Stacey Dash Believes Rape Victims Are Bad Girls Who Like To Be Naughty

January 31, 2015  |  

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And the award for the dumbest comment of the month goes to….Stacey Dash! The actress recently reminded us of just how Clueless she truly is.

During an interview with FOX News’ Outnumbered, Dash shared her thoughts on rape victims. When asked about Dartmouth College’s decision to band hard alchohol on campus, Stacey suggested college women who are raped are “bad girls.”

Dash started by saying “good” female college students avoid frat parties. As for the bad girls….

The other bad girls–bad women–are the ones who like to be naughty, might go out and play and get hurt and then, you know…But the other thing about this is that it then blames the alcohol instead of the person who over-drinks. So it’s like, the same thing with guns. Guns don’t kill people; people kill people. Alcohol doesn’t get you drunk; you get yourself drunk.

To add more salt to the wound, Dash also had to be corrected multiple times for calling the victims girls instead of women.

Deep deep deep sigh. As a woman, I cannot comprehend how Stacey could insult and belittle another woman like that. Really? Rape is a very serious matter. I’m patiently waiting for someone to check Ms. Dash. Lawd. Here’s the link of her commentary.

How do you guys feel? Is Stacey wrong? Do you agree?

 

 

 

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  • Val

    i guess it is her fault she was abused by her ex-husbands, yes more than one!

  • TiffanyBeautifultiger Mcmillan

    I think she is on some bad drugs. …

  • kcdad

    “go out and play and get hurt” has to be the worse possible euphemism for being drugged and raped.
    … and who is Stacey Dash?

  • provokethought

    When will people stop covering this imbecile?!? No brains whatsoever. ….

  • Hollie Perez

    I think calling them girls is more accurate. considering that these are ladies that are not legally of age to drink. they might be at age of consent, but — when impaired and underage, we’re essentially talking about kids. *shakes head* and calling them girls makes her accusations that much worse.

  • Mahogany

    Throws up hands* This B****

  • hollyw

    Smh this commentary is all types of sad. So many black folks think they’re better and smarter than Stacey Dash, but don’t even realize how closely their ignorant ideals align with hers…

  • Anita marshall

    It’s about right opportunity & availability for a rapist.

  • kym

    Clueless has been the only hit movie this chick has been in and that suited her. Now she has proved that she belongs on the clueless Fox network because they all have their heads up their asses just like she does….she’d better hope that she never finds herself in the position of a rape victim….she needs to be exiled with the rest of her Republican cronies and other like-minded people to their own island never to return, they’re all a disgrace to mankind

  • Live_in_LDN

    The amount of people (in this comment thread) who think rape is a fair and legit punishment for a woman who dares leave her house to sociali, is thoroughly chilling.

  • Lee

    Here’s another one suffering from delusion of inclusion. She thinks white folks love her cause she’s cute. They love finding a n***a like her. They like stirring “our” pot and now they have plenty to help them . . . like this ho and Ben Carson, Michael Steele, etc. What is we going to do? ๐Ÿ™

  • Kay

    She is DEAD wrong. But I do hope that some time in the future we can have a legit conversation about drinking culture in this country, particularly in high school and college, and do it in a way where it’s not construed as victim-blaming or excusing aggressors. I just find it so disturbing that there are men and women who drink to such excess that they literally can’t remember what they did the next day! Even if it’s not tied to rape or assault, we shouldn’t be shrugging off detrimental behavior like that. But back to the question at hand: Ms. Dash was way off-base but she’s served her purpose which is to incite and get like-minded people to rally in her corner. Anything for ratings…

  • saranad

    It’s Stacey Dash…everything she says is nonsense.

    • Keep it coming

      Everything this site posts is nonsense. They are looking for dik riders, not honest opinions.

  • Hope Floats

    See what’d I tell you? When these “journalists” here on Madame Noire don’t agree with you, they censor (i.e. silence) you and your perspective. It seems as if every time a critique or constructive criticism is given to (black) women on this website, the majority of users become upset and offended. Why delete someone’s comments when they weren’t even derogatory or profane? It’s called having an intelligent discussion, or debate. But like children, most women on here resort to name calling, lying, and impulsive behavior.

    • Guest

      Although I do agree that MN should stop censoring/blocking comments that meets guidelines, but your’s was far from being a “constructive critizism”–hence all the backlash. And I also understand the right/need to defend yourself, but your reaction to those that disagree, is a bit over dramatic. Furthermore, you’re resorting to the same behavior “name calling, lying, and impulsive behavior” that you’re accusing your detractors (aka “children”) of.

  • Tori Skidori

    In reading through the comments, I see a lot of discussion about drunk girls at frat parties getting themselves into situations where they are raped, but I don’t see any mention of the guys at these parties. With three sons I had the talk three times about yes only meaning yes if the girl is sober, never drunk. This was for their protection more than anything, as the flip side of the drunk on campus rape situation is that the guys are as drunk as the girls, so their judgment is impaired as well and sometimes they make a bad decisions together that are regretted in the morning light. When that happens, the guy becomes a rapist because the girl was too drunk to give informed consent, but what about his own inebriated state affecting his ability for informed consent? There have been cases where young men’s lives have been ruined by false accusations. It’s not just the girls who are hurt by putting themselves in bad situations with too much alcohol impairing their ability to make good decisions and protect themselves.

  • s dubbya

    The pinnacle of her career was Clueless.

  • etta

    stacey you are so clueless on everything that comes from your mouth, did you go to college cause you are rude and hateful. than again you do work for foxs news.

  • GymJunkie43

    I give Stacey Dash credit. She knows how to say the most controversial, asinine things to get media attention. Who knows what her genuine personal beliefs are. She is a has-been, borderline never-was actress and this is the only way that the media will pay her any mind.

  • TheTruth

    She’s right for the most part. When people throw PARTIES… the ones that people actually call parties … it means a place for where men drug women and rape them. If a woman does not want to get raped, then she should not go to a party! Especially FRAT PARTIES! We ALL know what to expect at a frat party! Don’t want to get raped? Then do NOT go a Frat Party!

    And Stacy made a very good point on how women should be responsible of themselves. Girls blame the alcohol on why she fucked a bunch of different guys at once or why she cheated on her boyfriend, but unless someone spiked her drink, then she CHOSE to get drunk. She CHOSE to drink alcohol knowing that she’d most likely get drunk. Don’t want to do things that a drunk person would do? Then DON’T GET DRUNK! It’s not the alcohol’s fault … the alcohol didn’t jump in her mouth .. she chose to put the alcohol in her body.

    Most girls don’t go to parties unless they KNOW there are guys there that will most likely rape them. If there are no such guys…. most girls will stay away.

    Don’t want to get raped and u go to a party? seriously? That’s what a party IS! A party is when a bunch of people are around and they drug up a girl and rape her.

    • Guest

      Lol! “Most girls don’t go to parties unless they KNOW there are guys there that will most likely rape them. If there are no such guys…. most girls will stay away.nDon’t want to get raped and u go to a party? seriously? That’s what a party IS! A party is when a bunch of people are around and they drug up a girl and rape her.”—I really hope this is sarcasm.

  • Notreally

    I can’t and I wont. I read the headline and made a V line straight to make this comment; how dare you. I thankfully have not been raped but that is by the grace of God because I’ve put myself in some dangerous situations as a teenager but I’ve met and taken care of victims of rape. This chick….I wanna punch her in the mouth so bad. The things she says…..argh I’m so upset I have no words. Do better or shut up.

  • Faith

    Will somebody please stop Stacy Dash? She is at the point of no return.

  • suganspice68

    Stacey is truly an idiot,that bimbo loves attention.

  • Mel

    She’s ignorant and sheltered!

  • Ms. Nor Nor

    I agree with you and HOPE FLOATS. At the end of the day NO means NO. But as a woman i do feel that we need to take some responsibility. I can not tell you how many times I have gone to parties on campus and females get drunk beyond words, go out with people who could care less about what happens to them while intoxicated, and the next morning wake up with no idea as to what happened to them the night before, and want to cry RAPE. In my opinion we as woman need to be smarter in some of the situations we put ourselves in. If you choose to go out and drink please make sure your with a group of individuals who will be there to look after you, and leave you while intoxicated. It’s very simple but again please allow me to be clear that NO MEANS NO, and women in these situations we need to be more responsible

    • Lily

      I don’t know what you mean by “cry rape”. That is the text book definition of rape. If you are “drunk beyond words” as you put it, than you cannot legally consent to rape. THIS IS THE LAW. Therefore men should be wiser and stop sleeping with drunk women, because everytime they do, it is considered rape because she did not consent. There is no “crying” “or “falsifying” in it.

      • Lily

        My apologies: I met legally consent to intercourse

    • Guest1205

      A man who takes advantage of an incapacitated woman is a predator. A criminal. We must never, ever mitigate their actions.

      That said, it makes perfect sense for women to be aware that there are predators out there, and to try to avoid them when possible. If I had a daughter, I would certainly provide her with counsel about that. However, I wouldn’t accuse HER of irresponsibility if a predator committed a crime against her. HE would be the irresponsible one.

  • NewYorkBunny

    I think Stacey low-key wants to be assinated. She can’t truly be this…. ridiculous.

    • too_real

      LOL!!!! Literally

  • Kelley

    I feel like these “girls” are “girls,” she had it correct. The way females act now a days is hardly deserving of the title “women.” It makes rape no more explainable and the man involved no less guilty but come on ladies, you put yourself in certain situations that can compromise your safety and we’ll being. My dad always said “nothing good ever happens after midnight” which is a lesson I took with me through college as I watched a bunch of irresponsible and careless females day in and day out dabble with danger. Not to mention, I have seen it 1st hand when a female makes a bad judgement call and “drinks too much” one night and sleeps with someone on her own accord even though she didn’t quite know what she was doing and she cries rape. That’s not fair, so ever guy is going to have to give a drunk test before interacting with any girl at a party?? And as far as banning hard alcohol on campus, Stacey was right, your not getting rid of the problem, your just pushing it to another direction. If they can’t get Vodka, they are going to turn to pills or something else. Take pride in yourself ladies and know that you are your best protection so watch your choices closely.

    • Chey

      Preach! But you better duck, b/c the “girls” might attack you for speaking too much truth! Or your comment may be deleted by a “girl”.

    • Ms. Nor Nor

      I agree with you and HOPE FLOATS. At the end of the day NO means NO. But as a woman i do feel that we need to take some responsibility. I can not tell you how many times I have gone to parties on campus and females get drunk beyond words, go out with people who could care less about what happens to them while intoxicated, and the next morning wake up with no idea as to what happened to them the night before, and want to cry RAPE. In my opinion we as woman need to be smarter in some of the situations we put ourselves in. If you choose to go out and drink please make sure your with a group of individuals who will be there to look after you, and leave you while intoxicated. It’s very simple but again please allow me to be clear that NO MEANS NO, and women in these situations we need to be more responsible.

      • Hope Floats

        *Decisions decisions*

      • 1Val

        The fact that women are drunk renders them incapable of make wise decisions. The fact that you do not take issue with males taking advantage of defenseless women is quite telling. Because men have personal obligations not to endanger themselves. If a woman is to drunk to give consent to sex that should be a male’s first clue not to engage in sex with her. She couldn’t cry rape if he didn’t have sex with her. Do you see how this works? I totally agree men and women need to be more judicious about situations they pace themselves in. If a male goes out with his “boys” please make sure he knows their character so he won’t be looking at a 10-25 years bid because his boy lacked game with ladies and only way he could get sex from a chick is too get her plastered and take it from her. Males have got to be more careful!

    • 1Val

      The way males act nowadays is hardly deserving of the title men. It makes rape entirely the male fault because he and he alone is responsible for his actions. If a male who has proclivities to disrespect, devalue, entrap and assign blame to women for his poor judgment that makes him a cowardly lying predator. You have also witness firsthand males who harm women hide behing male privilege engage in sluxx shaming to absolve themselves of personal responsibility for their egregious behaviors. Your father’s sexism doesn’t justify your disdain for women nor does you false air of superiority for not placing yourself in harm’s way. For many women have been raped simply because they are women and a predator DECIDED to force sex upon them. Stacey is entitled to her unfounded opinions. Males should take pride in themselves to not ruin their lives by raping women and blame women because they are forced to deal with ramifications of being sexual predators.

    • Kelley

      I think you missed my point. Rape is never OK, and yes there are legitimate cases of rape and I would never begrudge those that have been. I am simply saying that the banning of hard alcohol isn’t going to stop people from making bad life decisions. I do not hate women at all and my dad certainly is the opposite of sexist. I was just raised with certain staples and raised to be able to protect myself the best I can in this messed up world we live in. I know there are bad men and bad women with very bad intentions in the world and that rapes do occur but to throw out hard alcohol as the reason behind the issue is ridiculous. And as far as me gloating about never having been in a situation where I was raped is far from accurate….God is in control of that and I thank him daily that I have been kept safe thus far.

  • Truth be Told

    It all makes sense to her ..

  • Jayda Brown

    Stacey Dash and Sarah Pailin could be related, they both say the most stupid comments on the face of this earth.

  • T.T.

    To be honest,, i believe a lot of times these college girls have sex with someone and regret it later. False accusations of more common than reported by the media. I’m not victim blaming. I am the suvivor of a brutal rape ,that happened when i was 18 yrs. old. These young women should not party alone with unfamiliar people, and not get drunk in public anyone. A lot of females can’t hold their liquor. You should always be aware of your surroundings, even at a party. There is a lot of underage drinking in college anyway.

    • Guest

      Just curious…how do you know that “False accusations of more common than reported by the media.” ? Most of the reports and studies show that it’s the other way around, so just wondering.

  • Ronn Jerard Writes

    This broad should be supporting other women, whose rights are constantly being crushed by a large number of men in this country. Instead, she shows just how stupid and asinine she is by missing the real issue. And how is it that anyone or any publication ascribe value to what she says? She’s not an authority on anything, just a clueless bimbo who is an embarrassment to her gender.

  • Heather Robinson VirgoQween

    Stacey who???

  • Einelorelei

    She lacks empathy. I would hate to be her friend or daughter.

    • roxy

      That’s it right there! I have a friend who was the same way(not about rape), but she just couldn’t understand why people had bad days. She thought everybody should just get over it. Then she lost her father and now she is somewhat depressed. I just listen to her. I want to say so bad how she lacked empathy for others, but until it happens to you, don’t criticize.

  • Samuel

    First let’s hope she was misquoted or misunderstood. If not and she stands by what been printed, then she has no clue. Rape victims shouldn’t be raped– if they’re drunk or not. No one should take advantage of another person.

  • hanalei

    Of course, we have an obligation to be responsible, however, with that said, going to a party does not mean “green lighting” rape.
    Seriously????

  • Grammar Police

    “As a women?” Really, Madam?

  • ladybug

    Rape should NEVER be a consequence of ANYTHING. Rape isn’t supposed to be a lesson learned. The consequences of drinking should be a hangover or embarrassment or oversleeping and missing a final, not a random man taking what isn’t his. She sounds ignorant. I can’t stand her. There has to be a bridge close to her where she can jump off!

  • Trillary Banks

    And to think I wanted to be Dion in Clueless when I was a kid. I wish Stacey Dashingthroughthesnow and her toothless cousin Dame would disappear.

  • .:*whitneyeclectic*:.

    Ladies and Gentlemen, the black Ann Coulter. Giving her crazy opinion on matters and looking like a fool in the process.

    • Guest1205

      That seems to be what she is going for but Coulter is waaaay smarter.

  • DroneRivers

    Fox News can keep her. She represents everything wrong with the network.

  • Zina Gray

    Look for her to be fired in 5….4….3….2….

    • enlightenment

      Fired? In order to BE hired for Fox News, you need to have this logic.

  • Fran

    Wow and this lady actually said that.smh it’s apparent why her career is NULL AND VOID.such a waste of a pretty face.PUPPET FOR OPPRESSION

  • Tereelynn

    I think she is trying to make herself relevant, in a mentally disturbed way but in all honesty if she really thinks like this she needs professional help type that one can only receive in a padded room sort of help.

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  • justsaying24

    So the men is not to blame at all. I don’t care how many parties a young girl goes to if she does not want to have sex and is forced its wrong. I can get behind teaching young girls to read a situation or teaching young girls common sense but rape is a crime. She is basically saying that some girls are asking for it by drinking in college or wearing sexual clothes. No female asked to be raped. It the men fault since women can’t rape their selves.

  • Hope Floats

    I like how the authors of these articles on Madame Noire ask for our opinions at the end, and then delete any comments that they don’t agree with! And having said that, there IS some truth to what Stacey is saying. Many young women on college campuses (such as myself) DO knowingly attend these random, questionable “parties” where they barely know anyone there; they make the decision to get drunk and/or high off something, then wake up the next morning dazed, embarrassed, and resentful…resentful at everyone else but themselves and their decision-making.

    • Guests!!

      So just because you go somewhere unfamiliar to you that may be questionable gives someone the right to rape you? You are just as dumb as she is!

      • Dominique Thompson

        Yeah you didn’t know? Let’s not stop there how about going to an unknown Walmart. You should know better! Women are only allowed to stay home. Men cannot control themselves so if you venture out alone you have to understand that you will be raped! Just deal with it. Stupid crybaby women think they should be allowed to enjoy their lives like other human beings.. The nerve!

        • Chas

          I do see what she is saying in a way (Stacy couldn’t word something right to save her life) I feel like she is just saying you have to take some responsibility for yourself. Of course no one has the right to touch you. But if you go out some where unfamiliar and get drunk and vulnerable you are raising the chances of catching the eye of someone with bad intentions and making it easier for them to do bad things. Its unfortunate that some people do these things and its not always preventable. But its safer to be aware of your surroundings and easier if your not drunk out of your mind.

          • enlightenment

            Are you f**king kidding me right now?

            That’s like saying, “Well! You deserved to get murdered. You should have been more aware of your surroundings instead of texting. Then maybe you wouldn’t have been stabbed to death. Just saying, you should take responsibility for your actions.”

            Erm, no. How about if the murderer doesn’t murder, then murder doesn’t happen. If the rapist doesn’t rape, then rape doesn’t happen.

            • Hope Floats

              Ahh, but we don’t live in a perfect world dear. If we did, murderers wouldn’t murder and rapists wouldn’t rape. Why do you lock your car doors? Why do you lock your home’s doors? Why do you lock your windows? All preventative measures right? A person who didn’t take these measures would have a hard time garnering sympathy if someone were to break in? Right? Of course, no one deserves to be robbed or raped, however placing yourself in a risky situation, AND becoming intoxicated/high in the situation, THEN acting shocked when something bad happens in the situation is naive and foolish.

              • 1Val

                Of course, intoxicated predators, beta males are proned to assault women in sexually charged environments. Its naive and foolish to expect males inclined to rape to blame women for their proclivities.

                • DA-BIG-D

                  And what are most frat parties filled with? Beer drinking, intoxicated beta, alpha male, d personality type males. Geeeeesh, when is it going to get through to these girls. Heck, you would think they would at least switch it up a bit and invite a few cut boys to the sorority house for a party where the girls outnumber the guys. Isht, cook the boys up a good meal. Show em their domestic skills while ensuring their is some degree of safety in numbers.

                  • 1Val

                    Perhaps it will get through to these girls when it registers for these boys. A party isn’t a cooking class. Instead of concerning themselves with safety in numbers lets focus on men and women exercising common sense of self respect to not ruin their promising futures.

              • enlightenment

                You know what’s the best way to prevent rape? DON’T RAPE.

              • Anonymous

                speaking as someone who was a victim (not on a campus or in college) I can say this ….. was I in the wrong place, Yes, if i were’nt around the ppl i was around could I have pevented from happening idk maybe… Me being older now I realize that victim blaming is 100% wrong but I also feel like if I had a daugther i would be doing her a disservice by not telling her to be aware of her surroundings and not put herself in comprimisng situtations where predators are sometimes found….Can you prevent ALL….. HELL NO…. is it the victims fault HELL NO … should you be careful YES and if i had a daugther there are some situtations i would tell her to avoid to prevent the likliehood of something bad happening to her

            • oscardgrouch

              I totally get what she is saying. In our everyday lives there a choices we make and sometimes there can be positive or negative outcomes. I can go jogging in Central Park at 1 AM if I want to and if I am robbed/attacked, it’s a sad situation. However, I could also choose not go at a time of day when the chances of me being assaulted are higher.

              No one is blaming the victim but it is a known fact that many of these sexual assaults on campus are directly related to binge drinking/drugs for both men and women. Female students cannot control the actions of male students but they can take precautions to try and lessen the likelihood of an assault. Limiting how much you drink is one way to at least ensure you are in your right state of mind.

              I’m sure many of us were told not walk down a dark alley at night. It doesn’t mean if you do, you deserve to be attacked, but it’s a sound piece of advice.

              • enlightenment

                I understand this.

                But like someone said previously, it’s extremely dangerous to blame the victim for a rape — a crime that has historically exonerated men, but often accuses women for supposedly “green-lighting” such despicable behavior. This kind of thinking spurs men to force themselves on women because “Hey, society says she was ‘asking for it.'”

                Women go to college parties. A lot of them do. They also drink. A lot of them do. It makes no sense to fault them for being raped just for trying to enjoy the “college experience.”

                • examplesample

                  But the “college experience” nowadays is quickly becoming “being raped while drunk”. We MUST stop this! One way women can stop this is by being strong & smart. Let’s NOT poison ourselves with ethanol to the point of delirium or unconsciousness. Let’s stay sharper than the drunk boys and protect our sisters. Women cannot make men stop raping, only men can do that. We need “bros” to check their “bros” and call them out for misogynistic behavior and speech, but they’re not going to do that. Go lecture them.

            • Chas

              I did say its not always preventable…did you read that before you wrote this? If someone is determined to try to rape you then its what they will do. I didn’t say don’t entice men and you wont get raped I said don’t get sloppy drunk in strange places (or at all cuz its never a good idea) and you will be less of a target or at the very least have a little more credibility when and if you do report it. Its like drinking and driving. If you don’t do it, it wont always prevent an accident but it will lessen the chances. Again that’s how interpreted her statement. Its Stacy Dash and I could very well be giving her too much credit.

              • Guest1205

                The drunk driver is accountable for the accidents that they cause. The rapist is accountable for his decision to rape a drunk or incapacitated woman. That’s a big difference. Flawed analogy.

                • Chas

                  Yes they are responsible
                  for their actions and I am not in any way taking the responsibility away from
                  them (clearly unless you didn’t really read) But we take precautions every day
                  to make bad things a little less likely every day because that’s the world we
                  live in. A woman should be able to get sloppy drunk and parade around wearing
                  next to nothing and not have to worry. But that’s NOT the world we live in. We
                  have to protect our self the best we can. To go out and get drunk
                  around a bunch of strangers is naive and careless considering what damages may
                  come with it. Itโ€™s not about victim shaming itโ€™s about making women aware just like we do about drinking and driving

                  • Guest1205

                    Chas, obviously I can read. To question my literacy because I pushed back on your statement is unfair.

                    I am only saying that the analogy that you used before was flawed. And you just used it again. Drinking and driving (where the drinker is accountable for bad outcomes) and drinking and getting raped (where the rapist is accountable for the bad outcome) are not analagous situations.

                    You should people against drinking in both of those circumstances, but the warnings are elicited for very different reasons. When you analogize the rape situation with drunk driving you ARE inadvertantly victim shaming.

                    • Guest1205

                      Oops. I should have written that “you should WARN people against drinking in both of these circumstances”.

                    • Chas

                      No its not inadvertently victim shaming. I am sorry you didn’t understand my analogy. In all I am saying you cant help what other do to take simple precautions to help avoid becoming a target. I don’t give anyone who would prey on someone, especially someone who is vulnerable, any kind of a pass. I think its just as disgusting as everyone else. HOWEVER when i read a story about a girl who got drunk and passed out and then was taken advantage of I cant sympathize completely. I never feel she deserved it but I do wonder…. what made you think that was safe? Just as I would think if someone was robbed because they slept with their doors unlocked. That is all. I’ll never understand why we only insist on teaching boys not to rape but never insist on teaching our girls to protect themselves. What you call victim blaming I call educating women to be aware. Its really that simple

                    • Guest1205

                      Chas, you underestimate me. I completely understand what you are saying. I focused on your ANALOGY which is flawed in an analytical sense, and I think that there are important implications to that. I have explained why more than once so let’s just agree to disagree on the ANALOGY.

                      Thoughtful parents coach their girls to be careful at parties all the time, by the way. As they should. This coaching happens a lot (at least with the parents I know), but young girls don’t always heed their advice.

                    • Hope Floats

                      Don’t waste your breath. The message of accountability and decision-making has been heard, but what they do with it is out of our hands. Peace

              • enlightenment

                I understand the concept of “taking precaution.” But when you tell a woman who was just having fun at a college party that she deserved what was coming for her when a man forcibly undresses her and violates her, you’re perpetuating internalized misogynistic beliefs. “It’s the WOMAN that should tone down. It’s the WOMAN that needs to this and that.” How come in your whole discussion, even in Stacey’s comment, there’s no talk about how men should be taught to respect women? It all sounds like the “Well, boys will be boys.” brush-off.

                It’s very dangerous to victim-blame a rape survivor. People wonder why so many women do not report rape to the police. Well, It’s this kind of thought process in society that discourages women from doing so.

                • Chas

                  At no point ever did I victim blame or say a victim of rape deserves it. Nor did I say boys will be boys or anything to that effect. I said its not always preventable. But women (and I am one) should take some precautions when going out. I would love for all rapist to understand that its not ok and they should have been taught that but I cant help them I can only help myself. And women should be taught that. It would be nice to be 100% safe when drunk at a party full of stranger but its never been that way in this world. If you understand why you lock your doors or protect your pin number then you should understand why you don’t put yourself in these situations. Women need to be educated on how to care for themselves when it comes to taking precautions as well as what to do in the event of that kind of tragedy.

                  • Lily

                    Why isn’t that level of responsibly NEVER put on men. Why are boys never taught, “don’t sleep with a drunk girl, , because she can’t consent”. Why are laws like “no means no” not enough, and California had to create ” yes means yes”? Even though the LAW is on the victims side, why are women given the responsibilty lecture And men aren’t?

                    Area they wild animals and they can’t control themselves or will boys just be boys?

                    • Chas

                      That level of responsibility IS on the men. I would hope that parents of boys would teach them that. But this isn’t about that. Rape has always been a thing just like murder and robbery and any other crime you can think of. This is about women protecting them self. Its always a shame when a girl is taken advantage of. Once I got to high school my mother taught me if I chose to drink I need to follow simple guidelines. If I sit a drink down never go back to it, never take a drink I didn’t watch get made and always know my limit, never drink so much a cant think for myself. I’ve always followed these rules to protect myself since I cant control the actions of others. That it the bottom line. YOU CAN NOT CONTROL WHAT SOMEONE ELSE MIGHT DO SO BE YOUR FIRST PRIORITY. I wish people would stop replying to me about “what about the boys” as if i ever gave them a pass. I watch my alcohol intake for the same reason I lock my doors.

                    • Peter Woods

                      double negative: “isn’t” and “never”.
                      -Grammar Police

                      ps: if we stop talking about has beens like Mrs. Dash, she will go away and her opinions won’t matter.

                  • enlightenment

                    No one is saying that one shouldn’t take proper precautions. Again, I told you that I understand this and I agree with you.

                    But to hold a woman accountable, because she drank too much, for her rapist’s actions is absolutely unacceptable. The same way you say that there will always be rapists — there will always be women go out and drink. So the fact that you only stress that women should be “educated,” but make no indication to how men should be taught to respect women in unsettling…

                    Think about it. The message in our society/media rarely ever say “As a man, you should never put your hands on a woman without her consent.” But we always hear about rape whistles, don’t wear this, don’t do that…

                    We basically tell women to be equipped for war & play defense, but we take no offensive measures to drastically reduce the number of enemy attackers (rapists).

                    • Chas

                      Never did i hold a woman accountable for rape because she drank to much I did say she can lessen her chances of rape by not putting herself in a vulnerable and helpless position. As i said (and again you didn’t read it) parents of boys should teach them not to rape and how to be respectful and not take advantage of women. I know I would if I had a son. I have a daughter and cant control how the sons of others are raised so I stress women protecting themselves because it helps. We cant stop every rapists thoughts, motives or actions (at least not yet). The other reason I stress that is because if she does report it her credibility, unfortunately, is questioned. When a woman gets wasted at a party and is raped that is just one of many things that damage her after. So yes ladies get educated about the precautions.

                    • enlightenment

                      I don’t think you understand my point. Let me pin it down for you. My issue here is that your first few comments only zoomed in on how a woman should defend herself. It was only after a few posters pointed this out, you conceded to the fact that men also need to be taught.

                      Why are men always an after-thought when it comes to rape “education,” when they are the perpetrators?

                      And another problem here is that you’re assuming that most women who get raped place themselves in such situations. There are women who go through life, sloppy drunks and all, who have never been raped. Meanwhile, many women who are…by your standards…not “susceptible to rape” (conservatively dressed, doesn’t go out drinking, etc.) get sexually violated.

                      From what I know, most rape victims know their attackers. They’re not strangers. And perhaps someone they thought they could trust (friend, family member, neighbor, etc). So the concept of “risk” in the typical “rape situation” is not detectable if you’re in the presence of someone you know.

                    • Chas

                      We are talking about one specific scenario here because that is what the article was talking about. I am well aware of the other scenarios and circumstances.I am not assuming anything just sticking with the topic. My comments zoomed in on women protecting themselves because of the article and what I felt her point may have been. I didn’t think I needed to emphasize on men being taught not to rape because that obvious and we all know that. And it wasn’t what the article was about. Men are never an after thought. Why does giving a woman some responsibility for her own safety make you feel the rapist is over looked?

                    • khadija

                      Yes his is very true most victims do know there attackers its not always the stranger in the bushes or at the party

      • Hope Floats

        I knew someone would say this. When did I ever state that it was ok to rape anyone? I simply gave you a (very) common scenario in which young women don’t exercise wise decision-making on college campuses. RAPE IS STILL RAPE, WHETHER THE VICTIM OR THE PERPETRATOR ARE INTOXICATED OR NOT. My point is that these stories have become so common, you’d think that young women would exercise at least some precaution. Should rapists be tried and imprisoned? Yes. Should young women on college campuses TAKE HEED to other past stories of this happening? Yes.

        • DA-BIG-D

          If this story was about a young black man hanging out with gangbangers, drug dealers or other unsavory characters and getting hurt, shot arrested, the comments on here would be different and aimed at his lack of personal responsibility in selecting friends or going to dangerous environments. WHY CAN’T WOMEN EVER BE WRONG AND BEAR SOME RESPONSIBILITY? no it isn’t right and it isn’t fair, but it is what it is. I would not stake my personal safety on expecting young, h0rny, inebriated frat boys to exemplify morality, character, ethics and respect.

          • Chey

            “WHY CAN’T WOMEN EVER BE WRONG AND BEAR SOME RESPONSIBILITY?”
            This!!!! My question exactly! I mean, that seems to be the case with a lot of the women that comment here on MN! Accountability means nothing to them! It’s always the man’s fault!

            • Guest1205

              If you get RAPED it is the man’s fault. These women are not MAKING people rape them.

              • oscardgrouch

                No one is saying women are making men rape them. They are saying there are precautions we can take to try and diminish the likelihood of a rape.

                Would walk in a dark alley at night alone??? No, because you know it my not be the safest thing to do.

                • 1Val

                  Is that more of a reflection on women or quite telling of our overly sexist violent male culture?

                  • khadija

                    I just feel ike everyone should be honest rape has been goin on since the dawn of time there’s clearly nothing were able to do at this time to change the minds of rapist… rape happens to all kinds of victims in all kinds of situtaions and its a horrible part of the world we live in some of us have to endure this horrible thing and theres nothing we could have done or said to prevent it from happening but whats wrong with telling our girls to be more careful with their lives since we cant fight the whole world and make ALL rapist stop raping whats wrong with equipping them with knowledge that would give them a better chance of not endingup in the wrong place at the wrong time … IJS

                    • 1Val

                      Why is the onus on women for rapists?
                      What’s wrong with telling and teaching our boys to value women?
                      IJS

                    • khadija

                      Ive read your post and i fully agree with and understand your point I wish it was like that and as a mother Im gonna make it a point to make sure my son treats women as they are queens but i cant raise everybodys son and as you can see by statistics and by some of these asisinine posters some ppl refuse to hold men accountable for there actions and as a women , a victimm, and a mother living in this demented reality im gonna do the best i can to let mine know what to look out for until (if ever ) ppl change and start thinking the same way you are

                    • 1Val

                      We raised our son to treat himself as a king. If a person lacks self respect they are incapable of respecting anyone else. Human nature is self centered so appealing to anyone to think more of others than themselves is unrealistic. My comments were all things my husband and I said to our son.

                      It truly wasn’t about how our son perceives women but consequences of him having poor judgment in reference to women.

                      For him it was/is a matter of empowering others to destroy his life. As a result of our son’s self respect it demands he treat others including women with respect. If sexism were approach as detrimental to men more of them would NOT participate in it. The light bulb going off for men to respect women after lost careers, futures, freedom and/or lives is too late.

                    • khadija

                      my son wont be lacking any self respect I simply was making it clear that he will respect women, not put them above himself. I myself dont make it a point respect other ppl out of the fear of consequences I might face if I dont. Furthermore are you infering that no one who rapes respects themselves and thats why they do it … Bill cosby has alot of rape allegations against him do you think he wasnt taught to be self respecting person or that he doesnt have any self respect? He’s just an example by the way

                    • 1Val

                      No one can respect others if they lack self respect. Its not a gender issue.
                      A rapist lacks many things with self respect being one of them. Bill Cosby is an alleged rapist.

                • Guest1205

                  No, I would not walk down a dark alley at night alone if I could help it. If I did and got robbed though, the cause of the crime would be the predator’s actions. That is all that I am saying. If we are ever going to make a dent in this problem, we have to hold these rapists accountable and stop obfuscating the issue by excoriating the victims.

                  • oscardgrouch

                    I get what you are saying but we cannot wait for the tides to turn and think a sexist society is going to change overnight. In the meantime, there is nothing wrong with teaching young women hos to protect themselves and things they can do to try and reduce the the chances for being victimized. Again, it’s no different than telling a male or female dangers to watch out for. We listen to folks who give us advice on the safest place to park in a parking lot, how to have your keys ready, not fumble around in a car….no it;s not your fault if you are carjacked, but we teach ways to minimize the likelihood of being a victim, I don’t know why folks are up in arms when the same advice is given to young co-eds.

              • DA-BIG-D

                You don’t make people rob you or break into your home. So what do you do? You take preventative measures before it evenhappens because you research, you listen to the news andyou are aware.

          • Hope Floats

            EXACTLY. You hit the nail on the head! It is very disheartening and quite frankly, scary, that most of these GROWN women can view something as serious as this so naively and childlike. And when I say childlike, I mean they exercise absolutely no accountability for their actions. They simply refuse to admit that ultimately their poor decision-making is what led to their poor consequences. This can even be applied to the majority of black single mothers who mostly recite the same old tired monologue of ‘he’s a deadbeat dad, that’s why my life sucks, etc.’ I’m just like, yea…but, YOU CHOSE HIM. But let me stop lol smh

            • DA-BIG-D

              Its because we have trained this generation of young girls/women to think/feel they can do no wrong. They are “divas” and “princesses”. The wrong for everything in their life, their relationships, their community ALL falls on the man.

              • PerfectImperfection

                True indeed!

              • 1Val

                Its because we have failed to train our young men that self respect begets respect. They are lost without moral compasses, faulty logic, warped value systems and adrift without adequate parental guidance. The wrong for everything in their life is their mother’s faults for they were too controlling, too busy working, emasculating, ran daddy off, couldn’t keep a man, thought she was a man, society is out to get them, etc…

                • Hope Floats

                  And those would all be validating excuses, temporarily. But it’s up to YOU to define yourself as you become an adult, not your past circumstances. *Accountability*

                  • 1Val

                    My comments were facetious responses to Da Big D.

                    • Hope Floats

                      Duly noted, however I stand by my reasoning ๐Ÿ™‚

                    • 1Val

                      Of course you do!

                  • Khadija

                    I feel like your not holding black men accountable for anything so we as black women should just disassociate with all black men since apparently they cant help but be rapist and deadbeat dads … SMH all i was saying is that we should teach our sisters to protect themselves but im not gonna sit here and give the men a pass for their bad behavior and say black women are the problem obviously its our sons who have a serious problem not to mention entitlement issues as they are the root cause

                    • Hope Floats

                      I agree with you, however the original topic of this whole discussion was young women and frat parties. So that’s what I chose to elaborate on. If you or anyone else would like to discuss the issues facing young black men and THEIR decision-making, then feel free by all means. But to knowingly and falsely claim that I support rape and all this other nonsense is quite obnoxious and sad to say the least. In my opinion (and experience), America, along with the great support of black women, have resorted to beating a dead horse when it comes to blaming/criticizing/shaming black men for everything wrong in the black “community”. Just remember that these so-called ‘sorry men’ are only products of their environments. Who is it that continues to exercise such poor parenting skills to raise such ‘deadbeat men’?

                    • Econ1

                      college frat party… ok freshmen women go and enjoy… get sloppy drunk and you will wake up with sore private parts. I guess no one on MN has ever heard of this happening? Stacey was saying what many parents advise their sons and daughters; don’t get yourself into trouble!

                • anonymouse

                  I said this in another post- ‘why don’t people teach their sons to not be so wh0rish and thirsty for a piece that they won’t put their selves in the position to be accused of rape?’

                  I got no responses for that one! lol!

                  • 1Val

                    As the mother of a son our primary focus was to rear, protect and educate him. Any male lacking self respect will find himself in precarious circumstances. Men and women must control their sexuality instead of allowing their sexuality to control them. I never worried about my son making bad decisions but I did worry about his acquaintances because we didn’t rear them. Teach boys to protect themselves, value their futures and help others. According to breaking the law, the hands of one are the hands of all.

            • 1Val

              No ma’am.
              Its disheartening others assigning women responsibility for male behaviors.
              If a male decides to rape a woman regardless of his surroundings that was a choice he made independent of woman’s behaviors.
              Black single mothers may have been duped, abandoned, divorced and/or widowed none of which makes single parenthood their sole burden to bear.

            • Notreally

              You just HAD to bring up race. Women who end up being baby mamas is not for only one single race. If you want a make point make it but don’t come for A WHOLE RACE of women fool.

            • Guest

              I get what you’re saying, but the problem with it is that it is poorly worded. I know your comment was not intended to excuse rape, but indirectly it does read that way. We have to be careful when discussing such a sensitive subject as rape, so you do have to take into account how it is presented; This is the problem with Stacey Dash’s comment. The reason why many women on here are rebuffing your comment is because we have to have a no tolerance level or excuse for rape–no matter how bad the woman behaved, acted, dress or drank. Rape should NEVER be excused as a “consequence” of these things in any way shape or form because the onus of the rape is ALWAYS on the perpatrator–To do anything less, would set a very dangerous precedence.

              So in terms of your comment that women “exercise absolutely no accountability for their actions.” that is because the accountability falls squarely on the criminal. Makes no difference if she walked around naked, left her doors unlocked or windows wide open. Now in terms of your original comment, I do agree that these things are preventative measures and falls in line moreso as a form of self defense. Had Stacey presented her argument in that manner, I don’t believe she would getting as much backlash.

              • enlightenment

                That’s exactly what I was trying to say. Thank you for articulating it. Couldn’t have said it better myself.

              • PerfectImperfection

                “Makes no difference if she walked around naked, left her doors unlocked..” I beg to differ. This blindness and naivety is a huge problem in today’s society. We don’t see things for what they really are. Don’t walk into a lion’s cage and expect to not get eaten. Being a ‘victim’ of any crime does not and should not absolve you of responsibility for your actions or decision-making.

                • Guest

                  Wow! If peole are being “naive and blind here”, then you are wilfully being obtuse. My statement was in terms of why there is a ZERO TOLERANCE LEVEL FOR CRIMINALS and it’s because, anything short of that would shred away at the decency of a civilized society. This is not debatable, in terms of moral conduct (self control) and our criminal laws, your argument is a fallacy. So again, as long she does not consent, it makes NO difference if the women is stark buck naked. The rapist will still be arrested, still be charged and still be convicted.

                  This is why criminals don’t use such ridiculous defense–the door was open so I couldn’t help but rob him; her skirt was too short so I coudn’t control raping her; the child winked at me so I couldn’t help molest her. They are all fails.

                  The thing here is, we maybe arguing two different points in regards to my statement, as well as the fact that, in terms of risky behavior we are in agreement. The issue was simply, when discussing such a sensitive subject, the terminology used makes a huge difference on how well it’ll be recieved; trigger words such as “consequence”, “accountability” reads as victim blaming and replacing it with risk factors and risky behavior is much more fitting. Also, “victim responsibility” is called victomology in the investigative world, same principal minus the victim shaming–it makes a huge difference.

                  • enlightenment

                    RIGHT!

              • Guest1205

                Well said.

            • Guest1205

              The rapists are making poor decisions and the rape victims are not consciously “choosing” to be raped like a woman chooses a deadbeat dad.

          • Guest1205

            Not a good analogy. A guy hanging around drug dealers knows that he is hanging around criminals. A girl going to a college party likely doesn’t.

            • DA-BIG-D

              Okay. So she is working on multiple degrees but doesn’t know how to research these occurrences to young women on college campuses? She doesn’t watch the news? Her parents haven’ had that talk with her? She doesn’t attend those campus crime watch meetings? GTFOH.

              • 1Val

                The same argument could be made for males. He didn’t watch the news? His parents didn’t talk with him? He didn’t attend those crime watch meetings?
                In society’s haste to blame women oftentimes fail to address dire consequences of males who engage in negative behaviors. In fact, if more emphasis were placed on men I’m willing to wager it would deter this criminal action.

                • Khaidja

                  VERY VALID POINT… but they aint trying to hear that

                • anonymouse

                  As I said before, rape won’t be taken seriously until it starts to happen more to straight males. The superbowl is today and lots of people are gonna be having parties and a lot of drinking will be involved. By these people’s logic, if a man has too much to drink or has something slipped in his drink…..it’s his fault if another male s#xually assaults him. he should’ve known what was gonna happen being drunk around people he didn’t know, right? That’s some twisted logic right there.

                  • Econ1

                    by that logic strong-arm robberies of iPhones, Pads, etc. should not happen because men get taken all the time. Just aimlessly walk in the wrong area with you ear buds visible in any medium to large city anywhere in the USA and you will get taken!

                    • anonymouse

                      Stop trying to justify s3xual assault. What is the ‘wrong area’? My previous residence was in a nice part of town and that didn’t stop a dude from trying to break in. So it was my fault that I had an air conditioner unit in the window and it was easier for him to attempt to break in? By contrast, my residence before that wasn’t in a great neighborhood and I had no problems…..the point is-the criminal minded will always find a way to commit crimes. Banks get robbed all of the time……it’s their fault for having money?

                      Males get upset when they’re told that they’re not entitled to s3x because they paid for a date, they got led on, she wore something. she was drunk…etc. The women who agree with that have been brainwashed into believing that they do have a s3xual obligation, but that’s not true and it doesn’t work like that

              • Guest1205

                Of course I agree with what 1Val is saying below. These “occurances to young women” are crimes.

                If we want this issue to be resolved, we must attack the root cause of the problem….which is the rape. Therefore, go after the rapists and hold them accountable. We must not blame the women for the actions of the predators.

                • Econ1

                  You may want to catch up on your nature show viewing… predators always seek out the easiest prey. If you want to change the nature of “Predators”… good luck with that; it’ll never happen. The only prey that survives are the ones that pay attention to the lessons of their parent(s), and pays attention to their surroundings (male of female). The fantasy world where predators don’t pounce on easy prey does not and will not ever exist!

                  • Guest1205

                    Who said that predators don’t seek out easy prey? Not me.

                    Unlike the animals on nature shows (and I have seen plenty) the human males in these situations have a moral decision to make. Human beings have a conscience and the ability to distinguish right from wrong. The human predator makes a decsion to rape someone. The men who are more influenced by a moral code don’t “pounce on easy prey.”

                    Due to the fact that morality is involved in these situations, and that morality is taught…I have hope that things can change or at least improve.

            • DA-BIG-D

              And what does this girl think she is getting at these parties. A room full of tibetan monks? Geriatric seniors in rocking chairs? No! A bunch of dumb, h0rny jocks! She doesn’t go to the parties with the boys in the astrophysics club, does she?

              • Hope Floats

                Lol correct again sir!

            • Econ1

              So there is no difference between criminals and college frats? come on now didn’t you attend college, don’t you remember any parties where an intoxicated (drug/alcohol) person gets got! It happens any place you put young adults – drugs/alcohol – twerking – festive atmosphere. Race has no bearing only the above circumstances and more often then not by the end of the night someone did waaaaaaaay more than they intended. Happens all the time.

              • Guest1205

                First, race isn’t relevant and I did not mention it. I got my degrees a long time ago, went to a lot of parties where people were drinking and don’t know of a single incident where anyone got RAPED. I don’t believe that it happens ANY place you put young adults who are taking drugs or drinking even though times have changed.

                “Doing more than you intended” in this case is a criminal act. The criminal should be held accountable.

                Honestly, do you think that frats condone criminal acts? They do have codes of conduct and people who violate them often face sanctions.

          • oscardgrouch

            Exactly. You can’t control the actions of others but you can control your actions.

          • 1Val

            If your assertion of women’s failure to assume responsibility for their behaviors is accurate perhaps those women are following tactics of deflect, shame and deny men engage in.

            • DA-BIG-D

              Who is to say they aren’t? It is what it is. I am not one sided, boo. I look ar all sides of the argument.

              • 1Val

                Boo*
                Really dear?

        • 1Val

          With these stories as common as they are you would think young men would exercise better judgment to know exactly who they are partying with, if dudes can hold their liquor, what type of drunks they become and how they react to opposite sex. One would think with advanced scientific evidence DNA, tracking cell phones to place individuals at scene of crimes that dudes would be more discerning about whose parties they could attend because one hint of rape or improper conduct and/or assault on a female could lead to school expulsion, arrest, imprisonment and/or death. Young men should heed past stories of not involving themselves in precarious environments.

          • DA-BIG-D

            You are correct. I agree with you as well. Sometimes even innocent young men who actually don’t engage in these r@pes can still be made to bear the consequences just because they were there or were a witness and did nothing or may have left her there w/o trying to call for help.

            • examplesample

              I’ve only ever heard of that happening once. We need it to happen ALL THE TIME.

          • Econ1

            Most predation on campus is just like the hunt in the wild… when the opportunity presents itself the predator will take advantage.

      • ds9sisko

        Just as dumb? “Hope Floats” is worse: it’s one thing to make ignorant comments like Stacey Dash; it takes a whole another level of stupid to defend them.

        • Guessss

          Hope Floats is dumb and she should die too along with Stacey. They are scum of the earth. I’m with you brothers and sisters. The bish needs to die!

      • Truth be Told

        No, & I can’t speak for ne one else, but seems like she’s saying if U go to unknown parties and get drunk .. Not Walmart .

        • DA-BIG-D

          Isht, walmart got security and cameras everywhere. Plus employees all over the place. What a weak analogy.

          • 1Val

            College campuses have security cameras also. Plus campus police.

      • Kendon Smith

        *sigh*
        What’s dumb is reading ” right to rape” in the aforementioned statement. You put yourself in a vulnerable situation people will take advantage of it. That goes for anything including rape. It has nothing to do with rights.

        • Chey

          Co-signed.

        • Hope Floats

          Thank you. WHERE is the wisdom in deciding to become intoxicated around a bunch of strangers? I don’t know if these young girls are just really eager to go to these frat parties (why, who knows) or if they are just very naive to the fact that MOST RAPES OCCUR ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES.

          • 1Val

            Where is the wisdom of hosting parties to intoxicated a bunch of strangers. I’m certain you are aware bar owners have been successful sued and held liable for allowing drunk patrons to drive who commit vehicular homocide. The frat and college expose themselves to financial ruin for permitting this behavior on their grounds. So I would caution young men to THINK before they decided to trick and take sex from young women on college campuses. The consequences are life altering and career ending for young men who do.

          • DA-BIG-D

            Like i said, these girls all want to go to these frat parties but they don’t want to go to pizza night with the boys in the astro-physics club. Go figure.

        • Guest1205

          So you are going to blame the vulnerable instead of the predators. Predators should be held responsible for their actions.

          • Guest1205

            *sigh*

    • Dominique Thompson

      Maam no one has the right to touch you ever! I don’t give a crap where you are. You are allowed to enjoy your college experience just like men do and men need to control themselves. I guarantee you if men were being robbed at these parties are being raped by other men no one would say it was their fault for being at an “unknown ” party. Please don’t drink the kool aid.

      • enlightenment

        Exactly.

      • PerfectImperfection

        If men were getting robbed and raped my other men at parties you best believe they wouldn’t attend them. That was a poor comparison. I respect what you are saying but you guys aren’t being realistic at all. You can’t control others’ behavior but you have complete control of self. Its about making better decisions in the end…

        • Guest1205

          The rapists are the ones who should be making better decisions.

        • guest

          Thankyou!!!…all these women arguing otherwise are idealistic and naive.

      • Econ1

        You ever hear of prison rape? many people are aware that if you become an inmate of nearly ANY correctional facility in the country, male or female sexual assault will be included in you rehab.

        • Dominique Thompson

          So prison rape is a deterrent to prison? Is that why the prisons are so empty???? Yeah that was sarcasm…

    • DroneRivers

      No, there is no truth to what she said. She is victim-blaming and even by Fox News standards, she sounds very idiotic. Lots of rape victims do not get drunk. Or they may have their drink tampered with. The fact that a grown woman chooses to go to a party where she might not know anyone doesn’t give those grown men that are there the right to violate her. What’s in YOUR drink?

      • DA-BIG-D

        Like i said, if this was about young black males getting into trouble and going into a bad or potentially dangerous environment and then getting hurt, there would be no sympathy. It would be his fault.

        • Guest

          I don’t think you can claim that everybody would see it as his fault in your scenario. And furthermore, having very little sympathy does not automatically equate to it being his fault. I do understand your point of women taking protective measures, but to argue this from an accountibility angle is where you lose people.

        • Guest1205

          No. Let’s make this completely analagous. Guy goes to a party, overindulges and passes out. Someone takes advantage of him sexually. Do you really think that he would be blamed?

        • 1Val

          If a black male got into trouble the black community would march, rally, lobby and raise holy hell to right his wrong. Not only black community but white liberal guilt would ride wave of pity for injustice committed against wronged black men with so called race leaders leading parade.

          Please ask yourself when have there ever been throughout American history ANY vigils, riots, national marches, schools built, grant money given or protest to rival any sanctions taken for injustices committed against black women similar to black men.

          I’ll wait…

      • Econ1

        Single and ready to mingle… go to a party without a BFF, get intoxicated or be foolish enough to NOT know what you’re being served… sounds like a recipe for unwanted consequences.

    • Kristin

      I somewhat agree with you. I do believe that we should teach young girls to be aware of their surroundings when they are to these parties getting drunk. They should always have a mature friend with them who does not get as sloppy to be there for them in case anything was to happen. This is a smart thing to do. Be Pre-cautious! How stacy dash puts it she sounds like she is fully blaming the victim. Instead of just teaching young girls how not to get rape we should also teach young boys to not rape. Nobody ever asks to be rape no matter what condition they are in have some respect for females.

      • Hope Floats

        Thank you for not accusing me of being a defender of rapists everywhere smh. (I don’t know where I allegedly stated that rape was cool.) We should in fact teach and caution both young men and women on poor decision-making. Poor decision-making, poor consequences. You decide to take advantage of someone and violate them, you go to prison. You decide to go to a party, you don’t know anyone there, you decide to become intoxicated with something, be prepared for some poor consequences.

        • Brit

          I actually understand what you’re saying. When I was in younger I put myself in a bad situation. I was fifteen so of course I thought I knew everything and wound up passing out and getting raped by a 20 yr old. Did I ask for him to rape me? No. Did I put myself in a risky situation? Yes. So I understand fully. No I didn’t give him the right to rape me but if I also didn’t have to make it so easy for him. So yeah no man has the right to rape a woman but we as women need to be aware of our surrounding. Had he drugged my drink or slipped me something I’d feel differently about the part I played in this, but I wasn’t drugged. Had he over powered me or beat me into submission I wouldn’t feel guilty, but I made a choice to get intoxicated. So I feel somewhat responsible for what happened to me because I could have made a choice not to lie to my mom about who I was with and where I was and not get intoxicated to the point of passing out, but I didn’t.

          • Hope Floats

            I am so sorry you had to experience that, and at such a young age. AND THIS IS WHY parents, teachers, ministers, and elders try to warn young women, all the time, about these “parties”, which usually turn out to be no more than a bunch of irresponsible, impulsive young people that’s sole purpose for going to said “party” is to get drunk/high and have sex. That’s it in a nutshell with these frat parties and random house parties in these college towns.

            • 1Val

              Parents, teachers, ministers and elders should try to warn young men about these parties. The consequences of hosting, attending and involving themselves with men whom they do not know their characters, how they would react in a predatory environment, knowing themselves to have courage of protesting urging their frat brothers to NOT take advantage of women thereby ruining all of their lives in process. That in a nutshell is why young men must be reared to self respecting individuals so respecting others including women is a reflex action not a decision for them to make.

          • Guest1205

            So sorry that a criminal took advantage of you, Brit. PLEASE do not blame yourself. He is a predator and HE is solely to blame for what HE did to you. God bless you and I hope that you make a full recovery from what HE did to you.

          • ABC

            Do not feel guilty or blame yourself. What kind of person forces himself on someone who is passed out? A rapist, that’s who.

        • Guest

          Consequences reads as a form of punishment, that’s why it’s being read as an inderict form of victim blaming, aka punishment. I believe that the word risk is what applies more fiitingly with your argument. Other than that, I’m in agrrement. Everything you stated does increase the risk of the woman being violated.

      • Guest1205

        We should be also be teaching our young men that taking advantage of an incapacitated woman is a crime.

        • Hope Floats

          Agreed.

    • ladybug

      Rape is a crime not a consequence.

      • Lawrence

        YES!

    • Chey

      You spoke way too much truth here, they can’t handle it!!

      • Hope Floats

        Thank you Chey. I knew there would be a good amount of ignorant people on here who would jump the gun and say that I support rape and things like that…smh When did I ever say this?? *Accountability is my only point*

        • guest

          Sorry to say it, but around here, ‘accountability’ is a dirty word.

          • Hope Floats

            It sure seems to be that way. It feels like I’m talking to a brickwall when I’m interact with most black women on this website. But there are still a few who get it though!

            • Guest1205

              People understand what you are saying. It’s not that complicated. Some of them are just pushing back on your comments. That does not make them ignorant or “brick walls.” Reasonable, intelligent people can disagree.

            • Guest

              Lol! Not arrogant at all.

        • 1Val

          Men are accountable for their actions as ell as women.

    • Yes, just like if you allow yourself to walk outside in the dark and are raped its your fault for wondering around. Also, if shot while standing at the bus stop, its your fault for not having a car and not calling a cab

    • guest

      Hope Floats, never mind the negative responses. You are absolutely right on BOTH counts. Apparently, truth hurts. Or some just like to be willfully ignorant. I understand EXACTLY what you were saying. It’s okay to go to unfamiliar places and be around unfamiliar people, but do so RESPONSIBLY…i.e. don’t get drunk. Don’t lose control of yourself through the use of chemical substances. NO ONE EVER deserves to be raped, and college coeds can mitigate the likelihood by using common sense and refraining from chemical abuse while at frat parties.

      • 1Val

        Many college co-eds have been raped after having their drinks spiked and given drugs. It would behoove young men to never engage in questionable behavior that could imprisoned them for multiple decades by succumbing to peer pressure in their quest to belong to a frat. I would also warn young men to never lose their self control by getting drunk or high enabling them to disrespect and take advantage of random women.

        • guest

          Likewise, I would advise young men in the exact same way you suggest. I would also tell both women and men, once again, to mitigate the chances of foul play, NEVER leave your drink unattended, know your own personal limit, and don’t exceed it. RESPONSIBILITY goes a looooooong way.

        • Hope Floats

          Agreed.

    • 1Val

      Unfortunately, many young men are predators on college campuses who host parties to entrap, harm and rape women. For men who are innocent bystanders caught up in criminal behaviors of peers they may escape jail time but reputations are forever marred because they failed to be honorable men getting caught up in college partying. They made bad decisions to overlook frat brothers spiking drinks, slipping drugs, participated in sluxx shaming to protect criminal behaviors. And then they want everyone to feel sorry for them after national exposure, embarrassment of their families, futures careers destroyed and stigma of forever being known as a rapist or suspected rapist. Young men truly must make better decisions in regards to their sexuality.

  • Taneesha Culture Clash Thomas

    Well now we know she truly is clueless

    • Chrissy

      That explains why that was the only successful movie she’s been in… She was born for that role…lol

  • IllyPhilly

    she is such a dumbazz. stfu Stacey Dash and disappear!