Lee Daniels: I Saw So Many Black Women And Kids At AIDS Center I Thought I Was At The Welfare Office

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August 21, 2013 ‐ By
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If there’s one thing I can’t stand, it’s when one minority attempts to to marginalize another for the sake of their own personal cause and that is exactly what “The Butler” director Lee Daniels did in a recent interview with Larry King.

In discussing his experience growing up gay and coming into his sexuality, Daniels made a very sharp left in what could have been a productive discussion. Apparently in a previous interview he had remarked that gay people are third class citizens and when asked to expound on this idea by King, Daniels threw this dagger:

“I think they are prejudiced upon even from the African Americans too. I think that the reason we have AIDS…I did a movie called ‘Previous’ and when I was doing the research for ‘Precious,’ I walked into the gay mens health crisis center in New York City and I expected to see studying [of] AIDS and HIV, I expected to see a room full of gay men, but there are nothing but women that are there – black women with kids, I thought I had walked into the welfare office – but they service black women with AIDS, why?

“Because black men can’t come out. Why? Because you simply can’t do it. Your family says it, your church says it, your teachers say it, your parents say it, your friends say it, your work says it. And so you’re living on this DL thing and you’re infecting black women.”

And that has what to do with black women being on welfare?

Look, I won’t pretend to know the struggle of being a homosexual black male, or to be an expert on the bureaucracy AIDS research and treatment when it comes to the black community. However, if black women are getting services in a gay men’s clinic, that’s a systematic issue, not one that has to do with prejudice from the black community. Furthermore, a man’s inability to live his life freely as an openly homosexual male has no bearing, in my mind, on his inability to be sexually responsible. Being chastised for your sexual orientation is not an excuse to one, play with a woman’s heart and pretend to be heterosexual when you’re not, and two, sleep around indiscriminately, particularity when you’re aware that there may be these biases in sexual health care as it relates to gay men.

And again I find myself asking what the hell does any of this have to do with black women being on welfare?

I don’t think I’m too far off when I say there was just a slight, if not overt, element of bitterness to Daniels’ narrative which no doubt stems back to his childhood and being beat by his father for being gay. But that’s not black women’s fault, nor is it their fault they’ve found some place to be serviced for sexual health issues. There is equal responsibility to be had amongst black men and women women it comes to the rapid spread of AIDS and finger pointting and excusing just won’t cut it if we really want to stop this epidemic and neither will stereotyping. Being the double minority that he is, Daniels should know this more than anyone else.

Check out the video of his interview below. What do you think?

 

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  • Setting It Straight

    Hmm, Lee Daniels is SOOOOOOO wrong about GMHC in NY. They do not ONLY serve Black women and children, they serve whatever type of HIV+ person who becomes a client. As a longstanding client of GMHC, I am a black male. I have several associates the obtain services through the agency who are black males also as well as Indian males , Hispanic males, Caucasian males and varying races of females as well. Mr. Daniels, before you make such an incorrect blanket statement about any agency, PLEASE TAKE MORE THAN A DAY to do your research. As far as the GMHC agency goes–YOU HAVE TOTALLY MISSED THE MARK!!!

    • Tang

      It is simple math, they start earlier and have many more partners, I think the street term is hoeing. But this is no secret, everyone can see this. The most interesting thing is in all of the comments. This has to do with group thinking or the pack mentality. Even though the cause is in plain sight the group chooses to denied it. Because of this limitation it is not possible to generate any solution because it’s existence is denied. So the short answer is hoeing and hypocrisy.

  • codemistress

    I have never been a fan of his because of the exaggerated and denigrating way he portrays women in his movies. Secondly, I find it curious that Oprah after all her cries of racism during her visit to Switzerland, remains quiet while Lee Daniels happily inaccurately extols on black women. Actually, beyond this forum and a few others, there has been noticeably nothing said at all. Is this because it is only bad or racism if Oprah has been offended? That Lee Daniels is untouchable because he is a black, gay man? Or is it that we, as mainstream media promotes, believe his statements are true? While the media has us up in arms about Paula Deen (the distraction), the Supreme Court, with surgical precision, killed the VRA. More then ever we have to pay attention to what’s being said and who is saying it. The same way we get upset when someone of another race disrespects us we should be upset and not support those in our community just because they are black and if their names are Tyler Perry, Oprah Winfrey, Lee Daniels, or anyone else refuses to see us the individuals who are no more or no less flawed then any other race.

  • Jezreel

    Thanks for following up constructively on this. In listening to Daniel’s response to MLH’s question, I had the impression that he (Daniel’s) was oblivious to the impact of his unsolicited stereotype of black women & children and welfare. He seemed flummoxed and personally offended that people actually criticized him for that and other derogatory comments he’s made.

    It’s truly unfortunate that someone who is so gifted and talented is so utterly unaware of his words reveal his own deep seated bitterness while simultaneously alienating the people that Daniel’s told MLH he would bow down to in honor of the positive impact black women have had on his life.

  • LA Nwa

    Krry Washington just did a TPP film this year. She has to keep the lights on too, but “chitling” circuit stuff isn’t for everyone…I’m grateful she seems to be very discerning about her choices now that she has them. TP produced and mentored but did not direct or write the film she was just in..

  • worldpeacecutie

    So he is old & bitter now because he was called bad names, he probably deserved it. All the negativity he attracted to his life then, now & in the future…he deserves it.

  • Tony Williams

    I made a great mini speech about black gay men and why they are on the DL, i didnt use one curse word. didnt attack black women. and madaMenoire still deleted my post. thats Wrong 110%.

  • kierah

    What an asinine statement?! Sometimes when Blacks come out of the closet, they turn in their Black cards for their gay cards. It’s easier because it gives them entre into the White world. Why do you have to choose?

  • Tony Williams

    HAHA censorship to the MAXXX their deleting my comments now. i am still not leaving this site. you cant censor me.

  • currvalicious

    I believe he was being sarcastic but it came across as degrading poor black women on welfare. He shouldn’t have made that statement, least of all to Larry King.

  • Guest

    Is the author that ignorant to make some kind of controversy from a true phrase. IT is called a

  • Fair and Balanced

    Does Lee Daniels comments really matter? As black women it is important for us to know that we will always have extreme prejudice and anger heaped upon us. We experience from many Black men who for whatever reason decides we are worthless in their eyes, we experience it from many in other cultures because they follow the prior pattern set by all the hatred against us but mostly we are hated by Caucasian women and women of other cultures because they have all been broken and the Black woman regardless of what she has been through cannot be broken as a whole as all the others have.

    Yes there are many in our race that have allowed themselves to be destroyed through drugs, alcohol, and bad men to name a few but as a collective group we continue to strive. So much has been taken away from us, many of us are well educated and currently striving to survive in this economy that seems to be hell bent on destroying all Blacks as unemployment in our communities is at an all time high and opportunities are rare but still we struggle on.

    Almost everything about us has been duplicated when it comes to our looks, many Caucasians lay out in the sun to get darker, add fillers to their lips and butts and so on trying to be us but can’t as they will never capture the true essence and strength of the Black woman so regardless of what is said or done to the Black woman we will survive.

    • codemistress

      I would say yes his comments matter because he is perpetuating a myth that has plagued us for far too long. It matters because it seems that the only time something is racist anymore is if Oprah has experienced it – The purse incident in Switzerland that was all over the news. Strangely enough, she is acutely silent on this matter. In fact, no major network has covered it as far I have been able to find. It matters because until we hold ourselves accountable for our actions, portrayals in media, books, music, etc., folks will continue with the false propaganda and stereotypes.

  • Brian Odom

    He was simply stating what he saw and what he originally thought. He was being honest and not politically correct. What should he have said? Lied and said, “Oh I thought it was an investment club meeting”?

  • LA Nwa

    You can support “The Butler”or not. But don’t complain when the only films blacks are in is Tyler Perry movies and stuff like “Soul Plane”! Personally I like a film with a story, and having lived in D.C. remember the Washington Post article that told his story. I don’t do chitlin circuit stuff(not my flava), or buy John Mayer music. And I think I need to hear the entire interview in context to make balanced decision. It was a fabulous movie btw…

    • jonesie

      And this is the main reason as to why I respect Kerry Washington as an actress. She’s never allowed herself to do those kinds of films.

  • Lry

    Yeah, his response made no sense on many levels.

  • wbm

    for the record, GMHC does not only service gay men anymore. the name is a reference to its origins in the early 1980s when HIV/AIDS was primarily viewed as a “gay man’s disease”, but now their mission is to service all those affected by the disease. So the women being there is not because the black men can’t come out, but because GMHC is trying to eridicate the disease and help all those affected by it. Shows how much research he was actually doing…

  • April

    Lee comes off as bitter at times. He may be hurt by how he has been treated by his community.The welfare office line didn’t bother me, it simply shows me part of his mentality/maturity.

  • Tiffany

    Black woman would have not contracted HIV/AIDS or any other woman
    sexually had it not been for bisexual men who are in denial about their
    sexuality.

  • goodkimestry

    I had what I thought to be some meaningful commentary on this subject, but after reading through the other comments, I got lost in the nonsense and would rather go to a more mature forum. Really y’all?

  • guest

    The gay men health crisis is for woman and men. At the AIDS walk this year their was many women as well as men with some great and inspiring stories about their lives. The weather was bad but 45,000 people came out to walk for the cause. If people protected themselves didn’t have unprotected sex and didn’t lie and deceive people AIDS wouldn’t run so rampart in our community.

  • Nettrice

    I didn’t see his current movie or the last one. Whew!

  • hollyw

    WOW. That was unexpected smdh… wish I woulda heard before I saw his movie last wknd smh lol. And I mean that! Makes more sense now, though, that he made Oprah play an alcoholic philanderer when nothing in the original story had suggested either…

    Welp guess his mother got what she wanted. Last MN article said she wanted him more like Tyler Perry, well here he is!! In more ways than one… o.O

  • GeishaSunshyne

    Another ignorant comment by a successful Black Man. Black women should be serviced because a large majority of them contracted it from this downlow, confused, 1in the closet black men.

  • OpenMind

    After listening I think he meant no shade here. He wasn’t poking fun or being snarky. Seems as though he was speaking from a place that is his world, his neighborhood, his day to day. I mean his point was that our black men on the DL are infecting our black women. It was a gov’t run agency to assist MEN in crisis, probably in the city, yet it was inhabited by black women and their kids, hence the possibility that it COULD be about assistance for FAMILIES in need, or WELFARE.

  • Angel

    Who is He again???????OOOHH,, a person who needs some attention ,ok carry on. If the Gay men would step out the closet ,then we would have much less ladies at the dang on clinic. Stop infecting our people with your lies and secrets .How many women must they infect and render useless to men who are truly looking for a female ???

  • kenya

    I was going to support his new movie “The Butler”, but he will never get my dollars again. I’m already mad that I paid money to see that ratchedness “Precious”

  • G.H.

    Some Black men CHOOSE to never accept responsibility for their lives…GAY OR STRAIGHT; the blame is always put on someone else!

    If they can’t blame “the man”, then they blame the woman…the black woman: “It’s my momma fault”, “It’s my babymommas fault”, “It’s my grandmother’s fault”. When they can’t blame women they blame men: “It’s my daddy’s fault” “My daddy was barely there” “He worked too much” “He didn’t work enough”.

    And we pacify them, and take their crap. and end result is generation after generation of Black men who never want to GROW UP!

    When are gay black men going to be bold enough to say, the epidemic exists because:
    1. BLACK MEN DO DRUGS and contract HIV.
    2. BECAUSE BLACK MEN DO CRIMES AND END UP IN PRISON AND CONTRACT HIV.
    3. Some Black men with HIV and AIDS aren’t gay, they just can’t stop having sex unprotected with every and anything that has legs.
    4. Many gay men refuse to wear condoms!

    But it’s MUCH easier to place the blame on “US” in order to support their agenda!

    This man had the nerve to sit in front of a WHITE man and promote the “Black welfare queen” stereotype, I can only imagine what he says BEHIND CLOSED DOORS!

    I wish the bold, brave and articulate Black men would get platforms to speak and not these fools.

  • Tracey

    In black womens’ defense.
    They are at the clinic bcuz those same gay DL men infected them by lying, they are on welfare bcuz those same men, left them with the children & they have to do whatever it takes to support their family, pride or no pride. Sorry, black women don’t have the luxury to live a carefree, freelance, unhealthy lifestyle as you black men. Black women are survivors; rising above the HIV/AiDS epidemic, getting their daily check-ups, taking their medications, staying alive for their kids, all bcuz of loving and giving their all, to you ungrateful black men and in return, getting repaid with all types of infections and fatherless kids.
    So, thank you black men for bashing us, remember, your own mother could’ve been in our shoes. #Each coin has 2 sides.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/thesapphireempress96?feature=results_main A.J.

    I don’t like the undertones of what he said. For one thing, none of this has anything to do with welfare, and that fact that he feels welfare is synonymous with Black women shows his own messed-up thinking. For another, he’s suggesting that these women are “taking” away HIV/AIDS services from gay men, whom he implies deserves them more. Finally, and most jarringly, he suggests that Black women make it hard for men like him to disclose their sexuality, therefore they “have” to sleep around and contribute to the spread of the virus. That’s disturbing; he’s not only justifying the behavior of these men, but placing all of the blame on Black women’s shoulders. There is no excuse for his contempt at all. This attitude also confirms his less-than-positive representations of Black women in his movies.

  • Tia_Sunny

    I think he was trying to say black women are so religious but he saw a lot of them at that clinic just like many of them are at the welfare office. But still why bring that up?

    • YouStupid!

      No offense to you Tia, but if that was what he was trying to said..why isn’t tha what he said. Many are at the welfare office not just black women and he may want to have a talk with his mother because it sounds like he has some issues with her as well. This wasn’t even the platform for this type of discussion he sounds like a bitter man trapped in a facade and is taking out his frustrations whatever they are on Black Women.

      • Tia_Sunny

        Or maybe he said that because some black women have called him out about being gay, but hey watch this guy tommy Sotomayor videos on youtube about black women see if you agree or disagree.

        • YouStupid!

          I have a hard time with men (real or pretend) trying to tell me about being a woman…when they have no idea of how or what it takes for us to deal with them and their opinions on a daily basis. I can’t even set myself up for the frustrations.. we just have keep telling them…”DON’T HATE ME CAUSE YOU AIN’T ME”! However thanks for the invite.

          • Tia_Sunny

            That’s why women need to express that to them, both need to find a understanding of each, then if that’s the case a woman should be able to tell a man about being a man.

            • YouStupid!

              Hi Tia, I whole heartily agree with You. When this subject manner presents itself around me or to me, please know that I have no problems with letting my thoughts been known. Isn’t Ironic when Men hear Women say “all Men” anything some will say “You can’t say that, all men aren’t like that” You would think we would have a better understanding of each sex by now.

  • Delia Drayton

    STUPID

  • YouStupid!

    Here is the Question of the Day: Why was plump and stuff aka angry bird at the clinic anyway????

    • YouStupid!

      It has been pointed out to me that Puffy Puff was at the clinic doing research for his next movie…yeah okay.

  • BluApple1920

    I will see the film! Not for Daniels, but for the many other Black actors and actresses that the film employs. These artist struggle daily to find roles in Hollywood, and they need to be supported. Secondly Daniels comments reflect both ignorance, and self hate. Such comments should not be ignored nor tolerated so props to Madame for shedding light!!!! Daniels comments do not reflect me or the many college educated wives and mothers that I know and associate with. We work hard to provide for our families and contribute to society through volunteerism and activism- we don’t ask anyone for anything!!!! Mr. Daniels needs to take a seat now!!!!!

    • Tracey

      Oprah for one is not poor or struggling, damn the least paid actor is richer than me. I don’t feel sorry for either of them. My money will be staying in my pocket.

    • YouStupid!

      I agree with your sentiments however I will not support his movie.

  • D

    I think he was just trying to be funny (although it wasn’t PC)…anyone of y’all would have said the same thing in the privacy of your own home or in a bar, or in a conversation with your friends…

    • tracey

      I can think of a thousand things that can be said, in the afore mentioned, that I cannot say on a public forum, addressing serious black people issues.

    • YouStupid!

      Hey D, where would what he said be considered funny? I believe he said exactly what he wanted to say…and we just can’t grasp why he would come so raw and attack Black Women for no apparent reason.. that we keep trying to figure out what he really meant. oddly enough each of us that have a reason as to what we “think he really meant” actually expressed it well enough..so if that is “what he really meant” why didn’t he say that?

  • YouStupid!

    statistically there are more white people on welfare than blacks. I’m not trying to disrespect anyone…it seems all the research that is made public targets black people and it seem it is always statistically bias and never complete.

  • YouStupid!

    His plump and stuff behind is out of line.. that is highly disrespectful…why did he feel a need to say that and if it is so bad…how is he going to help? If you look at the statistics the aids rate is higher for other groups however with in the black populous the ratio for black women is staggering that doesn’t mean we’ve corner the market on the disease the high rate is in part due to women in relationships with DL brothers…maybe he needs to self evaluate.

  • James Jameson

    I can’t believe Oprah supports this mans work

  • QB84

    This sounded more like a diss to downlow Black men, imo

  • Delia Drayton

    He has lost my ticket money for anything he does.

  • Kaci

    I’ve seen so many hispanic women with multiple children at Chuck E. Cheese and I thought I was at a welfare office. I see white women with multiple kids at Walmart and I thought I was at a welfare office with a Subway inside. Just because you’re a black gay man don’t mean you have a right to bash black women. Welfare isn’t a black thing boo, so stop generalizing. I’m a black widowed mother of 3 kids, I work 2 jobs, full-time jobs 3 days a week and part-time 4 days just to take care of my kids without welfare.

  • Delia Drayton

    I am very disappointed in this man. You should no better. FYI turn the T.v on, there are so many Proud Gay men. They are out and proud of it. Being on the Down Low is for people who are not excepting of who they are . your worry about what others have to say. Do All The women, Black, white , Yellow or green a favor, STOP PRETENDING YOU LOVE WOMEN WHEN YOU DON’T. Maybe we could get a big change in the progress of curing AIDS & HIV. If you are on the down low, You must be in pain and dispair. Just be true to yourself and just maybe we could beat this thing. COME OUT OF THE CLOSET FOR ALL WOMEN. STOP THE MADNESS THAT ONLY YOU CAN.

  • Pleasedontgetoffended

    I get so sick and tired of people saying black folks the only ones getting state aid. First and foremost the white folks was the first to get it! They started it back during the war era. It was meant to help women who lost their husbands in the war! White women get it too. I know I work at a prodimently white surburban agency that serves “welfare” in the white town too……You guessed it! White women and children!!! When white folks getting assistance they try to down play it like go to store and hide the card while they trying to pay for their food. Black men and women kill me trying to bash their own rash to appease white folks like they a give a darn.

  • Maranatha

    Watching too much FOX News, where they still get their daily “race fix” from malingering around “Willie Horton” and that disappearing Welfare Queen that Ronald Reagan introduced them to that no one ever found?

  • Paula

    It was a lame attempt at being funny, and its statements like this that cause so many of the world’s misconceptions. He likely regrets the comment now, but its too late. Unfortunately, the media will keep it going to stir up more race debates.

  • Tony Williams

    I do have to say something to black women, STOP BEING SO SENSITIVE. people dont have to say sorry for every word tha tcomes out of their mouths that you dont like. everyday as a black man i hear people call us Lazy, Stupid, King kong, Bad fathers, sub human, i dont ask for a sorry, i know its not true. I went to college ( Go Terps (U of maryland) i know who i am. And i move on and try to prove them wrong. YESSUS.

    • Paula

      There is nothing wrong with pointing out flawed reasoning, Tony. Do me a favor and educate those morons you hear saying those negative things about your demographic everyday.

      • Tony Williams

        Foxnews lol, GOP chick on CNN. that GOP chick is a trip wow does she had black men and black people. She tried to make a case that NYC stop and frisk is a something BLACK MEN IN NYC WANT. That chick is crazy. rush limbaugh and Bill O’Racist. people like these hate black people.

  • Lboogie

    Yeah, there was definitely some shade being thrown in his narrative. He basically said in the black community, being gay is so unacceptable that the alternative is being on the DL, and somehow justifies having unprotected sex with women. Also, a bunch of black women with children waiting in an office to be seen reminds him of a welfare office. No, it didn’t remind him of a daycare, church meeting, or first day of school..but a welfare office. That is a very narrow minded statement. It also says a lot about how he views black women. If he were white, his next interview would be a mea culpa on The Today’s Show.

  • Nubian Princess

    TBH I’m sick of movies like The Butler and The help. Yes we need to remember our history but I’m tired of seeing black people play these subservient roles on screen in 2013. I want to see positive movies show our people in a good light. Showing us owning businesses being successful but still having a substance that will capture today’s audience. Lee Daniels will not be receiving my hard earned coins he “thinks” I’m getting from the welfare office!

    • YouStupid!

      EXACTLY! N.P.

  • On_Point

    I am glad I never paid for a cent for any of his films and never will. fuk that phaggot koon

  • 9Boots

    This is why I refuse to give my money to black men. They turn around and slap black women in the face as soon as they get your money

  • Truth0312

    Guess I won’t be paying to see The Butler. I’ll still see it, though. Ignorance out of the mouths of Black folks in regards to serious issues never ceases to amaze me even I know it shouldn’t.

  • Guest360

    I get what he’s saying. He had an image in his head of what he expected to see when going to the clinic but was surprised at what (namely who) he actually did see when he got there. His problem was bringing up the welfare stereotype but I got what he meant. While that was horrendously stupid for him to say, I can’t say he’s entirely wrong. Black women have the highest rates of HIV/AIDS in this country and its a result of this DL lifestyle some black men are living. Its something we as a community refuse to talk about and its got to end. I wish that was the focus of this article instead of the welfare statement.

    • YouStupid!

      Here he is speaking on all the Black Women at the Clinic, yet never mention once why his angry bird behind was there……hmmmmm

      • Guest360

        Actually he did mention why he was there. He was doing research for one of his movies.

        • YouStupid!

          Oh Okay thanks.

  • Lavenia Pitts

    Its unfortunate when our very own think so little of us! Society wants people to THINK that African Americans are lazy and rely solely on govornment assistance. In my life that couldn’t me more further from the truth. We as a race have had to work hard and fight for everything we have. We aren’t by far lazy. We are a very resourceful community. Our men do whatevrr is neededto provide for their ffamilies. Yes there are dome that refuse to eod or educate themselves and resort to s life of crime but that’s just s fraction. Not a majority.

  • Fredster

    What a stupid, ignorant, uneducated bunch of statements to make. Talk about perpetuating stereotypes about your own community.

  • Tluv

    Sadly, I am not surprised at his snarky comment. So many (not all) gay men find a way to try and belittle women. They especially try to hit you with the “welfare” comment. Leads me to believe they have “mommy issues” just as bad as some women have “daddy issues!”

    • Fredster

      Way to generalize an entire community by what one idiot says. Your comment is just as insulting as his disgusting comment about Black Women.

      • Tluv

        I said “some not all!” I didn’t generalize! READ the comment before you jump and start typing!

  • Issa

    Well, he’s entitled to his opinion and I’m entitled to keep my money and not watch anything her directes. I see an apology coming in 5,4,3,2……………..

    • Christinia Freedom Williams

      Agreed!!! @Issa u took the words out of my mouth!

    • bluekissess

      Whatever happened to not saying anything? His movie is number one he needs to chill out.

  • Laverne

    And I wanted to see the Butler at the theater! Guess I will just watch the bootleg – He won’t be getting my money!

  • Tony Williams

    I think what he meant to say way. Its a 2 sided sword. Black men are raised to be LIONS almost, super hyper males. King KOng , Bulls. and it goes 180 degrees against homosexuality. and that is why alo tof black men are in the closet.and When African Americans end this hyper masculinity projected upon black men. and allow gay ,bisexual black men t be their true selves. Then we can battle HIV on a real , honest true level. and he is 1000% correct. He wasnt attacking black women and kids.

    • Guest

      I think you’re right in your assessment of his comments about homosexuality, but where does the welfare part fit into any of that?

      • Tony Williams

        When people go to local service building, because some black men dont follow their responsibilities with raising kids. You see alot of black single mothers in those offices looking for services. I live in Maryland i have seen it with my own eyes. Again he is talking in a prison of ONLY BLACKS. their also Spanish, white, Asian YES ASIAN WOMEN GEt government help too. Raising kids in 2013 aint cheap.

        • sha

          So it is Black America’ss fault due to lack of tolerance for the gay community that causes these gay may to live their lives as a farce to the extent of endangering their own lives and the lives of others. GTFOHWTBS….cause your shifting!!! Stop shifting blame!!! Should we now start having leancy on murderers because they were not hugged as a child. The issue of spreading HIV or AIDS here in the USA in Black America is due to only two things – lack of knowledge or intentional lack of integrity for life (yours or others). The fault, cause, rhyme or reason of DL brothers lies on the brother himself. It is a very personal decision to have unprotected sex and has nothing to do with societies acceptance of a lifetstyle so just stop it!! He needs to apologize or explain himself better. Having a very visual platform at this time for his movie involving a racial issue was not the time for him to throw this out there.

          • Tony Williams

            Listen i was on the metro one day, and saw a straight black man, attack verbally a gay black man, saying things like. ” he was a sell out and he loved white men and wasnt raising kids” the pressure, the pressure from the black church and family. and the phobia in the black community is real go look up black gay men suicide rates. people DONT KNOW THIS BUT YOUNG BLACK MEN IN AMERICA HAVE SOME OF THE HIGHEST SUICIDE NUMBERS IN THE COUNTRY. manhood is tied to sexuality so much in the black community its nuts.now the men who stay in the closet and dont marry or sleep with women cool. But the gay men who live lies and marry women and give them HIV. i have no pity for those men. they can go to hell for all i care. but their men in the middle bisexual men. they need to be honest 100% to the women their dating. And let the women make the decision if she wants to date/marry a bi man. Yes the welfare thing came out of left field, but its a small issue. ITS NOT A BIG DEAL CHILL OUT.

            • sha

              Oh, I do know the statistics very well. I have a gay nephew who is almost always attacked when out and has gotten into several physical altercations with other Black men. I undersatnd completely what you are saying. However, my point is that Lee Daniels cannot say the continual spread of AIDS and HIV is a direct result of the lack of tolerance of the gay lifestyle within the black community. It is an individual and personal choice to protect or not protect yourself from getting, transmitting and spreading a disease. That is how this disease is spread. Its not word of mouth. The gay man should understand that the definition of a man will not change because of your sexual preference. Is that what he is saying? As a gay man, society should not you still be expect you to act as a man – lover, provider, head of the household, father, etc. And what would these expectations have to do with your sexual preference? IJS. Good convo!

              • Tony Williams

                Ok fine , we will just have to agree to disagree. Your looking at this like a computer. and not from a Flesh/human point of view. i am moving on. But it was very nice talking to you.

              • Tony Williams

                Ok fine , we will just have to agree to disagree. Your looking at this like a computer. and not from a Flesh/human point of view. i am moving on. But it was very nice talking to you.

              • Gregory Minor

                Well Black women should stop leaving their health up too someone else. Make him put a condom on, yall know its out their but continue too allow it. Its your own fault just as it would be mine if I ended up positve. Personal Responsibility.

                • Tony Williams

                  true. dont i dont like this whole blame game thing, both sexes and wrong and at fault there, we need more condoms.raw sex feels great, but hiv is real too.

                • sha

                  Well…Gregory. You have made the most ignorant statement of all conversations on this article – BLACK WOMEN SHOULD STOP LEAVING THEIR HEALTH UP TOO SOMEONE ELSE. You should have chose to say nothing or at least take time to say it better.
                  As well self-hating, feeling shamefull about who you are black men should not take it upon themselves to take someones life. That my friend you cannot put on anyone but the individuals making that choice at that time – man and woman, man and man. You cannot say personal responsibility and then place blame on one of the parties involved. All involved are responsible unless there has been deceit on someones side. Even in those cases, this is a 2 seater. Throwing shade and blame at anyone will only continue to spread the disease without a real conversation on how to stop the disrepecting one another and lack of concern for health and life of even your own self.
                  @disqus_eNSLXaYkfV:disqus …not at all. We will have to agree to disagree. I hate to see us side-lining the real issues with other personally held issues when it causes us to miss the big picture, the spread of this disease in the black community. We are not respecting each other and ourselves enough so much so that we have the highest rate among this disease. In this country it is not lack of education and its not about acceptance of a life style.

          • Bits

            SPEAK!

          • bigdede

            I so agree with this statement. So what Black America still has a lack of tolerance for gay men, that does not mean you can’t live your life and stop endangering others. It’s all about image.BUT we have A LOT of knowledge here in the USA regarding HIV and AIDS. So honestly there is NO reason why people should be endangering their lives. Now those DL brothers who are married and giving it to their wives, that is no excuse and that is dangerous. But any unmarried individual out here not wearing condoms and protecting themselves are dumb. There is too much knowledge and too much access to condoms and other protection for so many Black women to still be getting HIV/AIDS

    • LadyTee

      Rather, he should have said that Black women take their health more seriously than Black men. And he should know that statistics tell us that Caucasians are the largest recipients of welfare in the US. Moreover, as a homosexual black man, he should understand that stereotypes do more harm than good. Definitely not a wise statement – especially to Larry King of all people!

      • Tony Williams

        True, women care about health more than men, its not a black/white thing. White men die earlier than white women. MEN IN GENERAL WAIT TILL THE LAST MIN TO GO SEE DOCTORS. i was in Baltimore and a very nice white man told me he had cancer. and it was late stage. if he would have gone to a dr earlier he might be fine today, he was warning me. and that stock in my head for 10 years now. MEN ALL MEN BLACK , ASIAN WHITE, if something doesnt feel right go to a doctor Emergency room ASAP ROCKY dont wait.

    • Bits

      I agree with you in regards to how homosexuality (in terms of gay men) is viewed within the Black American community and how that community assumption is in direct contrast to how black people (not just black americans) project masculinity onto black men but Lee’s comment about the welfare office and black women was a direct attack on black women and he could have easily made his point clear without throwing black women and their children under the bus by not even mentioning welfare. The main issue that he so poorly was trying to explain was the lack of understanding that the black community has in regards to the role of masculinity in homosexuality. Just because a man is gay does not mean that he is not masculine. The first thing that people think about and have a problem with when it comes to gay men is in how they perform sexual acts and with who. What a man does in his bedroom has nothing to do with the true definition of his masculinity. All gay men are not like Ru Paul (super feminine). Most of my gay male friends are just as masculine as any other ‘straight’ man in that they take care of their homes, they are strong role models, responsible, and will beat a n**ga down etc if they have to. The entire scope of how homosexuality is viewed within the black community needs to redirected and people need to become truly educated on the subject because its to heavy and complicated to just be making assumptions about it.

    • YouStupid!

      why again, didn’t he say that?

      • Tony Williams

        I dont know he is a bad communicator.

        • YouStupid!

          wow TW I do think we are in agreeance (Scary) LOL

  • mikki

    a$$hole!!

  • MzBrenda Tyson

    y’all making to much out of this. he made an analogy for goodness sake

    • Laverne

      It was in poor taste and very unnecessary. That’s the point….you saw so many black women, you thought you were in a welfare office? REALLY…as a Black person, he should have known better. And especially as a director, he should know the proper and correct way to deliver a message!

      • DeidraJ

        …Yes Laverne. As a black businessman, and a representation of our culture on a well-respected media platform such as Larry King that white people consider a credible source of news, no less. He basically told white america that everything they think about lazy, baby having, welfare receiving african american women is true. With race relations and the issue of government assistance being as sensitive as it is right now, he basically gave them the ammo they need to say.. “Look, that famous black director on Larry King even thinks black women dominate the welfare office.” I mean, how could he possibly think that making a statement like that was a good thing for black people? He’s looking to bring awareness to the issue of closet homosexuality in the black community. Fine. Worthy cause. But when you’re a hot figure in media the way he is right now, you have to be more thoughtful about the impact tasteless “analogies” can have when they fall on ears that are eager to use them against you and yours.

        • YouStupid!

          If he was truly trying to bring awareness to anything besides his hatred for black women then his intent was an epic fail however we then should be expecting him to ‘come out’ and make an announcement soon of another issue in regards to his uh closet?? right/ maybe?

          • LA Nwa

            He’s been out of the closet for YEARS!!! please, get a grip. IF you don’t agree with him…FINE but please know he IS writing complex characters for black women….not just Mama on the couch stuff like Tyler Perry. I disagree with the comment, but I haven’t heard it in it’s entirety…have YOU? Or are you just getting your panties in bunch b/c it’s something to do? I also worked at a welfare benefits office in CA…mostly Armenians in Mercedes Benzes with houses, and whites…

      • Delia Drayton

        I agree

      • Delia Drayton

        your soo right Laverne

      • CanoeGirl

        Laverne – Precisely! We don’t need a high-profile Black-at-that director bashing us. You don’t hear of any other race disrespecting their own!

    • guest

      Well, true. He could have said gynecologist office or something tho.

    • Tony Williams

      Right.

    • Delia Drayton

      No we are not.this man is making movies with this mental picture of black women or any women because he wants to be a women . Come on.

  • OSHH

    Lord Jesus, have mercy. I am so tired of people using excuse after excuse not disclose their sexual orientation to people they wish to, and or, are having sex with. This dude is lame and a poor excuse of human being. Leave women alone and out of your self denial and sick twisted games Then add insult to injury he makes it seem as if black women are the face of welfare when white folks receive more gov assistance than anyone.

    • guest

      My thing is….no one has to know you are gay. You can have a boyfriend and just not date. If people ask you why, just say you haven’t found the right one until you are ready to tell them you are gay. There is NO excuse to sleep around, not get tested and spread aids. Granted, the women need to be careful of who they sleep with and get tested with the potential partner at least once before having sex. We’ve got to do the MOST to protect ourselves because it is obvious that they men they are sleeping with don’t care.

      • OSHH

        EXACTLY!
        Black women especially need not ever put our health and well being in someone else’s hands. We have got to be proactive in protecting not only our physical health but our emotional and mental health as well.
        There is too much at stake these days, not to.

    • Nia

      And of course he’s blaming the black woman. They blame the black woman for everything!

      • YouStupid!

        Black Women as group are probably the only ones who understand how it feels to be blame for everything under the Sun…when they are not blaming us they are blaming President OBAMA. They need to be saying thank you because if it weren’t for us…they wouldn’t have anything to talk about even if it is mostly lies.

    • YouStupid!

      Say It!

  • 1Val

    What is surprising about a black gay man’s contempt for black women? Daniels obviously views black women as competition for downlow black men who are coerced into denying their homosexuality. So sad Lee Daniels is a twisted individual.

    • Delia Drayton

      Yes

  • Barbara Codner

    Wow, he just confirmed what white America has always claimed. Black people are on welfare. SMDH!! My mom had a friend who worked in a welfare office in NYC. According to her, white mothers & white immigrants would come first thing in the morning so that they would not be seen.

    • Rose A MD

      True white people do use welfare too, but as someone who interned in a welfare office in a city with only 18% of black people, 6% latinos, over 70% of the people who came there were black women. It was not something I was proud of as a black woman. I never liked seeing so many of us at the office. Maybe we need to do something about this problem.

      • bigdede

        How many welfare offices are their in your city? In my city there are dozens all over the city. So maybe the one you interned at was located in a part of the city that had a majority of Black people. That is why you may have seen a majority of Black people there. Please think before you respond with an ignorant answer like this. I bet the welfare offices located in the suburbs were stocked with white people. Yes, there are welfare offices in the suburbs!

    • tj

      I’m a caseworker in California and its true white people are the majority of the people on welfare…. white people are the ones getting angry when they can’t get what they want… is the majority of people in your area on welfare are black .. its just your area do some research in our nation as a whole the majority of people on welfare are white

      • bluekissess

        I use to work at a welfare to work program in California and I seen alot of whites and Hispanics. Welfare is a system that keeps people in a certain place to be in the census. What I find disturbing is the ones who do get assistance come in with the new iPhone or the new jordans . It’s a system that’s being abused and needs to be fixed. I think his comment was disgusting.

        • Nia

          I used to work at the office here in California too. My area it was mostly Mexicans (undocumented) and Asians.

      • Lucky502

        Didn’t Bill Clinton put a 5-year lock on welfare benefits?

      • Lucky502

        Didn’t Bill Clinton put a 5-year lock on welfare benefits?

    • Guest2

      I agree with your mom. I had a neighbor from the Ukraine and she told me how they all get public assistance and food stamps when they come here. There is a network some immigrants ( not all, usually from Europe or Israel) have privy to that is set up here from their fellow countrymen that help them navigate the system getting food stamps, medical assistance and housing assistance. I live in a predominantly white neighborhood in NYC and I see so many people in the local Whole Foods using benefit cards when they shop. These ARE NOT BLACK WOMEN!!!!

  • driven

    eeh there is something off with him. I never liked his films. They all seem overly perverted with a lack of substance.

    • OSHH

      He will never get one dime from me. I cannot stand misogynistic queens like this dude, really cannot. I think the reason they hate black women so much is cause they want to be one.

      • Delia Drayton

        how true

      • Guest2

        Bingo!!! You just hit the head on the nail for many of our haters period!!! So many people hate on us because they want to be us!!! They want our full lips, curves, strength and not to mention our men!!!!!!

    • Guest

      The Butler may be the one exception. It is a respectable film although there are elements of human degradation.

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/thesapphireempress96?feature=results_main A.J.

      I agree. I have never liked the portrayal of Black women in his films. They always come off as super-flawed and insensitive.

  • Diane Whauloknat Bridges

    He just lost my 7.50!

    • Tony Williams

      On come on your going to boycott a BLACK MAN BUSINESSMAN , because of a couple of works. John Mayor basically said black women are not attractive and black women still love his music. i wish we as black people would boycott real racist and simple minded people. and not boycott ourselves.

      • RazzleDazzleMe

        That’s a damn lie! I am a black woman and i have NEVER listened to or purchased any John Mayer music …EVER! Please stop with all this generalizing when it comes to black people/women. We are not all alike, and we don’t all like the same things. Speak for yourself….you don’t know me and you sure as hell cannot speak on my likes or dislikes!

        • Tony Williams

          So what your trying to tell me is that their no black female john Mayor fans. and because your one who doesn’t like him, .i cant use that example. i saw the reaction to John Mayor by black women on youtube. and 50 % of the black women said they would still support his music. Speak for yourself. you BLACK WOMEN ON HERE CAN BULLY IYANA and oprah and Tyrese. BUT YOUR NOT GOING TO BULLY ME. i dont say sorry or take my words back. if you dont like i said, they TOUGH luck. have 4 trillion sits. back to back to the power of 1 trillion.

          • Tipsy_Longstocking

            You’re using YouTube as the litmus test for how black women as a whole feel about John Mayer? And then when someone calls you on your generalizing stereotypes, you respond by calling them a bully?

            Typical for someone who has no basis for their statement. Which is sad, because we could really use the thoughtful, well-reasoned opinions of black men on these topics. Smh.

            • Tony Williams

              1,2,3,10,100,1000, 100,0000 , 1 million 10 million, 100 million, 1 billion, 10 billion, 1 trillion sits. try one thank you dear.

              • YouStupid!

                It was persons like you of whom I was thinking of, when I chose my Post Name.

          • Chey

            LMBO you are too much!

            • Guest

              He’s too much because he sounds like a homo!!!!

              • Tony Williams

                really really cool. just another perfect example of homophobia in the black community, but i bet lesbians and bi women are 100% fine right?

              • YouStupid!

                Well can’t say for sure, not judging others.. but who says YESSUS? Uh tony. hahah.

          • Nia

            I don’t know why you’re trying to compare apples and oranges, but you need a better example. As far as someone trying to bully you, please. Weak people use that excuse. Bullying is not being disagreed with on the internet, you phucking idiot.

            • Tony Williams

              Bullying is when Iyana gives advice to black women who are acting wild. and you have blackwomen feminist come in and bully her untill she says sorry. and tyrese telling black women to get more healthy weights. and they boycutt and bully him until he backs off. YALL AINT GONNA BULLY ME.

              • kneelbeforetigers

                No, but we can ask for you to be blocked/banned. Your spelling alone deserves that course of action.

                • Tony Williams

                  i like turtles.

                • Nia

                  Thank you!

                • YouStupid!

                  Priceless!!

              • hollyw

                Lmbo you are such a liar Tony!!! I was in that thread and remember you b/c debated in a numberof things, one of which was why you came in bashing Black women when almost ALL of the comments on her article had been POSITIVE! Boy, BYE! Smh lol…

              • YouStupid!

                IF you have to explain your statements to this extent…the msg was lost a long time ago…

          • YouStupid!

            You should speak of who you know… You can not possibly know all the black women in the world… feel free to take your own advice in regards to not liking what we are saying and speaking for yourself. If you ask 100 women a question and 50 answer yes that is 50% of the 100 hundred women answering yes,not 50% of ALL women, non-genius. In regards to your bullying comment, I respect all opinions that make sense and interact accordingly.. my opinion doesn’t constitute other’s rights or wrongs.

        • Tony Williams

          your not bullying me, so you can have A TRILLION SITS. back to back to the power one 4 billion. i stand by my words. black women can bully iyana and oprah and tyrese. your not bulling me.

          • James Jameson

            Black Women nor Black People never listened to John Mayor’s music…Where the hell you get that info from???

            • Nia

              I actually liked his music. I never heard anything about him saying that, but I never bought any of his music either.

              • Fair and Balanced

                John Mayer is one of many Caucasian men who is not interested in Black women but there are many many more who are and who jump at the chance to be with one. Like you I like some of his music as well but his treatment of women regardless of color leaves much to be desired.

            • YouStupid!

              Say that!… Well not the Black People I know!

        • YouStupid!

          Say that Ms. RDM!

      • Tam Todd

        Why do you come here to start stuff with black women, this is a BLACK WOMEN SITE! You want to start stuff, go to the other site that rhymes with Gossip!

        • Tony Williams

          I am not going anywhere. i dont come here to fight. just to give my point of view. i am on facebook alot though. i like it here.

          • hollyw

            Wooow. You come here, 9x out of 10 to talk trash against Black women and get beat up verbally and you “like it here”……….

            I’M DEAD!!! This speaks volumes! I ain’t messing with you no more Tony, you do you boo lmbo smh!! Wow!

        • James Jameson

          I believe Tony is “Uncle” Tom Sotomayor. He always attacking black women

          • Guest

            Uncle Tom is gay. No real man has time for that BS!! Look at how many times he comes and responds!! Such a homo thing to do!!!

          • Tony Williams

            hahaha i do watch Tjsotomayors videos. but i dont even agree with me 50% of the time. i love the tho smart man.

      • Nia

        You’re an idiot. Black women aren’t the reason John Mayer does well but they are the reason Lee Daniels movies have done so well.

        • bigdede

          Exactly. I will never understand these Black entertainers bashing the very ones who support them. Lee Daniels now, Terrance Howard, that one Black guy who stars in Tyler Perry movies. Forgot his name because he’s irrelevant anyway. He got into that argument with NeNe.

        • bigdede

          Exactly. I will never understand these Black entertainers bashing the very ones who support them. Lee Daniels now, Terrance Howard, that one Black guy who stars in Tyler Perry movies. Forgot his name because he’s irrelevant anyway. He got into that argument with NeNe.

      • jackie

        let me guess… tony is gay.

      • YouStupid!

        Tony,, since you know what every black woman, likes or needs.. I take you have actually live the life of a black woman….if not take your simple mind to the nearest cliff… oh before you go we shouldn’t allow others to disrespect our race nor ourselves in the name of supporting black businesses that do not support us.. Think about it NOW jump.

      • Tiffany

        I don’t like John Mayor’s music. However, black woman would have not contracted HIV/AIDS or any other woman sexually had it not been for bisexual men who are in denial about their sexuality.

        • Tony Williams

          Hiv is a sexual transmitted disease that can passed on by people having sex.

      • Lucky502

        John who??

        • Tony Williams

          John Mayor. the white singer dude. who said his privates are racist towards black women.

          • Nene

            John Mayor is a bltch. I can’t believe Katy Perry would date someone like him.

      • Lucky502

        If he said, “I saw so many black men I thought I was in prison”, would you still have the same mindset?

        • Nene

          Good one. I agree, Lee did go a little to far with the welfare comment though.

        • Nene

          Good one. I agree, Lee did go a little to far with the welfare comment though.

    • Matthew

      Hold on a minute. Where can you see a movie for 7.50???

      • YouStupid!

        doesn’t matter you,I and all know exactly what Diane is saying..right?

      • Joe Brown

        I saw it for $5.00 yesterday at AMC North DeKalb matinee in Decatur, GA. Great movie. Very disappointing comment, Mr. Daniels.

      • FamuRattler85

        I was waiting on someone to catch that. LOL!!!!

      • Nia

        That’s the matinee.

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    • Beejcee

      Good thing this interview information was just now published ’cause dude would be most likely looking at a different outcome at the box office! That was a stupid statement for him to make, why did he not think he’d walked into a doctor’s office?A$$

    • AlmondEBrown

      Mine too.

    • Guest

      Why? Because he said the truth? The vast majority of people on welfare are black women…

      • tracey

        Negatory. 1.white mothers, 2. latinos 3. black women.
        google it…

        • Nene

          Thank you.

      • Guest2

        Check your statistics!!! What a stupid statement by a misinformed idiot!!! If you’re going to insult people, take the time to know what you’re talking about and not continue to spread misinformation. You probably belong to the Tea Party!!!!

      • YouStupid!

        Survey says: BUZZZ you are wrong, maybe the majority of the ones you know……

      • bigdede

        If Black people only make up less than 12% of the population, how in the world can Black women be the majority of women on welfare? Stop watching Fox news and those Menace 2 Society movies

        • Nene

          Lol, I know right.

      • bigdede

        If Black people only make up less than 12% of the population, how in the world can Black women be the majority of women on welfare? Stop watching Fox news and those Menace 2 Society movies

      • Lucky502

        No, hun. the vast majority of welfare recipients are white women. Also, it’s funny how people of your ilk NEVER talk about corporate welfare. Want an example? General Electric received BILLIONS in revenue, paid zero taxes and still got a hefty welfare check from the government.

      • Nene

        Blacks don’t even make up half the population in the U.S, so how can we possibly be the vast majority of welfare cases? Let the media tell it, Blacks are number 1 for everything but the right things. Get out of here with that bull$hlt. The media always trying to use Blacks as their scapegoats.

      • Nene

        Blacks don’t even make up half the population in the U.S, so how can we possibly be the vast majority of welfare cases? Let the media tell it, Blacks are number 1 for everything but the right things. Get out of here with that bull$hlt. The media always trying to use Blacks as their scapegoats.

    • Delia Drayton

      TRY $10.50

    • fujoshifanatic

      Apparently he doesn’t need your money because the movie was number one at the box office last weekend. :-

      • YouStupid!

        When have you ever known anyone that has money not to need money if not out of pure greed alone?

      • bigdede

        These comments came out AFTER his movie was released. AND the majority of the people who went to support his movie were Black women and older people. Let’s see what happens when his next movie comes out.

    • Nene

      Lol. I believe him though. He telling the truth he just put it in the wrong way. There are more white people on welfare then there are Blacks. But I do believe more Blacks have the virus. A lot of people don’t seem to care about their health until it’s too late. A lot of folks don’t change their ways until the results come back POSITIVE. A lot of folks don’t value themselves and take themselves seriously they put their lives and health in other peoples hands. A lot of misfortunes we have in life can be avoided but we refuse to avoid them. So we have to suffer the consequences of our actions.

      • LA Nwa

        We don’t use the money for healthcare more often than not. Maybe we want to keep the lights on, maybe we want those new shoes,…..or are afraid of hospitals and doctors. We disproportionately go to the doctor LATE, and by then it’s too late! We all know somebody who went to the doctor, found out they were sick, and then they were gone within a month or so! And doctors without experience dealing with our community won’t notice the varying subtlies that can save OUR lives! We are our best advocates….and we’re not doing a good job.