9 Reasons Why YOU Think Chivalry is Dead When It Isn’t

October 12th, 2011 - By LaShaun Williams

Men aren’t stupid. Even fatherless, Trick Daddy-looking clones know what they are supposed to do.  It doesn’t take a Harvard MBA to open and close car doors. What it does take, however, are seemingly desirable qualities.

Chivalrous behavior is no longer the norm, because it is not required. Gone are the days when women expected men to open, hold and close doors for them. Many would rather do it themselves to demonstrate their “independence.”  Others (due to absent fathers and/or negative experiences) don’t know where to set their expectations; consequently, not setting any at all. Men adhere to what is demanded of them, which is the reason some women are professional jump-offs while others keep getting wifed.

Wondering why men don’t court you with class? You may be guilty of the following:

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  • R.I.P Chivalry

    women are so easily guided dont deny it. thats why womens three different movements have gained such support and momentium. these killed chivalry. they didnt want men, thats fine but they made it so men will not want women and women just want be able to find a desirable suitor cause their of higher economic standing than the men. that makes men not necessarily intimidated but yea they dont want to marry a women who is already well adjusted to being single plus she most likely will have trouble reproducing by this time….. this is happening to many right now and their numbers are growing and it will get bigger as men opt to not go to college and settle with doing the worlds grunt work.

  • John

    Why is chilvary only towards men and not towards women? Women were expected to tkae care of their men by taking care of the kids and house and men were expected to work and bring money, to support the family. These days women find it sexist to expect them to take care of the man yet they find it perfectly expectable to demand a man do such and such for them. Double standard.

    One example, the Concordia Tragedy: Women called the men who ran off the boat cowards for not letting them off the boat first, they freaked out and ran off. They were called cowards and all sorts of names yet the women who freaked out and ran without helping, nothing was said of them.
    Anyone in a situation like that might react in a number of ways but to
    only pick out the men and only call them cowards is complete sexism.

    Women also said that men are using feminisim as an excuse not to
    put them first in itself is sexist. So bascially you’re saying men are here to
    serve women. No, feminism isn’t about equality (at least not these days), it’s
    about fighting for women and anything for men should be ignored.

    Some women keep stating that things for women are still unequal and sexist these days… so so flawed and incorrect. Things have
    changed.

    To all those women who called the men in this situation cowards (and don’t say
    anything about the women): You are a sexist, you probally think men caused all
    the evil things in the world completely ignoring all those evil women who’ve
    killed, etc. I bet you never brought up the men’s point, ie why do men have to
    pay on dates, be chivalrist, etc. You only look at the things expected of women
    in the past yet don’t look at the things that were expected of men. Men had to
    work in the coal mines, steel industry, etc to feed their families while women
    got to stay at home (even the ones who didn’t have any kids) and all the money
    and food that were provided men had to work for. If men plotted against women
    why the hell were so many more things expected of men (and STILL are, women get
    to choose to stay at home or work, men still are expected to work, to take care
    of the woman WHY?!)

    Men were expected to take care of women and women were expected
    to take care of men. Feminists stated this is an ideal from the so-called
    patriachal society and they said this isn’t equality. Things are still expected
    of men but to say that a woman should take care of men, feminists, call it
    sexism.

    It should only be “children first” nothing more nothing less. Men
    and women SHOULD be equal and this is equality.

  • bringoldfashionback

    I don't believe that chivalry is dead. I am making it may business to wait on a man that can show common courtesies and be a gentleman. I agree that women did create this monster because of our lack of standards and allowing the men to do whatever. I know I have been guilty of that, but I decided that I don't want this "modern" man. I want the old fashioned guy that makes me feel like the woman I am. Read my story at http://bringoldfashionback.blogspot.com/.

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  • Korey

    Those that are blaming women/feminism for why chivalry is dead are the same individuals that condone men being rude and lazy. Because mothers these days are busy at work, they are not sitting down with their sons/grandsons/nephews/cousins and telling them that manners go far in this world… And because of this lack of education… men are getting away with being discourteous and lazy. Just because ONE woman may not want a man to pull out her chair DOES NOT MEAN every woman does not enjoy some old fashioned etiquette.

    I know it's bloody ironic to quote Clarence Uncle Thomas but to paraphrase: "Good manners will open doors…"

  • guest28

    i am sorry but this article seems stupid to me.
    there are all type of women in the world. if someone doesnt appeal to you or float your boat, why interact with them?
    I dont understand the logic of letting someone dictate what kind of human being you are. You are either a gentleman or you arent. if i felt a woman wasnt worthy of me being a gentleman, i wouldnt associate with her.

  • Bianca

    I'm tired of these articles. We need more articles on what men need to do. This is what's wrong with yall today. Other races of women out there talking about black women because yall making us look bad and like we don't know how to treat a man. Black men have issues too. Stop putting all the negative on black women. We are not all bad. Lift us up instead of bringing us down.

    • http://twitter.com/DarkCarmel @DarkCarmel

      @Bianca and I second that! I am tired of reading all the negative feedback about BW. We have flaws like any other human being on this earth. The way we are presented to the world it as if we are the worst women on the planet.

      BW have endure so much throughout history but at the same time they posessed perserverance which made them stronger. True some of us may have areas we need to work on including myself I am not overlooking that.

      I am very proud to be a BW because I wish to be nothing else despite what others may feel or think about us.

  • Bianca

    Girl you don't have to. The RIGHT man will love you for you and will not try to change you but make you better.

    • Bill

      And vice versa! The RIGHT woman will do the same very thing!
      Relationships should be 50/50 and both should open doors for each other etc etc, depends on who is closer to the door.

      Both should be equally chvalrous with each other!

  • Anna

    Uh… Now someone's just nitpicking… LaShaun is just being apologist to the rude behavior of men… There is no way around it. All women deserve respect. Pandering to men won't make them like you anymore than if you have a confident self-view…

    You're aggressive: Cheerleaders have told us to Be Agressive. B-E-Agressive! We want that degree, we have to bust our ass in school. We want that promotion, we gotta haul ass at our job. Some women may apply this method to ALL areas of their life. Should she be demonized and disrespected for it?
    You're Overtly Sexual: Sexuality is like proving obscenity… you know it when you see it. Yes, it's easy to slip into sleeze territory but unfortunately, there are more women than men in the world and because of that woman have to compete. And I would think that the woman that's stacked would get attention… Because guess what? Plain Janes like me STILL don't get the attention that Buxom Brenda gets….
    You're loud: Yeah, that's a given… some people obviously missed that day on Sesame Street/kindergarten where you learn "Inside" and "Outside" voice.
    You Pop Your Gum: Now… that's just nitpicking… I won't go further.
    You're Militant: I think of that episode of "Living Single" where Sinclaire was a Black Panther. She said "I may be militant but my mama's out there." Which means she had a soft spot. And despite her militantism, Overton STILL DUG HER! It takes a real man to be respectful of a woman with a strong sense of values. Why is it that men can be militant but women cannot?
    You Don't Give Them A Chance: Sure we do! They just keep failing at it…
    You Complain Constantly: Everyone complains. And that's because there is always something to complain about.
    You Curse Like A Sailor: Uh… Men curse like sailors… And what is really annoying is when men think it's alright to curse at me…
    You Don't Speak Up: If you speak up, you're told you are too rigid. You don't speak up, you're seen as weak. PICK A DAMN SIDE PLEASE!

    What about being too religious? When you're answer for everything is "God would have wanted you to open the door for me" or "According to The Lord's word, you are supposed to pick up for the check." That's a turnoff too….

  • NUMERO

    It depends on the woman.

  • Rastaman

    This article affirms what I have always believed that if you want to be punitive of women’s behavior get another woman to oversee. As they surely enjoy punishing other women for not conforming.
    While there may be something to some of the ideas expressed, I just do not like the implication of what is said. Everyone talks about chivalry as if it occurred in a vacuum for the benefit of women. It in fact originated in a society where women were property and had no rights other than those dictated by men. A man acting chivalrous today is more an expression of kindness than an exercise of manhood. Kindness is universal, a human virtue not some currency to be traded in the sexual/gender marketplace. I am not opposed to kindness but I am opposed to forced conformity, dictating how people should dress or conduct themselves without a contextual reference. No one is going do something if it lacks meaning.
    I am sure the author thinks of this piece as the type of attention grabbing fodder that makes for good conversation but it really is just another boorish, judgmental unqualified attack article, full of inflammatory words and visuals but offering nothing in terms of substantive commentary. Stop trying to portray a gender divide where one does not really exist. Norms have changed stop trying to re-impose gender normative behavior.

    • Big Mike

      Agree. Sadly, articles like these aren't going anywhere. It's very hard to come up with original content for sites like these, so these writers will write about the same topics but just add a twist to them. 1) IR dating 2) Types of men to avoid 3) chivalry 4) marriage 5) lack of "good" men – these topics will just get rehashed forever.

    • Brodie

      You do have a point about the legitimacy of chivalry. Read about in HIST 1010.

  • Erayna

    No, lol, I dont think it's too much at all, and I would think that if one did have a man like that, you would be moved to treat him as well as he treats you. I think you have the best comment I've read on this board thus far.

  • IllyPhilly

    A real woman knows how to let a man be a man. Some men like being helpful n needed. I'm all for independence, but I know when and where to speak my mind and take a stand. Some ladies don't have that finesse, they think independence is being angry and arrogant.

    • http://twitter.com/DarkCarmel @DarkCarmel

      Preach it again!

  • Fancy

    Chivalry is as dead as you let it be.

  • Annelli

    PREACH MELISSA! That is so damn true….I see articles all the damn time about what women need or should do to get and keep a man. It's ridiculous if you ask me b/c getting and keeping a man isn't that serious.

  • blackchild

    You have generations of women who were hell bent on shrugging off traditional gender roles of cooking , cleaning, and rearing children while simultaneously demanding men uphold traditional gender norms. They try to shame us by using that gentleman tag and defining manhood but reject any notion of womanhood being anything other than what she wants it to be.

    • IllyPhilly

      Those r generations of girls who have just aged, not women.

  • http://twitter.com/YoungCosby @YoungCosby

    Only YOU are responsible for how a person treats you. Stop blaming other people for your shortcomings.

    • Angela Davis

      Correct. 100% right. And if you don't like it, then you have the power to change it. What I'm saying is that the "core values" that MOST men and women lack SHOULD be taught by their parents or guardians. Those parents/guardians who did not teach have done their children a disservice. Men/Women who don't know how to properly court a lady or woman who lack proper etiquette haven't been taught how. To the statement raised by ohio_lovejones, she is also correct in some degree. If I never saw or was taught how to treat a lady properly and how to act as a lady from a ROLE MODEL, then how can you emulate it. It has to be taught. It doesn't mean that you can't learn as an adult, we are all still learning in life.

  • http://twitter.com/DarkCarmel @DarkCarmel

    @Angela so true and you hit it right on the head.