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Exclusive: Jill Scott Talks Heartbreak & Why Love Is Still Worth It

July 24th, 2015 - By Jazmine Denise Rogers
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Hip Hop music is cool, but I’m an R&B music lover to the core. And as we’ve all noticed, the genre is not what it used to be. Thankfully, we still have gems like Jill Scott, who released her first album in four years today. After listening to the project in its entirety, I can say that the wait was worth it. Jilly from Philly rarely disappoints. We were able to catch up with the Grammy Award-winning songstress prior to the release of Woman, and she was an open book as she discussed love, heartbreak and raising a camera-shy 6-year-old in the age of social media.

MN: Woman‘s release date was scheduled closely to the 15-year anniversary of your first album, Who Is Jill Scott?. It feels like the first album poses a question while the latest offers an answer. Was that your intention or is it just a coincidence?

No, actually, I was going for that. And I’ve been making an attempt to answer the question every album. That’s been a part of my little journey.

MN: Your single “Fools Gold” resonated with so many women because it was so honest and relatable. Do you ever feel like you need to hold back because you’re too real in the studio?

Yup. But I think that’s what being an artist is all about. To me anyway. The artists that I enjoy are rough and honest. Salvatore Dali is one of my favorites. He’s an artist. He put his blood and his sperm and his urine and his skin into his artwork. I think that’s just a part of my musical testimony that I live a life, and sometimes I get things right and sometimes I don’t and I sing about it.

The plan is to offer other people the understanding that we don’t really always get it right. Sometimes, we fail at love and things that we hoped would work out. I want women to know, particularly in this hard-hearted world, that it is still worth it. Men too. It’s still worth it. Love is still worth it! You might get your feelings hurt. You just might. But that is the risk that you take. If you are someone who seeks thrills and you jump off of a building, there’s a big possibility that the parachute will not open. There’s also the possibility that you’re going to see something that nobody else could see in this moment but you. I find that to be invigorating and life affirming.

Money does not make everything alright. Being hot or sexy to many other people is not going to make everything alright. You gotta go through the fire. So I’ve been going through the fire. I’ve been experiencing living, and I’ve been doing it for quite some time now. I see the difference from when I was a younger girl to where I am now. I wouldn’t change anything. I wouldn’t change it for the world. I like this headspace. I wish I could have my 22-year-old body back. That would be awesome, but I can enjoy this, and grow and learn and inspire others not to give up. Just keep going. Keep going, regardless of how hard society may appear to be.

MN: Well, that’s encouraging.

That’s the plan. I’d rather talk real shit. 

MN: Part of being a woman is being a mom, and I know that at a recent show in Harlem you stopped a photographer from snapping a photo of your son. How do you manage to shield him from the spotlight in the age of social media and camera phones?

I wouldn’t mind if he didn’t mind. He said he was uncomfortable, and that’s the kind of kid that I have. He’s going to communicate how he feels. He said, “I’m uncomfortable.” I watched his mouth, and that was enough for me. So I asked her to stop. 

How do I protect him? He’s around some of it. Of course, I use my discernment as his mother, and I ask him what he’s okay with. We talk about it beforehand. We might get somewhere, and I’ll say, “You coming on stage with Mommy?” He’ll say, “Yeah!” But then the time comes, and he sees all those people and feels all of that energy and he doesn’t want to. And that’s alright. That’s okay with me. He doesn’t ever have to come on the stage if he doesn’t want to. He’s the best boy I ever knew. 

MN: Speaking of the digital age and social media, it’s sort of like the gift and the curse. I imagine that it’s frustrating when people you don’t know are spewing negativity your way just because they woke up and are having a bad day. But you always seem to handle them well. How do you pick and choose which comments you decide to respond to and which ones you let slide?

I don’t know. It’s not really a conscious decision when it comes to answering these things. Sometimes people are so angry that I just block them. I don’t want to hear or read anymore that you have to say because you’re so off base, and you’re so angry and it has nothing to do with me, actually. I realize that. Then, sometimes, I address things because I think that I could possibly help someone to understand. But at the same time, it’s really not my job to make you understand me. But I’m allowing you to see me. This goes right back to the Salvatore Dali and the artists that I love; I’m allowing you to see me. I’m not selling my soul for anyone or anything.

I need—as a woman, as a mother, as an arist—for people to get this. Love is currently very watery, and when it gets hot, it just evaporates. I don’t subscribe to that notion. If you love, then you do. Hard and sincerely. If that means that you take an L for it, then you just may possibly have to do that. But guess what? You learn. And if you’re blessed to live another day, you can share that experience as well. 

MN: Speaking of love, a while back you shared that one of the ways that you knew your marriage was headed for divorce was that your ex-husband stopped eating your food. Why do you believe something like that is a telltale sign that a relationship is probably in trouble?

Well, you know me. I believe that there’s always a part of family and love in the kitchen. Whether you’re making lemonade or something a little fancier, love is in it. Imagine your mother has slaved over a meal. She’s made a great effort to make you a delicious meal, and you don’t eat it. She might take the L once, or twice. But after a while she’s going to feel some kind of way and after a while, she’s going to stop cooking altogether because you don’t appreciate it. It was one of those things where I just didn’t feel appreciated, and it was a big sign to even bigger signs. 

MN: What would you like listeners to walk away with after hearing Woman in its entirety?

I would say that you’ve been privy to a journal entry—many. You know, we write in our journals sometimes, everyday. Then sometimes, you skip a month, or skip three, and then you go back to your journal and you see where your head was. You see what you were thinking and how you were feeling and you say, “Aw, dag. I was really bugging,” or “This is where my life started to change. This page. I’ve grown here. I see myself here.” I have journals from when I was 12. I don’t know what they’re going to get out of this album, but I do know that I’ve made a concious effort to put a lot of incredible musicians together for it. It stands many genres of music and the core is storytelling. I think I’m a storyteller more than people give me credit for being a singer, and I appreciate that. But I think I’m a storyteller, really. My voice and energy merges into whatever it needs to tell the story. That’s the most important part for me. So if you relate to something, or you can see the pictures, great. And I hope that it fills your nights and your days and it will be in the background when you write your journal. 

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Pass Or Play? Jill Scott Sings About Breakup Sex In Funky, New Song “Closure”

July 17th, 2015 - By Veronica Wells
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If there’s one thing Jill Scott knows how to do, it’s sing a girl’s life story. And it seems like there’s going to be a lot of that on her appropriately titled album Woman. We were already feeling the singles “You Don’t Know” and “Fools Gold.”

But Jill sped up the tempo with her latest single, “Closure.”

It basically tells the story of a woman who sleeps with her ex for one, last time before moving on.

Check out the lyrics.

Don’t be expecting no breakfast in the morning babe,
You got all you gon’ get.
This is it.
This is closure. 

We ended our time for a reason
Our trouble was never pleasing
each other. We got the right seasoning
That ain’t enough to plant our dreams in.

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This song here, is in your face funky with clear percussion, piercing horns and of course Jill’s gritty, soulful vocals.

I love it! So much so that I had to add it to my iTunes collection with a quickness. Take a listen to the song below and let us know if you’re feeling it.

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Jill Scott Admits She Was Wrong About Bill Cosby: “It Hurts!”

July 7th, 2015 - By Jazmine Denise Rogers
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Grammy Award-winning vocalist Jill Scott, who defended Bill Cosby against previous drugging and sexual assault allegations, announced that she is no longer standing behind the troubled comedian. The declaration came in a series of tweets posted to the singer’s Twitter account Monday.

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You may recall, when sexual assault allegations surrounding the actor resurfaced last year, Scott jumped to her mentor’s defense and accused the media and society of “trying to destroy a magnificent legacy.”As previously reported, in court documents obtained by the AP from a 2005 deposition, Cosby confessed to purchasing Quaaludes with the intent of giving them to young women with whom he wanted to have sex.

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Jill Scott’s New Album To Hit Stores Next Month!

June 16th, 2015 - By Jazmine Denise Rogers
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Brace yourselves, ladies and gentlemen. Jill Scott will be blessing us with a new album in less than forty days.

According to Billboard, Jilly from Philly has chosen to title the new project Woman. We’ve already had the privilege of hearing two singles from the highly anticipated album, “Fools Gold” and “You Don’t Know.”

Scott, who executive produced the album along with Andre Harris and Aaron Pearce, describes the project as “classic Philly soul meets country rhythm served with captivating storytelling.”

As previously reported, Jill will be kicking off her summer tour next month. Woman is scheduled hit stores July 24.

We are totally here for this.

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Pass Or Play? Jill Scott Gets Love Wrong Again In “Fools Gold”

May 5th, 2015 - By Jazmine Denise Rogers
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We’ve all been there before. You swore up and down that you found Mr. Right, but as it turns out, he was just a really great impersonator. Back at square one, you sit and wonder why you didn’t pay closer attention to the glaring signs that told something wasn’t right.

That’s exactly what our girl Jill Scott sings about on her new single, “Fools Gold,” which was co-written and produced Andre Harris. I was initially apprehensive about checking out this track when my co-workers first told me about it. With spring in full swing, the last thing that I wanted to hear is another depressing song about love gone sour, but I was pleasantly surprised after giving “Fools Gold” a try. Jilly from Philly definitely doesn’t disappoint with this smooth-sounding track.

Jill sings:

I was living the dream believing things that just ain’t true
Oh I can’t believe I ever believed in you
You had me chasing fools gold
I was chasing fools gold
I was chasing fools gold

According to Billboard, Jill will be kicking off her summer 2015 tour Monday, July 13 in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

Listen to “Fools Gold” below and let us know if you’re passing or playing.

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Is It Okay To Crush On Someone Who ISN’T Your Man?

April 19th, 2015 - By Brooke Dean
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My husband is not one to watch reality TV. Wait, let me clarify. He is not one to watch MY reality TV shows – Love & Hip Hop, The Real Housewives of Atlanta and basically any reality show that features “ratchet broads fighting each other pulling weaves and throwing drinks.” His words, not mine…although he’s not too far off in his assessment. Though, they are my guilty pleasures, he rarely indulges with me…until one day he caught a glimpse of Hollywood Exes. Suddenly he was sitting down with me watching the show intently. I think I even caught him searching the DVR for an episode he missed.

While that show was watchable, it lacked the explosive antics that garner huge ratings other shows featuring mostly women have commanded. So why the interest in THIS particular reality show? Two words: Nicole Murphy. It suddenly hit me – my husband had a new crush.

I say new because he’s had several that I’ve known of over the course of our relationship. Jill Scott, Nia Long, Beyoncé, Rihanna…the list goes on. I actually think it’s cute how he tries to downplay his crushes to me, or say things like, “(insert celebrity here) is hot like you are” or something along those lines. While I appreciate the compliment and know that he thinks I’m beautiful, I know what he’s really trying to do is reveal his celebrity crush to me in a way that is non-threatening and respectful. And I appreciate that.

However, let’s be real for a second. The chances of him actually meeting his celebrity crushes are slim. And the chances of them actually giving him the time of day if he DOES meet them is even slimmer. Don’t get me wrong, my husband is charismatic, charming and FINE! But his fantasies are less likely to become realities, so I simply smile when one of his crushes pops up on the big screen or one of their songs plays on the radio. It’s just not that deep to me.

But what if your man had a crush on a co-worker, or the woman who makes his latte at Starbucks every day? Would it still be a big deal? Would you want to know, and if so, would you consider it disrespectful to have a crush on someone he actually has a shot at?

Just because we’re married or in a committed relationship doesn’t mean we can’t notice and appreciate an attractive person who isn’t our mate. While I only have eyes for my husband, I’m not blind and can see that Idris Elba could certainly get it – if I wasn’t married of course. But that’s Idris Elba…not the FedEx guy who delivers packages in my neighborhood. If I told my husband I was crushing on Idris, he wouldn’t care. In fact, he’d probably think I liked Idris because they favor each other. Yes, he’s that vain.

But if I told him I had a crush on the UPS guy, he’d suddenly be paying attention to my online shopping habits and tracking how many packages I had delivered from the Gap. Now, my crush isn’t so silly anymore when it’s a guy he thinks I could snag in real life, not just a fantasy celebrity crush.

So where do we draw the line? I think it depends on the intensity of the crush and the state of your marriage. If your crush is someone you see on the subway or at the gym but you’re still madly in love with your husband or your partner, then the crush could be considered innocent. But if your crush is your coworker whom you spend 8 hours a day with and your marriage is on the rocks, then I’d say your crush could become your mistress or your side piece if you’re not too careful…assuming they reciprocate your affections.

For me, the ideal crush situation would be with someone you either have no chance with, ie: a celebrity, or someone you wouldn’t be afraid to tell your significant other about. It assumes that you realize that while he or she may be fun to look at and even flirt with, you know that the fantasy of him or her is way more appealing than the reality of them…and that the reality of your REAL life crush – your husband or your man – is all you really need. Sure, crushes are fun and can distract you from the mundane for a bit; but if you find that your crush is occupying your mind way more than your man is, something is wrong. No one should take the place of the one you’re in an actual relationship with. Your ultimate crush should the one you go to bed with and the one you wake up to…and who you watch Hollywood Exes with.

Pass Or Play? Jill Scott Sings About The Perils Of Love In New Single “You Don’t Know”

March 17th, 2015 - By Veronica Wells
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Normally, when we feature a new song, we ask y’all pass or play? But I’m just going to let you know right now that there’s really no need to pose the question. Jilly from Philly came back with a vengeance with the surprise release of her new single, “You Don’t Know.”

Jill has been everywhere recently. Showing up in movies, defending Bill Cosby on Twitter and even snagging a magazine cover or two. But the way we came to know and love her, the music, seemed to take a backseat. The video for the new single, seems to prove that the music didn’t take a backseat. But instead proved that in the four years since Light of The Sun was released, she’s just been cooking up in the lab, putting in her good work. And now, it’s finally ready for us to hear.

“You Don’t Know, is a bluesy, horn-heavy and desperate ballad about a woman who has been through it all–in the name of love.

Far too many of us can relate. So Jill had to bring her special brand of authenticity to this one. You can’t fake this type of pain. And barefoot with mused hair and her face all tore up, she did just that. The emotion is palpable.

Take a look at the video below and let us know play or play?

Celeb Hairstylist Felicia Leatherwood On Working With Ava DuVernay, Natural Hair On The Red Carpet And Naturalistas Abroad

February 22nd, 2015 - By Victoria Uwumarogie
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Felicia Leatherwood is one busy woman. The celebrity hairstylist, who is based out of LA, stays with heads in her chair. “It gets so crazy!” she tells me, and she’s not kidding. Leatherwood is often so busy perfecting coifs for her clientele that she was actually doing hair while we were having our interview. But that’s what happens when your work goes viral and you’re the go-to hair guru for the likes of naturalistas like Ava DuVernay, Teyonah Parris and Jill Scott. We chatted about how she linked up with DuVernay, what magic she’ll work on the director’s hair for today’s Oscars, and how having locs and natural hair in general on the red carpet impacts women trying to embrace their hair abroad. Leatherwood is taking part in the fourth annual Natural Hair Academy expo in Paris, which takes places on March 21. She’s looking to teach everyone, from celebrities to everyday women with limited access to products and natural hair knowledge, how to love and manage their hair.

How She Connected With Ava DuVernay

There’s a young lady named Teyonah Parris. I did her hair a couple years ago when she was on the SAG Awards red carpet. It was a natural hairstyle. It went viral and people knew me from doing Jill Scott, but they really started seeing what else I could do with that hairstyle. It was a sculpted updo. Ava admired that and we met at a dinner, and she was like, “Oh my God, you’re Felicia! I want you to do my hair.” I said “sure.” We were introduced by Afrobella. That’s how it came about. But she knew me from my work with Teyonnah, basically.

What She Has Planned For Ava On Oscar Sunday

That’s a good question. I make this stuff up as I go. I don’t always have a plan for the hair. I kind of just let my ancestors guide my fingers and my creativity and just come up with stuff. I love doing natural hair, so for me, it’s just about being creative and letting that part of me come out when I’m working the hair. It’s something that just kind of happens.

What Seeing Natural Hair On The Red Carpet Means To Her

At the end of the day, I want people to be comfortable with whatever they’re wearing. If it’s natural, I want them to love it. If it’s straight, love it. You gotta just own your hair. But the opportunity I get as a hairstylist is to create something based on what’s already beautiful about you, but just put more of that out there. I’m proud to be a part of that process. I love working with Ava. I have a lot of fun because she’s not just natural, she has locs. You don’t often get a chance to see locs showcased in a way where people start taking notice and saying, “Wow, I might want my hair locked as well!” Locs are becoming a big thing right now, which is really interesting. But people like Ava, in being able to do her hair and show how beautiful locs can be, and look, and how professional and glamorous they are–it’s making people rethink what locs originally were.

The Number One Hair Question She Always Gets

It’s all about moisture. That’s the biggest thing. A lot of people don’t know what their hair is supposed to feel like. Some people’s hair is supposed to feel dry. That’s what it is. You can soften it when it’s wet, but once it’s dry…you have to understand our lineage: Who we are as a people, African people, the region in which we originated is hot. If you have straight hair in heat that’s like 105, 108, 109 degree weather, your hair would burn off. They had to have this hair in order to protect themselves. We’re not used to that because things have changed a lot for us. We think we need to have everybody else’s hair. You need to have your own hair and make sure you’re treating that the best possible way. The best way to treat your hair is to put things in your body that help the hair survive and grow and be strong. The best way you can treat your hair is to not be stressed out. Yoga helps the hair to grow! All the oxygen that gets to flow in the body is what gets the blood to flow to stimulate more hair growth. Drinking water is important. And I think a lot of times, people talk about their hair being dry, and I think it’s because they don’t have all those elements together. Some people are supposed to naturally have dry hair depending on their texture or curl. Other people? You can always put something on it. But a lot of times, I have women who have tried every product under the sun and still have dry hair. And when I feel their hair, it’s the kind of dry that’s supposed to be natural. It’s not the kind of dry that I feel like, “Okay, something is wrong here.” I know what that feels like. There’s a way that your hair should feel naturally that I think women need to be introduced to.

On Traveling Around The World Teaching About Natural Hair

What I do is I travel around and do events like the Natural Hair Academy, and I show women what their hair is supposed to feel like. I let them know that it’s okay where it’s at right now. There’s nothing wrong with your hair.

How She Got Involved With The Natural Hair Academy

About four years ago, women in Europe started asking me to conduct workshops. So I decided to go overseas and bring the knowledge we have here, there in person. I started in London, and then Chimole [Williams], who I’ve been working with for a while, and I like her a lot, she introduced me to the Paris group and said “Hey, they need your help over here. Women are asking about you over in Paris. Would you be interested?” And I said “sure.”

We have access to a lot here in the States. So when you start traveling outside of the States, it’s not the same thing. I try to take my knowledge to other places, and be there firsthand so people can come and consult with me and find out about their hair. I teach them product knowledge. I teach them which products are the best for their texture of curl. And I love going over to Europe and feeding that market. The women there, they’re more engaged and more appreciative of the fact that I traveled. They show up in droves. The Natural Hair Academy is very successful, and every year it has been successful. It’s grown leaps and bounds from the first time I ever worked with them.

The Lack Of Access To Products For Black Naturalistas Abroad

That’s the problem. Getting these products out to these women in other places. I go to Africa, I go to Europe, and they just don’t have access. Brazil does not allow our products to come over into their country. There are a few brands that have gotten there, but it’s not easy. You might have women in Brazil asking me how they get the products that I mention. There are people in the Caribbean trying to get a hold of products. So the natural movement is slowly growing, but it’s not as dominant as it is here for us. You can walk up the street and get what you need here, but they go through a lot. Especially when you even talk about Africa. Ordering? By the time it goes through customs and everything gets filled out, it’s like, “Wow.” Their money is spent and they don’t always get what they ask for. I’ve been going back and forth there as well. It’s a whole different thing, including in Nigeria. I’ll be there in May to train some of the stylists there about natural hair.

What She Wants Frustrated New Naturalistas To Know

Women who are struggling and having a hard time, there are three things they need to do: If they’re going to follow someone on YouTube, they should follow someone who has a texture like theirs! You have to. If you’re looking at a woman like Tracee Ellis Ross’s hair and wanting that, but your texture is more like Lupita’s hair, that’s not reasonable. You’re defeating your purpose. Both those women have gorgeous hair, but you need to follow someone whose hair is more on the level of what you have.

The other thing that they need to do is find out where the next natural hair show or meetup is in their town and go to those meetups. You can connect with women who definitely have hair that’s similar. Find out where they go and who does their hair and see if there’s a natural hairstylist in the area that can help assist someone who’s transitioning.

And they need to have a friend who is natural. And to tell them that you need support because you’re trying to do this thing but you just don’t know what to do and you’re having a hard time and you’re ready to give up. If you let somebody know that before doing it, they will help you, because they want you to hang in there. Being natural for a lot of women is not only about, “Oh I’m wearing my hair natural.” It’s also representing that I’m accepting who I really am and I’m loving it. That’s important for any woman of any shade or color to get–love for self. We grew up with a lot of self-doubt and self-esteem issues from some childhood and teenage years. So to become a woman and finally be in a position to say, “I’m feeling beautiful about what I have” is a big, big deal. So I encourage them to talk to someone who has done the journey and has been successful with it.

Love Songs Inspired By Real People

February 13th, 2015 - By Kendra Koger
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The beauty of most love songs is the fact that you can identify them with a special person in your life (past, present, or future).  But when you find out that the song was written for a particular person, it makes the lyrics more tangible and the hope for true love more attainable.  Though many of these relationships didn’t last, we still have these songs as artifacts of a relationship that was so strong that the writers wanted to mark their union in lyrical prose.  With that, let’s go through a list of songs that the writers revealed were dedicated to a particular person when penning the lyrics.

Iggy Azalea In Her Feelings Over Jill Scott And Eve’s Comments About Her “Blaccent”; Scott Responds: “Chile Please”

January 29th, 2015 - By Victoria Uwumarogie
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Late last week, Eve and Jill Scott stopped by Sway in the Morning to promote their Lifetime movie, With This Ring (which was a big hit by the way). During their chat with Sway, the conversation turned to Iggy Azalea. Considering that Eve is a popular rapper before she’s an actress, it makes sense.

Both women shared their honest opinions on the Australian MC, with Eve trying to be as kind/diplomatic as possible, and Jilly from Philly keeping it all the way real.

When asked her thoughts on Iggy Igg, Eve had this to say during the chat:

“At the end of the day I get it. I get that people might be upset about certain things, but, yeah she’s white, but they grew up with our shit. Hip-hop is everywhere — every neighborhood, every country, every city — and it didn’t just hit. Yes it’s from us and it’s our thing but she’s representing a group of girls right now as well. I think people right now are too quick to give too many accolades to new people. That’s the one thing I just can’t stand. Let her do her thing. It’s not my cup of tea but she’s representing for somebody. She’s doing her thing. What are you gonna do?”

As for Jill, she said that Azalea sounds like a rip of a few different popular rappers, and that stops her from really getting into the “Fancy” rapper’s music.

“It’s a little challenging for me, because I come from the era that she pulled from. To me, it’s a mixture of Da Brat and Eve. That’s what it sounds like to me, so that’s a little challenging for me. But I’m a mixture of Sarah Vaughan and five other things so for somebody else that comes from that era, they’d be like ‘You aight.’ So that has been the only thing that stops me, is that I know where that comes from. It sounds like a big bite to me. The tone of the voice.”

Eve also made it clear that there is one aspect of Azalea that she’s not feeling: the whole accent thing.

“The ‘blaccent.’ Is that horrible? A lot of people gonna get mad at that, say what you want, but fuck it. I’m saying it in a sense that, she’s from a different place. I’ve said this before, It would be dope to hear her with her swag. What are you, who are you and what is that? That’s the only reason I say that. [Australians] are so dope. That’s my only thing about it. I think she’s fly, she’s good to look at, I think she’s a pretty girl and she has a dope body, all of that’s fine, but I just wish there was a little bit more of possibly inserting where she came from.”

Well, Iggy felt some type of way about those statements. She had this to say on Twitter yesterday:

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But Jilly from Philly was sure to let the rapper know that she wasn’t trying to stereotype her at all. She just likes what she likes, and doesn’t like what she doesn’t like. Period.

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No comment yet from Eve, but you can check Eve and Jill’s original comments from their Sway interview below. The conversation about Iggy starts at the 8:15 mark: