks: God, who created those who wrote them and knows all facets of all aspects of ever iota of them and the subjects they write about, is already unfathomable to the most earnest seeker of Him. And thus, when someone writes something that shuts their mind to God well…the result is not very impressive and certainly not very accurate. Writing a book about the mind without factoring in God, is like writing a book about a fish without factoring in the ocean.

          • Eric

            where do you get this burn for eternity, the movies, friends, internet? Perhaps you should read for yourself and not make assumptions. There is also a difference between a threat and a warning. By praying it is not altering your free will because you prayed on your own free will. If I get sage advice from a friend, my friend did not make my decision for me.

            • Xzamilio

              I get it from Christians… talk to them before you go try schooling me. The act of praying is not the violation of free will, you ignoramus. I’m talking about the implications of said praying. How can you believe your god gives free will and then perform a service that requests that your free will be violated, or that someone else’s free will be violated. I agree there is a difference between a threat and a warning.. what is your point? A warning indicates that there is imminent danger that is apparent… this is nothing more than a “warning” that cannot be perceived unless you believe in this god and if you don’t, you’re going to be punished. I tell you what.. when that friend says you will be punished by him because you didn’t do as he said, then use that stupid example.

          • Tom Tucker

            You speak in gibberish just like your moniker.

          • Nicole

            God gives you the choice to serve Him Deuteronomy 30. God did not create hell for man, He created hell for Satan and his angels. Man chose hell (see Genesis)not God. You cannot blame God for your bad choices. In this world you either are the son/daughter of God or the son/daughter of Satan. If you are at a two way street and Someone told you it is better to for you to go right than left because left has destruction and right has life and you choose to go left anyway and fall in a big pit. How can you blame someone else because you chose for go left knowingly there is a pit waiting for you if you go there.

            • Xzamilio

              Yeah, I can blame “God”… but I don’t because I don’t even believe your god exists. But, here’s the problem: This what you said to me in another post:

              “IF you are not worshiping your FATHER, CREATOR, SAVIOR, WHO is ALL knowing and loving.”

              You do realize that if he’s all knowing, he knew what I would be before I was born, before everything was created. He knew everything that would ever be known, meaning he created a system knowing ahead of time it would fail. Knowing ahead of time his angel would go corrupt and ruin mankind. Knowing that a serpent (that oddly is not mentioned as Satan until the NT) would fool the first humans (where was he, by the way, when that was going on?) Knowing he would drown an entire world of people. He KNEW this all before it happened, if he is all knowing, which means not only is he to blame, he is a not all loving as he sets trap after trap for mankind and STILL punishes us for HIS ineptitude. You guys are so darn inconsistent.

              • Nicole

                I gave you the answer and your heart is so harden that you will not receive it. Neither God nor I cannot make you or anybody else to chose Him and believe His Word. If God toke away Satan and our free will it would make Him a liar because He said in Word that He have given the choice to us. God cannot and will not go against His Word. If you or I commit a crime it is not our parents who goes to jail/prison it is us because of our poor decisions. Noah warn the people about the flood many times and they just laugh it off until it was too late. Satan not God sets trap. If you know that you that you will go to hell because of what you read in the Bible and/or heard Christians say it then how is that considered a trap? If God wanted to trap us He would have NEVER allowed the Bible which shows the beginning and the end of this world, what would happen if we choose death over Jesus and vice versa, what would happen to us if we make good or bad decisions and He would never allowed Jesus to die a painful death for our sins.

                • Xzamilio

                  You gave me a BAD answer, one that you can’t justify or demonstrate. I’m tired of all of these spokespeople for this god claiming to know this god but not presenting a shred of evidence for anything you assert for this god.

                  But I would like to know what scriptures you have that show Noah warned people about the flood?

                  • Nicole

                    Genesis 6 shows why God brought a flood on the earth. And forgive me about the Noah part because I reread it and it was not in there but it does show why God did want he did. You have to know God for yourself and talk to Him yourself. I can give you hundreds of ways that God and Jesus manifested Themselves to me and others but you have to find out for yourself and even if God give you physical evidence that He is real and He loves you. You still might not believe because your heart is closed to Him. When Jesus did miracles in front of His disciples and others the majority of them still did not believe that He was the Son of God until He died. Just like you cannot understand a foreign nation and language without studying and learning the language and being around the people. You cannot understand God and His ways with your carnal mind and understanding because God ways are higher than our ways and God’s thoughts are higher than our thoughts. Unlike humans, God is a Spirit He does not have flesh, blood and bones like us. You have to be Spiritual minded to understand a fraction of who He is and why He do the things that He do.

                    • Xzamilio

                      You know why I asked you about the scriptures concerning Noah, don’t you? Because I already knew they weren’t there.

                      ” I can give you hundreds of ways that God and Jesus manifested Themselves to me and others but you have to find out for yourself and even if God give you physical evidence that He is real and He loves you.”

                      Here’s the deal: Your personal testimony is personal justification. If you have experiences that lead you to the conclusion that a god exists, then you are personally justified in your belief. However, in order to get others to believe, you need evidence for your experiences… why? Because I find people of other faiths that claim to have had experiences with their god.

        • Blaqgod

          Can’t be free will if god punishes and expects you to repent every time you screw up. God wants obedient servants not free will thinkers.

          • Scott Hamlin

            That is, of course, a false representation of the reality. God wants us to love Him, yes. It turns out to be the not so secret way to be most happy, secure, fulfilled, etc. in His creation.

            • Xzamilio

              No it isn’t. Blaqgod is exactly right and you’re not refuting a word he says; in fact you’re validating it.

              • Scott Hamlin

                Yes it actually and really and verifiably IS. Impressive how you imagine that what you type is true. Actually…not so much The word is, and ever has been, full of the mindless that you embody. Enjoy God’s creation while you can. It will not last. For you..as you currently do…It will not last….you sad sad fool. Remember this…you will not be able to claim ignorance…even though you act in ignorance.

                • Xzamilio

                  YAY!!! More redundant threats!!! In other words, you have no evidence for what you believe, but will still believe it because you’re afraid. That’s just laziness… no thanks, but I like to live in as objective a reality as I can. You can call me a fool all you want… you’ll forgive me if I don’t get insulted by someone who believes in thousand year old campfire stories.

                  But if it’s so verifiable, then verify it.

                  • Scott Hamlin

                    Your absolutely I do forgive you. How could I not. You, on the other hand will not forgive the part of you that know the real and actual truth. That part of you is unforgivable for now. I pray it will not always be so.

                    • Xzamilio

                      Don’t bother praying.. I mean, like I’ve said already, your prayers are falling on deaf ears, with free will and all. Try this sad psychoanalyzing with your Sunday School class.

                    • rusty

                      @xzamilio:disqus your life must be miserable, it’s like nobody loves you. we are all given free will, it’s up to us to seek and follow HIM or not and there are consequences for it. maybe you have not yet experience the joy and peace that true Christians had, but sometime in your life you will have that miracle, good things comes to those who love and serve the Lord

                    • Xzamilio

                      LOL!!! Don’t forget that I sound like somebody in religion hurt me a long time ago and it made me jaded to religion…. come now, bruh. This appeal to emotion stuff is a classic fundamentalist tactic. I combat this religiosity with logic, and you make ad hominem attacks. My man, I have plenty of people that love me, a nice life, and fortunate to not be on the streets. My life is as fulfilling as it was when I was a Christian and has more fulfillment now that I am an atheist and view this life as the only one I’ll ever have. I’m done repeating myself as I see you all keep making the same argument over and over… if you feel you have something to say, refer to the comments and see if it hasn’t been said already.

                    • orphen107

                      The “big three” religions are for sensing/feeling fools that can’t comprehend the vastness of the universe. There’s too much fear of the unknown, the possibility that there is no God or God does not care so they must cling to what makes them feel good.

                      They are children in a soul sense they need their hand held by an all loving father figure. They will build their identity around this idea and pass this off as a truth for all the universe. Truth doesn’t come to those of faith, truth doesn’t come that easy. These religions are not truth they are myths like any other story. They are myths that attempt to comprehend(badly) the universe.

                      These religions are created to deal with the terrifying idea of “nothingness”. To deal with the fact that evil happens. To justify the suffering. These religions prey on these psychological fears and is a powerful method of control to those that do not “Think”.

                      Spirituality can be justified rationally but not by faith only by reason. Remember the God of the bible was created in the mind of man. Think about that.

                    • Xzamilio

                      Oh I have and you’re right. I won’t address your use of “Spirituality” but only because I don’t know what you mean by that, but everything else you said was on point. It’s an argument from personal incredulity. In other words, it’s true because they can’t fathom it not being true.

                    • orphen107

                      By “spirituality” I’m talking about mind. Spirituality is mental. There are other important things that are mental Psychology, Philosophy, and one “big” one but I won’t go into that.

                    • Xzamilio

                      Okay. Well thank you.

          • Dan Hernandez

            God does not punish anyone. What most people understand by punishment is simply the natural result of our actions. Of course God wants obedience but why? when you tell you 7 years old boy not to jump from the 3rd floor do you tell him cuz you’re a tyrant or cuz you know that that is not going to end well? is that being a tyrant or being loving?

        • Lynette Permenter- Wright

          Free Will??? Preferred choice is: Have enough relevant information to make intelligent decisions.

        • capoeiraike .

          Lmao, I love how religious nuts believe in “free will” while simutlataniously believing their “god” is omniscient. Oh the irony of this GLARING contradiction.

      • Rodney James

        But NOT creating how he thinks or what he believes dude…

      • E Roc

        that makes no sense even to the most illiterate.. perhaps this logic comes from Satan LOL

      • Nicole

        God created Lucifer not Satan. God gave all of His creation “Free-Will” Lucifer became prideful because he was the most beautiful angel and one of top angels. Lucifer said in his heart that he will exalt his throne over God and tricks some angels to follow him. Isaiah 14:12.God threw Satan and his angels out of heaven and created hell just for Satan and his angels. God then created man and woman Satan tricked them into eating the forbidden fruit which caused them to die physically and spiritually. God sent His Son Jesus to the earth to save man and when Jesus died He defeated Satan and took Satan authority. God will judge Satan for all the wrong he has done and he, his demons, the anti Christ and all of hell will burn for eternity in the Lake of Fire.

        • Xzamilio

          My bad. You’re a nutjob. I’m so sorry. Have a good one.

        • Blaqgod

          Nicole, according to Christians god is omniscient. If that’s the case then he should have known that his creation would cause such havoc in heaven first. He knew that Lucifer would corrupt his perfect garden. He knew that man would fall and he knows his creation would continue to fall for such trickery today so why didn’t he just kill Lucifer before allowing all of this chaos to occur if he was serious about having a loving relationship with man? What it sounds like to me is the same game your god played with Lucifer regarding Job. Lets see how many will follow you vs me and the one with the most wins. Lucifer can’t do anything without god’s permission. He needed permission to touch Job just like he needs permission to trick y’all. Remember in Isiah 45:7 god says he’s the creator of light and darkness.I bring prosperity and create disaster. Seems like god is the true trickster not Lucifer or Satan or the devil or whatever y’all wanna call him these days..LOL

          • Dan Hernandez

            If he would have killed Satan, wouldn’t that have proved Satan’s point of Him being an unjust God? Point which is exactly what people say not knowing where that theory cam from. I could answer the second point but that is not something I can put in simple words for it is a deep complicated topic. If could have a more direct conversation as civilized people that would be great. Maybe it will help to read 1 Corinthians 10:13.

          • Nicole

            When God created the earth and man He have given Adam ALL dominion over the earth. When Satan tricked Adam, Adam gave Satan the authority and power over the earth. When Jesus died, He took the authority Adam gave to Satan back and gave it back to man. Read Isaiah 45:1-25 all the way through. When He said that I created light and darkness in that scripture He did not mean good and evil, but the daytime and nighttime Genesis 1. The Old Testament was translated from Hebrew, so the Hebrew definition of darkness and light have many termsterms,meanings and context just like the words there, their, two, too and to. They sound the same but have different meaning and you don’t use them in the same context. You would not say, “I have too or to apples” or “He is there dad”. A lot of the time when people translate from one language to the other they miss pieces because what many be in their language, vocabulary and alphabet may not be in other languages, vocabulary and alphabet or they might mean something different. Like in the Bible it says fear of God or fear God it does not mean to be afraid of God but to respect Him or reverence Him. Satan does not need God permission to do anything on this earth because he need man to give him the authority to do evil because Jesus gave man back his authority of the earth. God may allow Satan to do things because He has to judge Satan and this way Satan cannot try to escape his punishment by saying that God did not give him a fair trial.

      • mike

        Satan Made the CHOICE to be evil. Thats not GOD fault. You little one with breath from God. Should not Try to judge the Almighty. You need his breath to exist “Wake Up. Receive Jesus and get saved from Hell

    • reglrNDN

      as the terminator once said, “follow me if you want to live”

    • Lynette Permenter- Wright

      No Destruction. No Satan involved. Basic common sense decision making.

    • rick

      satan doesnt exist.

    • stlplyr

      It’s spelled TOO Much second grade test answer to & too you’ll stay a moron

    • capoeiraike .

      Lmao, “satan”, what does the easter bunny and santa do to people??

  • Brian Odom

    Well, if you step aside, another woman will eventually take your place.

    • Define2

      All woman aren’t the same and I’m sure he won’t have the same feelings he had for this young lady.

      • dc

        im sure after a “talk” with god he will be alright lol smh.

        • Tom Tucker

          How can he have a talk with something that has never existed?

          • ceyman

            Fools pushing their atheist agenda at every opportunity…

            • capoeiraike .

              Lmao, uhhh, ya it’s so “foolish” to push logic and reason.
              Noooo, lets just keep pushing fairy tales, that will help us move “forward”.

          • Leon Coleman

            It’s impossible to know if God exists or not. Hell, we don’t even know if the universe exists as we think it does.

          • stlplyr

            Your Brain never existed

          • capoeiraike .

            Because he’s delusional, just like all the other religious nuts.

          • bigpost

            i do not know why people so want to discredit people who believe in God and make fun of them?? are you scared about ‘something’? people like you, do anything to prove there is no God!!! why?

            • Reuben Hyman

              A fool will say in his heart there is no Elohim!

          • Tracie Murrell

            You can’t see oxygen but you need it to breathe.

      • SKULLTAKER

        yes they are

    • Define2

      Yep, there will always be someone that will tolerate what another one won’t.

  • Maile00

    And my girl is in like Flynn!

  • guest

    she should keep their business private

    • T. T.

      True, but I was wondering what happened to their relationship. I so hoped these two would make it together but everything happens for a reason so good luck to these two very talented people.

  • Lisa

    …Waits for side chick to arise #notbuyingit!

    • ok

      She came out a while ago ALLEGDLY… “A woman by the name of Mercedes “

      • NativeBeautyy

        dont forget, Joseline CLAIMED to have had a sexual relation sometime recently.. but we all know that could be a lie.