“Pull Up Your Pants…Stop Littering…”: CNN’s Don Lemon Gives Five Points On How To Save The Black Community

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July 28, 2013 ‐ By Drenna Armstrong

(Video Source: Mediaite)

One of the things I do in the morning as part of my little routine is check my Twitter timeline. Imagine my surprise when I saw that many were up in arms about some comments made this weekend by Don Lemon.

During his weekend piece on CNN, “No Talking Points, Lemon surprisingly agreed with the following comments made by Bill O’Reilly:

The reason there is so much violence and chaos in the black precincts is the disintegration of the African American family.  Raised without much structure, young black men often reject education and gravitate toward the street culture, drugs, hustling…gangs. Nobody forced them to do that, again, it is a personal decision.”

Nothing Bill O’Reilly says regarding the black community ever comes as a surprise to anyone.  Ever. The only time we ever hear black people agree with him, for the most part, is when they’re part of the right wing.

Until Don Lemon. During “No Talking Points, Lemon said he agreed with O’Reilly and, in fact, felt he didn’t go far enough in his criticism.

Lemon stated that he has talked about this in the past and now has five things that can be done to help the community (let’s do this in reverse order:

5. Pull up your pants;

4. Stop using the “N word”;

3. Respect where you live (this includes not littering. Don said while living in white communities, he rarely saw it but living in Harlem now, he sees it all the time);

2. Finish high school and;

1. Stop having children out of wedlock.

Now, I’ll say this: His thoughts are not without merit.  I’ve heard many people say they wish they could alleviate most of the things on this list because they are real issues.  In fact, I’ve said a few of these in conversations with friends and people I’ve met in social settings.

However, I present this question: Don Lemon comes across as disconnected from the black community, for lack of a better term, when he gives these points without even considering other social or economic factors.  I do not disagree that people, especially young people, should make better choices in life, but there are many people who are only surrounded by what they’ve seen growing up and don’t even know there’s another way to think about life.

No, you can’t blame “the man” for everything that goes wrong in the black community because if no one else looks after us, we have to look after us.  But you just cannot give five points as simple as the ones Lemon described and think, like magic, the problems in the black community will just disappear.

If Lemon is so disturbed about the littering problem in Harlem, why doesn’t he use his celebrity to start a weekly or even monthly clean up program? It wouldn’t be easy but like he said, it would be a start.

There’s a bigger conversation, as there always is, to be had and I’m sure we’ll hear more from Don Lemon within the coming days. He does not come across as a bad guy and I suspect that many, more than anything, are upset that he agreed with Bill O’Reilly. We’ll see what happens.

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  • Forrealz

    Just like a black person asking other people to clean up their mess…”start a community clean-up program” – You mean for the idiots ignorant blacks living their throwing used diapers out of windows? Who the hell wants to help a bunch of losers who don’t respect themselves or their surroundings?

  • Nigel Chamblin

    Don and o’reilly don’t ask the question why black men do what they do. They don’t pan back and look at the bigger picture. like poor educational systems and police to jail industrial system. Don and o’reilly are looking at the residual happenings.

  • words

    He seems disconnected from the black community because he’s critical of the same things are grandmothers and grandfather would say? Interesting…These things and more need to be said to our youth everyday by the man on the corner, the small black business owner, the basketball coaches, the small community leaders, MOTHERS, preachers, teachers, and most importantly those with balls and and a tv show until each one teaches one.

  • 1D_Artagnan1

    O’Reilly? Ha! There was nothing but TRUTH in what O’Reilly said. What? Because he doesn’t look black he can not call out the prolific screw ups of a large segment of black america that hinders ALL blacks in black America? Do you know how hard it is and how many doors are shut to other blacks that have their stuff together because they are carrying the burden of all the screw ups that, unfortunately, make up a large segment of black America. Bottom line is the smart black people will not have a large group of black friends around them. That ethnic group that makes up a part of their circle will be very few and will consist of some high quality individuals concerning character. When you as a black person have prove to other ethnic groups that you do not share in the stupidity, ignorance, incompetence, and unprofessionalism that so many people that look like you do then it is time to start cutting your losses and right now “black America” is a HUGE liability to the few blacks that have it together and looking to grow personally and professionally. How do I know? because my biggest enemy hasn’t been white, it has been black; both the uneducated hoods and the thugs who just happen to have degrees and where suits.

    I am not apologizing for saying this because this is the TRUTH and myself and several other black associates are experiencing this as we speak and or have gone through this and as far as I am concern; this whole black people come together group thing is over. I will deal with these people, that’s right “these people”- if you want to still be a part of this dysfunctional hot mess of a so called “people” then have at it, as individuals and if you come up lame after I see what you are about then I will kindly and quietly be leaving where you stand.

    I have tried to help “my people” for over 15 years and I have been betrayed by them for the last time and looking back over that time. I was never treated as badly and done so wrong by anyone as I have been by my own so called people. Even though it is not right that some whites, that hold the controlling majority in some entities and organization, make it almost impossible to get hired and if they do take a chance on one of us that they don’t know anything about, that they are just waiting to be disappointed and vindicated at the same time in the event that these fools screw up; thus embarassing themselves, me, and every other black person in America; I understand why they are concerned about letting to many “black folks” have any significant power in those areas. Those concerns are not without merit. I myself find myself unable to even get an interview in some areas because of this and I tired of paying for the utter stupidity and ignorance of the majority of black people.

  • Veda Lavelle

    The sad thing is, that the Blacks that need to do the things Don talks about, and the ones that already do can still be profiled, followed in stores, pulled over by cops, and disrespected as President of the United States… does he need to pull up his pants too? The bottom line is bigots like O’Reilly hate Black people no matter what they do. Any black person agreeing with him won’t change that fact. Don may want blacks to stop using the N word, but you better believe that’s exactly what O’Reilly sees HIM as, including some of the people at CNN!
    In a perfect world blacks can clean up ALL of their issues, and they should, but will still have to fight for basic rights in their own country. The next time a black person is pulled over by a cop, maybe they should show him their degree and a picture of their nice unlittered home. That is, if they get the chance to.

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  • cleva

    Middle class vs the poor. That’s all this is really.

    • 1D_Artagnan1

      This is about information. Plain and simple. Those who are limited in it are causing the problems for EVERYBODY on all sides.

  • clove8canela

    I don’t necessarily disagree with his points, but it seems as though he’s just an observer and not apart of the black community he’s addressing. Comments like these feed into the stereotype that we’re all just alike and that being said, I assume that he doesn’t consider himself as one of ‘those’ blacks. Why doesn’t he take a look in the mirror? Is he guilty of doing any of those things on his list? No, so I’m not sure why this message is directed to everyone. Our community is just as diverse as everyone else’s.

    And on a random tip, is anyone addressing all these white women who are choosing to be a single parent because they never found the ‘right’ partner? Those children are born out of wedlock, fathered by unknown men from a tube, but instead of being chastised they’re applauded for being so ‘brave.’

    • 1D_Artagnan1

      Do you have any idea how much of a struggle it is for blacks to distinguish themselves from as you put it “those blacks” amongst other people? Do you have any idea how many jobs and opportunities blacks are losing/being denied because of “those blacks”? If a black is being called white, or an uncle tom, or a sellout these days by “those people” then he is heading in the right direction and will grow personally and professionally. Let the rest of the fools “stay down” and “keep it real”.

  • mannymota34

    What does the fact that Don Lemon is gay have to do with his points? The man is absolutely correct – if Black people don’t respect themselves, others, and where they live they’ll never improve their lives. And quit looking for a hand-out – our immigrant grandparents didn’t! Stay in school, speak properly, and assimilate into society. Or remain a drag on society.

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  • kimberly h.

    shut up don lemon……..your not black.ughh.

    • mannymota34

      That’s “you’re”. Ughh.

  • brotherfreeom

    Yo Banks, so, you’re concerned about “white supremacy’…dude, this isn’t the ’50′s, Stop wasting your time worrying about people who don’t like you because of your racial make-up. Consider this: racial problems exist in other countries, not just here. The question you have to ask yourself is: will I let those who are ignorant control my destiny, or will I rise &
    shine above all their B.S.?

  • foolishness

    PLEASE PEOPLE, DO NOT TAKE YOUR PARENTING ADVICE FROM A MAN THAT SLEEPS WITH OTHER MEN. ARE YOU SERIOUS???? BY VIRTUE OF HIS EXISTENCE, DON LEMON IS IMMORAL…EVERYTHING HE DOES IS WRONG. THERE IS NOTHING RIGHT ABOUT DON LEMON! YOU GUYS HAVE GOT TO WAKE UP AND SMELL THE DAGGON COFFEE!!!

    • 1D_Artagnan1

      You are right on the parenting advice.

  • foolishness

    Don lemon giving out “advice” on what is “right or wrong”? how is this possible. by virtue of his homosexual lifestyle, he has lost all moral and sane ability to decide right from wrong. A homosexual CANNOT provide moral guidance, or any kind of guidance, given that his or her lifestyle is morally reprehensible and an abomination to God. Don Lemon is irrelevant, narcissistic and immoral. He has no grounds, none whatsoever, to speak on behalf of Black American, particularly on issues that involve what is right and what is wrong. Don Lemon needs to go somewhere and pray. Get his mind right. His mind has been twisted and has no sense of right or wrong. Have several seats, please, Don. You’re making me sick!

    • GeekMommaRants

      Huh? Don spoke the truth, something a real man does. As oppose to the P.I.M.P.S. you call pastor. Bishop Jakes’ advise is give him more of your money. See the difference? NO.

      • 1D_Artagnan1

        Don is simply repeating what others have already said concerning the problems of black Americans.

  • guest

    I am so tired seeing young men with their pants sagging. It is a total digrace to our race and us as a people. Iv’e seen fads but this one is insane. I have three sons and they couldn’t walk around my house or in front of it with this lack of respect. I also have two grandaughters and men they bring home are not allowed entry with out pulling them up. More parents should take a stand, you can’t live in my house and were those types of pants.

  • amir bey

    Black folks can’t handle the truth, and we’re our worse enemies. Young folks need to stop having kids they can’t raise and those who can need to teach them something!!

    • 1D_Artagnan1

      and THIS is the ABSOLUTE TRUTH!

  • driven

    In lieu of Bill O’reilly, Don Lemon, and countless other pundants:

    While I do care about the plight of the Black community and feel that conversations are the foundation to change…I feel like these conversations and dialogue are just used to generate controversy, get media attention, and make a name for themselves.

    If there was as much effort to change the black community as there were to talk about it…..whoa…imagine what would happen. Simply put: its a front, and they really don’t care.

    This is why I ignore many videos of people/reporters that claim “to know” or “have the answer” to fixing us (as if we all are the same). It’s irritating, because the same people on Fox and CNN and Whoever who are always hosting segments about race (because they know they will always get viewers) have little to show for their efforts. I’m sorry but all the real Black revolutionaries are assassinated, in prison, hiding, or is now a college professor.

    All you race-baiting media fakes need to go somewhere.

    • driven

      And do you really think these videos are reaching out to the Black people that need to hear it?

      Nope!

      Less talking, more walking. (im talking about myself too)

      • Taj

        Exactly. . Yes to point 1 and yes to point 2. Unless you have the balls to say the very thing in front the faces of those for which it needs to be said as opposed to just the front of the camera, then SHUT UP!! You are not saying anything that other Black people haven’t already addressed or don’t know. You want to stop the littering in your community? Start a clean-up program and lobby for laws to fine those who are caught throwing trash. You want to stop the culture of boys wearing sagging pants and out-of-wedlock pregnancy? Administer outreach programs that reaches out of risk youth that goes beyond giving activities as a diversion to going into gangs such as providing tutoring and career preparation. There are already people out there doing those things. However, many people do not have the resources to do this on a nationwide scale. Although I do believe in personal responsibility, some people simply need intervention to stop the cycle of poverty while more needs to be done to address institutional racism. Ironically, many schools have been slated to be closed in Philly and Chicago while other states are cutting back on education altogether while billions are still have been spent overseas to rebuild Afghanistan and Iraq only to be filtered into the pockets of contractors. However, no one wants to talk about that.

        • mannymota34

          You don’t need someone else to start a program for individuals to realize they’re heading down a dead end. Individuals can pull up their own pants, stop their own littering, stop having casual, un-protected sex, pay attention and put real effort into school, stop using the N word, speak properly, and be a positive member of society. It’s called personal responsibility. And you can’t get that from a program.

          • 1D_Artagnan1

            Say it one more time manny, they are not listening to you.

  • Queensqn

    I agree with all of these points and instill them into my 4 sons. These are starting points, but leading points that will open the door for better things. We cant always be critical when people point out flaws in the black community.

  • OSHH

    All of these points have been made and discussed before by myself and many others, Don Lemon has not broken any new ground here, but none of these points will or can end racism.
    Another blog suggested he made these points as a way for black folk to end racism, *hard blink* the notion of that is beyond absurd, just like him labeling the black community the most homophobic, another ridiculous untruth. smh

  • blackdolphin

    While I am not an advocate of Bill OReilly, and his BS, I agree whole heartedly with Mr. Lemon. Each time I go into a public place, and the young black men walk in with the pants to the knees, the look of utter disdain and disgust from the public saddens and sickens me. Why are we angry at others for using the “N” word, when we continually do to ourselves, although to us, it may have a different connotation? In some AA neighborhoods, the care of their surroundings is evident, or should I say lack thereof. While I don’t know that college is right for everyone, Common Sense is! If folks want respect, then as the Staples put it, “Respect Yourself”. AA are capable of doing anything they wish. But seem to take the lower ground instead of the higher one. Do we even care? We seem to have adopted a culture that is very negative, instead of making white folks liars, we continue to reinforce the stereotype, and then get PO’D! when folks like BR voice their opinion. If we stop doing it to ourselves, other folks can’t do it to us! We all know that the media will hon in on anything that portray AA in a negative light. Why do we as a people continue to give them that light?

    • Marguerite

      Best comment ever.

      • 1D_Artagnan1

        Oh but it does Marguerite, believe me, it does.

    • mannymota34

      Well said, though I don’t see how you call Bill O’Reilly’s talking points on this issue “BS” when Don Lemon completely agreed with B’OR’s points (even went further), and you agree with DL “whole heartedly”. Sounds like you may want to open up to others arguments a bit – especially when you admit to agreeing with them.

      • blackdolphin

        Manny, if you listen to BO, then you must know that most of the time he is full of it. Take the Ludacris fiasco for instance. I do not advocate what he says, since he majority of it is derogatory. “Other arguments,” give me an example, and I will gladly oblige. On THIS particular commentary from both these men, I agree, 100. No change in opinion here.

  • Taj

    First of all, people need to do their research. Bill Oreilly always have his talking points at the end of his segment and it always based upon the most current issue. His segment was actually on the Bankruptcy of Detroit and how it was going in the ground because it has historically been ran by Democrats with a large Black representation. However, Detroit went underwater just like many cities because of the effect of outsourcing on the economy. As a matter of fact, a number of towns and cities have gone or are going into Bankruptcy. However, a lot of attention has been granted to Detroit since it is the largest city contemplating bankruptcy. Although some people are calling for Detroit to get support, many Republicans (especially the governor) are pushing for Bankruptcy so they can wipe out the pensions of retired city workers. Therefore, this context make Don Lemon’s five points all the more disingenuous. First off, O’Reilly has never cared for Black People and has made racist statements regarding Obama and Michelle. Secondly, when he stated his talking points, he was giving the impression that the behavior he was stating was indicative of ALL Black people. Thirdly, he was stating those points to make the claim that Black people were INHERENTLY incapable of running any precinct or any form of government for that matter. Now, do I agree with Black people littering, wearing their pants below their waist, or having children out of wedlock? A resounding No !! However, if anyone takes issue with my post, I would like to know how they feel about people losing their pensions and the idea that Black People are incapable of running anything.

    • Taj

      I would also like to add that I find it hypocritical that people would exhalt celebrities like Jay Z who supported himself by selling drugs only to rap derogatory lyrics and Beyonce who both dropped out of High School (yes I said it) while preaching the opposite to the common Black man or Black Woman. Again, I don’t justify the foolishness that goes on in the Black Communities. However, a person can do everything that Don has suggested and can still be discriminated. Furthermore, I doubt that the people that he speaks of actually watches his segment. So what good is that? And to add insult to injury, Don mentioned that he lived in Harlem. However, he would rather go on a rant about how Black people litter their neighborhood rather than start some sort of clean-up program in Harlem or Neighborhood Awareness program being that he is a man who should have some “means”. If I had the means, I would develop a school system with a superior curriculum to most public schools to reach disadvantaged Black Children. However, I am of little means and have enough on my plate finishing my PhD. So, why is it I and others who are of little means (but already following Don’s “5-point plan) responsibility to police other people’s behavior when people such as he won’t do anything themselves, but still find the occasion to get on their soapboxes. Perhaps it easier to make your case on camera, but not get up in the faces of the people who your message is meant for. Therefore, to people like Don, if you are going to talk the talk, then walk the walk — because some of us have already heard the talk and frankly, I am tired of hearing it as you have not stated anything that I don’t already know.

      • blackdolphin

        She (Beyonce) may have dropped out of high school, but with all those zeros on the back end of her bank account, ain’t hurting her one bit!!

        • Taj

          You missed my point.

          • blackdolphin

            No Taj, I didn’t miss your point. I just didn’t take issue with something that I did’t feel had any merit to this thread. All of us don’t exalt those folks. But give credit to those who do give back. No not everyone will rise to the level of some of the notables. But we can rise to the level of our own successes. There are many parents out there that are raising their children to understand that not everyone walks that road. Let’s be honest, even though creating scientific and medical break thrus are great things to do, they don’t pay well. That’s what the younglings are looking at. They do not want the struggle that their
            parents had. Wanting a better life is not greedy, and does not necessarily mean one has a love of material things. If one has a choice, why would one choose to live in a drug infested, run down,crime ridden neighborhood, as opposed to one with good schools, and a better all around environment? You sound a litlle angry, for whatever reason. The comment I made about Bey was meant to be funny. Not one for you to give me a lesson in life that I do not need. Hell I probably got shoes that are 3x’s your age, and have seen more life in a month than you have for your whole time on earth!

            • Taj

              “You sound a litlle angry, for whatever reason.. . . .and have seen more life in a month than you have for your whole time on earth!”

              Well, you have obviously made this personal. However, you don’t know me and will never know enough about me to make that statement. But I am not going to argue tit for tat. I have made my point and have a right to make any rebuttal to replies.

              • blackdolphin

                See, there it goes again. The anger. I have a right to re-butt as well. But aren’t re-buttals basically tit for tat? You opened the door with your 1st reply. You made it personal by your comment” ..You missed my point”. If you cannot stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

        • GeekMommaRants

          That’s the problem, money rules everything! Many only want $$ without commitment, discipline and a realistic plan. Money does not rules everything around you!

          • 1D_Artagnan1

            And that is why so many black “professionals” screw up in other fields. They are all about a dollar at any and all cost and they don’t who or what they screw up and destroy to get it. Like you said, no commitment, no discipline, and no clue. Nothing but thugs with degrees wearing suits.

  • brother freedom

    The author is only repeating what Bill Cosby rightfully stated a few years ago, which received a lot of praise then. Cosby stated that the formula for getting out of poverty DOES MEAN: FINISHING SCHOOL, NOT HAVING KIDS OUT OF WEDLOCK, AND RESPECTING YOURSELF AS WELL AS YOUR COMMUNITY…….And you think Don Lemon is ‘disconnected’?. Hey, Armstrong, when you have the time, come to an “African” neighborhood, anywhere in the U.S. Our children attend school without problems, graduate, marry, and for the most part, live comfortable lives. We see our African American counterparts, and we wonder, in spite of racism, you live here, you have an advantage over those (like my family), who emigrated here, but many of you don’t take advantage of what this country can offer you. Racism exits EVERYWHERE, but you can’t us it as an excuse. Your parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents had to deal with a much more hostile U.S. than you ever will. Think about that

  • pugwis

    “Social and economic factors”, like other groups don’t have social and economic factors affecting their lives. Once this writer brought up “social and economic factors”, she became an apologist for the status quo. The way you act is an individual decision. You can pull your pants up. You can put your hat on right side up. You can put trash into a trash can. You can talk normally. You can do all of those things regardless of “social and economic factors”. Blacks know how to act and the right way to fit into this society. Yes, “this society”, the United States. They choose to belong to their own little world and blame the rest of us for their separateness. I’d add, “Stop pretending to be gangsters”. It seems that being a gangster is the goal of almost every black kid.

  • wayhix

    Every time someone speaks clear and simple truths about our comunity and it’s current headlong race into disaster, some wise apple raises up and throws in a “but” or a “what if” or an excuse, a diversion, a justification. If we don’t start SOMEWHERE, we’ll keep on this path to NOWHERE. O’Reilly was right, so is Lemon. No ifs, ands or buts required.

    • mannymota34

      DAT’S wut I’m TALKIN BOUT, G!! (just kidding on the accent, yo…)

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  • Mike Wills

    How come everyone says that there is a bigger conversation to be had, yet NOBODY wants to engage in that conversation????

  • Lbv

    The author says start a clean up program? That is missing the point. The point is stop littering, respect and care about your community and the people around you. A clean up program is just others picking up after those that don’t care and no change comes from it.

    • Wendyxqm

      Why should Black people maintain “their” community when it is owned by whites and they are being exploited by substandard housing, neighborhood stores that are overpriced, police brutality and containment and everything else imposed on Blacks?

      • mannymota34

        Because THEY live there, that’s why. I rent an apartment, and guess what – I pick up garbage outside of this house – that I don’t own. I help the owner maintain the lawn and plant-beds out front – cause she’s ill – but also because I LIVE HERE. I’m doing my part to contribute to my community. That’s a positive way to think. It’s the way I think EVERYONE should think. If we all did – guess what – CLEANER WORLD. Happier people. Pride in the place you call “home”. Not tough to do, either.

      • just saying

        Because having a nice neighborhood attracts the resources we want to have. I live in Harlem where there are a lot of nice black-owned neighborhood stores. yet, I often go showing downtown at white stores. why? Because when I try and shop in the neighborhood, my shoes get ruined by stepping in gum, having cigarette butts blown around on them, and having some low-class punks spit on them. so, I take my hard earned money downtown where the streets are nice and don’t smell.

  • http://www.facebook.com/minister.scottpate Minister Tonja Scott-Pate

    I must say that I agree with what Don is saying. We must take charge of our lives and the lives of our children. We must have dignity and respect for ourselves, if we expect it from someone else. We came from a history of kings and queens. Yet, many in the black communities feel they can’t take care of themselves or their communities. It doesn’t take much to dress descent. It doesn’t take much to clean your sidewalks. It doesn’t take much to stop belittling one another with the N-word. All it takes if EFFORT!!!

  • pickneychile

    Anyone who disagrees with what either of these men said is in DENIAL! These aren’t the only issues in the black community but they are definite and obvious ones. Black people, stop getting so caught up with who is delivering the message that you ignore the truths they are speaking!

  • http://www.facebook.com/courtney.banks.37 Courtney Banks

    Doing everything on the white man’s to do has not and will not stop racism against blacks.. Why isn’t Don attacking the problem at its root, which is white supremacy… Do people like Don actually think the farther you get away from “poor blacks” that you will be seen as one of them? White supremacy dictates that the WHITE boy who sags his pants will still get a job faster than the black boy who does…. So that’s clearly not the real issue. Blacks with more money and/or assimilate, still face racism. This is nothing more than a deflection because whites and dummies like Don think that once we do everything that nice white man says, racism will go away, as if racism is out fault to begin with!(always remember white created race as a weapon to make others inferior, and by extension black culture inferior). Why aren’t the whites who like to copy and appropriate black culture doing equally as bad?? That’s something to think about!!

    • Wendyxqm

      Don is part of the African petty bourgeoisie like Obama who is trying to assimilate and act as a neocolonial force to do the bidding of white power. Plain and simple.

      • GeekMommaRants

        You are an idiot!

    • mannymota34

      Courtney – Don’t you think that by following Don Lemons (and Bill O’Reilly’s) suggestions White people would have less reason to BE prejudiced? By being negative and a burden on society Blacks are only feeding the stereotype and making it easier for prejudiced Whites to remain so. You can’t control what others think, but you can control yourself. Change your ways, be positive, respectful, productive, better yourself in a REAL sense – pull yourselves up. Then, when you respect yourself, and OTHERS, others will respect you.

      • GeekMommaRants

        Great points and your still wrong. If we could purchase equality, don’t you think we would have done so, 300 years ago? The most hated folks on earth are still Jews, and now, they don’t care.

      • http://www.facebook.com/courtney.banks.37 Courtney Banks

        We don’t create the stereotype. 90% of what we watch, read, and listen to are owned by 6 different companies all owned by white people we have no control over how we are portrayed racism and the way we are treated is NOT our fault nor is it our responsibility to try and change ourselves in order to appease the group of people who have screwed us over and continue to do so today..Blacks have never been respected since they were shipped over to this country, what makes you think by simply “respecting” myself will change all of that.. You’re doing no more than shifting the blame on blacks…The way we are treated is not out fault. If it were as simple as you put it middle to upper class blacks who speak proper English are smart etc… would not experience racism….. Sooo why does it still happen to them??

    • mannymota34

      Courtney – Don’t you think that by following Don Lemons (and Bill O’Reilly’s) suggestions White people would have less reason to BE prejudiced? By being negative and a burden on society Blacks are only feeding the stereotype and making it easier for prejudiced Whites to remain so. You can’t control what others think, but you can control yourself. Change your ways, be positive, respectful, productive, better yourself in a REAL sense – pull yourselves up. Then, when you respect yourself, and OTHERS, others will respect you.

  • alt-K

    Thank you, Don. Well stated. Some will disagree and continue to make excuses for the failures in the black community, but we’ll never improve ourselves by making excuses.

  • Patricia

    Bill O’Reilly has not said anything new we have heard this before. Everything does come one thing. Choices. People make choices to do what they want.

  • BETTIE

    Does he think all black neightborhoods are the same????

    he does sound disconnected huh? Most blacks are middle class and live in the suburbs.

    I was raised in a black neighborhood in TX will manicured lawns. It doesnt look like Harlem.
    Does he think most blacks live in low income communities?

    Does he attend a black church?

    Is he familiar with mainstream black america???

    He seems to have a strereotypical view of blacks.

    i bet he wont stereotype the jews on his show…. Zucker would have him fired in minutes

    • SmartSS

      Where did he say all black neighborhoods, all black men need to pull up their pants, all black people need to go around and pick up trash, and all black people have children out of wedlock??? At what point do we STOP blaming others and start having some self responsibility??? That is the big problem here, no one alive today owes us anything! I’m so tired of hearing the same stuff day in and day out! What are you doing to help yourself should be the question to those that think they are being oppressed!

      • brother freedom

        PREACH !!

    • JT

      I actually saw this when it originally aired, and he did say repeatedly, “If you don’t do these things, them I’m not talking to you.”

    • mannymota34

      Bettie – it’s pretty obvious from his segment that Mr. Lemon is talking about problem areas (as he stated.) And I don’t think you can disagree there are problems in the Black community. As such, I think DL’s points are very valid. Why argue with the messenger when his message is sound?

    • mannymota34

      Bettie – it’s pretty obvious from his segment that Mr. Lemon is talking about problem areas (as he stated.) And I don’t think you can disagree there are problems in the Black community. As such, I think DL’s points are very valid. Why argue with the messenger when his message is sound?

  • chasadie

    lmfaoo. He sounds like Tom from the boondocks. hahah ;p

    • GeekMommaRants

      Stay on your pole!

      • chasadie

        Ummm, wtf?

  • abu

    If Lemon is so disturbed about the littering problem in Harlem, why doesn’t he use his celebrity to start a weekly or even monthly clean up program?
    That won’t stop the littering. You missed the point completely.

    • toya

      Like I said earlier if blacks wanna live like animals in the projects 2 bad. U cant help folks that wont help themselves

    • mannymota34

      abu – seems like YOU missed HIS point – that Blacks (in troubled areas) need to take personal responsibility – NOT wait for someone else to “start a program”. These young people should be able to pull up their own pants.

  • DressSox~n~draws

    You should’ve seen Roland Martins response on Facebook. I no longer like him and he was just out of order.

    • Marguerite

      wow, where is the coment?

      • DressSox~n~draws

        Check his Facebook feeds. He was asking for air time to go up against Bill O and acting like a clown in several stats. He had all these people firing him up. It was just ridiculous. I watched the segment live and I even stated how I agreed with Bill O. I forgot the name of the guy he interviewed but Bill was crushing him with info that could not be denied. I get it; it’s Bill O. 99.9% of the time he makes no sense. He caught me watching at his .1% LOL.

        • mannymota34

          Just because you don’t agree with Bill O’Reilly’s politics doesn’t mean he does not make sense.

          • DressSox~n~draws

            Agreeing of disagreeing has nothing to do with it making sense or not making sense.

            • mannymota34

              Agreed. In a sense.

  • Gabriel

    I’m about to bring up another point that may definitely sting some people, but if we can get past naming our kids LaShawnta and JeDarius it may present better career opportunities for us in the job market. And I’m not throwing shade and I agree that people have the right to name their kids whatever they want (North, Blue, Apple) but let’s not pretend that to some employers it doesn’t make a difference. Who do you think will be primarily considered for an internship, Elizabeth or Shaquanda? Just food for thought, not criticism.

    • xyzebra

      I’m tired of the attacks on black names…cut out the self hate and stop justifying discrimination.

    • http://www.facebook.com/courtney.banks.37 Courtney Banks

      So basically European aka white names are more appropriate???… White people got your mind and other minorities fcked up in the head… That’s why when they come to this country their desperately trying to give their child “normal” or European names. NEWSFLASH it’s not the name that’s the problem it’s the racist mindset of the ones doing the hiring.. That thinking is no different than the black women with natural hair in the workplace and are forced to perm it, to make whites happy.

      • Mimi

        It’s not that ‘white’ names are more appropriate it’s that, for some reason, we as a people feel it’s necessary to give our children silly names. ‘Ama’zin Blackman’ anyone? The sentiment is nice but how is that going to look on his resume twenty years from now? Who’s going to take that name seriously? ‘Quarntasia’? How about that one? The intentions are probably decent but the name just isn’t cute. It’s a stereotype and wherever those children go they will be known by the race first because we are, as an ethnic group, pretty much the only ones who do that. When was the last time you saw a Caucasian girl named ‘Obamanique’? There’s being unique and then there’s being cruel and putting your already black, possibly female, offspring at even more of a disadvantage than they were born into.

        • http://www.facebook.com/courtney.banks.37 Courtney Banks

          No one bats an eyelid at other races of people when they give their kids traditional names from their culture. So why so much critique when blacks do it..

          • mannymota34

            Are these strange names “traditional”? Or are they meant to assert separateness from the White community? If so, fine – they work. But if you want to put tatoos on your face or speak incorrect grammar or not wash it WILL prevent you from certain opportunities. As others have said, we ALL have to assimilate into society to a certain degree. Do I like wearing a tie and buttoning my top shirt button at work? HECK no – but I DO it, cause I need that job. Perhaps certain people do not have to assimilate in some sense, but we all need to obey the law, pay our bills, and (hopefully) pull our own weight.

            • http://www.facebook.com/courtney.banks.37 Courtney Banks

              You’re right sadly, but there’s a difference between doing what you have to do to survive, i.e. pay bills, taxes. etc… and completely erasing one’s culture….

    • Wendyxqm

      Sure, keep trying to make white folks like you. You should be fighting for revolution instead.

  • Lakesha

    5. Pull up your pants; (Racist comment and does nothing on a whole for the black community)

    4. Stop using the “N word”; (Means Nothing)

    3. Respect where you live (Respect people?)

    2. Finish high school and (which will not provide a liveable income)

    1. Stop having children out of wedlock. (this will help anyone living in poverty not just black people)

    His comments do nothing but perpetuate the common trope of the ignorant/dumb violent yet sex crazied black person. Sounds like a person who is disconnected with people who are born in poverty, Note I said people, not black, latin, or native american, or white. Poverty and the many other cultural diseases related to it cannot be solved or helped by making blanket statements that cater to the racist beliefs of the entitled.

    • Lakesha

      by reviewing the thread I see that there are a lot of people that will disagree with me but to those I will say this. Continue to believe the myths that are spread about you and you will find yourself the weakest link. Just like the “more black men in jail than graduating college myth” or the “____ black male” ( feel free to insert gay, theiving, lazy, etc) and you are no better than Zimmerman or the people who have their beliefs and resolves strengthened by this bs.

    • Guest360

      Um…he’s not trying to solve poverty. He’s trying to get people to have and show respect to themselves and others. Small steps that’ll lend to future bigger steps and one day maybe solving tge problem of poverty. How you managed to get something negative from him telling others to pull up their pants and learning how to show respect is beyond comprehension. But I also noticed you didn’t offer up any solutions yourself. Just sayin. If his list wasn’t good enough for you than what do you suggest besides pessimism?

      • Lakesha

        I agree he isn’t trying to solve poverty; he is simply catering to racists. You don’t really believe that he is trying to get people to have and show respect for themselves and others do by saying these comments on Bill O’Rilley?? Who is his audience? I am sure that Bill’s audience have their pants pulled up quite high. But really, pulling your pants up comes from maturity little else. Rarely have a seen a grown man sag his pants. Teenagers and young men (lots of college boys) some thugs but mostly kids.

        My advice to advance our people is for those of us who fought our way out of poverty or who were born with parents who worked and gave us that footing to higher ground… is to volunteer, show up, be seen, and give. I believe that if more of us – not just celebrities reach out to our youth, not just patronize them, we will continue to grow as a people. Just my 2 cents

        • Guest360

          Honey you can have all the volunteers you want but if people don’t want to do better, then it solves nothing. That is his point. It starts at home, with us. How can you ask people to respect you and do right by you when you can’t respect and do right by yourself? I could give a damn where he says his message because guess what? Its spreading and hopefully getting to the right people which is what matters at the end of the day.

          • Lakesha

            Guest360 your opinion is your opinion and I expected you to disagree but you do realize if “people don’t want to do better” then his “message” will matter less than my volunteers. Helping out and showing up is only one way to help people in need. You can feed into the talk that marginalizes African Americans. Have at it.

            • Guest360

              Honey, the one that’s marginalizing African Americans is you by suggesting the problems that could easily be handled by us, be taken up by volunteers as if we aren’t fully capable individuals who can fix our own communities. Try as you might to make it so, we are not a crippled people. It just goes to show that Mr. Lemon is absolutely right just from reading your posts. You’d rather a great savoir (or saviors) come rescue us from despair rather than doing the hard work yourself. Sorry but that’s not going to cut it.

              • SEMINOLE

                BRAVO, GUEST360, BRAVO!!!!!

        • NatashaDecemberBabyThomas

          How is he catering to racists when it’s the truth? Stop being in denial and wake up! This is the problem in the black communities, we point the fingers at others for what’s going on in our community when in truth we are at fault and it’s up to us to change it.

  • Real Truths

    You can talk all the talk and give all the pointers you want. The answer is plain and simple. The one thing black people refuse to do…invest in their own people.
    1. Buy black
    2. Build black
    3. Invest black
    4. Respect the black man, black woman, black boy, black girl, black family and black community
    5. PROTECT BLACK–see #1-4!!!
    With all the talent and innovation black people have it’s a damn shame we have to go to “others” to purchase, build, patronize and even cases of marriage. The fundamental fleecing of black talent and money has to stop benefitting others and benefit us. With close to 1 TRILLION ANNUAL in black people’s sorry condition and still can’t do crap? Talk to the average black about ECONOMIC EMPOWERMENT through which all blessing flow, and they’ll look like they just saw bigfoot. It’s simple, act like people and we’ll become one again!

  • Fannelle FromNewyork

    Don Lemon has made some good points. I especially agree with not having children out of wedlock. It is extremely difficult to be a single parent. Why be a single parent by choice? Children are all by themselves with no one to guide them, teach them any values or show them love. When your mother is at work ALL THE TIME, how is she raising the kids? And the grandparents are older and tired. How can they keep up with a young developing person. Women are allowing men to shirk their responsibilities. Grandparents are replacing fathers and it’s just not right in so many ways. And I never understood not finishing high school or tearing up where you live. How does it help? You can’t blame the system for everything! On the day of the Rodney King verdict, someone shot at the front door of our home! How did that help? How did destroying the property of another black person send a positive message? Answer: IT DID NOT!

  • lia

    l like the responses below because I see more people taking responsibility and actually saying there is a problem and it needs to be pointed out without pointing another finger back.

  • Mwatuanghi

    Brothers, listen to Lemon. Just get a degree and go to college and you will end all the suffering in our community.

    • Guest360

      They’re not nonissues. Dressing like you got some sense and not like you just got out of the state pen matters. Hell it might even help you land that job with a 401k. At the very least it shows you respect yourself enough to put your best foot forward. Not saying you have to wear a suit but when you look good you feel good. Confidence is not a “nonissue”. Neither is showing respect and pride in your community by keeping it clean and making it so that children don’t have to grow up around broken beer bottles and drug paraphernalia. Not saying the n word is self explanatory. And I don’t know if you’ve seen the statistics for black children being raised in broken homes but its not good. None of these things are nonissues and i challenge you to try and make them so.

      • http://www.facebook.com/courtney.banks.37 Courtney Banks

        so why does the white guy who sags his pants have a better job chance than the black guy who does?? why does the white guy with a criminal background is more likely to get hired then the black guy with and without one?

        • prc

          My husband wouldn’t hire a black, white, blue, green , red or brown person, if he does not have the common sense to pull his pants up when being interviewed for a job. Nor would he hire them, if they can’ t speak intelligently. Why should he when his employees represent his business?

        • Guest360

          I have no idea where you’re living but where I come from, the white boy who sags his pants would be thrown out just as easily as the black guy. Sagging your pants is a sign of disrespect and hardly a black thing. Just look at New Jersey and their ban on sagging pants. So I’m not getting your point. Maybe you need to evaluate where you’re living perhaps?

      • Mwatuanghi

        Did you seriously read what I said? Secondly, those are symptoms of the problems. Dressing well isn’t going to stop people from stereotyping you as an intimidating thug and as a result, refusing to hire you over someone else. Over 70% of the private sector in fact is controlled by whites. Blacks are still twice as likely to be laid off and half as likely to be hired in contrast. And I’m sure plenty of them if not most of them “dress like they have some sense”.

        “Neither is showing respect and pride in your community by keeping it clean and making it so that children don’t have to grow up around broken beer bottles and drug paraphernalia.”

        You must not have heard about the NIMBY policy that whites have used for decades. You know what they did? Corporations literally dumped their trash and chemical waste into black neighborhoods, and whites did the same, treating our communities like garbage dumps. The effects of these policies still ring true to this very day – the infamous cancer alley comes to mind. In one of the neighborhoods I grew up in, the parks were basically decrepit and unfit for anything, the landlords never improved their properties and left them in near disarray while charging ridiculous amounts of money, the roads had not been paved over and there were large potholes, among other problems. Those are institutional problems that can’t be fixed by merely gathering litter. Given that in mind, not to mention how often states neglect these communities, any positive effects will not have the lasting impact they need as long as they aren’t enforced and maintained by the gov’t.

        ” Not saying the n word is self explanatory.”

        Not really. I don’t use the word, but it definitely doesn’t hold the same meaning the original slur does, regardless of what you’d like to think. Meaning can and does change with each generation and also depends on the group using it. Not saying the N-word won’t stop some jerk from calling me one or thinking I’m one, and saying it – especially when even people in our community decades ago were using it – isn’t anywhere near justification for a white person or any other individual using it to insult me.

        “And I don’t know if you’ve seen the statistics for black children being raised in broken homes but its not good.”

        And that too, has social issues that go far beyond the simplistic answers he offers.

        ” None of these things are nonissues and i challenge you to try and make them so.”

        Simply focusing on these things alone is worthless if we’re not going to deal with the things that cause these problems and the factors contributing to their perpetuation in the first place. Hence, in that respect, they ultimately become nonissues. They’re like poisonous fruit falling from a forest of trees that people end up consuming. You can ban people from eating that fruit and try your hardest to contain it from the public, but unless you uproot that tree itself, it’s simply gonna spread its seeds elsewhere and continue to populate that area. Of course they’re nonetheless important things to consider, but if we direct our attention on them alone nothing we can do will change or prevent them from continuing to happen.

  • Fair and Balanced

    Maybe now since this is not coming from fox or Bill O’Reilly it is believable or will more excuses be made as to why the Black community has for the most part fallen apart? Regardless of what is said many in our communities will find yet another excuse for continuing to do nothing but sit back and look for someone else to provide a handout or blame everyone else for their shortcomings when in reality all they need to do is look in the mirror for their inability progress ahead and live a well meaning life instead of a worthless existence which is a waste of the gifts that God has blessed each of with.

    • SEMINOLE

      You hit the right points squarely on the head. BRAVO!

      • Fair and Balanced

        Thank you so much, its long over due and many Blacks would rather make excuses than to take action maybe now it will be accepted since it came from a Black man but chances are he will be called every degrading name in the book and yet another excuse will be made for why many Blacks sit there and do nothing but blame someone else. Well I guess he is not part of the no snitch rule going around in many Black communities because he just told the whole truth and nothing but the truth about many Blacks to all of the Americas and beyond.

  • NatashaDecemberBabyThomas

    Gee, I agree with him, people just don’t like the truth I guess. I you want your hood to change for the better, it’s not up to the politicians or the police, it starts with you!

  • kassia

    I totally agree with him. I can’t believe you as the writer do not. With the breakdown of the Black family we see more crime, trash, and lower expectations from ourselves. This list is not the end all, but it gives you something to think about. No one in my family went from high school to college and graduated, but I did. Was it because I was around it, NO! I read, educated myself, had a caring family and made good decisions. Where you are born does not dictate your future. That is an excuse that lazy people use.

    • SEMINOLE

      Same here. So true and very well stated.

  • Rosemary Davis

    I must say that I am shocked too say the least that Goldie Taylor would have such a negative response she like Don Lemon got too where she is today because she applied herself so lighten up Goldie CNN has given you many opportunties to profile yourself along beside Don Lemon where would you be Goldie without CNN and others????

  • Rosemary Davis

    Don Lemon got where he is today because he applied himself and took advantage of education no one gave him anything further more he said what was needed too be said that’s the trouble with black people in general we don’t want too face the truth about ourselves and what’s going on in the Community.Chicago is a cess pool filled with dead black young men an women and yet we rant and rave about what’s going on and how nothing is being done about it but we judge those like Don Lemon who will dare and make us face the real problems and issues that are so prevelant.Until we clean up our lives on a moral and spiritual level have love and deep respect not only for ourslves but our neighbors as well then People like Bill O’Reilly and Don Lemon no longer twist our arms to make us see how debased that we as a people have become and that’s bankrupt from every aspect so don’t shoot the messenger take it for that it’s worth strive for excellance nothing less should be excepted for any of us.So kudos too Don Lemon

  • empresstala

    this is disgusting to me. i never see any white people on tv talking about what they need to change or giving their insight on how to better the white community. i actually don’t see any other race doing this sh*t. its always black people that need to change. im mean damn it’s like no other race does anything bad or annoying(and we all know that is not true)
    i’m sick of this double standard thing in the media. the picture they paint is not always the truth and is very biased. i wonder who green lights these segments anyway, im guessing it goes like this
    white boss: staff we need something to fill the 5 minute slot after the sports report…. i got it! lets a segment were we talk about ni**gers excuse me i mean “the black community” but let’s not make it racial. just tell them everything they do annoys the rest of the planet and make them believe it’s b/c they did have a dad growing up

    white staff member: yea and let’s get a black man to do it. the black community loves news content done from the perspective of a black man. i say we get Tyrone to do it.

    Tyrone: well i did grow up in the hood and i was in a street gang and went to jail 100 times before i turned my life around a found new white friends, so yes i will do the segment!

    white boss: great Tyrone now it wont seems racist b/c your a ni**er,i mean apart of “the black community” they will understand you.

    lol im just joking around but sometimes i really think thats how i goes

    • SEMINOLE

      You sound like a victim of your own stupidity. If you’re going to blast a site with your opinion, have the decency to use English correctly (proper grammar, punctuation, etc.). YOUR WORDS: “…i got it! lets a segment were we talk about ni**gers…ust tell them everything they do annoys the rest of the planet and make them believe it’s b/c they did have a dad growing up.” By using correct English, you will come across as more credible no matter what your thoughts might be. Suggest you review Don’s video and check out number 2 more carefully. Don’t know if you finished school, but if not, go back and finish. Don’t know what your age is, but it’s never too late to expand your education and knowledge. Then you can talk like you have some intelligence regardless of your opinion.

      • empresstala

        i did say i was joking around with that last part so don’t be so dramatic. typing and not editing is not a crime. its a mgs board, not a class room so take your pseudo teaching glasses off and take a seat on a thumb tack:)

    • Humbleknight

      This is a terrible take on this matter, IF everyone on the planet was black, id still co sign Don Lemon. We gotta do better for us, not for white people. The hell with white people. Blacks just need to put their best foot forward. We own nothing and spend all out money on shiny things white people produce. This is why I like those muslim brothas on the corner passing out newspapers. Im not religious but those guys DRESS LIKE MEN and not like COURT JESTERS.

      • empresstala

        every1 has an opinion and this is mine lol and btw putting a suit on and selling fruit and newspaper in midday traffic does not make some1 a better person

  • Mike

    Regarding “many people who are only surrounded by what they’ve seen growing up and don’t even know there’s another way to think about life.” Many pple who knew how I was treated as a child are surprised I never had a run-in with the law. I am an adult and I am responsible for my own actions, no matter my childhood environment. Adults believing that it is societies fault is just a self-fulfilling way of avoiding their own responsibility.

    To those complaining for Don calling out the issues of of the black community. No one else can, and it will not be fixed until the black community looks inward for its own salvation.

  • Diveta Cranford

    I believe Mr. Lemon has some very valid points and I do agree however what I don’t agree with is him going on television and lambasting black people and grouping us all together. There are a lot of people out there like myself who don’t sag their pants or use the “N” word, do take pride in where they live and do work and also do put in work in the community to make it a better place but its awfully hard to uphold a standard when you’re the only one trying. I get what the man is saying but let me give you a quick analogy…you could make a persons favorite meal with all the trimmings and it looks perfect and smells good but if you serve that meal on a garbage can lid well now its not going to be eaten now is it?

    • Marguerite

      But he did say he wasn’t talking about all. just the ones who are contributing to the decay of the community.

  • laloba

    IT’S ABOUT TIME SOMEONE HAD THE GUTS TO TELL IT LIKE IT IS. BRAVO, MR. LEMON FOR TELLING THE TRUTH. ANYONE WHO DISAGREE’S WITH YOU IS STUPID AND PART, IF NOT, ALL OF THE PROBLEM. Why anyone would hate you for voicing your advice is beyond me. For all the Lemon haters out there, if the shoe fits, wear it. Stop whining and follow his advice.

  • Barbara Codner

    I’ve been hearing about this Don Lemon thing all day but I’m just now reading what everyone is so up in arms about. I thought that he said disrespectful even untrue things. Looking at this list, I agree with everything on it.

    Like Don, I’ve lived with different ethnic/economic groups and I see what he sees. SMDH@ the author of this article for saying Don should encourage people to respect where they live. Are you serious? Are minorities that f*cked up that they need someone to tell them how to live like human beings?? Don’t you see what is wrong with that statement??

  • cece

    people are missing the point. will his 5 points solve black people ills? no of course not. but like you stated, its not without merit. WHY are the black neighborhoods in my city dirty as compared to the predominantly white ones? i take public transportation and i notice so many young people of color showing no respect for others, cursing, just acting a over all fool. young people having sex and making babies and being unwed is a issue. but at end of day these cross color line. WE ALL NEED TO GET IT TOGETHER which is basically what don was trying to say . now people was to attack him and deflect the issues that is plaguing us as a whole

  • Just saying!!

    I guess something is wrong with me because I agree lmao. Ah well. I don’t know much of anything about him or Bill O’Reilly for that matter, so perhaps people are judging based on previous things they’ve done, but I don’t think he was necessarily WRONG. He did neglect to incorporate societal factors into the equation, but honestly, if Bill Cosby or Harry Belafonte said this, would they be self-hating negroes as well, or would we interpret it differently?

  • Mrs. Teacher

    Don Lemon is 100% correct. We cannot do whatever we want to do. The black males with the sagging pants are a disgrace. They do not look cool. They look foolish and unsophisticated. Littering is a shame. There has to be pride in appearance and property. Men, do not father a child unless you are in a solid, strong marriage. Do not run around with an assortment of women. Your child/ren need you. Take your child to historic sites, a museum, a new town, a library. Let your child see you read books instead of the television on endlessly. Know you child. What does he/she like about school? Help them bake cookies, put a model car together, play chess. Do not ignore your children. They are more valuable than running around with women. Your children will run this country in the future. Impart some values on your children. Women, quit being stupid and having babies out-of-wedlock. Nothing could be dumber. For the love of God, raise your standards and quit having sex with every bum out there. Birth control, birth control, birth control.

  • zumibee

    Yes. Let’s assimilate. Then we’ll be cool.

    • Guest360

      Right. Because respecting yourself and those around you is what “they” do. Why would would we want to assimilate when we can destroy each other and ourselves? Such progress *sarcasm*

    • Mike

      When you look for a job, you are selling your abilities AND your attitude towards yourself and your job. Employers are going to put their money into people who they feel are able to do the job and they feel a connection to.
      If you want to work where the money is, you are going to need to try to make that connection with the people who are hiring for those good paying jobs. That means talking and acting like the president.
      As the old saying goes “when in Rome do as the Romans do”. Or you can keep that job at McDonalds.

  • Richard Garst

    FANTASTIC Don Lemon editorial about African-American means and ways to raise up these Americans, to finally, “The emperor has no clothes on”! Quite the best and most courageous analysis of this situation I have ever heard. A thousand thanks to Don Lemon!

  • Marguerite

    I completely agree with everything he said. Why do we act like it’s so hard to do right? Why get defensive about the truth?

  • prc

    How many more “conversations” do we need to have? We have heard, said and blamed it all before. Black parents must take responsibility for their kids from the minute they decide to have them. The mentality must change. Ignorance is not a genetic marker. It’ s a choice. The government is not responsible for our children choosing to drop out of school and parents allowing it. We are. We must hold the mirror up and take a realistic view of who and what we’ve allowed our communities to become. Blaming , throwing iinsults at African-Americans who dare to redirect the conversation to what we really are allowing to happen and not making the parents responsible for their/our kids has gotten us to this point. Pride, responsibility, and knowledge starts at home. No more excuses to fail but reasons to succeed .

  • Cat88L3

    I don’t see anything wrong with what he said. What does someone’s socio-economic status have to do with pulling up their pants, not littering, and respecting where you live? My parents certainly didn’t raise me with a trust fund, but my mom and dad taught me the basics of having pride in yourself and what you have.

  • Guest360

    I…..can’t say I disagree with him or what Bill O’Reilly said, and that’s saying a lot because I always dismiss what this out of touch nincompoop has to say about anything lol. Yes race relationships in this country is damn near in the dumpster and there’s much we need to fix on that front. But we as a community are so lost and confused. Scratch that. We’re not lost and confused. We know exactly what we have to do to elevate ourselves but we choose the easy way out instead of being willing to do the hard stuff. It’s far easier to put a needle in your arm rather than deal with your demons. It’s far easier to sell drugs and people on the street rather than getting a regular 9 to 5 where you have to work until you can’t work anymore. It’s far easier to be a “rapper” rather than finishing school and choosing a path where you don’t know what’s going to happen next. Until we start taking responsibility for what we’re doing, we’re always going to be stuck.

  • Heather

    I do not hate myself or other black people. For that reason, I actually agree with him.

  • Lisa from Philly

    I grew up in the burbs. Live in the city now, pretty much in the hood. Not by any means is this a cure all list, but some good starting points. I volunteer for lots of social programs and services. Sometimes we clean an area and people go back to littering anyway. But, people in downtown million dollar and up areas litter too. Difference is, they hire services to keep their areas cleaner and the city pays better attention to cleaning those areas as well. There was a time when our grand and great grandparents didn’t have much either but they swept their stoops and kept their areas clean. They had some pride about where and how they lived, how they dressed and how they represented themselves. The world has changed, some for the better, some not so much. Many have lost hope and their reality says to be happy with a small government check and some weed – don’t even think about going anywhere else or wanting more because it isn’t possible or realistic. They think this about themselves and their children. Some children see the light at the end and move on and out, most do not and continue the cycle of impoverished living and thinking.

  • Feather

    Writer of this article…I have a few questions?

    Why are his 5 points a social/economic problem?

    5. Pull up you pants…(what does this cost? why is this a social issue..portraying prison fashion)

    4. Stop Using the N word (what does that cost?)

    3. Respect you neighborhood (and why should he start a clean up….He just made you aware by stating this…everyone who heard him say this, should make a point not to EVER litter)

    2. Finishing High School (Education is free up until 12th grade)

    1. Stop having babies that you cannot afford (what does this cost?…you can get free birth control or better yet instead of making babies you could be pursuing education, cleaning you neighborhood.

    Your article has done more harm to the community than his statement. And those who don’t support these statements are REALLY the PROBLEM.

    All of these issues are something that each and every BLACK person can control on the OWN. We don’t need any assistance to handle these 5 steps.

    And how in the hell do we expect anyone to VALUE us…when we DON’T VALUE ourselves.

    • HUgrad13

      amen. when she said social and financial issues, i was like, huh? what things did he say specifically cost money or are something socially impossible to do? and who wants to live with litter? yuck.

    • SexNdaCity

      Tell it!

    • Marguerite

      Preach!! and referring to number 2, I thought that was utterly ridiculous. Why can’t you pick up your own ish?

    • Just saying!!

      AAAA TO THE MENNNNN!!

  • rainydaze80

    Did he just say @ss on tv? I agree with most of his points, especially having kids out of wedlock. We can’t build a strong community if we can’t build families. Having kids and having families are two different things.

  • bigcnash

    The Real Reason we dont get ahead as a people is because when A educated black man has a strong BUT very Accurate opinion about our dysfunctional culture, we label them a sellout or uncle tom, or they cant relate. We as a people our own worst enemy and need to stop being overly sensitive to poignant criticism.

    • BETTIE

      but that doesnt represent the majority of black culture tho./
      he does sound like an Uncle Tom

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  • Pam Johnson

    I blame the lazy white folk for it all – why did they need slaves if they weren’t lazy?

    • prc

      What plantation , and where, were your ancestors forced to serve as slaves ? What tribe and exactly where in Africa were your ancestors stolen from? How exactly has slavery impacted your ability to parent your kids, receive an education or succeed in the career of your choice? What were the civil rights activists fighting for? How have their achievements impacted your life ? No man will have the power to determine my success or failure. That’s my responsibility.

      • observant

        Its wonderful that you are determined and I applaud that but, you cant deny our societal disadvantages as African Americans. Do you think its a coincidence that most African Americans live in cities? Do you think its a coincidence that inner city schools have bad test results? Structural racism exists and still persists. I live in a city with a black majority and while 25% of the pop is white I never saw a white student in my high school. Taxes are very close to the taxes in the town over and yet they have better teachers and resources than my school. That town is mostly white.

        • Guest360

          What does societal disadvantages have to do with pulling your pants up or respecting your community enough to not litter it with trash? I don’t believe anyone is saying that the system isn’t rigged against us or that these things alone are enough to combat it. But I’m sorry. A lot of our problems originate with us. You can’t blame the system for why black babies are continuously born into unstable families where daddy doesn’t want to man up and mommy can barely take care of herself let alone a baby. Or why black men aren’t getting career opportunities when they make the choice to look like felons on any given day. It starts with us. As others have said, how can you demand respect from others when you can’t even respect yourself? It’s far time we took some responsibility for where we are right now.

        • prc

          If your schools are not performing at the level that you think they should be, what is the community doing to improve the academic performance of the students? The importance of receiving an education begins at home. Stop placing the responsibility of failure on everyone else. It’s an awful feeling as an African American parent/teacher to be presented with data on student performance that demonstrate most of our kids are performing below grade level in all ACADEMIC levels. What hurts more is being unable to provide any data to dispute the fact that our kids overall perform below all demographics, including ESOL students. Schools are there to provide an education, but schools alone are not there to provide an ethical understanding of why our kids must learn to value receiving an education. Stop placing the blame and looking for excuses. Please love our kids enough to encourage parents to do their jobs from day one. Give them reasons to succeed, not excuses to fail.

          • prc

            Being raised in the south, I have heard all of the racial stereotypical excuses that are out there. The metro area I live and work in has more opportunities for African-Americans to succeed than other southern states. Our kids are so creative , intelligent and talented. So it continues to frustrate me, when they are not capitalizing on those traits. Teachers have our kids for 8 hours a day, 9 months out of the year, and they move on. Sense of reponsibility, educational priorities, respectfulness and discipline should be our responsibilities as parents, to instill in our kids. If a teacher or school doesn’ t meet the needs of a child, parents have to be actively involved to ensure that this is not acceptable. If we don’t fight for, and prepare them for society, who will?

  • Happy

    I agree with him. You cant knock him for at least bringing up some changes that need to be made. If people are going to always criticize when someone brings up areas of improvement then where will we start? Yes…there are additional factors that need to be considered but at the end of the day regardless of those factors, changes HAVE to be made

  • Jenz

    The black people who disagree with this man are the main ones who are problem! You’re not my people you damn fools. Stay behind ya damn sheep.

    • BETTIE

      I disagree and I am not a problem. I take care of my business and my family.

      He is a wannabe uncle tom

      • toyag

        That’s what single mama in the projects say also. They living in gov. housing, can’t feed their kids without the gov.help. Yeah they are real productive to society.

  • Ms_Sunshine9898

    Stop making excuses for people! He’s right! Even if that’s all you’ve ever seen in your life, at some point you have to want better for yourself. Its all a personal choice. No one forces you to sag your pants, use the n-word, destroy the community with violence, drugs, and litter, drop out of school, or have all these babies without a marriage! You don’t have to be a conservative to see we have some problems in our community we keep making excuses for and don’t wanna address. Especially the babies out of wedlock, almost the root of the problem. . .

  • Bijou

    The truth may hurt, but needs to be said, and more often. You may be mad at the forum, but can’t refute the message. Not every point pertains to every ‘one’, but applies generally to the community. Stop wagging the finger at Don, but to the appropriate person(s).

  • moniqhar

    I agree with Don and the way he presented it.. i take offense tho when the messenger is foul himself.. a gay black man with a white partner makes me wonder if he has some self hate issues..

    • bluekissess

      Huh? I don’t think he’s the first black person with self hate. Self hate has been ingrained since slavery. Nobody wants to take the time to break the cycle

    • Nik

      Wait. What? I’ve never heard him denounce his blackness or exhibit any form of self hate. Why would him having a white… You know what. Nevermind. -_-

    • BETTIE

      exactly.

      I wonder if he moved his white boyfriend from Atlanta to Harlem? LOL

  • Candice D

    I find it very hard to agree with anything that Bill O’Riley says, but in this short snippet he was sadly but absolutely correct. I agree with what Don said, and I do not think he is as disconnected from the Black community as some may think. He is a Black man who has been successful in his growing career and still have concern for his own people, rather than pretend that we o not have issues. He sounded fed up with seeing the destruction of his own people, and exercised a bit of tough love. He made a statement, offered things to do, he is not trying to be a community garbage leader. The only issue I saw while I was watching, was knowing that the people who need to hear this are probably not watching CNN or reading this blog.

    • bluekissess

      Amen

    • Shak75

      The problem in our community is that black folks see this as airing our dirty laundry as opposed to taking the steps to wash it. None of the things Don listed cost a dime or are occur because of the man. We just have to not only strengthen our self worth individually, and collectively do the work which includes holding ourselves accountable for how we treat us. Imagine how much more powerful we would be as a people, in spite of racism, if we actually worked together.

      • Candice D

        Indeed Shak75, indeed.

      • hollyw

        “None of the things Don listed…occur b/c of the man”. Except #1: Stop having children out of wedlock..?

        • Shak75

          I’ll clarify: “The Man” meaning “The White Man.”

    • BETTIE

      Bill Oreilly is a BIGOT.

      He needs to start preaching this to his hero Zimmerman

    • cleva

      watch more than a snippet

      • Candice D

        LOL, no thanks, I can only take that tiny dose of that man.

  • enlightenment

    Well, I agree with some points and disagree with others. Many young black men who begin their college education cannot complete it (or even start it) because of the outrageously high price-tag on higher education. As a result, SOME (not all) fall into the “street culture.” because that’s all they know (as the author states) Others that don’t do the “gang” thing are just dealing with deadbeat jobs–so O’Reilly is WAY over-generalizing!

    Now, the other issue is the lack of clout young black men have in the workplace. White men are more established in the community, therefore young white men have better connections (aka Nepotism) Also! Discrimination. Studies HAVE shown that Whites are more likely to be employed than Blacks (and paid better, too). While the point that black men who enter a “bad life” is a personal choice may be true for a small percentage of black men, the ones that DO try are met with a bunch of obstacles!!

    Next, I do agree with Don Lemon on all his points. Although this 5-point-plan may not single-handedly improve the African-American household, I think it would improve how we view ourselves as Blacks and will uplift us as respectable people. Why do we keep perpetuating the use of the N-word, a word that Whites persistently used to torture people of color, among our community? Do we see white people callin’ each other cracka? Or Hispanics calling each other spics? NO. Everything else on the list I thoroughly agree with. But it’s all easier said than done.

  • Sharlotte

    Damn don…you do realize you’re black too right? he doesnt sound disconnected from blacks, he sounds like he’s in a whole other universe from us

    • bluekissess

      I think he knows he’s black he just said the pink elephant in the room that has plagued blacks for years. The truth tends to sting the ears

      • Sharlotte

        pink elepant? uncle toms have been around for years, he isn’t saying anything new

        • bluekissess

          Bitterness must run rampant. Why are people judging his character rather than paying attention to what his message was? If being an uncle Tom gets him through life then by all means go ahead. But, we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

          • peoplearesojudgmental

            Exactly!

          • Sharlotte

            its not that serious, no one is bitter can you make a point without being overly condescending?

            • bluekissess

              I absolutely can not. Have a good day :)

        • dee

          THE TRUTH HURTS! When are we going to wake up! We want other people to give us more respect than we do ourselves!

        • laloba

          Yeah, right. So now he’s an Uncle Tom for telling kids to get an education? He’s an UT for telling women that their kids very badly need a stable, mature, forward, two parent family? What do YOU suggest? You want people to wallow in ignorance? Is that your idea of progress? SMH…

          • toya

            You no some black women can’t face the fact that having a kid without a husband destroys a community.

            • Lahela Jean

              Then lets keep abortion safe and legal.

        • NOLAWOMAN

          uncle tom? going there huh? try he’s a decent educated human being. trying to gain respect for his race. you’re an idiot & “the” problem.

        • Forrealz

          All the guy is telling you to do is educate yourself and not throw trash on the ground and he is an uncle tom. God forbid anyone challenges you to stop making excuses for yourself and do something about it. How many blacks own business inside the hair industry? You’re a loser!

      • cleva

        He’s not saying anything new.

        I think people who are agreeing don’t really get the context. To agree with Bill O’Reilly is saying that racism is partly our own fault. That’s what O’Reilly’s rant was about.

        Thuggery wears a suit more than sagging pants. What he is talking about is poverty not blackness alone.

        • Forrealz

          Yeah well the thugs in the suits can afford food.

    • Jenz

      YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!

    • Chas

      I think black people who are “in a whole other universe” from the black people he’s talking about who need to make these changes he’s pointed out typically strive…

    • laloba

      That is why your “universe” is soo dysfunctional. What is wrong with telling people not to litter in order to keep their neighborhood pretty? Your “universe is self-imploding. You just don’t want to “get it”. As long a we are in denial more kids will kill each other and go to jail or the grave. I don’t want to live in your ever-growing, bad “universe”. It is time for a reverse in the current self-destructive “universe” that you inhabit. What’s so wonderful about your “universe”, because from what I can see, it is bad.

      • Lahela Jean

        Columbine, Sandy Hook, etc.
        Oh yeah and all the little white kids on the web boasting about how they could get a higher body count than the last shooter. Why don’t you take care of your community. As long as you live in denial more you will be put in a grave or put someone in the grave by someone that looks like you. And they know you’re vulnerable and distracted because you’re too busy looking at the guy that doesn’t look like you.

        • Forrealz

          Chicago, Detroit, Compton, Atlanta, more black bodies than any school shooting. Those are only cities too…

    • Forrealz

      I think you need to wake up.

  • Step

    It’s annoying that people have so much to say and they DO nothing but run their mouths!!! Sit all the way down Don!!!

    I read this somewhere and in my mind it fits this particular instance…
    This injustice system has been hard at work trotting out these celebrities who agree with the right wing in an attempt to whitewash the injustice and minimize our feelings. If you look at our history, there has always Always ALWAYS been those among us who are sell outs/apologists for this corrupt establishment. The more popular term is an UNCLE TOM.
    So I say don’t get upset when these apologists go on camera to defend injustice against our people. This is a common ploy and the oldest trick in their book!

    • bluekissess

      Well, what would you like for him to do? People need to wake up .this is no different from Dr. Cosbys frustration. It is all the way true. Respect respect and respect that’s what those five points boil down to. I think we all need to look at ourselves that’s where the change starts. It doesn’t start with a president or a man sitting behind a desk

      • hollyw

        …yeah, and a lot of people hate “Dr. Cosby’s frustration”, as well.

        • bluekissess

          Like I’ve previously mentioned. The truth tends to sting ears.

          • hollyw

            …as do lies.

            • bluekissess

              Agree to disagree. Thanks

      • toyag

        Yeah some blacks cant handle the truth. But I think his ga=y azz needs to sit down

      • Lahela Jean

        Back to the five points. Two of the points he made were on the mark
        1. Family
        2. Education
        Dr. Cosby and Don are actually listed as two causes of the breakdown of the African American family; Men fathering children out of wedlock, Gay men.

        Now I don’t hold either of them responsible for any level of the break down of the African American community. I do think that the way they broach the subject is not the least bit helpful. I think the president was very helpful with his approach to the subject. Informative and firm, holding black men and boys feet to the fire of responsibility without belittling them or being accusatory. Offering solutions instead of harping on the problem with “you/them people”

        Dr. Bill Cosby had a daughter strung out on narcotics, who he had to track down constantly when she was a student at Howard. His business partner (Dr. J) also had a child strung out on drugs who eventually died from his addiction. Both had children out of wedlock while married. Cosby daughter was convicted of attempting to extort money from him to keep this secret.
        Dr. Cosby blamed poor black parents the behavior of their children that were involved in acts outside of the straight and narrow. Should his and Dr. J’s acts be overlook because they are celebrities and men of means?

        • Forrealz

          Look at this idiot go…the reason men are fathering children out of wedlock is because it is difficult to marry your baby momma when you’re in prison. What percentage of the male black population is in prison ages 18 – 50? You know, the age of most fathers? Exactly, homosexuality and Bill Cosby are not the reasons the black family unit is falling apart. I mean what kind of backwards excuse making loser would even think that?

    • Jenz

      You are the problem!!

    • Chas

      lol your message tells me your exactly the kind of person who runs their mouth and does nothing. Sit all the way down in several seats STEP

    • prc

      How is the system keeping anyone from succeeding in life? “Uncle Tom” for actually attempting to point out tangible things individuals can actually choose to do? The mentality must change. The same excuses have been passed down over and over. Now we are really beginning to see the results. Slavery is not the reason our kids are dropping out of school . We are.

      • Forrealz

        Realize that when Genghis Khan rode into the northern part of Africa he destroyed so much culture, and killed so many people Egypt still hasn’t recovered. This happened nearly a thousand years ago. Now imagine how long it is going to take for the black culture to repair itself…most likely will never happen.

    • vanelle22

      I agree with you that some people run their mouths like I am now lol…..However you can only control yourself….And being in his position he is setting an example. He for instance does not wear sagging pants, nor do you hear him using the N word as his regular vocabulary (from what I seen on tv) he carries himself in a way that he is able to say those points he listed above. Now if he was Lil Wayne (example) saying all of these points…..we should be blasting dude

    • pugwis

      Crybaby. “Injustice”? Where? Who trots out these celebrities? Do you think there is some sort of “white conspiracy” to keep blacks “in their place”? Really? Walk to the front of the bus, it’s OK. You can sit there now, but you have to walk there yourself. The apologists for black culture, the Sharptons, Jacksons, Barries, and the rest keep blacks where they are. They give them reasons for not crawling out of the morass they’ve created for themselves. You can go to school and graduate out of high school. It’s OK.

    • Forrealz

      Nobody cares about you, nobody will ever care about you. Stop waiting for someone to notice your “hurt feelings” and help yourself, moron.

  • Nicholas. X. W. Williams

    You’ll be a fool for disagreeing with his points.

    • bluekissess

      I’m sure it’s a handful that will create ten excuses as to why he’s wrong. These five points isn’t written in stone but it could be a starting point. One user said people can’t afford college after the first year which is true but getting scholarships and financial aid can.

      • Feather

        How about working hard to save up for college. Or attending a community college, or taking one class at a time. Or spending less on tennis shoes, red bottoms, weave hair, designer bags, etc.

        Those who have attended schools, especially HBCU’s donate a minimum of $25 a year to the school…this alone would send a lot of Blacks to College. How about if every Black adult just donated $1 ….just think about how many kids could go to school.

        If we would start practicing some delayed gratification…we could solve most of our OWN issues.

        • bluekissess

          Amen

        • 7wonders

          Delayed gratification. Feather hit it on the head. Everything else rolls off from this! Stop behaving like a two year old (gotta have it now) be mature and actually think and plan for a better future!

        • Jamie

          So true. You told the truth. If we can people to donate money back to the HBCU’s that would go a long way. Sadly we give our money to people that don’t want us to buy their stuff. When are we going to wake up and support each other? I don’t know what will it takes to get us to understand that.

          • Lahela Jean

            From what I’ve seen in the board members’ pockets. Howard University had full enrollments and long waiting lists for years yet was 44 million in debt. How is that possible (and before you say tuition isn’t being paid, tuition must be paid in full or purge occurs)

        • Lahela Jean

          See what I’m saying? Not trying to be helpful, listen to that tone. The attitude of I’m doing all but these other negroes aren’t helping at all is not productive.
          Imagine if someone a bit more well off than you try to dictate to you how to spend your money. Worst yet imagine how you would feel if those same people made certain assumptions on how you were spending your money.

          Instead of lazily taking up the inaccurate arguments of others why not try to help and find solutions to these problems.
          Do you know how much those “red bottom” shoe you wrote about cost? More than a house note/rent, not to speak of food and other expenses. Your rant makes no sense, its like the people who claim poor single mothers use their welfare or food stamps on them things. Just how much money do you think these people are getting!? If they were buying all of the things that you and these people think, obesity wouldn’t be a problem in our community because they couldn’t afford to eat.

          • Forrealz

            He did have a solution, get some self-respect and start by dressing appropriately and not throwing trash on the ground. Pretty easy, funny you’re having a hard time understanding the concept. Yes, poor single mothers do use government aid to buy bullshit. Where have you been? Have you even known anyone on government assistance?

      • Fair and Balanced

        Well said, that is just an excuse on their part. There are work study programs that colleges offer specifically for those that may fall short of full financial aide payoff. I am a widow with 2 daughters and unemployed yes things are hard and I am looking for a good position. I have 2 MS Degrees and will finished with my Doctorate in 4 months, I have to pay a little extra for one of my daughters who is now in college but the college was even willing to work with me to lower what I had to pay to make it easier she was also given a scholarship to help pay for college financial aide handled the rest. My other daughter is in private school and they too have provided scholarship money from donors who help pay for her schooling again no it is not easy and I am struggling but my daughters were raised knowing they had no other choice but to further their education and become meaningful citizens in a society that is hard to live in at times. Public colleges are a gold mine for those who need help as they are set up for students to have work study programs that will not take away time from their studies it really comes down to whether or not a person wants to do it. I understand that college is not for everyone how about trade schools? There is so much out there we need to stop looking for excuses and just go for it. Yes its hard to pay back student loans but with an education it will be a little easier, its better than what many of us are doing which is illegal or doing nothing at all but waiting for someone else to offer a handout.

        • Lahela Jean

          So how is what you describe (donations) not a handout? I know its layabouts in the African American community but they are no way in the majority. And by the by African Americans in no way have the market cornered for layabouts and slums. Take a drive about and check out the trailer park communities.

          • Forrealz

            Stop saying African-American you moron, they are black.

    • DeenaJacobs

      Exactly! Who is this person that is asking him to say more in his limited time slot on TV. He summed it up quite good if you ask me.