Lupita Nyong’o Blasted For Not Being Latina Enough

December 17, 2015  |  

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No matter where you go in this world, as a Black person, someone is always going to remind you that you are Black and Black only. It doesn’t matter if you are an English-speaking Black or Spanish-speaking Black or Swahili-speaking Black (or any other language-speaking Black), folks are going to say, “Nope. That’s a Negro. And they can’t sit with us…”

You may laugh, but sadly, it is true.

For instance, Lupita Nyong’o, along with Star Wars: The Force Awakens co-star Oscar Isaac, recently did an interview with Univision’s Jorge Ramos. Of course, the interview was a light piece about how the two stars of “Latin origin” landed their roles in the new Stars Wars flick. (This according to the Facebook translation app. And as a note, all translations in this piece are based off on the app.) And of course, the entire interview is done in Spanish, which both Nyong’o and Issac are fluent in.

It should have been a cute little fluff piece where we, at most, lightly mock the irony of social constructs and national boundaries drawn by imperialism and colonization.

But instead, folks in the comment section got into one serious debate over the question of identity and authenticity. Specifically, who is Latin American?

The right answer is anyone born in Latin America. As Latin America, which includes over 20 sovereign states and territories from Mexico to South America and through the Caribbean, is made up of various ethnic groups and races including European, African, indigenous native and Asian.

But you know folks aren’t about being right.

And of course, we know that this wasn’t about the olive-colored, wavy-haired Issac either. Because a person with lighter skin can be born anywhere in this universe and folks will have little question about the authenticity of their identities. Just look at “Brazilian” supermodel (and former fiancée of Rohan Marley) Isabeli Fontana, whose roots are straight-up Italian. Or comedian Louis C.K. whose father,  a native of Mexico, is of Jewish heritage. Or even Isaac himself, whose father is actually Cuban and his maternal grandmother French.

Instead, folks took issue with Nyong’o who was born in Mexico City, Mexico to two Kenyan parents.

One such commenter put it like this, “Lupita N’yongo no es Latina! Es una actriz increíble, una mujer hermosa, pero de Latina no tiene nada. Nació en México mientras su padre estaba allí de negocio y solo vivió allí unos meses. Sus papás son de Kenya.”

Facebook app translation: “Lupita N ‘ YONGO IS NOT Latina! It’s an incredible actress, a beautiful woman, but of Latina has nothing. She was born in Mexico while her father was there for business and only lived there a few months. Her parents are from Kenya.”

And another commenter said, “Lupita es Mexicana por accidente no por que tenga Origen Latino como Lo dice el señor Jorge Ramos. Ella es Africana. Oscar si es de Origen Latino.” 

Facebook app translation: “Lupita is mexicana by accident not because I have latin origin as it says Mr Jorge Ramos. She is African. Oscar if it is of Latin origin.”

Again, if there is some poor translation, blame the Facebook app and my four years of being a mediocre student in both high school and college-level Spanish. However, you can read the entire thread for yourself here.

For those who are not aware, Nyong’o, who lived in Kenya for most of her childhood but went back to Mexico when she was 16, identified herself as a “Mexican-Kenyan.” More specifically, she told El Mañana (as translated and reported by The Wire):

“I’m Mexican and Kenyan at the same time,” she said, according to El Mañana. “I’ve seen the quarrels over my nationality, but I’m Kenyan and Mexican at the same time. So again, I am Mexican-Kenyan and I am fascinated by carne asada tacos.”

It should be noted that most of the up-voted comments proudly claim Nyong’o as one of their own. In particular, this comment that said the following:

Si Lupita fuera Rubia y de ojos azules ahi estubieran reclamandola como Mexicana! Como es posible que sea el 2015 y tengamos la mente tan cerrada? Y la verdad no me sorprende en lo absoluto, nuestro hermoso continente Americano es un gran arco iris de colores pero lamentablemente lo unico que casi se ve en la tele es blanco, claro! Eso tambien se debe a que nuestras razas de color casi estan marginalizadas y no tienen las mismas oportunidades.

Facebook app translation:

If Lupita She was blonde and blue eyes there were reclamandola like Mexican! How is it possible that it is 2015 and we have the mind so closed? And the truth I am not surprised at all, our beautiful American continent is a big rainbow of colors but unfortunately the only thing that you can almost see on tv is white, of course! That also is due to the fact that our races of color almost are marginalized and do not have the same opportunities.

Well said in any translation.

And while we are honoring progress, we should also note that just last week, Mexico released its new Census form, which will now officially recognize the 1.38 million “Afro-” Mexicans living in the country. According to Quartz, Afro-Mexican activists wanted the inclusion as a way to help fight back against discrimination and erasure, which has painted the look of Latin culture in only one way.

Still, in a region (who am I kidding, in a world), which is largely grappling with its Afro-Latin identity and is plagued with issues of both racism and colorism, it’s clear in the way that some folks insist we need “proof” of Nyong’o’s identity that we have a long ways to go.

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  • Julia

    She is not Mexican. She is Kenyan. I can’t imagine that Mexico is like the U.S. which is so blended that you can consider yourself American because you were born then. That being said, even in America, at some point you will figure out that America is not your home.

  • Tath_Ngui

    Lupita has never ever denied her Kenyan-ness. As one of your commentators points out very well, this was about the nationality squabble and not an obsession with race (which is not a Kenyan problem, by the way; as a multicultural country this is regarded as the height of stupidity). And she condescended to include Mexico because there was a fight to claim her between Kenya and Mexico (started by Mexico) after she won the Oscar. We cherish, love and celebrate her pure, wonderful, amazing Kenyan-ness which is a privilege not accorded to many! Makes her extra special, and Latin America ought to be grateful we even conceded a little bit of the girl to them.

  • Brittney Miles

    Being black does not say anything about nationality, ethnicity, how one culturally identifies, ect. In your example, you would still have Japanese nationality, regardless of what others saw and thought. Your racial description may not align with the expected association with that nationality, and therefore would be something else. It’s important to not conflate (which much of the world does) race, nationality, cultural identity, racial identity, and ethnicity.

    She clearly recognizes the significance of her relationship and history with Mexico as part of her identity, and to much of a degree, no one can define that.

    There is nothing wrong with being only black, but “black” doesn’t tell it all.

  • Cheebs

    Omg please find someone to translate properly for you next time. You make the people you are translating for sound like idiots.

  • J. Maxwell

    Well, I guess my question would be when Mexicans who have come to America to work have a child in America do they consider that child an American? We won’t even discuss the matter of “border babies” which we hear talk of all the time. Why can’t Lupita be Mexican and African. Why can’t it go either way. It is because of the long standing issue with Afro-Latinos? And the Latino culture not wanting to recognize there are Afro-Latinos. Just curious!!!

  • Melissann

    The issue is not about her being black. We all know you can be black and latin. It’s that she was born there, left there not even up to one year old, went back not up to one year just to learn Spanish, and so therefore she claims to be Mexican? No sweetie! What’s worse is the manner she is claiming it, as though she has familial roots and origins there…… She is absolutely KENYAN…..complemented by a Mexican passport. And let’s be honest, does having a passport of another country SUDDENLY allow you to claim it the same way the natives do?……Lupita isn’t the first celebrity with dual nationality, the rest all go by their origin as far as I have heard of…. Ah well…..as she was!

  • mister man

    Mexico never had the amount of slaves as did Brazil, the Caribbean or the United States. The latest statistics say that there are 1.4M people of Afro-descent in Mexico – that’s out of a population of 120M Mexicans in Mexico alone (that’s around 1-2% or less). Most Afro-Mexicans, for the most part, have already assimilated to Mexico’s national customs and/or traditions (like the many Afro-Mexicans who dress in Indigenous attire and eat Mexican food, although some do eat their Afro-Mexican mix of foods). So that’s why they are considered just that, MEXICAN (most also have non-Black descent as well).

  • mister man

    Their right, her occurrence of being born in Mexico was a rarity. You guys can have her…

  • AmandaGee

    OMFG

    Y’ALL MOFOs IN THE COMMENT SECTION ARE SOOOOOO DUMB!!!!!!!!!!!

    DO US ALL A FAVOR AND LEAVE AMERICA FOR AT LEAST A WEEK AND GET OUT OF YOUR LITTLE BOX. IDIOTS!!!!!
    NO WONDER THE WORLD HATES OUR ASSESsss. CAUSE YALLL ARE IGNORANT!!!!!

    • Annamuffin

      I think you guys are the ones that need to leave….

      • AmandaGee

        Girl BYE

        • Annamuffin

          Good bye

    • Mission accomplished by the website! They brought out so much hate and ignorance from people on all sides. Can’t wait for the next one!

      • AmandaGee

        By the SAME “writer”.

        • Yup, that’s how she gets her clicks. I’m pretty close to leaving MN for good thanks to this hot mess.

          • AmandaGee

            Seriously
            I’ve never seen such blatant prejudice n racism.

  • JCF

    This is so stupid. The hate… man, we do it to ourselves! So much projection. What if we didn’t see EVERY situation as a chance to prove how much the world despises us.

    • Tonididitonem

      Exaaaaaaaaaactly!!!! Every damn situation is a way to prove how much the world “hates” us such self-fulfilling prophecy.

  • Masterpieced

    ““I’m Mexican and Kenyan at the same time,” she said, according to El Mañana. “I’ve seen the quarrels over my nationality, but I’m Kenyan and Mexican at the same time”

    WOW Three times she states this. I guess it is really important to her to claim a race/country that does not want her…..

    BUT, I guess anchor babies can only go one way for Mexicans.

    SO NOW Black folk PLEASE stop screaming this fake “PEOPLE OF COLOR” Crap. NO ONE WANTS TO BE LUMPED WITH US!

    • Tonididitonem

      You’re an idiot and you’re projecting. Stop the self victimization. She actually had to come out and say she was Mexican and Kenyan so as not to alienate the Mexican fans who felt she was one of them. Jorge Ramos invited her on, I have Mexican friends they celebrated her Oscar win, she was in the Mexican papers, the Mexican president himself congratulated her personally via Twitter. Mexican people love her. One or two idiots write nonsense about her online and now Mexicans hate all blacks?! Smh you want to keep believing that so you can wallow in your self pity and make excuses for your failures. She’s both, she not trying to be exotic; she is exotic, she’s not claiming Mexico to feel “special”, she’s doing it so she won’t Alienate fans and little girls who look up to her; both black and Mexican. Get a life.

  • Tonididitonem

    Oh shut up. When Mexicans wanted to claim lupita when she was winning an Oscar blacks said no! Now that they’re saying ok she’s African you’re upset too. Y’all make any and everything about race. Ugh shut up! Not an issue.

    • Masterpieced

      I guess it is an issue to Mexicans too.

  • pragmatic maxim

    So what….you think you’re too good? …that your sh*t don’t stank or something? You knew what you were signing up for

    • wait wut LOL

      • pragmatic maxim

        A joke….in continuation of your Kim Fields comments

        • omg I had totally forgotten!

          I’m sorry! lmao that was actually really funny

  • Maria

    some of you here are racist though, just like those that have been racist to you, there are good people in Mexico who are not racist. being part of a certain race does not mean you are free to call everyone a racist #justsaying

  • Rodrigo Rangel

    Maybe one day it will be acknowledged that we (mexicans) are mostly native americans and not mestizos like most people think…being Perez or Gomez doesn’t change our dna.

    • Is that so? I should know more about my Mexican peeps considering I’m from Los Angeles, but I thought the demographic was mostly mestizo. Thank you for the new info!

      The indigenous stigma in Latin America really grinds my gears!

      • Rodrigo Rangel

        For a long time I thought I was a mestizo too but if you do some digging on the issue soon you will realize that we are mostly native americans. My last name is Quinn, but my grandparents explained how they adopted the family name. Native americans have to be europeanized by having names like them. Back them that was the cool thing to do or risk discrimination ( and other consequences). We were too many natives and very few whites to change more than half of the native population. Native american are the best baby maker and not the other way around. Besides that, just look around (in Mexico) and most look native.

        This is my own conclusion, but no one will listen to me to change something that has been acepted

        for so long. I am 100 % native american and very proud of it.

        But do your own searching and let me know if i can help.

  • pragmatic maxim

    Africans are stubborn. I’m sure there was never any denying that she is Black Kenyan…but the Mexican part made her unique conversationaly and has probably been that extra edge that made her feel a little different and, dare I say..”special”. Her parents probably encouraged it. They did name her ‘Lupita’ after all.

    • Maria

      they named her because she was born there and they loved the place, she went back to learn the language. not everyone in Mexico is racist, she loves the place.human beings are beautiful, do not judge as a whole, they will surprise you.yes as an African i am stubborn and proud of it, why would she not claim to be mexican while many white people have come to africa and claimed it as their homes? and not in colonial era either, right now as we speak, why is it that an African cannot do the same?

      • pragmatic maxim

        Ok? I never implied that they gave her her name for any other reason…nor did I say all Mexicans are racist. I never even used the term racist. However I do know, and have known several Mexican people and anyone who is honest will tell you that COLORISM…which I do believe is the term that I used….is a huge part of their social and class structure and always has been. If you’ve ever seen the film ‘Y Tu Mama Tambien’ that was the subtext of the entire film as told by the director himself, Alejandro Cuarón.
        Also….when you’re finished sitting there feeling defensive for whatever reason, do me a favor and Google the terms ‘castas’ and ‘mestizaje’ for better insight

        • Maria

          I was in defence of Lupita here and her reasons, yes Mexicans have major issues with color, this Lupita business could help them too in a positive way too. again never count human beings as people who cannot change for the better. being victims will not work, black people have to show their power, earn the respect for themselves and not care what anyone else thinks, that is the Motto here.dont expect to be handed anything take it, just like Lupita, yes she is Mexican Kenyan what are you going to do? nothing she has the power now right

          • pragmatic maxim

            Good strong comment. Thanks for posting it!

          • pragmatic maxim

            When I mentioned Africans being stubborn I meant it as a compliment by the way. I love that natural defiance….well what we as Black Americans have been conditioned to take a person of dark skin asserting themselves and owning their personal power as being defiance anyway…in African born people. I envy it.

    • Tonididitonem

      Lies. She finally said she was both so as not to alienate Mexican people who love her. Nothing wrong with that.

      • Masterpieced

        I do not have to say I am Chinese to have Chinese friends!

    • ABC1

      Lupita was given to her because in the Kenyan culture, you’re given a name that is special to the place of your birth. And Mexican parts? Hmm she has no latin blood at all, both her parents are Kenyan, and the only reason Lupita was born in Mexico, because her father was exiled there, he was against the government, so they fled to Mexico, where he taught I believe. Lupita’s very open about her family motivation for moving to Mexico, and it had nothing to do with denying African roots.

      • pragmatic maxim

        Surely you must realize that in no way did my comment suggest a belief of anything otherwise. But whatever conclusion you came to is on you. If you decided to take it any other way than how it was meant then there’s not much I can do about that

        • ABC1

          Agree 100%

  • bits

    Where technically Lupita is Latina or more specifically Mexican because she was born in Mexico and therefore is a Mexican citizen, I can understand how Latinos could be perturbed from a cultural stand point. Its like if someone married into my family. Yes technically that person is a “Johnson” now but that person does not share the family history and nuances that come along with the historical bonding of my family. What makes you family/culturally bonded are the experiences, beliefs and values that are passed along from generation to generation. To be culturally connected to a group of people means more than just your mother giving birth to you in a certain place and you being able to speak the language fluently. That method means very little to a people who take great pride in the SHARED history of their culture. Don’t get me wrong, I think a lot of the slack that Lupita is getting from the Latino community has a lot to do with the color of her skin as well (just ask Rosario Dawson, Zoe Zaldana and Sammy Sousa about the negative connotations, within the latino community, regarding race and skin color). The Latino community has a long way to go in the racism department but, this particular situation, with Lupita, comes off to me as more of a push back on the fact that she doesn’t share their deeply rooted cultural connection. TECHNICALLY she is Latina but for Latinos it takes more than a birth certificate and a date of birth in a Latin American country to be able to label yourself Latino/a, and I get that.

    • Hey, I like yo style!

      I don’t know if the Latino community is giving much pushback on Lupita, though. I absolutely agree that our community has a looooong way to go regarding race. However, when translated, the comments weren’t offensive or angry – the people who said anything were basically just correcting Ramos about her being of Latino origin. While she is Mexican (and wow, her spanish is on point!!), her background isn’t Latino and that’s all they were saying. 🙂

      I mean, I’ll gladly accept her as Latina LOL she rocks!! I don’t think she identified as such, though.

      • bits

        I like your style too girl! And I agree with you 100%!

    • Masterpieced

      Wow, you really have a great point here. I like the way you pointed out being a “Johnson”. True. I see how my family will embrace a child as soon as it is born, but it takes decades for an in-law to become truly one of us.

  • T&T

    Politically, I should be outraged by this, but logically; emotionally and socially I am NOT. I live in Argentina – where black heritage (who made a huge contribution to the very national identity of the nation) is largely ígnored´, so I get the AfroLatino struggle, however this miss is not Latina – to me where you are born, outside of the global advantages and disadvantages, adds little to your girth, ´who´you are comes from your formative years. As a Trinbagonian, I constantly have to correct folks when they say Nikki Manaj is Trinbagonian, ummm, no! If I was born in Malta, and at mouth 4 moved to France and never looked back…..?Folks in Lupita´s position are multinational, as her identity was not created monolithically. She is correct with her self identification.

    • Annamuffin

      Well you have to remember Argentina used black male bodies for war, and that killed off a lot of black man. so the women started matting with the white man and of course they had programs to white wash the country. Other blacks fled to Brazil and now the black population is pretty tiny….

  • Hey Charing! Hope you’re satisfied. Your misinformed article sure brought out all the hatred, as intended.

    • Free_Is_Me

      I was just getting ready to post that this article just brought out all the ‘STUPID” in people when I saw your comment.
      This is straight up ridiculous!

      • That’s what Charing lives for. Not the first time she’s posted some nonsense like this only to sit back and watch everyone insult each other. Whatever gets this site some clicks, I guess.

        • Free_Is_Me

          Yeah I know!

    • Masterpieced

      I am glad she posted it. I had no idea on Lupita’s birth, but I am with the Mexicans on this. She is NOT Mexican.

      If a cat gives birth in an oven, she delivers kittens–not muffins.

      • That’s nice. Lupita identifies as Mexican and Kenyan though, so she’ll continue to do so.

      • Idk Hu R. Yoo

        THIS:

        “If a cat gives birth in an oven, she delivers kittens–not muffins.”^^….is T-shirt worthy!!!

        If I could print this on a t-shirt…*sigh*…I…WOULD. I have now given you the pinnacle of compliments when it comes to the business of being…funny. THANK YOU…Masterpieced! 🙂 LOL

        • Idk Hu R. Yoo

          (I mean, when I think something is Pulitzer Prize winning funny…I always say that I want to get that on a t-shirt…and…I actually mean it. Though I’ve never DONE it, I HAVE meant it. The…End.

        • Masterpieced

          Thanks for the up-vote. I needed that today.

          • Idk Hu R. Yoo

            “UR WELKM” 🙂

  • Griffon Pourpre

    Who is more Christian, a cnvert or someone who just follows his family tradition? I would say the former. When you make a conscious choice to become anything, you have assumed and interiorized that identity better than somebody who never had to question it. Lupita is Mexican by virtue of a deliberate act of loving and living identification. A Mexican who just happen to be that by accident hasn’t any merit or claim to have reached an insight on what to be Mexican means and his mexicanness would be purely formal and superficial.

    I am a Spaniard very familiar with Mexico and I believe I have a better grasp of Mexico, its history, its soul, its inner works than many who just happen to have been there all of their life and speak with the local accent. I also appreciate Mexico better than many mexicans do.

    • VVV

      Then you are not Christian at all because when I read the Bible, the man who came in at the last second and the man who was working all day, BOTH got the SAME wages…..miss me with your BS. If Lupita is not Mexican then the Pope isnt Argentinian. She didnt convert to Mexican, she was born there and she spent significant time there so SHE IS MEXICAN.

      • Griffon Pourpre

        You need t work in both your reading comprehension and your rage. I never said I was Christian. Whether I am or not is totally immaterial and doesn’t pertain to my argument.

        Sure Lupita is Mexican. She is more Mexican than many Mexicans. The Pope is Argentinian in a way and as a result of a process completely different than Lupita is Mexican. Lupita was sent to Mexico at the age of 16 to learn Spanish and the fact that she was born in Mexico only has a legal implication.

        In Mexico, by the way, there are numerous people of African descent; particularly in Veracruz. Nobody thinks of them as being less Mexican so the whole pretense about how blacks are perceived in Mexico in terms of nationhood or latinness is groundless and gratuitous. I could go on and point out how Dominicans or Cubans are the perfect example of how being African in cultural and physical terms doesn’t make any Spanish speaker less “latino” (whatever that means).

        • Annamuffin

          The lies you tell

        • I thought Pope Francis was full on Argentino? I mean I know his folks were Italian but didn’t they settle in Argentina and grow from there? That confuses me a bit!

        • Yvonne Watkins

          But you brought it up. You’re the one who brought Christianity into it. You made it a part of your argument. Of course someone was bound to address that aspect of your comment.

        • VVV

          Whether you are Christian or not, the analogy was still wrong. The examples you used of Cuba and Dominican Republic are rather telling, especially in the DR where they call themselves anything but black. There is an actual PBS documentary on being black in Latin America where they spoke of how the people in the DR refer to themselves as some weird term which basically means not black. Lupita is as Mexican as the Pope is Argentinian.

    • Yvonne Watkins

      There is no such thing as being ‘more’ Christian; you’re either Christian or you’re not. The barometer is whether or not you truly follow the tenants of Jesus Christ. It has absolutely nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with whether someone was raised a Christian or whether they converted. That analogy has no validity.

      When you go beyond God’s standards/criteria, that’s what judging is. So taking it upon
      yourself to say who’s ‘more’ of anything is wrong on so many levels.

      Is a Black person who likes R&B ‘more’ Black than one who likes opera? Is a Mexican person who likes enchiladas ‘more’ Mexican than one who doesn’t? Is a Chinese person who doesn’t like Chinese acrobats not really Chinese? There is no such thing as being ‘more’ Mexican or ‘more’ Black or ‘more’ of anything that’s NOT quantifiable. How limiting to define cultural identity just one narrow way.

      • Masterpieced

        YVONNE! Go head!

    • Masterpieced

      I disagree. If that is the case then a white woman who went to an HBCU, has biracial kids, and wears braids can think that she is more black than a sister who attended Harvard. Not true. Ask the police when either of these women are walking the street at night alone.

  • Yvonne Watkins

    When she says “I’m Kenyan and Mexican”, people should understand she’s talking about nationality not ethnicity (we can look at her and tell what her ethnicity is). Nationality = the NATION of which you’re a citizen. Ethnicity = DNA. Nationality can change, ethnicity can’t. If she’s claiming two nationalities, she may have dual citizenship. Either way, it’s her call and no one else’s.

    As far as acting, if ethnicity isn’t relevant to the character, then an actor of any ethnic group can play the character. That would be like saying only White actors can be cast as Americans. Clearly an actor can be both American and Black, American and Latino, American and Asian.

    Stating that a Black actor shouldn’t be cast as Mexican is racist.

    • Masterpieced

      What does her birth certificate say?

      • Yvonne Watkins

        Masterpieced, LOL! I don’t know what her birth certificate says. I can barely
        remember what my actual birth certificate says. I just have the
        abstract.

  • Removed By Moderator

    A soccer player named Giovanni dos Santos was born in Mexico to a Brazilian dad and a Mexican mom.

    Mexicans fully accepted him as Mexican as soon as they figured out that he could score goals against the US national team.

    • I mean, he’s Mexican with a Mexican mom whose Brazilian dad played for Mexican league team so why would it be a surprise that he’s seen as Mexican? LOL?

  • Candace O.

    You are missing the point because Lupita was speaking of her nationality, not race. The commentators completely missed the point (what else is new?). This was never about her race, rather her heritage. And FYI: you can be Latina by race and by heritage. Lupi is not denying her blackness. If she says she’s Mexican only, giving how she’s black and all, I’m sure people will slam her for denying her Kenyan background. You just can’r win. P.S, you sound pained for some weird reason.

    • Clearly some kind of hatred for Latinos in her comments. I caught it, too. This is what the writer wanted, after all.

      • pragmatic maxim

        Don’t know if that’s true. Just remembered after responding to that commenter that usually her posts show a love for any race other than the Black one…but as per usual my observation was so dead on that I thought it best…for humanity’s sake…to just leave it be. Lol

        But then again….I’m remembering that you have some questionable opinions your dammie.

    • Secret87

      I can sense what Lupita really saying between the lines. Instead of Lupita worrying about a nigerian woman who bleaches her skin she needs to focus on self on why she trying so hard to be mexican when they take one look at her and say hell naw.

      • DA-BIG-D

        Why are any of them trying so hard to be American? If they can be born here and expect to carry such a title and all of the benefits that go with it, why can’t Lupita be born in Mexico and claim it? COLORISM AT ITS FINEST. LATINOS ARE KNOWN FOR THIS.

      • pragmatic maxim

        Like I said…now I remember.

        Are you at all aware of a little event called The Trans-Atlantic Slãve Trade? There are Mexicans as well as people all throughout the South and Central Americas who are darker than Lupe.

    • DA-BIG-D

      wow. Them taco-eatin muthaphukkkers expect to come here, drop a baby on American soil and be called American and receive all of the benefits. But when somebody else comes to their land and has a baby, they can’t claim Mexican??? even if they are born on Mexican soil? And we have a half-Kenyan lettin all they a z z es come here? Even forcing his own country-men and governors to take them against their wishes? Fvck them. See, this should tell black people something. Everybody wants to ride our coat-tails when it serves their interests, but ain’t nobody else letting us ride theirs. And Lee Daniels stay putting them Latinas,Latinos on Empire. SMDH.

      • pragmatic maxim

        Mexicans are notoriously colorist and have been trying to erase their African-sláve history and dilute there Black blood for several generations now. The sláve trade had a long reach and affected ALL of the Americas

        *sidenote: Why is it that ‘slåve’ is a forbidden word here?

      • Masterpieced

        Yes, only THEY can have anchor babies.

  • I’ll say this as a Latina (South American, not Mexican), Mexicans still have quite a tough time with race. The majority of Mexicans are either mestizo or white and the percentage of black Mexicans is very low so there still seems to be some stupid stigma.

    I’m Ecuadorian/Colombian and we have a slightly more mixed batch of people so afro-Latinos are no different in any way.

    Your translation of the comments were rough lol but it explained the gist of it. Also, I don’t think most Latinos even claim Louis CK because he’s half Mexican but doesn’t remember his Mexican culture as well as he’d like. Also, Oscar Isaac was born in Guatemala to Guatemalan/Cuban parents so yeah, his roots are closer to the Latino culture than Lupita whose parents are both from another continent – I’d say that about a white person as well.

    Latin American culture is a complicated one but I consider Lupita whatever she considers herself. Most of us aren’t so ignorant and exclusive.
    ————
    ETA: Just read the comments under the Jorge Ramos post. Y’all seriously picked out two or three “She’s Mexican but not Latina” comments out of the dozens of comments complimenting her for being beautiful and gracious. You also CONVENIENTLY ignored the several comments from black posters on Facebook saying that Lupita isn’t Latina. Petty and disgraceful to post this nonsense to try and stir the pot amongst your readers.

  • starapple

    Let us not lose sight of the fact that the vast majority of commenters had zero issues with how Lupita self-indentifies. Why are you writing an article based on the few negative comments that were left? It’s interesting that you chose to focus on the views of the minority. Secondly, Lupita gets to define how she self-indentifies.

    • clickbait, of course. I can’t wait to scroll down and read the awful comments towards Latinos in this one.

  • IanMC

    If she feels this way who are those people to deny her that ? They should be proud a talented woman makes sure to tell the world she’s mexican.

    • African Woman

      Who’s denying here though – a handful people? It’s like saying that just because some nutters believe the white race is being persecuted and that other races are out to breed them out of existence, then it must be true.

  • jacob221

    So if shes Latina because she was born in Mexico

    Why can’t Rachel Dolezal be black since she was born in USA

    • PraiseTheLord

      Latina is not a race, but black is. There are white, black, mixed, and Asian Latinos/Latinos.

    • African Woman

      She never said she’s Latina – she only claimed the country of her birth, sheesh.

    • bits

      Wow. I just…smfh.

  • jacob221

    So if im born in japan

    im japanese

    • VVV

      If you are born in Japan and your country of citizenship is Japan then YES you are Japanese. You may not be asian but you can be Japanese. Anymore questions concerning the difference between race and nationality? Or race and cultural identity?

  • Oh please

    there is a real problem in latin American countries with racism. Why black americais just now finding this out I have no idea. For anyone who doubts me please look into the hatian Dominican citizens who are having their citizenship revoked and are being kicked out of DR for no reason other than DR can.

  • AmandaGee

    omg I can absolutely RELATE. Why is it so hard for people to accept that you can be “where you’re born” AND “what you’re heritage is!”
    Those people need to get over it. Lupita is just as much Mexican as she is Kenyan.

    The ignorance in this comment section HAS to be from people who were born in the same country as their parents. smh

  • Charla

    Well can the Mexicans remember that when they have their children in America? Y’all are Mexican, not American.

    • JAI

      I hollered! LMAO!

    • Technically, Mexico IS in America – North America. So yeah….

      • Charla

        But technically no one in the Americas call themselves Americans except people born in the USA. I’ve never heard a Peruvian, a Brazilian, and Guatemalan, etc. call themselves American. Maybe Latin American, but never straight American. It would be inappropriate.

        • Interestingly, people from Latin America call “Americans” the correct term – “Estadounidense” which basically means United Stater but even though we’re the only ones who call ourselves American, it doesn’t mean we’re the ONLY Americans in the American continents. The only reason Canadians, Mexicans, Venezuelans, etc. don’t call themselves “American” is because it’s incorrect lol

          Anywho, your original comment was meant to be offensive so I replied with a nonoffensive fact to counter.
          Also, the comments in that article above weren’t telling Lupita she wasn’t Mexican. In fact, they acknowledged her nationality. What they were saying was that she’s not of Latin American origin – and they are correct. So a person born HERE can say they’re “American,” but their origin is a different story.

          • Charla

            ” The only reason Canadians, Mexicans, Venezuelans, etc. don’t call themselves “American” is because it’s incorrect.” You’ve proved my point right there. And if she’s born in Latin America, she would be Latin American. She’s just not of Indian, indigenous, etc. decent. (Not Latin American decent as you’ve claimed because that’s not a race). Let’s be clear on the terms of you think you’re going to school me.

            • Haha, she would say she’s of the country of origin, not Latin American…and she does in fact say that she’s specifically Mexican. The handful of people in the comments were correcting Jorge Ramos, not her. Perhaps I should re-write what I meant (It’s super early over here)…

              I was referring to the “Mexicans” you were trying to exclude by telling them they shouldn’t say they’re American. In this country and in the way you meant it (to be exclusive and hurtful), yes, they’re technically American. Anyone born in the Americas is American, period. Would someone living in Mexico or Canada or Belize call themselves American, though? Of course not. It’s too general.

              P.S. It’s “descent,” not “decent.”

              • Charla

                And you keep acknowledging that no one in the Americas would call themselves American, so I don’t know what you keep arguing. You’ve proved my point for the second time! I guess you like reading your own repetitive words? Canadians would never say they are Amerixan. I don’t even read half of what you write because I don’t have any respect for you. Bye!

                • Live in your ignorance then, girl. No skin off my back. Ciao!

                  • Charla

                    Clearly my post got to you. The proof is in your emotional replies. Lol poor thing.

                    • Well your original comment was meant to be offensive. So yeah, as a Latina, I felt the need to correct you. All you have to do is read up on how other countries specify people from the US and you’ll see that most don’t use the term “American.” We’re the only ones who do it.

                      Anyway, like I said, live in your ignorance. Just makes me grateful to have been educated in my lifetime.

                    • Charla

                      I’m very educated, with a Masters degree, and I’ve studied abroad and travelled abroad as well. I’ve never heard or read ANYTHING related to calling anyone else American as a rule of thumb. Stay in your feelings. Bye!

                    • Awww, a Master’s degree. That’s so cute!

              • Charla

                Oh, and thanks for catching my typo. So you feel better now?

              • Masterpieced

                If I were a star of her magnitude and folk did not want me to be one of them–hell, no problem! I am out!

            • Oh, and no, her origin is not Latin American. Her origin is Kenyan, thanks to the fact that her parents and entire family are Kenyan. She was born in Mexico from circumstance and not because her whole family has roots in Mexico. Does that make sense?

              • Charla

                I’m trying to determine why you keep responding and why it’s so important to you? My original statement STANDS and if you don’t agree, kick rocks that way –>. I don’t care about your opinion. It’s not appropriate to call people outside of the USA, American, and you know very well no one in the world calls them so.

                • Annamuffin

                  She likes to argue…

                  • Charla

                    Right? Smh

      • Simone

        By that logic I’m American too. Except I’m Canadian.. I get your point but don’t engage in or encourage the foolishness. They just can’t understand.

        • Yeah my point got lost in translation, but I was only pointing that out because there was obvious hate in the original comment. Ugh, that’s exactly what MN wanted with this.

        • Charla

          Nothing was lost in translation. I agreed that technically people in the Americas are American, but it would actually be inappropriate to use it as a rule of thumb. And no one outside of the US actually calls themselves that. The other poster read that and continued to argue for no reason.

    • Free_Is_Me

      hahahaha! LMBO

    • Masterpieced

      RIGHT! Anchor babies only work when it is to THEIR advantage.

      • This is so ignorant. Read the comments that were translated correctly. Nobody ever said Lupita wasn’t Mexican. They were saying she isn’t of Latin origin – and they are correct because she is of Kenyan origin. Moreover, it was 3 or 4 people who wrote this and everyone else on that thread was fawning over her.

        This stupid thread just brought out the sheer xenophobe in so many people, ugh. Get it together.

  • Courtney Banks

    I don’t blame them, same way I will never consider white people born in Africa to be “African”. Even though they technically are.. That being said lets keep it real had she been fairer skin and light eyes they wouldn’t be up in arms about it.

    • I have to disagree with your last statement. I’ll use an example.

      Christina Aguilera’s father is/was Ecuadorian and she was raised by him but hardly learned spanish or much about Ecuadorian culture. Early in her career, Ecuadorians couldn’t stand her and gave her a hard time for claiming to be Latina when she didn’t even know the culture. She’d use her half to put out albums in spanish for money…and she’s a blonde, blue-eyed girl. It runs much deeper than skin color for us. There’s a sense of possessiveness we feel for the culture itself.

    • AmandaGee

      huh? So a white person born in South Africa isn’t “African”??

      • African Woman

        Tell me about it, nxa.

    • African Woman

      What are you talking about? Charlize Theron might have her green card now, but she’s always identified as South African because that’s what she is. She is a white Afrikaans speaking South African and I’m a Sotho speaking black South African – we are South Africans. We as South Africans choose how we identify ourselves – I don’t know why people keep making up ways for others to identify themselves – like you know us – get out of here.

      • Masterpieced

        To identify as SOUTH African is different than to say Chalize is African. We all should know the dirty history and story of White South Africans.

  • Miss Understanding

    So, you couldn’t ask an actual Spanish speaking person to translate these comments using the correct context? The translations are very sloppy. Anyway…it is her right to claim Kenyan-Mexicana if she wants but it does come off a little odd just because someone with two Mexican parents born in the U.S. still usually identifies as Mexican when asked of heritage.

    • Masterpieced

      Right, odd and why. Why is she trying so hard to beg a sit at that table?

  • Raze

    Okay, before I begin, I need to correct some of the stuff in your translation, otherwise it’ll just continue to bother me like a bad itch.

    -“She’s an incredible actress, a beautiful woman, but there is nothing Latina about her”
    -“Lupita is Mexican by accident not because she is of Latin origin like Mr. Jorge Ramos says . She is African. Oscar (on the other hand) is of Latin origin.”
    – “If Lupita had blonde hair and blue eyes, you’d all be want to claim her as Mexican! How is it possible that it is 2015 and we’re still (this) closed minded? And the truth is I am not surprised at all, our beautiful American continent is a big rainbow of colors but unfortunately the only thing that you almost always see on tv is white, of course! That also is due to the fact that other races of color are almost marginalized and do not have the same opportunities.”

    Now that that’s out of the way, I have mixed feelings about this. I mean yes, Lupita was born in Mexico, but her family is Kenyan and she lived half her life in Kenya. On the other hand, she also lived half her life in Mexico, so she knows how it feels to be Mexican, she knows the culture, the people, every thing. So, if she wants to identify as Mexican-Kenyan, then she should be allowed to do so. That is her right. No one tells those Mexican American kids born in America that they’re not Mexicans, so why should Mexicans get to decide what Lupita’s nationality is?

    • The translations made my eye twitch! Do these writers have no spanish speaking friends to call and ask to translate? LOL so messy.

    • Masterpieced

      She knows how it feels to be Mexican? Nah..

      • Raze

        So of course you know how Lupita feels, thinks and hears, huh?

        • Masterpieced

          The Mexicans agree with me.

  • call keke with the nappy hair

    Who cares? She reps kenya anyway. Africans stand up

    • Secret87

      Standing with south african dna. Repin.

    • Masterpieced

      Africans and African-Americans stand up. Now that she is here, she will be called African-American. WE LOVE HER!

      • call keke with the nappy hair

        What? Just because she’s here doesn’t make her an african american. I echo your sentiment though all blacks of all races stand up and be proud

      • She isn’t American LOL wow

  • too_real

    Well…she isn’t a latina. She’s African. Don’t know what all the hub-bub is about.

  • Ce1999

    I think she can say she’s Mexican since it’s a nationality, though people associate it with a race of people. Just like you can be American and of any ethnicity. Just my 2 cents though.

  • _a_

    I mean she we born there and lived there for some of her childhood, but I can understand why they do not consider her to be Mexican.Tbh I really only think of her Kenyan heritage when her name comes up.

    • Those who disagreed with Ramos didn’t deny her Mexican nationality. Latina and Mexican are two different things.

  • guest

    Not surprised at all! Most Hispanics have African ancestry but don’t want anything to do with black people.

    • Secret87

      They will if Trump wins.
      #wall

    • guest

      She is not Latina. Being Latina is not a special prize. If they refuse to call her Latina…..sooooooo! Being black and only black is something to be proud of

      • Masterpieced

        My POINT TOO! Why is she trying so hard to make them love her!!!!!!

    • Not that it would be a bad thing but “most” Latinos don’t have African blood. The percentage is much lower than having indigenous blood.

  • Secret87

    Well they are right she is blk. Her parents are Kenyan and she was born in Mexico kinda like if she was born in Japan…when people see her there not going to think Asian woman.

    And whats wrong with being known as blk only? This seems more like your blk, but don’t wanna be seen as fully blk.
    I’m blk who speaks English. It doesn’t mean Im white.

    Im a black American with south African dna.
    Who is fine just being blk at the end.

    • guest

      I think the pin is that they would be fighting to claim her if she was fair skinned with light eyes.

      • pragmatic maxim

        Much like they do Salma Hyek…who will be the first to tell you her parents are Lebanese and Spanish. Her father, a businessman, moved to Mexico and raised a family there. No blue eyes, but they love, love, love their ‘Salmalita’ and praise her as a national treasure

        • Idk Hu R. Yoo

          Odd, I ALWAYS heard Salma say she was Mexican. I’m not saying you’re wrong, or I’m wrong Imjussayin…I USED to here her always go hard for Mexico, so…that is odd to me. IDK, continue 🙂

          • pragmatic maxim

            While you’re so busy disputing my comment by ‘not saying I’m wrong’ you’re really only further proving my point. First, a simple Google search will tell you I’m right and second, you’ve probably never heard that in the first place because Mexicans are happy to claim her and proud that she claims Mexico. Just because YOU have never heard something before does not neccessarily make it a misrepresentation. She says she os a proud Mexican, yes….but she also tells the interviewer her parents heritage is not of Mexico. Not saying these are HER intentions…but most Mexicans of a higher social standing are quick to boast of their direct Spanish blood and overall European ancestry. So much so that it’s a long standing joke among the people of Mexico

            • Idk Hu R. Yoo

              Dude (I’m assuming you’re a dude), chill out! I was being nice in saying, I could be wrong, because I don’t know everything under the sun. Lastly, I’ve heard people in South America say things and do things like that…boast of a heritage that puts them (in a warped world’s mind) over their current country of living. Ohhhh tayyyy. I assume I rubbed you the wrong way with my comments to you. I apologize. I’ll have to work on typing things with a mindset of “would I say this to a random stranger in public, in person, face to face, mano-y-mano (or however that is spelled in Es, pan, yole (me being funny with the last spelling of Spanish in…well…Spanish). Lastly, read my dissertation…you might not hate it, you might not like it, but by the time you’ve read everyone else’s shorter comments, you could have probs read mine like…at least 2 good times. Anyway, again, did NOT mean to rub you, or anyone else the wrong way. I TRUTHFULLY hope that you will be like me in this ONE thing in the future: asking yourself, “would I speak to a total stranger on the street the way I just typed to a total stranger on the screen?” if not, then edit that ish!

              Look, I have love for discussing things, and listening, I don’t want to offend anyone. AGAIN, and for the hundredth time, Imma tell you like my little cousin told his grandmother when he found out him not feeling like giving her a hug had (jokingly) resulted in her not giving him the Christmas present she bought for him that year, and I quote with emphasis on the exaggerated word, “I am SOOOOO sorry!!!” (for presenting my opinion(s), my fact(s), and my replies in a way that was deemed offensive by you, by anyone else, or even by me. We have enough stress, drama, and hate in this world, my mouth really doesn’t need to be a mouthpiece for the Devil’s pooh (my people’s term for poop). -Peace out!

              • Grace

                Idk Hu R. Yoo, you do not really need to apologise for stating the facts. Your threads are so apt and I really appreciate reading them because they are so informed and void of stereotype. I really like reading what you are posting, funny too.. eh! I too get offended when someone applies a rule selectively.There seems to be a lot of hypocrisy in many of us. cf. The latinos are ready to embrace Mercedes Sosa as a latino with no questions, yet she was born of French and Quechuan parents, and never questioning her French background. Again many are ignorant of the facts because they rely so much on google and wikipedia and take them to give the facts as they are.

                • Idk Hu R. Yoo

                  Grace, you are the BOMB commentator. You sound all elegant and knowledgeable and stuff–you would be an awesome person to listen to and debate with on a round table discussion with Masterpieced, Annamuffin, TheBurningBush, etc., and like, Tavis Smiley, and others known and unknown, because it would be interesting, informative, and well, entertaining! 🙂 Thank you for your knowledge. It is my hope that one day, I will be as knowledgeable and as informed as I WANT to be about the truth one day. God knows it, and I believe that if I could just be responsible enough to do what I need to do obedience wise to Him, that He’d give me that which I seek. Until then, I’ve appreciated reading your words, and look forward to a future where I’ll be able to do more than be just a spectator in life. The future is hopeful, to me, because I see a field ripe for transformation. That field being the young people that the future passes the baton too.

            • Idk Hu R. Yoo

              Actually, in response to “you’ve probably never heard that in the first place,” I used to ALWAYS think she was Mexican, and I think Middle Eastern (where in the Middle East, I know not). I ALWAYS was under the understanding that her mom was Mexican, her dad was Middle Eastern, and she was born and bred in Meh-HEE-koe…. Um, and lastly…”GOOGLE” is not “TRUTH..uhl.” Google has their searches that THEY WANT you/us to see, and anything they ain’t interested in supporting or, as they say on another website “co-signing on,” you DON’T see. I have had the experience (SEVERAL TIMES) of seeing page 1, page 2, page 3, and etc., of MULTIPLE searches turn up multiple fake blogs that seemed real, until I realized that they ALL said the SAME THING. Google promotes “Wikipedia.” THAT should be enough to make you side-eye Google, but if my words still fall upon death eyes (cuz, you’re probably going to take this in with your eyes and not yer ears sonny, but um yeah,) Google even SAID that they loved the ability to control the thoughts and sway elections, and stuff like that by controlling the answers that people see when they seek and find with “Google.” Google…is NOT GOD. They lie, they promote lies, and well, they USED to be the bomb search engine, but even their origins I question, but that’s another argument for another day (or not). If you’ve read this far, PM, then, you get like IDK, an “A” on your thesis, or something (since you went all “dissertation” on me earlier…and all…and YES I write a lot, but some of it is kind of boss-mode…but if you don’t get Spacely Sprokets you probably don’t know what going boss-mode is either…and for that…I pity your life…and since you may be devoid of humor (that, or I’m not as funny as I want to be)….that Sir (again, assuming you aren’t of the other sex)…*sigh*…was a JOKE!

        • Yeah and Shakira’s of the same background (except Colombian) and nobody denies her either.

      • Maria

        but they did claim her, that is when she said she is Mexican, was she to deny yet she was born there? yes Mexicans have major issues with race, good thing she does not have to live there.anyway you can be from anywhere these days, we have Italians who re born in my country and they are Kenyan, but they are purely white. it is a right as a human being to be allowed to live somewhere and prosper.God bless her

    • IntrovertedSE

      But she’s speaking of her nationality not race.

      • guest

        Is her nationality Mexican? Just because she was born in Mexico doesnt mean she was offered citizenship. America is one of the few countries in the world that offers citizenship upon birth. Therefore, her nationality is Kenyan b/c her parents were Kenyan. Which means she is not Latina. And that is just fine! She is black and Kenyan. That’s a beautiful combination.

        • not a clone

          if you are born in mexico you are a citizen.

          • starapple

            You are 100% correct.

        • IntrovertedSE

          I’m pretty sure she’s Mexican. I see no problem with her claiming both. She seems to have a sense of pride about her nationality.

        • You are an automatic Mexican citizen if you are born in Mexico, regardless of your parents’ status. She is Mexican.

          • Annamuffin

            Is this after they throw you in jail because illegal immigration is a crime there….

        • Candace O.

          If you are born anywhere, you are a citizen of the place. In countries like Italy, they may not hand you your passport right away (unless of course one or both your parents are already legal citizens, in which case, you get it right away), but once you turn 18yrs old, you can file for yourself.

          • peacock

            Not true. There are plenty of countries that do not grant automatic birth citizenship. The country I currently live in does not offer this.

            • Masterpieced

              UAE does not either.

        • solrac

          the new world which includes Canada the United States Mexico and all of the south american and Caribbean countries offer citizenship by birth the reason being when Europeans came to the new world they needed people to populate it even tho their were people here already.

          • pragmatic maxim

            ….to make sure Blacks stayed a minority and that our rights could be ‘legally’ denied

            • solrac

              what are you commenting about it what was done to keep blacks a minority because to seem paranoid

        • Free_Is_Me

          Yes, She has dual citizenship

        • pragmatic maxim

          I’m gonna guess she knows what her birth certificate says just a little bit better than you do

      • Free_Is_Me

        Thank you! She has dual citizenship…

    • Annamuffin

      Your right for some reason black people like to claim other races to sound exotic…. As if saying your mix makes you more alluring….

      • Secret87

        Exactly!

        • Annamuffin

          But see other races aren’t to welcoming to outsiders, black people should take notes…

          • Secret87

            Lol I know. They letting lupita know straight up.

            • Annamuffin

              They always do

          • DA-BIG-D

            THANK YOU! #ONLYLOVEYOURBLACKAZZSELF!

          • pragmatic maxim

            Yet you welcome outsider’s dix all up in your box and call Black men disgusting.

            I think you and that secret87 are the same person.

            …the same completely insane person

            • Annamuffin

              When did I say that? plus I’m still a virgin….

              • pragmatic maxim

                Are you ASKING me if you’re still a virgin?

                • Annamuffin

                  Nope

      • Mrs. Pink007

        That’s true. Some women do do that. However, nowhere in this article does is say Lupita is doing that.The majority of the people calling themselves African American weren’t born in Africa, haven’t lived there or even visited. Yet we have a whole slew of people in American that identify themselves as African American. The woman was born in Mexico and has Kenyan ancestry and his resided in both countries. Identifying as Kenyan-Mexican seems factual.

        • Masterpieced

          Italian-Americans may not have ever been to Italy. It is a stupid argument or analogy.

          • Mrs. Pink007

            How so?

      • Meemo

        Mexican is not a race it’s a nationality. If she were born in America she would be American. American is not a race but a nationality – basically a place where you are born.

        • Annamuffin

          Mexican is not a race, do they know that… Tell that to the people in La raza…..

      • La Dominicana Negra

        Oh, that’s right because Mexican is a race!

        Where do you guys come from, really?

        • Annamuffin

          They act like its a race have you ever heard of Mecha and la raza… For crying out loud la raza means the people….. You guys can tell all the lies you want, but I know all about Mexico and Latin America…

          • Masterpieced

            Annamuffin, you and I disagree on the interracial dating issue. But you are absolutly correct in the cartoon and the La Raza issue. Mexicans are fighting Blacks for the crumbs. They say, “It is our time now”. As if Blacks y’all had your turn.

            • Annamuffin

              Well I’m happy someone sees it….

          • La Dominicana Negra

            Um they can “act” like it all they want, doesn’t make it true. And I am Latina, I know about it too. Mecha la raza? Okay, that’s incorrectly stated, but I get what you’re trying to say. Mexican, Guatemalan, Panamanian nor Puerto Rican aren’t races. They are ethnicities/nations. You can be black, white or Asian and be from these Spanish speaking places. My mom is black from the Dominican Republic.

            • Annamuffin

              Girl I know all about la raza and how racist they are… They preach all the time about taking California and Texas back even though the states were paid for and the spainard are the orginal thieve…

              • La Dominicana Negra

                I don’t disagree with anything written here. But what you’re talking about, is a Mexican issue, not a Latino issue.

                • Annamuffin

                  Well it’s a combination of both and not to be rude but from what I experience and seen, people with your skin tone are usually exclude from the party…. The Dominican republic is colorism hotbed, and they participate in the same foolery…. Just like Brazil, Peru and so on, it just apart of them….

                  The only place that did try to help black folk in Latin America was Cuba, he increased the literacy rate and made sure everybody had an education. Now his system wasn’t perfect America had a big hand in screwing him up but that’s one place that did try… Fidel was just a little to nutty… Brazil is trying to fix things with their affirmative action program but they have a lot of issues to fix before that can even be succesful…

                  • La Dominicana Negra

                    You are absolutely correct in regards to colorism in Latin America.

        • Annamuffin

          To them it is and it will always be, ever heard of mf13….

      • pragmatic maxim

        Yet you and the one you’re talking to only date non Black men.

        The sheer level of your self hatred is starting to make me feel nauseous. Seriously…seek help

        • Annamuffin

          What dose that have to do with anything? I dated one black guy and now I’m with a white guy why are you still mad….

        • Idk Hu R. Yoo

          How the spacely sprockets can you be a self hater if you date outside of your race? Come on now? So…let me ask you: Do you think that Halle Berry is ugly? What about Shemar Moore, or Thandi Newton, or Samantha Mumba, or Rashida or Kidada Jones, or Boris Kodjoe? Are these folk ugly to you? If you have EVER met any of them, and would have at any time in their careers considered dating them…then you are a hypocrite. They would not have existed had it not been for a white and black coming together and finding each other attractive…. But, I DID like at least one or more of your other comments above, outside of this argument here “self hatred,” that’s not nice, and it’s silly. If you’re American born to American born parents and grandparents, then you probably aren’t as “pure” as you’d like to think yourself to be. America has been a racial mixing pot for quite some time now, and she isn’t the only country. Reasons vary for mixation, but when you see someone from Africa–typically you’ll know it by looking at them (be they Somalian, Ethiopian, Sudanese, Nigerian, Ghanian, etc, and so will they know that you’re not African–if you are a typical black American with roots deep in America). I had a nice Morroccan (I thought he was Latino–his name was Pe’le’ or something, and he was Heidi Klum’s color (I guess she’s self-hating too, hunh? But I digress…) black male tell me his theory on why I was often confused with African by many Africans–was probably because most Americans (to his people–Africans) look mixed. And that was a COOL Ureka type moment! Anyway, much love to you pragmatic maxim, you are smart (duh), but I hope that you would consider your harsh words and thoughts on black women who date all of the colors of God’s coloring book. But…to each his or her own. P.S., you’re entitled to your opinions, but just flip them every once in a while and ask yourself–if I heard a white person say what I just said…would I think that they were racist (if all of the races in the conversation had been flipped?) Anyway, much love to you, and tootles! 🙂

          • pragmatic maxim

            First of all…no ones tryna read a whole fricken dissertation. Second…the person I was addressing has a history of making disparaging comments about Black men and Black women. Lastly…your first sentence makes no sense at all

            Good day

            • Idk Hu R. Yoo

              I guess you’re not a fan of “The Jetsons?” Hmm…otay.

      • Masterpieced

        Until it is time to get a scholarship earmarked for African-Americans…..

        • Annamuffin

          That’s why we need to be a seperate class. Every other black group seperate themselves with bussines net works communities and such. But when I say that I’m the crazy one, no there just afraid of lossing the freebies….

      • Crazy Slutty Chola Princess

        Who’s claiming what? She is Mexican, and she is also Kenyan! Mexican is a Nationality. A person can be Black from any nationality or ethnicity. Yeah, you can be black – Korean/Japanese/Australian/Argentinian/British/French/etc. Please understand the difference. Saying she is Mexican or Latina does not deny blackness. Zoe Saldana is Black Latina, so is Gina Torres, Giancarlo Esposito, Laz Alonzo, LaLa Vasquez, Benny Medina, deceased CELIA CRUZ, etc. It’s like saying RIHANNA shouldn’t say she is Bajan because she is denying her blackness. One has nothing to do with the other.

    • speaksthetruth

      very true

    • Raze

      I’ve heard this whole “why don’t black people living in other countries just say they’re only black” bull before, and honestly, I’m getting a little sick of it.
      Let me give you some insight as someone who is not African American and born in the Caribbean (no, I’m not Hatian, Jamaican or from any of those other big islands). For most part, those who are black know we’re black. There might be some who are deluded with the idea that they’re mixed or whatever, but for most part we know we’re black. But our nationalities come first and foremost. I know I’m black, but I identify with my country of birth, not my race.
      That doesn’t makes me better than anyone else, or stuck up. It simply shows our devotion to our countries of birth; the countries who (figuratively speaking, of course) gave birth to us, raised us, housed us, and may eventually be our resting place.
      Not only that, but when people hear the term “black” the first thing that comes to mind is African American, which I’m NOT. So stop whining that others don’t call themselves “black” and would rather identify with their countries of birth or claiming that they want to feel “exotic” or whatever BS comes to mind.

      • Annamuffin

        That’s not what I meant at all I just feel some women like to say that as a dig to black American girls.. Because black men seem to love the idea of being with a foreign girl… For me I feel if that’s where your born your blood line that’s who you are….The thing about lupita is she not Mexican and what black person wants to claim to be Mexican anyway this is the same place that made minini penguin into their national stamp, and that discriminates against their black citizens…

        • AmandaGee

          Lupita is a Mexican. She was born in Mexico and lived there amongst the culture. She is ALSO Kenyan because that is her heritage.

          Nationality=Mexican
          Ethnicity=Kenyan (Luo)
          Race=Black

          She is ALL of these things.

          • Annamuffin

            But they don’t considered her as such, if your born in China dose that make you Chinese no…. People are so desperate to cling to anything….

            • AmandaGee

              It does not matter what they consider her! She is what she is.

              • Annamuffin

                Go deep down to Mexico meet the people that look like you then tell me how cool it is to be a black Mexican… This is the same place that had a Saturday morning cartoon of a black kid depicted as a monkey….

                • AmandaGee

                  It doesn’t matter if being Mexican is “cool” or not. She IS a Mexican Kenyan. Just say you simply CAN’T relate because you were born in the SAME country as your parents.

                  You don’t understand why she identifies with what she does. You won’t ever get it and you’re not trying to. Sorry but its the truth.

                  • Annamuffin

                    Your right I would never want to identify with a country that perpetrates rapid racism…. Maybe since she claims them she’ll build a school for the kids that look like her and give their parents jobs…. Because the Mexican government won’t do it….

                    • AmandaGee

                      You identify with “American” no?

                    • Annamuffin

                      My ancestors help build this country and I don’t know about you but my life is pretty good… I’m not stuck living in a slum, are shown as a monkey, I can go to school get an education and get a job….. I have a history thats celebrated, I’m not a secret…. Some of you guys think America is this horrible place but trust and believe there are worse places to be born black in…. Go to Peru, Argentina, Brazil and Mexico and see how the world really is….

                    • AmandaGee

                      Which makes it even worse! Your ancestors helped build this country yet white people are STILL killing us dead because we’re Black and are NOT paying for it.

                      I love the US, I was born here but If you don’t see that racism is still prevalent in America then I don’t know what else to say to you girl.

                    • Annamuffin

                      Im not marching for criminals…. But there racism and then there Systematic discrimination… What we have is more of class problem, mixed in with a few nuts… But trust and believe there’s worser places…

                    • AmandaGee

                      *Sigh*

                    • Annamuffin

                      Sigh is right unhappy people can always save up and move away…

                    • Grace

                      Annamuffin, no! Sigh is when one realizes they are dealing with one who can never grasp what it is they do not seem to understand

                    • bits

                      LMAO!

                    • I think I just heard your head explode! LOL

                    • Annamuffin

                      Where your comment about the racist tv show proved you wrong on that liar….

                    • Grace

                      Yes it sure did. LoL

                    • Grace

                      Yes it sure did. LoL

                    • Annamuffin

                      Nope you guys are just delusional…

                    • Annamuffin

                      Hmm you never said anything on all the evidence I gave you but yet your still here talking mess…

                    • Grace

                      Really now? My oh my! Are you for real, or do you live in a box. “there is racism, then there is systematic discrimination, and what you have is class problem”. I think you have a problem in understanding what you are saying. I surely think the worst place to be born in or to live in is right where you are, get out and smell the rain.

                    • Annamuffin

                      Nope it’s in Mexico and pretty much all of Latin America were black folk get shoved into slums and their communities don’t have schools and jobs… I believe in Brazil a nice man created a clown school to keep the children of the streets because that about all they’ll ever have…

                    • Grace

                      I give up. But please do yourself some favour, get out of your shell

                    • Secret87

                      Your alive :/

                    • Annamuffin

                      Thank you, these people complain but forget the comfortable place they live in.

                    • Raze

                      YOU might not be living in a slum, but there are tons of other Black Americans who do. They’re called ghettos. What makes them any different than the slims in Peru, Argentina and Brazil?

                    • Annamuffin

                      To be honest I’m pretty sure a lot of those blacks are immigrants and that’s why I said we need to be defined as a special class of people on the same level of Native Americans… Soledad did a documentary called black in America and she was clearly showing Latinos but calling them black and to me certain people bring down our numbers… When it’s negative their black when it’s postive their anything but black…

                    • Raze

                      Oh my God…
                      Please don’t tell me you’re serious.
                      So you’re saying that each and every single black person who, unfortunately, has the misfortune of living in poverty, is not African American?

                    • Annamuffin

                      Well let’s break things up my grandparents range in the age of 80 to 90 and own 3 house each, both sets. Then I have to question these numbers of so called blacks living in poverty…. If you look at all the data blacks should own some type of poperty by now, we do have a thing called a black middle class. Which makes me questions who’s in these numbers…. Also considering most black men back then served in the arm force, we all know they got benefits to put their kids to college and to me something is fishy with these numbers…. If my 90 year old grammpy ex navy is sitting on benefits and living a upper class life I have to wonder about these other folks…

                    • Annamuffin

                      All I’m saying is black families do have money, heck their house in L.A that are owned by black elderly people with oil underneath… There house in the south that have oil underneath…. black people own homes where redevelopment is happening and prices are sky rocking… All I’m saying is something is fishy…. If your a black person with roots to America you should be middle class by now….

                    • Grace

                      Annamuffin, are you trying to say that only immigrant black people are poor? Vote for …….. you know who…, don’t you?

                    • Annamuffin

                      Watch black in Latin America and any other documentry then come talk to me…

                    • Grace

                      Annamuffin, I am sorry I am not only informed by documentaries, but by a whole range of sources including works of academic research, archived evidence, chronicled works, books and my own research. I avoid stereotypes of all kinds, including those on immigrants, races, and all. I know issues of race, nationality citizenship and all are not as simple as you have been trying to put in your threads, they are rather a more complex issue, best understood by having a rather wide information base that includes the perception from the rest of the world, as well as chronicles on the whole issue of human movements and reasons, be they forced, like in slavery, or out of choice to avoid execution or to look for better livelihood.

                    • Annamuffin

                      Your full of crap, I gave proof to how Mexico works and now your trying to back track….

                    • Grace

                      You are very right Annamuffin, yes I am full of crap and am sorry I imposed it on you. I just have one question for you though, Is Mexico part of the same universe we live in? coz it sure sounds like your Mexico is out of this world and therefore is not analogous to our understanding of a country that promotes international cooperation

                    • Annamuffin

                      If it’s so great why hop the border?

                    • Annamuffin

                      If you were informed you wouldn’t say half the silly things you say…..

                    • Grace

                      Sure Annamuffin I would not. Actually I would be less benighted and more astute to intellectual issues on race, citizenry and nationality, pardon me

                    • Annamuffin

                      Slums in Peru, Argentina and Brazil live in trash have you been to the city of God where little kids wait on the streets for their parents to come back with food, and bathe in sewage. They don’t even have schools and a person Lupita color wouldn’t even get a job… You guys should thank the stars…. It’s so obvious you lack knowledge on Latin America and the poverty there if you have the nerve to compare it to America….

                    • Grace

                      Good for you Annamuffin, but that is your ancestors who helped build your country. Why don’t you ask yourself what you have helped build instead? and for your information, the world would be excited to read about one like you, who’s history is celebrated not a secret as well as get a definition of one who’s history is not celebrated but a secret.

                    • Masterpieced

                      If a parent makes wealth, the child inherits it. Ask the Clintons, the Rockelellers, the Kennedys. The price was paid for her.

                    • Masterpieced

                      Helped build? Hell nah, they BUILT IT!

                    • Raze

                      THANK YOU!!!

                  • Annamuffin

                    Google Memín Pinguín that’s the real Mexico, you never hear about….

                    • AmandaGee

                      Girl that is irrelevant.

                    • Annamuffin

                      No it’s not, that’s a cartoon that blasted on national tv, to all the little children…. It’s not irrelevant it’s how they live, it’s how they see you….

                    • Grace

                      Wow, now it is more clearer Annamuffin. I was trying to figure you out through all the threads and I could not make out who you really are, until this post. I think you are locked up in cartoon world.

                    • lmfao!! this comment killed me. dead. completely dead.

                    • Annamuffin

                      You guys are standing for groups you know nothing about…. If you want to praise a place that made a racial character of you their national stamp, and had images of him dancing with Obama on a Saturday morning kid show be my guest… But I’m going to speak about it…

                    • AmandaGee

                      You can speak on it while still acknowledging the fact that Lupita is indeed Mexican.

                    • Annamuffin

                      Their is no such thing as a Mexican they were created by the Spanish and I’m not acknowledge a lie….
                      The Mexican philosopher José Vasconcelos described us as La Raza Cósmica (the Cosmic Breed) because we have virtually all of the world’s skin colors in our demographic rainbow: white, black, red, and yellow.

                    • Annamuffin

                      I’m not talking to you till you google the cartoon…. Acknowledge the racism and stop being pc….

                    • Grace

                      Annamuffin, please visit some good library and read more about black people, citizenship, nationality and racism. You will need to be able to differentiate them all.

                    • Masterpieced

                      I usually disagree with you, but you are on point on this.

                    • Idk Hu R. Yoo

                      Look, Annamuffin–

                      I signed up for this Disqus mess JUST to tell you this: I HEART YOU…and…”You can’t fix stupid!” BTW I stole that last quote from Herman Cain–used to listen to him back before he ever ran for President. But N E Way–here’s the deal: Whether or not the people beating you up are actual black folk, or just pretending to be to sway the conversation (aka to get black people, and perhaps non-blacks reading this piece to believe: “see, THIS is how black people think!”) through artifice…I know not. What I DO know is–when I first heard Lupita claim Mexican I was like, “?Que?” (–>and that was AFTER I confirmed that she had not ONE chalupa, taco, or guac-a-cado in her blood). Your argument attempt to beat it through the heads of the “I…see…RACISM” police will fail. No Chinese, Japanese, etc., logic will convince these here folks that Mexicans are NOT wrong to not see this chica…as a Latina.

                      She is NOT.

                      But…moving on.

                      There is a difference between calling yourself an American in a country where nationality and race are NOT the same, and calling yourself a Mexican when you darn well know you all kinds of Kenyan up and through your genealogy. Are the Palestinans (the Muslim ones specifically)…in Israel…Jews? See, you’d think that logic could solve all the world’s problems, but…alas…it cannot.

                      Thank you for arguing for…*sighs*…the TRUTH! Lupita ain’t no kinda Latina. Celia Cruz=LATINA. Lupita=Kenyan…who likes Carne Asade, tacos, and spent time living in Meh-ji-ko. So, well, may the force (to NOT cave in to foolishness during this discussion) be with you…because, that’s pretty much ALL they EVER do on discussion boards. They take the people who believed in a logical argument, and beat them over the head enough with ludicrousness–that–in tiredness, and polite refusal to argue so much that they feel rude, then turn the logical-minded into what they wanted them to be in the first place–stupid. I have read many a comment board to see this happen ad naseum. MUCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH love to you, Annamuffin–thou hast madest my day!!!

                    • Annamuffin

                      Thank you, at first I thought you were going to bash me but I read your post…. thanks

                    • Idk Hu R. Yoo

                      But I just AGREED with you!!! And paid you 1 million compliments!!!

                      Read it, or I’ll be all frowney faced and stuff, LOL!

                    • Annamuffin

                      I read it…. Thank you they gang up on me all the time ….

                    • Idk Hu R. Yoo

                      Probably, because…you think for yourself! I know, I am my grandmother’s granddaughter…and she thought for herself as well–didn’t always make her too popular (that…and grandmuhmah could be a bit…direct…to say it politely, LOL). But I know that there is a STRONG push to “thought-police” black people. If you dare vote anything other than Democrat–you’d bess hand over the black card. Dare say that 1, 2, 3 white boys are hot–hand over your black card and endure a hypocritical spanking. And if you DARE criticize a our president–well–be sure to pack your bags and move to wherever that dude who leaked the secrets about our government moved to, because you’re about to be tar’d and feathered. I have done like, almost all if not all of those things and well…I learned to rock feathers. MY thing is–I want what’s BEST for HUMAN BEINGS…AND…I HATE lies (to nearly NO end), and my entire life I have had a front row seat into how a LOT of black politicians and blacks in power destroy, poison, and insult/loathe their OWN people–asking for votes in one hand–and then putting every county landfill, leaky-waste water treatment facility, etc on the “black” side of their districts whilst keeping the grass cut, and the money flowing for various “community improvement projects” on the “white” side of their districts. I’ve seen blacks have power and continue to oppress, ignore, and poison their OWN people to fill their wallets. I’m not saying non-black politicians are any better but I’m sick of people holding out that race card (I’m black, vote for me, because I’ll care for you because YOU’RE black), and THEN destroy their own communities, cheat their own communities, and literally steal from their own communities with their other hand.

                      I’ve seen it for too long, and I hate enduring the hypocrisy of blacks who will insult me to my face at that for showing love for men of ALL of God’s creation (i.e. dating outside of my race, or having love shown to me or showing love back to non-black males)–but then–at every chance these SAME “soul patrol” beat cops get–they make jokes at the expense of Africans. You know the ones, “he’s so black, girl, he’s burple,–>a fave line from my Masters Degree holding auntie (who hates light-skinned blacks, too, as a dark-skinned black woman but moving on),” and saying jacka$$tic remarks like “oh, Africans stink,” FOOL. Yet used to straighten her hair immacuately after EVERY gym session along with her other “stustah” used to avoid the sun “I don’t wanna get dAHH-ker (we’re southerners, LOL).” I had to argue to not get a perm (I LOVE straightened hair too, just like I love nappy hair, and kinky hair, and curly hair, and wavy hair, etc–I just don’t like how perms do damage to hair–and I didn’t get why if my white classmates didn’t have to be bothered with making their hair nappy like mine–and actually complimented me on my hair A LOT–I had cornrows–which they thought were AMAZING, lol–I didn’t see why I needed to go through several hours of conditioning, deep conditioning, roller-setting, sitting under a hot dryer–then ironing, etc my hair. Plus, as a kid, I saw how my Euro-descendant classmates, and folk on television thought SOOO highly of Italy, and France, and Sweden, etc where their ancestors where from, and my own people did too, but on the same note were embarrassed about where their main ancestors where from. As a kid, I said–I want to view coal-colored, nappy headed, accent talkin’ Africans the way whites view beige-colored, straight-headed, accent talkin’ Europeans…with love, admiration, and beauty. So…I sought to educate myself, and indoctrinate myself by seeing as many Africans and learning as much about African people’s aesthetic as I could. The result–I STILL get the “oreo” treatment/brainwashed to worship whiteness treatment. Yet the people who get the light-colored contacts, the European hair, and the skin bleach are “real,” and can mysteriously keep their “black card.” I just vented my life’s worth of vents to SOME black people. Thank you, Annamuffin…but more importantly…thank you Madamnoire for allowing me to do so! MUCH love to all, because sometimes, it feels good to just get stuff out. I’d been mentally constipated for a LONG time so…please excuse my diarrhea of the keyboard!

                    • Annamuffin

                      Wow you and me have a lot in common, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been called a bedwench or a s l a v e for being with my boyfriend. It’s just crazy how black people treat those that want to hold people accountable and improve communities it’s just sad… But I know that story because it’s similar to mine, it’s hard being a black consertive or a free thinker if it doesn’t fit the l I b e r a l agenda…

                    • Idk Hu R. Yoo

                      Well, when I was reading what you wrote, even before you’d decided to read what I wrote (lolz), I thought of you as my younger brain-twin sister! 🙂

                    • Idk Hu R. Yoo

                      LOL, as they say online, “ur welcom!” 🙂

                    • Annamuffin

                      Well they always try to shut me up but I stay yapping…

                    • Idk Hu R. Yoo

                      But I just complimented the MESS out of you, because you were arguing MY knowledge of the things pretty accurately…accept…in Brazil, on PBS (back when I was all young and scruff) they had this whole problem of figuring out who could qualify for racial help to get into the university system (or/and get financial help) there…and because the race wasn’t really defined all perfectly–they had some instances where identical (or fraternal, this was ages ago) twins were considered two different races. But then, you have the blacks in Michael Jackson’s “They don’t really care about us” music video (NOT the prison version, but the Brazilian version where some woman says something about “change” in the beginning of the video). Barrios. Also, I remember seeing a partial segment of a Henry Louis Gates show (again…PBS) where he goes to Mexico, sees a statue of a black man who’d helped free Mexicans–and he says, so people LOVE this dude, know he’s black, acknowledge that they have African blood runnin’ all up and through their veins…BUT…still aren’t “jock-ridin'” for black folks? Hmmm…otay. And this was admitted, and understood, and yes, they Mexicans (who were COOL, by the way) in the documentary kept it real 100% and agreed with this and that was just that. So, dude-ette, I AGREEEEEE with you!!!

                    • Annamuffin

                      Omg I love Henry Lou Gates I own that documentary it’s called black in Latin America…

                    • Annamuffin

                      That’s so sweet…

                    • Maria

                      wow why are you all so mad on behalf of the Mexicans? Lupita said she was Mexican because the people of Mexico claimed her and she was being polite. this is her explanation use Google please. in Africa she is celebrated and she does not need to be from there it was all sentiment. that said am from kenya and there are many white people here who were born here and identify with being Kenyan, they are not black in any way but are accepted here and welcomed, Indians too and Arabs. accepting each other is a present each of us should give ourselves, i guess Lupita has the view of the world as i do, we embrace each other.i guess that is why many foreigners come to Africa and decide to live here and die here.

                    • Grace

                      Maria, you have put it so well. Thank you.

                    • Idk Hu R. Yoo

                      It’s funny, your name is Maria 🙂 which of course, as you probably already know is the Spanish/Latin form of “Mary.”

                      That’s cool, what you wrote, during the some Olympic game I remember whites who were African, as in they were born and raised in Africa running for their respective country–like I think one blonde lady for Zimbabwe (I also remember people running for other countries because they couldn’t qualify for their own country, but that is another issue , so back to the matter at hand:-).

                      Your argument has to apply to EVERYTHING, and your argument wouldn’t fly with EVERYONE. You may see people who are not African in blood, but who live there. They may even consider themselves Kenyan, and they have every right to, having lived there for their entire lives, and that’s all that they know. But I’d still make the distinction that they’re NOT Kenyan in the sense that the majority of human beings on the planet view Kenyan, same for the Afrikaans that live in South Africa. True, they have lived there and have birthed many a baby there their ENTIRE lives, but I guarantee you they do NOT, and I repeat do NOT view themselves as AFRICAN in the same since that their black South African countrymen are AFRICAN. Kinda why they had this big thing about Apartheid and all, you know, after us racist, dumb Americans had kinda thrown that line of thinking (legally–separate drinking water fountains, separate restrooms, etc) in the trashcan….I mean, they were so 1960’s in the 1990’s. Fashionably late, I presume.

                      But back to South and Central America: Same way that I’ve heard people whose descendants are from wherever in Europe say that they are Jewish, or German, etc, but that their dad went to live somewhere in South America. They typically, well, the three people that I can speak this of–none of them know/knew each other, just random experiences that I’d happened upon, one of which being my coworker’s wife who was blonde-haired, blue-eyed, and 100% Colombian and her name was like Christina or something (this was back in 2004, so it’s hard to remember), and I pronounced her name in the phonetic way it would have been pronounced like any other Latin American name, and her husband warned me basically that she would NOT like that (they were proud of her “whiteness” if you will, and their son’s also–who was blonde-haired, blue-eyed–nothing wrong with feeling good about your looks, but–see–there was a distinction made in being born and bred, and having generations upon generations of people being born and bred in South America, but NOT being “Hispanic.” “Latino” was slightly better (at least with one dude, whose comments I’d read online), but there is a hands-off-pushing away to denote any further kinship to one’s land if one feels that one’s ancestry is/was superior to the land in which one was born and raised in…no matter how many dern generations! Same for the half-black, half-Japanese children growing up in the Land of the Rising Sun. Those kids are NOT accepted as Japanese, neither are the dreadful Koreans that reside there either (dreadful to some Nationalist Japanese)–PBS did a documentary series on that, too, when I was young. I go by the stories of others, not what I would to see, and I certainly don’t feel people are racist for being accurate (as my personal opinion…which is worth a hill of NOTHING, truly, because Lupita can call herself whatever she wants, she is not interested in my OPINION), but I DO, and I will NOT deny it, the mental disease that TOO many blacks have with claiming everything and anything under the sun that don’t claim them back. Now I went all colloquial on ya on purpose. Don’t mistake my speech for anything other than word play for emphasis. I view words like the game of chess–it’s fun to see the artistic ways in which people (especially, when I was growing up black Americans–and especially the boys, and men who could rap well!) play with language, though others view it (when it’s done by Black Americans, at least, as a sign of non-genteel or low-birth…aka…low intelligence which is hilarious to me, because our past two presidents both graduated from Ivy League schools and I wouldn’t trust either one in an I.Q. test when/if put up against any one of those lil’ kids on “Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader?” AND you DOG GONE WELL KNOW that you wouldn’t either (if money were on the table…particularly your own…no matter HOW wealthy you may be financially, Mah-di-yuh (I was trying to pronounce your name all Ricardo Montaban-y, and I think I failed, but anyway). Anyway, I was making a point here, or there, and now I’m here, and I don’t feel like reading backwards and going back to there, so I’ll end this here, and BTW, Merry CHRISTmas, Happy Kwanza, and have a BLESSED New Year (this, assuming you celebrate any, all, or one of those…otherwise, thanks for reading my words, ‘n scruff, and for responding!! Much love to ya, Mah-thDee-yh (failed again at Latina-fying your name), and have a cool weekend! 🙂

                    • Masterpieced

                      Right. Remember how they ran they (rightfully) Indians out when finally Black Presidents were elected? These other folk in Africa live GOOD lives while Africans still live in Shanty towns.

                    • Idk Hu R. Yoo

                      Thanks MP, I’m sad to say I don’t remember–only because I was just all about Seraphina or whatever the name of that musical was and soundbites (my version of half listening to the news that was on during dinner time–i.e.–the time when all of the cartoons went off for those, like me, who grew up sans Cable back then (only the local channels…hence a lot of public television shows on nature, the world, and…cooking! 🙂

                    • Masterpieced

                      Careful now. I am a Black America who lived in Africa. I saw how in South Africa they are fighting other Africans to leave due to the shortage of jobs.

                    • Maria

                      and?, South Africans have their reasons too, they did wrong, but these were people who were marginalized until about 20 years ago. you think that things will be up and running just like that? aren’t Black Americans still reeling from the fact that they were marginalized for hundreds of years and they lag behind because of that? i make no excuses for my people, but a human being is a human being and we tend to do wrong to each other. but instead of carrying burdens and seeing every other person of a different race that did us wrong as the same we need to see that people are in fact not the same and unburden ourselves.otherwise we will be on these posts mad…

                    • Simone

                      Remember when I said I’m not arguing with someone who says a red apple is green? Lol..good luck.

                    • AmandaGee

                      Mi cyan badda!!!!!!

                    • Simone

                      Exactly!

                    • Free_Is_Me

                      Hahahahaha!

                  • I’m convinced that girl either had a lobotomy or is 14 years old in real life. There is no way someone could be this dense!

                    • AmandaGee

                      idk how else to explain it to her :/
                      I tried.

                    • The part about her not wanting to be part of a racist society was my favorite LOL you were like “uhhhhh do you live in the United States?” “YEAH BUT MY ANCESTORS BUILD THIS COUNTRY.” Um yeah, AS SLAVES. HOW IS THAT NOT RACIST

                    • AmandaGee

                      Exactly! I always roll my eyes and scroll past people who make that comment. Its different when you’re paying respects to your ancestors but it is NOT something to brag about smh.

                    • Annamuffin

                      A gang of the three stooges, you support BLM and love Obama what else is new….

                    • lmfao

                    • Annamuffin

                      Me too you guys are too silly.. You stand for a group of people you know nothing about…

                    • lmaoooooo

                    • Annamuffin

                      Call me what ever but I’m not standing for no Mexicans, BLM, s l u t walks and Obama you guys are brainwashed….

                    • I mean, do you. Your stance on certain groups of people really make no difference to a bunch of strangers lol

                    • Idk Hu R. Yoo

                      My love, did you know that blacks weren’t the only slaves? They worked alongside whites–who were slaves, intermarried, escaped (ran away) together, socialized together, etc.? If you didn’t know that, neither did I, until college…when I read it in my history book. Don’t be manipulated into thinking that that’s ALL our people were…slaves…and had that been so…then they still would have deserved SO much in honor. But please know that the things that are presented to us, much of it can be debunked with actually facts. It’s just not conducive to the writers of our grade-school (and collegiate, typically) textbooks to tell the truth, the WHOLE truth, and nothing but the truth…so help them, GOD, though, so help us all. The Internet continues (and GOOGLE IS BIG ON THIS…SNOPES as well), to make “new realities,” to transform the present, by obliterating, or “editing” the past. You know, as the association of librarians or whomever did with Mark Twain’s book (the took out the “n-word,” from every page it was on, and thus changed the book…citing it was offensive to black people. Hmm…as a black person…I thought it disgusting…wished Mark Twain could have popped up out of the grave and tongue-lashed every single one ‘o dem sum-a-witches. I thought it slick too…soon…just like the historical events of Jesus Christ (did you know that he looked white too (LOLLLL because I’m being sarcastic) and His miracles performed…pretty soon slavery will devolve into a myth…you know…just like Hitler and that dern Holocaust. Our school “system” does exactly what it does to further keep our illustrious and “greedy” government “servants” in power–keep the people divided–keep the people insecure–and keep out anything for the people to uncover the truth–because as painful as the truth may be–it…is…freeing! Our government…like everyone else’s government…has self-interest–the more ignorant and “seemingly” powerless a people are. The more tired they are, the more zombie like they become. And the more fear they have (of their fellow citizens)–the more they [we] will call for more protection, more money, more investment in this and more investment in that by our government for our people (by “our people.” I mean the American people–not just black Americans). The more divided the media makes us, the more fear the media DELIBERATELY propagandizes us (to fear young and old black males–he just wants to rob us ya know, to fear young loner white males, he’s about to shoot up a school ya know, to fear that dude walking down the street–he could be a serial killer after all), the more we’ll beg them to protect us. EVERY day on the news people yell for more police protection in my state. But people in my state can carry their own weapons. NOT to start a gun debate–I don’t have one, but at times I consider getting one–but…in what planet does it make sense that WHILE someone is breaking into your business, or while your house is burning to the ground, or while food prices get higher and higher…we rely on someone IDK how many miles down the street to come and get the criminal (hopefully), come and put out the fire–though a fire hydrant sits RIGHT in front of our house, or to go BACK to growing our own food–that is FREE, and NOT poisoned with cow fecal matter, or lead from China? I’m not saying that these things aren’t necessary (police officers, fire departments, or people in other countries to grow our food), but we, with every year of our life give more and more power to people who have shown a PROVEN track record of not giviing one, two, or three hoots about nan one of us! Metaphorically speaking, I fear we’re going backwards and trusting that which is untrustworthy=power hungry, corrupt, thieving politicians. Don’t like their decisions, but then we keep letting them into office to make ’em. We COULD hold special elections to vote the stinky ones out, we COULD write letters telling them we don’t want them to be all up in other people’s countries when our own is falling apart at the seems, we COULD demand our money to not be used for their glitzy and glamorous lifestyles–but most of us are too tired to do so–at the end of the day, or whatever time your downtime from work is–IF–you’re blessed to have a job or two or three–you’re stressed out, tired–and want to just try to decompress before you go get up and do the same thing over again for 5 more days in the week. This…because you can’t afford anything because that there government of ours (and the ones of other countries) keep making the dollar weaker and weaker. Funny, prices go up, but “we the people” have no change in salaries to meet it. I’ve gotta go, but Imjussayin, an ignorant (of the immense power that they hold, and the know-how-to use it), exhausted, and inferior (feeling) populace makes for a totalitarian future. Check the people who get elected (rich), and check how much money they spend to get elected (a lot), and realize that they are not in it for the money (well, not alone…), they get elected because they like POWER. And funny, they don’t teach this in the textbooks that they write for us to read (in public school). This is all by design…but it doesn’t have to stay this way. It’s up to us. MUCH love to you all!!!!

                    • I have absolutely no idea what your point was.

                    • Idk Hu R. Yoo

                      never mind, themeowster, I just broke it down a bit for the first section, and that’s waiting to be approved by MadameNoire for posting to, so, I guess it’s either the content or maybe I wrote something that made someone uncomfortable, so, I’ll just hope it posts. If it doesn’t, oh well, thanks for reading what I’d written earlier. Much love to you,–someone who takes a minute or two or three to make A point, 🙂 Have a good Christmas if you celebrate it too!

                    • Idk Hu R. Yoo

                      okay, now I owe you like a Christmas gift or a smoothie or something for replying to you so much, but I see that MadameNoire published my last comment, so I’ll post my comment to you that I tried to post a bout 18 minutes ago in smaller segments, and I’ll just number the segments so you can read them in order…if this doesn’t work, I’ll just give up, LOL, and if MadameNoire decides to post or no then that’s cool! Anyway, here goes:

                    • No problem! And to summarize what I think you were saying, I know black people weren’t just slaves (I would be a monster to believe otherwise). What I was saying is that the other poster criticizing another country’s racist history is silly considering she lives in a country that not only has one of the most racist histories known to man, but still deals with it today. 🙂 I hope that clarifies what i said a little more.

                    • Idk Hu R. Yoo

                      That’s cool, MadameNoire still hasn’t posted my comment where I tried to clarify things, but yeah, you got my point (you still deserve like a cookie or a gold star for taking the time to read through it…I’m a bit too talkative…or typative). Anyway, yeah, I said in summation with the comment that MadameNoire has pending that: if people know their greatness…they’ll be more likely to go for more greatness…due to part expectations and part confidence. Anyway, I’d better go and do something in the kitchen…cuz…I’m all hungry, yo! _much love, and have a safe and good weekend! 🙂

                    • Masterpieced

                      Yep mine was on hold too.

                    • Grace

                      You are very right Idk Hu R. Yoo. It is meant to keep people ignorant of the facts, and in the process dominate them. These can never be taught in textbooks, because then, they reduce their ability and tenacity with which to have power over a people and thus dominate them. They would rather feed people, especially the youth, with useless information that bogs them down and denies them time and a chance to seek the truth in their history. They would rather have everyone taking what they pen down in textbooks as the whole truth and nothing but the truth,

                    • Idk Hu R. Yoo

                      Thanks, Grace, and God bless you for your kindness!

                    • no disrespect, partially truth early after Europeans settled in the Americas whites were brought here as indentured servants, indentured servitude was a labor system where white people paid for their passage to the Americas by working for an employer for a certain number of years say like 10 years after that they were freed, blacks were never indentured servant and was forced into the worst and most brutal servitude in the history of man kind, after the Pope of Rome in about 1506 deemed the Moors [blacks from Spain the first black transported to the Americas and made slaves] to be “Outside the Grace of God” meaning they could be forced into bondage forever and they had every intention to go so:

                    • Grace

                      True true true TheBurningBush, and to think that to this day, the ideology that Blacks are outside the Grace of God still holds true in the minds of many! Little has changed over the years, the only thing that has changed majorly is the fact that the thought is not institutionalized.

                    • no disrespect, partially truth early after Europeans settled in the Americas whites were brought here as indentured servants, indentured servitude was a labor system where white people paid for their passage to the Americas by working for an employer for a certain number of years say like 10 years after that they were freed, blacks were never indentured servant and was forced into the worst and most brutal servitude in the history of man kind, after the Pope of Rome in about 1506 deemed the Moors [blacks from Spain the first black transported to the Americas and made slaves] to be “Outside the Grace of God” meaning they could be forced into bondage forever and they had every intention to go so:
                      “Sir, we have as far as possible closed every avenue by which light may enter the slaves minds: if we could extinguish their capacity to see the light, they would be on the level of the beasts of the fields, and our work would be completed and we would be safe.”

                      Henry Berry, Esq,.
                      Speaking in the Virginia House of Delegates
                      Jan. 20, 1832

                      Blacks the descendants of the slaves are a special people, we need to own it, we are not like anyone else here, we didn’t migrate here everyone else did, we were kidnaped transported here and made slave. Peace.

                    • no disrespect, partially truth early after Europeans settled in the Americas whites were brought here as indentured servants, indentured servitude was a labor system where white people paid for their passage to the Americas by working for an employer for a certain number of years say like 10 years after that they were freed, blacks were never indentured servant and was forced into the worst and most brutal servitude in the history of man kind, after the Pope of Rome in about 1506 deemed the Moors [blacks from Spain the first black transported to the Americas and made slaves] to be “Outside the Grace of God” meaning they could be forced into bondage forever and they had every intention to go so:

                      “Sir, we have as far as possible closed every avenue by which light may enter the slaves minds: if we could extinguish their capacity to see the light, they would be on the level of the beasts of the fields, and our work would be completed and we would be safe.”

                      Henry Berry, Esq,.
                      Speaking in the Virginia House of Delegates
                      Jan. 20, 1832

                      Blacks the descendants of the slaves are a special people, we need to own it, we are not like anyone else here, we didn’t migrate here everyone else did, we were transported here and made slave. Peace.

                    • “Sir, we have as far as possible closed every avenue by which light may enter the slaves minds: if we could extinguish their capacity to see the light, they would be on the level of the beasts of the fields, and our work would be completed and we would be safe.”

                      Henry Berry, Esq,.
                      Speaking in the Virginia House of Delegates
                      Jan. 20, 1832

                      Blacks the descendants of the slaves are a special people, we need to own it, we are not like anyone else here, we didn’t migrate here everyone else did, we were kidnaped transported here and made slave. Peace.

                      PS: The moderator got the first part of my comment.

                    • Sorry I tried the moderator got my reply to you and I don’t know why!

                    • Idk Hu R. Yoo

                      It’s cool! You and Masterpieced are the BOMB, and Annamuffin too…with the knowledge, along with Grace! It would be really nice to have some round table where we could have a panel along with others and discuss or more appropriately, “disqus” various matters (political, historical…as it affects today…etc). But, I have a champagne imagination and a beer reality!!! LOL!!! Thanks for taking the time out to read my comments and comment. I have agreed with you and Masterpieced as far as you guys’ upvotes a lot!! Cooh! 🙂

                    • it’s all good we are here to dialog to get understand, learn, help each other and have a little bit of fun every now and then. more power to you.

                    • Free_Is_Me

                      Sad, I gave up before even commenting, lol

                    • Free_Is_Me

                      I’m telling you. My eyes and mind hurt reading some of these comments

                    • Shame on me for feeding the troll! Argh. My head felt like it was gonna explode at one point from reading the nonsense.

                    • Free_Is_Me

                      It’s hard sometimes I know, lol! I’m still trying to figure out where 1Val is, lol.
                      She would light this feed up, lmbo!

                    • omg!! maybe if you click your heels three times she’ll just appear LOL

                    • Free_Is_Me

                      LMAO!

                    • AmandaGee

                      Noooooooooooo!!!! Please don’t jinx it.

                    • Free_Is_Me

                      hahahaha

                • Secret87

                  Preach! And actual Afo Mexicans (who look the part no matter how dark they are…look slightly to more mexican) are over there telling the world they are proud to be blk, but here comes lupita its comical.

                  • Annamuffin

                    And these three say that truth dosent matter….

                • Mrs. Pink007

                  What does the way people feel about you have to do with who you are? The whole world identifies black as the lowest race and there’s discrimination against us everywhere, yet we don’t decide to call ourselves something else because of it.

                  • Masterpieced

                    I guess we are wondering why Lupita is fighting so hard when they do not want her.

                    • Mrs. Pink007

                      Ok, again, what does somebody’s close mindedness have to do with who I am??

              • Annamuffin

                Look up Memín Pinguín…. It’s not a cultural love feast over there, don’t be fooled….

              • Secret87

                Is not!
                #Teamannamuffin

                • Annamuffin

                  Finally a smart person….. Idk what these girls are on but whatever it is makes them delusional….

          • African Woman

            Thank you – I don’t know what’s so complicated about understanding nationality and race. I’m black and I would be black regardless of which country I was born in – but I might be Mexican, British, American etc.My parents’ cultural background would also have an impact on the languages I speak, my connection to certain places, and so forth.

            • Get out while you still can! This thread is a vortex and you’ll be running in circles making all kinds of sense only to realize you’ve been talking to brick walls.

            • AmandaGee

              There’s so much ignorance here I just don’t understand! I honestly feel like it’s only “African Americans” speaking this way because they’re the only group that tries to tell me what to identify as. I’m first generation American so I identify with THREE things just like Lupita. I’m a Black Jamaican-American.

              They can’t relate because the only thing they can identify with is being Black.

              • bits

                I agree that Black Americans, like Americans in general, don’t usually grasp the concept of identifying with more than one nationality because as a whole Americans are not taught about other cultures and histories. The American education system is extremely nationalistic. It’s my understanding that other countries have a broader spectrum when it comes to educating its population on global diversity and history. On the flip side of that, Black Americans tend to be more connected with their racial identity as opposed to their national identity (as so many other people are connected with) because despite the fact that our ancestors built this country we were and continue to be denied our right to be looked upon and treated as “true” Americans. So our “blackness” has been the binding element that we have unity and pride in because historically we have been denied the rights to our own nationality, and I think thats what a lot of latino/caribbean/african Black people don’t understand about Black Americans (why such a strong hold on our racial identity?). The primary reason is because our right to claim our nationality has literally been lynched, raped, and stolen away from us. So that’s why a lot of Black Americans get offended or can’t understand when black people from other countries have a stronger connection with their national origin over racial identity because it has been engrained in us to hold tight to our racial identity because claiming anything else (to us) means and will result in automatic denial. EDIT: Our racial identity has been the only thing that we have BEEN ABLE TO CLAIM the right to be proud of since stepping foot on this land. And even that right continues to be challenged. As a Black American I am curious as to what other Black Americans tell you to identify as. Do they usually just want you to say that you are Black American?

                • AmandaGee

                  I completley understand your points. However, if people from other cultures are trying to educate you on why we identify with what we do and you continue to ignore it then that is just ignorance.

                  The problem in this country is that we have people who refuse to look at the world in the eyes of someone who is not an American.

                  Just because African-Americans claim their race first (this is the ONLY country where people do this) doesn’t mean everyone else in the world has to follow suit.

                  I commented somewhere else the ignorant comments I’ve gotten about me identifying with what I do.

                  • It’s willful ignorance and it’s easier to deny facts than admit you’re wrong and – GASP – learn something new.

                  • bits

                    You’re absolutely right. It’s definitely a combination of “you can’t teach an old dog new tricks” and being brainwashed into the belief that everybody is like you. It all boils down to one thing…ignorance.

                  • Masterpieced

                    It does not make it right or wrong that African-Americnas do this. African-Americans are also the only race to fight to allow ALL people to come to the USA and have Civil Rights.

                    • AmandaGee

                      No it’s completley wrong.

                • This comment was very educational and I really appreciated it. Thank you for the insight.

                • Austinyc1172

                  For me growing up, my parents always made it very clear we are AMERICANS… And to never let anyone tell us differently. I identify as a Black American because of my parents background. My mother is Dominican, my dad is Irish and Black. I can’t claim African, I have African descent no doubt. My barber is from Ghana and he always says Africans see blk Americans as Americans. Like one commentor posted, most Americans who claim A. A. have never been or gone their. I identify as a Blk American who is very aware of the other ethnicities that inhabit my family lineage.. I think people should take the time to navigate their family tree.

                  • Masterpieced

                    An Italian-American who has never been to Italy is STILL Italian.

                • Masterpieced

                  GREAT response.

                  But, I bet all of these Blacks form other places will be in the line for a scholarship that is earmarked for African-Americans. And they also are benefitting from the deaths of Civil Rights leaders and slaves…. smh

              • Masterpieced

                Read the article. It is MEXICANS not African-Americans who were fighting her on this.

          • Free_Is_Me

            Thank you, why don’t people understand that.

            • AmandaGee

              Because they don’t want to.

            • Masterpieced

              Tell that to the MEXICANS. lol

              • Free_Is_Me

                They started it and we tried to finish it, lmbo!

        • Raze

          Believe me when I tell you this, no one is trying to take a jab at black women when they claim they they’re Cuban, Mexican or have Brazilian ancestry. Everyone loves dating foreigners. They’re different, exciting and you constantly clash over cultural differences. But I’ve heard plenty of black Americans online complain that we’re mocking them for claiming our country of origin, when the truth is, the U.S. is practically the only country (or one if the very few) who categorizes its citizens by race. So those of us born in a different country feel frustrated and insulted because while we are of the same race, we don’t have the same culture, we don’t have the same people.

          Lupita is born in Mexico and has lived there. Who are you and anyone else to decide for her what she is? Let her and her passports decide that.

          • Annamuffin

            Then she needs to speak up for the black people that live in Mexico and are being oppressed, if your going to take that title shed light on their dark secret….

            • Austinyc1172

              But maybe that’s not her experience.. not marginalizing that racism exist in Mexico… and it maybe really hard for blk Mexicans… just saying that not everyone has the same experience in the same place.

              • Annamuffin

                See that’s the promblem, they take the title but when it’s time to be it and shed light to help those that look like you it’s not your problem…

              • AmandaGee

                Don’t bother.
                It’s like talking to a brick wall.

          • Free_Is_Me

            Preach

          • Masterpieced

            If they are so frustrated by this country that categorizes by race then stop flocking to this country that is SOOO bad.

            • Raze

              Good grief, you’re hopeless. I never said anything about people moving to or from America. Why they choose to do so is their business and the government’s business, not yours or mine. What I am trying to make you understand is that we don’t categorize ourselves by race. Which is why I want you to stop whining whenever you hear someone say “I’m not Black, I’m Cuban, Dominican, Bahamanian, etc,” because that’s not how we do it.

        • Masterpieced

          Right. I am like why is sh fighting so hard on this?

      • That’s what I think is so difficult for people to understand when it comes to Latinos. We don’t identify by race, we identify by culture. Nationality trumps race, period. It’s the way it’s always been. If you go to Argentina and ask an Argentinian what “they are,” they say “Argentino.” They don’t say white, even if racially, they are. It’s complicated and I hate when folks lump us into the race mix.

        • Annamuffin

          Since when every time I see a magazine or a Latin soap or something in media you guys are as white as can be…. The only way you represent dark people or as monkeys and maids….

          • Links or it didn’t happen.

            • Annamuffin

              Google Memín Pinguín I can’t link images…

              • That’s Mexican, not Argentinian. Show me the Argentinian example.

                • Annamuffin

                  Duro de Domar

                • Annamuffin

                  Then there Negro Mama in Peru….

                • Annamuffin

                  Now your quiet I guess the racist jokes on the shows and the man covered in black face shut you up….

        • Annamuffin

          And Argentina has a popular show that depicts a man in black face acting like a monkey on prime time tv so stop lying…

          • Link or it didn’t happen.

            Also, your diatribe about Latinos being racist has nothing to do with the my comments about how we identify based on nationality first. My Colombian family (which ranges from white, to mestizo, to mulatto) identifies as COLOMBIAN when asked. I understand that it’s something you don’t get because 1) your brain doesn’t function like a normal person who can process language and 2) you are not Latina.

          • BTW I used Argentina as an example because 98% of Argentinians are white. They do not identify by race first, though. It’s by nationality.

      • Masterpieced

        Typically, if you have black skin in the USA (of African descent) you are Black American. You may not be African-American, but you are a Black American.

        If you are so in love with your country, then also deny the American part too.

        I bet if there is a scholarship earmarked for African-Americans your butt will be in the line to get it. lol

        • Raze

          I don’t need your scholarship, because AGAIN, I am not American. And I doubt that I would qualify for any scholarship destined for Americans anyway, so I’d have to pay my ish out of pocket or go to college on a foreign scholarship.
          Who are you to tell someone else what they should call themselves qua nationality? You use hypens too, you’re not anymore special than the rest of the world. Black-American isn’t your nationality, it’s American (highly unpopular opinion here, but I don’t care. You can hate all you want). You want others to drop the hyphens, then start by yourselves.

    • Miss Understanding

      I know I’m petty but, I have to….

      THERE

      There is the opposite of Here. It means ‘in that place’ not here.

      example: My book over there.

      THEIR

      Their is a possessive adjective which is used before a noun. It shows possession, that something belongs to them.

      example: Their house is big.

      THEY’RE

      They’re is a contraction of they are. e.g. They’re happy = They are happy

      example: They’re is usually before an adjective or a verb ending in ING.

      • BrixtonQueen

        I’m having a quiet chuckle. The confusion of those words drives me crazy too. The most annoying for me has to be ‘your’ when someone means ‘you’re’. I know it’s petty but it is so annoying.

    • AmandaGee

      Her identifying as Mexican (which she is) doesn’t make her any less black!
      She is embracing the country where she was born and lived for half her life.
      Her identifying as Kenyan Mexican is 100% accurate.

    • Simone

      She has never said she is not black. Being Latina has nothing to do with race.

    • You can be Mexican and be black. Ethnicity is different from race.

    • kierah

      Black is a race not a nationality.
      It is accurate to say Lupita is Kenyan and Mexican – nationality speaking, but Black racially speaking.