Do You Feel Like Black Men Have Given Up On Us?

April 21, 2013 ‐ By Raven Carter

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From Essence

Yes, you read the title correctly, and I can see your eyebrows raised and neck hairs bristling up.  Don’t hop off the ride just yet. I need you to put on your seat belts and rock with me for a minute. I’m about to take you on a very personal journey that dropped me smack dab in the middle of Broken Hearts, USA.

I’m going to start with an urgent gripe of mine: Every time I turn around, the mating habits of African-American women are being scrutinized. There is always some broken-down bundle of research about how many Black women are single or an article about why we aren’t “suitable for long term relationships.” Gee whiz. I can’t digest any more of this crap. Check, please!

Perhaps what’s most disheartening is the fact that out of all the people who find fault in Black women, it’s brothers that are our toughest critics. They reject us for being too dark, having short hair, being plus size or having a less than bodacious donk (translation: a round posterior anatomy).  Sisters are lampooned for not being submissive enough, soft enough or simply too vocal with our opinions.  And the hits just keep on coming.

Is there any wonder that I say (with tears in my eyes) that “I didn’t give up on Black men, they gave up on me?” I came to this painful realization a few years ago, but it was a long time coming.

I can’t tell you exactly when I started feeling rejected by Black men; it was too many years ago to count.  I have been told that I am “too opinionated”, “too assertive”, “too outspoken” or “too fat” more times than I can care to admit. In my 20s I tried to twist and conform to become less, well, me. But, it was like a lioness trying to become a kitty cat. I finally decided that I simply couldn’t make myself smaller for others to feel bigger – not even for the sake of love.

My plan was to wait patiently for that some awesome Black man to look at me through accepting eyes and embrace me flaws and all. Ultimately, isn’t that what we all really want from love – to feel it unconditionally? Sigh…Dare I say, I’m still waiting.

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  • ennis

    I thought that black women gave up on black men YEARS ago!

  • Educated Blackman321

    Yes, for the ten thousandth time, regular decent black men have, for the most part, given up on black women. We are tired of the disrespect, self-hate, belligerence, lack of femininity (basically the Willie Lynch Syndrome) and the fake hair. The lowlife black dudes cant get enough of black women, and black women obviously cant get enough of the lowlife thugs, so they can have each other. Problem solved.

  • Micah Turner

    Black american women are low quality these days. I’ll go over seas and get me a sister from the motherland before I devote to a woman who sees me as just a paycheck, who can’t make me feel like a king. I know most women just want money, but at least have the skills worth a man paying his life, heart, and funds on.

  • Anashcali

    I totally agree with u. Dark skinned women are often treated like the plague especially from dark skinned men. How is it racist to want to be with ur own race, isn’t it ur preference. All over the world black men are rejecting black women and saying the most evil things about her. If u see black women as evil then u must hate with a strong passion the woman that brought u forth, coz she must be evil also, God is going to judge u for allowing genocide of children that should have been born FULL BLACK but who u despise and therefore go for lighter skinned children with softer hair. I fear that if I live long enough I maysee non existence of black people in the west becoz none are being born.

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  • eric carroll

    no i love brown skin women that’s a beautiful shade ,not to just seeing the color of your skin to me it’s the way you treat a person ?.i love black women i don’t want to be caught up in the skin thing i don’t no how the atitude of the black men out there but where i’m from they don’t care about the skin color of some one skin

  • Clarence Brown III

    The only black women I am critical of are the ones who don’t have their Sugar Honey Iced Tea together. I like an independent black woman who can stand on her merits and own two feet. I like it when a black woman is confident, intelligent, honest, and ethical. That is what attracts me. I guess when brothers where getting ran under the bus for so long, there was bound to be inevitable backlash

  • LittleBabyBug Jones

    always white mom black dad. when’s it ever gonna be the other way around? then maybe i’ll applaud the interracial bandwagon

  • Guest

    I’m going to try to make this as brief as possible.

    I’m a black man that has had the benefit of having been (and still) married twice to beautiful black women. I’ve ALWAYS been attracted to dark-skinned and caramel-skinned sistahs and was never really into my sistahs of a lighter shade (hey, just my preference). I have dated BW of various body types and weights. I’ve dated BW with children from previous relationships and currently have a blended family (stepchildren).

    Having lived in different parts of the country, worked in both corporate and government environments and served in the military, I do not for a second, believe BM have given up on BW. I know plenty of brothas that are still looking for their black queen.

    Are they issues that we as black men need to resolve between and amongst ourselves in order to be productive and positive human beings, better husbands to our wives, and better fathers to our children? Absolutely. We know BM as a whole need work. I don’t think you will find a real black man that will disagree with you. That being said…many of the BM I’ve spoken with (cuz brothas do talk about women and relationships) that have dated or are currently dating outside their race told me, it wasn’t because they viewed other races as a prize or have problems dealing with BW. Many just got tired of not meeting the requirements of sistahs. Either they weren’t street enough (not enough SWAG), had average blue collar jobs (not making $100K+), had unacceptable physical features (not tall enough or they’re overweight), too nice, etc. Others got constantly tired of being repeatedly shut down (in some cases, with a lot of angry attitude) when simply trying to approach BW, in many cases just to say “Hello” and keep it moving.

    So when these BM are approached by women of other races and made to feel like they are accepted for who they are, without having to qualify on some requirements list, of course many of these brothas are going to see if the grass is really greener on the other side.

    I know many of you may not agree or understand. Just my 2 cents…

    • MarTSelectSoul

      Oh. Lit my fire with this one, because now I know I’m not completely insane or alone even if I’m not totally correct in agreement with many of your points.

    • MarTSelectSoul

      I have a younger brother, degreed, employed, interesting career background, great set up in a major city. Totally disillusioned with his prospects. This thing is getting critical.

  • Cal

    When you accept someone’s flaws you do so in hopes that that person will better themselves. But flaws should never EVER be ignored. We learn something new everyday. We do things with more precision everyday… As humans we should strive to get better everyday. Unconditional love is a product of acceptance and the willingness to do better. If you love a man and he’s abusive, is staying with him unconditional love? Or is it pathetic? If a man allows a woman to rule him, and he’s not into that lifestyle, wouldn’t ignoring the feelings of negativity be counter to love? What if the flaws are so bad you just can’t put up with that person? When does it become that person’s responsibility to try to better themselves and correct their own flaws? Are men suppose to sacrifice their happiness and date flawed women just cause?

    This article is packed with narcissism of the highest order. Black men will start accepting flaws when well-to-do black women start accepting deadbeats. Its only fair.

    In short, step your game up. No one is stealing your men, or driving a deep enough wedge between you and your men for you to ultimately end up alone. Either you are just as superficial as the men you complain about and only look for the top 10 percent, or you’re too horribly flawed and apparently narcissistic to be taken seriously.

  • Tina Getpaidalldayeveryday

    Exactly.

  • Tina

    a better way to say this is ALOT of black men are agressive
    ALOT being the keyword…ok im scooting over lol

  • MarTSelectSoul

    Boring. Essentially running up the flag pole general stereotypes of black women as the reason lots of desirable Black men don’t date Black women exclusively. It is more complex. Black women have a visual love of black men and also have a mind’s eye of what the ideal black male is physical, spiritually, financially, etc. Most guys aren’t going to be able to hit all the marks. The men that do have 5 women at their beck and call. It’s ten times more complicated for black women than the article suggest.

  • myebony

    It is so interesting that you say that because I am extremely attracted to Dark skinned woman. However, they never give me a chance. But I have to fight a light skin girl off with a stick. I like black woman in general but I strongly prefer a dark skin woman. And I am light brown. It hurts because I love you sistas so much!!! Nisha is rite keep ur head up.

    • Joel Anderson

      And that’s why black men usually don’t like dark women. The majority are crude, overly masculine, mean as hell towards men they don’t even know. It’s like the darker they are, the more masculine and abrasive they feel they have to be. Dark sisters who are not like this, take pride in yourselves. You are the exceptions.

      • YesChile

        Struggle can kill or makes you stronger. The darker you are as a girl, the harder the struggles, the stronger the girl. Get it? Besides. It seems like black women are the ONLY ones that aren’t allowed to be angry….

      • JJ truth

        Another bogus bankrupt & false statement from another freaking black loser & world class coward. Don’t blame black women & dark skinned black women in particular for your extreme brand of self hate. That’s your damn problem. You are just a crude, vulgar, unintelligent, weak monster and a failure as a man in every category. Don’t come here talking about exceptions & the norms nobody who has respect for herself and a good knowledge of her history wants to deal with you. Dark women aren’t going to be a mule for you & they are on to your crap. Therefore your opinion is worthless and not wanted you ugly, sorry bum.

        • Alright Alright

          Exactly. I’m really glad you saw right through those comments. It’s always like that on these types of articles: first a black man will comment that he LOVES black women/dark women but he just can’t meet one or they don’t want hime. THEN the new black male commenter will say “Yeah I try to talk to them but they are mean”, and then the next BM commenter says “Yeah, they treated me poorly too, so I’ve stopped trying to talk to them”. Like clockwork, these comments always lead back to black men saying they don’t want black women. Again, I’m glad you saw through that.

    • YessChile

      I need a picture bro… I don’t believe you you need mo’ people

  • Al

    This is all opinion, and from a man’s perspective it seems that this argument goes both ways. As educated black man I tried to only date black women, howevere none were interested. As soon as I began dating out of my race the same black women wanted to get with me. I’m over it I will be down for those that are down for me. Black women, the next time a black man asks you out just say yes , and see where it goes.

  • MissRealuminatti

    You sound really ignorant and my point went over your small brain.

  • enoughsaid99

    Feeding black women more lies. Most black men are married, or with black women.

  • maggie

    Leave alone the american black men so they can mate themselves out. Make strong families with non-american Black men. Learn the language, the food and customs of your non-american Black man. . you might find your roots anyway.

  • Lulu012

    honestly, where i live, there’s a mix of different races (some areas are segregated, others aren’t) but the MAJORITY of black men are in relationships with black women. Now, I don’t go to bars and clubs but just walking about everyday, it’s what I see. I read on another site that the reason so many black men/women date out in cali especially is the lack of a cohesive black community/culture there. That isn’t a problem where I live so that might be a reason. Just a theory.

  • kabdog

    Unfortunately many have and the few that haven’t given up on you sistas are just not great enough in number to pair with the hordes of you that want to be married. So enter the Causian and Hispanic men the other white meat lol. You might find out you are happy with us so open up and be adventurous. It is not just black men that can be great husbands and fathers to your children good lord there is more to life out there than solely being with only someone of your own ethnic group. 🙂

  • Overseas Teacher

    Yes, a long time ago.

  • JeyBoogey.

    My .02$

    I am a 22 year old black male. I wouldn’t say I’ve had lots of experience in dating yet, but I know a little something. I’ve dated 5 white women, and 1 black woman. I got my first girlfriend when I was 18. The most recent being the black woman. I’ve had my issues with black women, but I’m really young so maybe it’s a maturity thing. I hope it gets better as I get older. I would prefer to date black women. To me, it would be way more rewarding to find my perfect match within my race, as opposed to maybe having an easier time looking at women of other races.

    Black men haven’t given up on you. All the qualities people “hate” about black women I love! As most black guys do, for whatever reason. I don’t want to date a girl who mindlessly agrees with everything I say and has no opinion on anything. That’s a turnoff for most guys.

    • Amz

      Yes, it definitely is a maturity thing.

  • So I am right. The black men YOU know are aggressive

    • Akiko

      Nope! Pay attention!

  • mik bailey

    They done gave up on themselves! Too many women have babies and stand by useless n***as!

  • 27 black male

    I honestly feel that this ‘black men hate black women’ thing is fabricated, you see it on TV, you see it online, and read certain statistics but when you look around, black couples, happy black couples, struggling black couples, but black couples none-the-less… you need to question everything you see in the media and online. Especially as black people we need to be the biggest skeptic to what’s being fed to us. This ‘black men hate black women’ lie will start to become real to you, even if u lie to yourself enough you start to believe the lie

    • Lulu012

      “I honestly feel that this ‘black men hate black women’ thing is fabricated, you see it on TV, you see it online, and read certain statistics but when you look around, black couples, happy black couples, struggling black couples, but black couples none-the-less…”

      maybe it depends on location? i agree with this based on where i live.

  • Apache goudeau

    Reading these comments are quite laughable Black African American women let me tell you something I have travelled the world and lets just say Black women overseas are just different(In a good way) not saying that you guys are Bad because I still love you guys but the attitude of Black women overseas is more geared towards the family Black Women in the States feel entitled for some reason yeah ok even when I feel im doing everything right its still a problem and when you tell me that problem I do my best to fix it but if I ask you lose a bit of weight(no exact words) you don’t think enough of me to say yeah not only do I need to do better physically for my husband but also for myself but instead you would rather make me feel guilty….don’t get me wrong im a Jerk and I have my shortcomings but these things are explained on the 1st date so there are no surprises just like Black Men need to do better Black Woman need do better as well it has to be a collective effort from both sides

  • Mystigue

    Then go in peace. Marry a white, blue, green, brown, or pink woman of your choice. I’m sure you have your black mother’s blessing.

    • A>I`m not marrying anyone,and B>Whatever makes me happy gets my mothers` blessing.And why would I need to get my mother`s approval to make MY life choices.And do all these women with multiple children by deadbeat hooligans get their mother`s approval?Please answer that.

  • Mystified

    Here we go again. The black man. The black man. The black man. The black man. That’s all we hear about, what the black man want. What the black man don’t want. Lord have mercy. It’s always about the black man and how he does not want the black woman. My goodness. I don’t think black women will die and go to hell because black men says they don’t want black women.

  • Mystified

    I could care less! God didn’t stop when he made the black man.

  • wakeup!

    The only people you hear saying love is colorblind is black women. It is complete BS. There is actually a reason 98% of whites marry each other. Please wake the f*ck up!

    • Lulu012

      most races marry one another. period. Human beings like to stick to what they know
      and it’s mostly WHITE PEOPLE you hear saying love is colorblind because they like to turn a blind eye to their privilege and the real plight of minorities in this country. They might not ACT on the statement but trust me, they say it the most. i’ve spent alot of time around both groups.

  • Lulu012

    “black men are downright MEAN if you are darker. I do mean NARSTY. THEY TREAT YOU LIKE THE PLAGUE. I AM NOT LYING EITHER.”

    wow. this is horrible.

    • eric carroll

      i’m not mean i’m a man of god and god means love not hate ! i love black women all my life and alway’s will

  • Lulu012

    “black men are downright MEAN if you are darker. I do mean NARSTY. THEY TREAT YOU LIKE THE PLAGUE. I AM NOT LYING EITHER.”

    wow. this is horrible.

  • Nisha

    Ladies….it really doesn’t matter if some black men have “given up” on us. Just never, ever give up on yourselves…that is what’s important!! And I must say to some of the black men in here who don’t like black women…or black women who don’t like black men….that’s fine…but you bring nothing to these forums spouting your hatred. You are contributing to the problem and not presenting solutions.

  • Nisha

    Sad for them because they have been brainwashed. Keep it movin sista..stay true to yourself and love will find you.

  • ihateyou!

    I hate you! I hate you more! I hate you! I hate you more! I hate you! I hate you more! I hate you! I hate you more! I hate you! I hate you more! I hate you! I hate you more!……………….

  • mac

    I was born and raised in California, and that was never my experience. Sorry.

    • Lulu012

      maybe you were closer to the accepted look?

      • mac

        lol I don’t possess one European feature if that’s what you’re getting at.

        The “accepted look” is attractive. Men like attractive women. Period. I refuse to believe that most men, and the key word here is “most”, will pass up a good looking woman because of her skin.

        Forgive me, but you’re gonna have to find another excuse for yourselves.

        I’ll also add that attractiveness doesn’t always translate to male attention. I’ve gone out with very attractive girls who don’t receive a sneeze of attention and vice versa.
        Lack of attention doesn’t make one ugly, and lots of attention doesn’t make one attractive.

        Equating your worth to how much attention you get from men will always be a losing battle.

        • Lulu012

          Hey I get it I don’t have typical European features either and have no real problem attracting guys But I was responding based on what black women in California that said experiences are like

        • JJ truth

          Black men chasing non black women is NOT simply an isolated event relegated only to Southern California. Get out of denial!

    • Lulu012

      maybe you were closer to the accepted look?

  • q

    The intensity of bitterness and hatred in these comments is disturbing. I believe many of the commenters, both men and women, probably need professional help. How is it possible to hate half of yourself with such intensity? Dating outside your race is fine but is it really necessary to hate your own people. How can that be healthy?

    • Nisha

      It’s not healthy at all. And they bring nothing to the table with all the hatred…just generalizations and flat-out lies. Their lives are probably pretty miserable.

  • I think black women have a misplaced loyalty to black men that they fully exploit. A lot of black men have NO problems dating other ethnicities and make no apologies for doing so.

    • ok

      Exactly…

    • Amz

      Lol. Why do they need to apologize? It’s the women’s loyalty that baffles me smh. Black men aren’t the only men that exist on this planet… so what’s the wailing for??

      • Who’s wailing? Perhaps you aren’t familiar with that particular figure of speech. My point is black women are reluctant to date other races. Black men do not seem to have this reluctance.

  • michaelderrick

    Decoding the complex web of stup!d behind the “why are black women single?” idea will take a lot of brain power and many dissertations (as someone once told me) to sort out. That said, I will simply say that assigning blame to anyone, black women or black men, misses the point. I think the problem lies almost entirely in the vomit soup that is racism/sexism in America.

    There needs to be a more in depth assessment into what these institutionalized structures of racism are doing psychologically to our men, and how, if at all the emotional damage is bleeding into their interpersonal relationships with women. Black women are not to blame for the alleged “emasculation” of men. That is created by real-word manifestations of racism. These institutions are designed to keep black men powerless, because black male masculinity is the biggest perceived threat to white men.

    It is true that black men view black women as a source of economic competition, which is bad for relationships, but only in our sexist society. The submission of women has been and still is the primary source of male “masculinity.” This is why other races can still stick together: because there are structures in place that force female submission even as more women go into the work force. Unequal pay is one, training both men and women for female subordination is another. There is a reason why women of other races are not perceived as aggressive: it is because they were conditioned to subordinate themselves to their men since the day they were born. By the time they are of marriageable age, it is an unconscious knee-jerk reaction. Yes it gets them men.

    • michaelderrick

      continuing….

      Racism affects black men more than anyone else on the planet. They are emasculated from the get go and this hinders their ability to conform to white standards of what it means to be a man. They overcompensate by hyper-masculine displays: they kill each other, they sleep around, they commit crimes. Hence, the single moms.A fatherless home means the woman is both the “man” and the “woman.” This is why black women do not conform to societal standards of what a good (aka submissive) woman should be. Because there is no patriarchy in place to begin with within the black community, black women cannot be taught to be submissive. They do want they want and say what they want. I actually think that when black people stop desperately clinging to the gender roles America holds in front of their faces like a piece of meat, but won’t let them attain, the black family will regroup.

      Another important thing to mention; black people and society in general have gone amoral. We have become more selfish, self-gratifying, and materalistic. With 68-70% of black babies being born out of wedlock…this is not suprising considering the fact that many women are comfortable with co-habitating with men and having men in and out the house. You are right, black men and women need to re-evaluate themselves and realize that we are more than just sexual objects to “other races,” because that is all we are now.

  • Nope

    TRUTH: Most “good Black men” were doing fine without you. They don’t NEED you in their life, you’re the one trying to sell yourself to them so to speak. In most cases, YOU are the one that is trying to impose yourself in his life and justify your significance.

    • hollyw

      QUESTION: if you dare to respond honestly, what motivates you to even be on this site?

      • LadyBlueJay

        After scanning through this comment thread, I too was wondering that about all of these black men bashing black women on this article, and site in general, because one too many black women broke their hearts or hurt their feelings. It’s sad and pathetic.

        • hollyw

          It truly is. Not to mention I got into a useless debate w/ a guy who had literally trolling as 6 different men, then when I checked his activity, he DEFENDED it, saying his opinion was “The Truth” and “needed to be heard!” =| I left after that.

  • hollyw

    I disagree. The loyalty doesn’t lie in dating exclusively bl. women, but if you two share a social identity and heritage, you should both have respect for and a mutual desire to want to strengthen, not break down, that shared heritage.

    Plus…i honestly haven’t really seen any comments about loyalty on here vs. “i hate you; i hate you TOO!” type ish.

    • Those are choices,not obligations.

      • hollyw

        That’s just a cop-out, as everything in this world is a choice. An obligation just points to how important the decision you choose is. At the end of the day, no one’s holding a gun to anyone’s head, but expectations, respect, and LOYALTY to not disappear just b/c one has a “choice”. And you will be judged accordingly.

        You seem to misunderstand the concept of loyalty, as it is not akin to ownership. I pray you grasp it before you find someone who actually deserves it.

        • Please don`t pray for me just because I don`t agree with you.That cheapens the concept.

          • hollyw

            Cheapens which concept? And you’re being way too literal; “I pray” is an old saying synonymous w/ “I earnestly hope”. Prayer or not, though, the point was well-made.

            • So you “earnestly hope” I see life the way YOU DECIDE I should see it.And who suppose to judge me when?

              • hollyw

                …mmkay, you can continue to redirect YOUR OWN topic to arbitrary matters such as the way I phrased something you happened not to like, but yet and still. I made my point. From your statements, you either don’t know the meaning of loyalty or resent the fact that it exists in multiple kinds of relationships, including those who share a cultural background. Society judges all, so your shout-out to Black women was just silly. I have an opinion, but at the end of the night, I def won’t be losing sleep over you not seeing things my way lol. Peace & love

  • gymgirl.

    too fat isn’t an excuse… go to the gym.

  • hmm

    if you are real users, and you know… your not paid shills, insiders, agendists, or trolls. i got a question how do you get sucked into to this divide and conquer elementary school bs?

    • hollyw

      Smh lol. It started out w/ just bl. women commenting. a few throwing shade on bl. men, but mostly just concurring that they agreed w/ the article, bl. men HAD given up on them, or maybe themselves.

      THEN. some “bl. men”/trolls came up on some “i hate black women/white is right” type ish, followed by other bl. men saying bl. women should blame themselves…which just blew everything up. It was just too easy.

      • michaelderrick

        you are a liar and it is very easy to prove it. The top 5 common are black women saying how they are not attracted to black men and bushing all black men in general.

        • hollyw

          …I am liar and it is very easy to prove, but apparently not easy enough for you. The top 5 comments aren’t in chronological order, sir, but in rank of popularity. Excuse yourself.

          • michaelderrick

            i see you don’t know how to use Disqus ….lol

            • hollyw

              Why do you say that, b/c I’m not a troll like you who tries to abuse Disqus to get their ignorant ideas out there as often as possible..? That is clearly you, perpetrating as “q”, “a”, “caine”, and whoever else you choose to say the same exact thing.

              Also, you are clearly the one unable to follow a discussion. I explained the way this discussion degraded into ignorance, w/ your help, no doubt, and you mention the top 5 commentors. They don’t denote chronology, just popularity. Please educate yourself and learn self-love b/f you attempt to troll such a site again. Good day.

        • hollyw

          …also, I believe she/he asked for real users and not trolls. I’ve seen your literal “300lb black woman” comment over 5x now. You clearly have an agenda.

          • michaelderrick

            That is not an agenda, that is pointing out the obvious !

            • hollyw

              No, actually, it’s not obvious, but now that I tracked your activity b/c I hate making uninformed assumptions about folks, I can see now that you tracked this article frm it’s original source, Essence, commented about the woman being fat to deflect from the actual msg of the article, and are now doing it here, trolling as multiple people (which I suspect you also did on Essence’s blog, after viewing the comments). Yet you have no agenda.

              Boy, you have too much time and hatred on your hands. How can you repeatedly post complete nonsense devaluing (Bl.) women, then a dissertation elsewhere about us coming together, and not see yourself as a hypocrite? That’s a rhetorical question. It is b/c ultimately, you are a troll. I’ve wasted enough time already.

  • michaelderrick

    A 300 pound sister throws brothers under the bus because they don’t find her attractive. Other sisters co-sign. Okay.

    Tell me what man or women in their right mind who want to date or marry an opposer, a competitor who have been inculcated into believing that being overly opinionated”, overly assertive”, and overly outspoken is a sign of her independence, women power and empowerment. Tell me what man in his right mind would waste his life away trying to have a relationship with a women who is not interested in working together to build a relationship with him but instead interested in prove her superiority, her independence [immaturity], is hell bent on proving someone else fail social experiment. I will say this with love acting on radical feminist themes have made some of you sisters stupid, look awkward and sad it makes you look like a pathetic actor on a stage!

    As a black man, the only racism I encounter is from single black women when I’m out with a woman of a different race. This article just furthers my point. Black women should realize that they are single for a reason. It’s not the fault of black men. They should look at themselves to solve the issue.

    the core of the problem is simple; it is black women having baby out of wedlock with men who have no attention raising their children. You fix that you fix 90 % of the problem.

    • Tati

      I’m a black woman over 30 with no kids. When I see a black man with a woman who is not black, I never get mad; that is their lives. I always say go for the one that is into you. I like to see good relationships, I don’t care what color the people are.

    • hollyw

      “the core of the problem is simple; it is black women having baby out of wedlock with men who have no attention raising their children. You fix that you fix 90 % of the problem.”

      You are absolutely correct, that would solve “90%”. It Bl. women fixed it all. Cuz that’s what they do. SMH. It is extremely telling that you think that it is 90% a bl. woman’s fault. For you to even add ‘men who have no attention raising their children’ (<which is clearly an act by the man, not a woman), you are saying, in essence, bl. women have to take full accountability for BOTH bl. men's and bl. women's actions. And yet it baffles you why bl women, in your opinion, are "too independent"..? You just answered your own question, sir.
      …while also exhibiting some bl. men's willful ignorance towards how their own actions are at least 50% of the problem, if not more.

      • michaelderrick

        let me tell you something, A man takes what he can get and does what he can, if you give most men anything they will take it whether you ask or they beg you for it. Don’t get me wrong these women didn’t get pregnant by themselves it takes 2 to tango. But correct me if im wrong if a women is smart wouldn’t she see a guy that is not and see thru him and see that maybe this guy is not going to be with her or is a loser. Does a smart person be around losers or let losers get with them?

        if the problem is going to be solved then black women have to step up and acknowledge their flaws and be willing to get on the younger black women to change their attitudes instead of sending them the message that they are victims. Black women need to stop chosing the “bad” boys.Invest in man who can be the best provider and protector for you and your kids.Let him proove himself to you, and show he is worthy of your hand in marriage. DO not invest in the dude who looks and acts most like lil wayne. Also educate yourself and be prepared for the in case of you marry a misfit, when it gets messy and ends in divorce you can move on to bigger and better things.And be able to take care ofyourself. Some women stay with men cuz they think they have no options.

        • hollyw

          No sir, I’m sorry, I just disagree w/ your stance in wanting to put majority of the blame of anything on one party. I think that not only is that completely unrealistic, that even if it were true it would be impossible to solve by that one party alone.

          Idk if you were even here for the beginning of this discussion yesterday when before it even degraded into “pimps and h**s” speak, it was about well-to-do, successful Black populations. I think focusing on the lowest income population is just to redirect the convo into a back&forth blame that gets nowhere, since these populations are largely incapable of effecting change w/in themselves. For the current generation of young, successful Bl. men and women, there is a divide that has nothing to do w/ babies, b/c they have none, or lack of education or money, b/c they both have.

          Then you brought up independence as a cause to the problem, but did not say how that is directly causing it. which is it? I’m a young, successful, attractive Bl. women, w/ ups and downs in the dating world. What is it you think that women like myself are specifically doing to cause our lack of success in finding or keeping a “good bl. man”. SPECIFICALLY.

          • michaelderrick

            Do you know twice as many black women have out of wedlock babies than black men ! That means the majority of black men are not impregnating this women, it is the few no good pseudo-masculine thuggish black men (you guys are attracted too) who are impregnating this woman. 59 percent of black women who have more than one child also have multiple babies’ daddies. Hispanics are a distant second at 35 percent, with white women holding steady at 22 percent. You have to understand that if you messed up at the beginning and at the core, it is downhill there after..

            Also, You’re addressing two different sets of brothers. Most brothers in my circle think that black women don’t have any standards. Or rather their supposed “standards” come about when they’re no longer viable women. Also, black women are unwilling to meet any of black men’s standards. When sisters say that “there are no good black men”, the astute observer hears, “there are no good black men who will choose me, due to my increased expectations and decreased attractiveness.” Men’s desires matter.

            • hollyw

              …ok, you didn’t address anything I stated. You cite single-mother rates w/o comparing to single-father rates, though it’s obvious why, as your bias is clear. Also, you seemed to have misunderstood, while I was addressing you, specifically, I was not including you when referring to the “good bl. man”. Make no mistake, I know that they exist, and I’ve dated a few who for whatever reason we weren’t compatible on a few things; I was just giving you the opportunity to assert your reasoning. Now that I see the inherent bias and hatred for Bl. women in it, in addition to it lacking basic sound reasoning AND your extremely absurd comments elsewhere in this forum, I am positive that you are the “other set” of brothers.

              • michaelderrick

                it is kind of funny and pathetic watch you fall over yourself trying to defend the indefensible. lmao….

                At the end of the day a woman decides who she chose to be impregnated by and under which conditions. it is her choice and responsibility to choose carefully. period

                • hollyw

                  Boy, bye. This discussion and you are so through. Good luck w/ life and love.

    • Herm Cain

      +1000 they will never admit that is the downfall of the community brothers are not above criticism but if you see the fool ain’t s**t why have a kid by him they refuse birth control and don’t care about protection because they want to trap these men in hopes of him changing and them being a family in turn the child suffers wether it be lack of guidance love resources and they repeat the cycle stats show it but forget numbers I see these h**s daily with my own eyes

      • hollyw

        “I see these h**s daily with my own eyes”, Oh really, Herm…

        how’s about this, if the “fools” is mating w/ the “h**s”, then they can have each other. This article, and discussion, was not about n*ggaz and h**s, or any of that foolishness.

    • hollyw

      “the core of the problem is simple; it is black women having baby out of wedlock with men who have no attention raising their children. You fix that you fix 90 % of the problem.”

      You are absolutely correct, that would solve “90%”. It Bl. women fixed it all. Cuz that’s what they do. SMH. It is extremely telling that you think that it is 90% a bl. woman’s fault. For you to even add ‘men who have no attention raising their children’ (<which is clearly an act by the man, not a woman), you are saying, in essence, bl. women have to take full accountability for BOTH bl. men's and bl. women's actions. And yet it baffles you why bl women, in your opinion, are "too independent"..? You just answered your own question, sir.

      …while also exhibiting some bl. men's willful ignorance towards how their own actions are at least 50% of the problem, if not more.

  • Guest

    I think a lot of people date different types of people for a multitude of reasons and although statistically speaking, inter-racial marriages are on the rise, the majority of people still marry within their own race. Most of the non black women I come into contact with are not interested in black men. I live in NYC and am around a lot of successful people everyday. Most of the women, white, hispanic, asian and indian are not interested in marriage with a black man. They may date and sleep with one, but have no plans to marry one. I would suggest the average black male truly understand this reality before declaring himself done with the black woman!!! Most of these people at the end of the day feel we are beneath them and anyone who doesn’t get that is not living in reality!!!! They only want those with money and then they clean them out on the way out!!!

    • Tina Getpaidalldayeveryday

      thats not all,just some

  • gee

    I don’t know what world I’ve been living in but I’ve never had problems attracting a black man or any other man. I am a dark woman with an afro. I am confused about this so called black man shortage. I just don’t see it. You cannot be obese with a stank attitude sitting around whining about how black men don’t look at you because you’re too dark. Most men like attractive ladies with nice, fun, personalities. Men like women who take care of their bodies. Even if it’s a dark body.That’s why I’ve had my pick of the litter and not sitting at home crying about why black men don’t like me.

    • Chey

      You don’t think personality has more to do with it as well? I notice a lot of shy women (very pretty women) don’t get hit on as much. Maybe b/c they seem aloof, etc.

  • a

    This woman is north of 300 pounds but expects brothers to fall at her feet. I’m sure there are sick white men with fat fetishes who will love being with her and indulging their sick sexual fantasies. Those are the only white dudes interested in huge black women.

  • chanela

    YES i feel like this 100%. my friends and family think that i don’t like black men because i’ve only dated hispanic,white, and middle eastern men so far, but it’s not that i don’t like black men. they just aren’t checking for me.. like.. AT ALL. one of my friends is biracial and we can’t go nowhere without 290481209328 black men asking her for her number and going crazy over her. me? i’m just “the dark friend”. when i tell people about her then they’re like “ew shes not even attractive” it doesn’t matter, she is light skinned and has long wavy hair. black men do not look at me unless they’re walking by and are trying not to run into me.LOL especially being in california? it’s all about light skinned black women and non black women. it’s so saddening but i’m not tripping over it anymore. i used to hate myself and feel that god punished me for some reason by making me black because nobody likes black women (especially black men), but now? whatever! i don’t care anymore.. it still kind of hurts to hear constant ” you’re great but i don’t date girls as dark as you”, but i’m done!

    • yeppers

      Im sorry to hear that love, it definitely takes a STRONG sense of self love to get over all of the hurtful things that are said to us based on something you can never change. focus on you, and becoming amazing, you dont have to be anything for anyone else but yourself. WE all had to grow out of that because I was also treated the SAME way when I was younger, still am especially now that I live in LA. Look past all of that and keep your head held high when you walk around. I joined the gym, go every day, work on my business, keep God first in my life and truly walk around happy to live everyday. Yeah Im single but who cares…Im not defined by my relationship status nor am I defined by my skin color. Be strong sweetheart, its going to get better.

    • hollyw

      Ooh girl, that sounds really rough, but what I will say is that is NOT representative of the bl male population as a whole! Come to the east coast, Black Love is strong! Not as much as I would like it lol, but you would never hear no bull like that!

    • maggie

      The west coast is tripping. And I know this since I have lived in AZ for the past 3 years. You need to head to the east coast.

    • Tina Getpaidalldayeveryday

      Chanela You Are So Beautiful. You Just Have To Realize It
      There is a Man out here who will feel like your his everything so Never give up.
      Love Always

  • crazy

    Black people no longer have any racial pride. They say the most hateful things about each other in public forums like this one, not caring that every other race is laughing at us. What the f*ck happened to us?

    • KamJos

      It started a long time ago, when we had no problem portraying ourselves negatively in the media and music. Now we are paying the price.

  • real

    Let us not confuse black men with “n*ggas”.

    The reason why many of you are disillusioned with black men is because you date N WORDS.

    • hollyw

      …ok, could you please explain the distinguishment between Black men and n*ggas? I’m intrigued

      • IllyPhilly

        n!66az= 2 Chains, Lil’ Wayne, Chris Brown, J. Cole Black Men= Barack Obama, Denzel Washington, and so on… Chris Rock gives a great explanation, the best IMO hands down in Bring the Pain.

        • hollyw

          Ok, while I don’t disagree w/ your categorization, I will say that many of us, myself included, were speaking specifically of career men w/ an education and seeming good head on their shoulders. I’m not trying to bash all Black men, but it’s not simply “n*ggas”, as you’d say, that’s not addressing the larger problem between Black women and men, just like ‘hoodrats’ aren’t the only kinds of women who give Black men problems.

    • IllyPhilly

      Thank You! I said that somewhere on here, but naming names.

  • Jay

    I haven’t given up on Black woman yet but my patients is wearing thin. The average Black woman I come a cross has kids. Since I’m single with no kids, I don’t want to deal with no elses This is just one of the reasons why I’m getting in patient.

    • Adrina

      Lol, I’m having the same problem! Most blk men I meet have kids, and if they don’t….they’re so arrogant about being childless and successful until is so unattractive. So that obviously shows that the black community as a whole need to get it together.

      • yeppers

        thank you Adrina or these men want kids without a marriage and THATS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN…and honestly JAy as you get OLDER which we all ARE. the women you meet will have gone thru more in life marriages/long relationships and will probably have kids. I am already 30 working on my career goals and still dont have kids or married and like Adrina said I am really NOT into raising someone elses kids, and I dont want a man with kids. But As we get older if you still are not tied, thats going to be a tall order to fill unless you want to only date 20-25 year olds.

        • hollyw

          That is a bleak outlook, but I for one am not that deadset against dating someone w/ kids, and I’m in my late 20s. the arrogance I see comes from whether men have kids or not, b/c these dudes’ll be happy if they even have a job!

    • maggie

      Most black women in medical, law school, dentistry . . . professional arenas don’t have kids. Why? If they did, they probably wouldn’t have gone that far. I am in that category. You don’t have to break your neck to find a black woman w/o kids. Are you checking those areas?

  • Guest

    Talk is cheap.

  • rhita

    Article title is silly, simply because they are what we reproduce and we are what they reproduce rather they like to admit it or not. I think articles should go into clearance by a head editor in chief before posting, negative ones do not need to be posted.

  • h

    The entire point of this article was to get black women to declare how much they hate black men. It worked.

    • IllyPhilly

      Gotdamn, I’ve never been more shocked. I try not the read the racially geared articles because this one has me commenting everywhere.

  • Abbas Abbakar

    this article made me so sad for my sisters! I don’t what to say! It is just a dilemma!

  • a

    White men raped and sexually abused black women and black girls for 300 years and now, in 2013, black women are lusting after them. Brainwashing is a terrible thing.

    • IvyNoLeague

      Tired of you black men using that line. Black men we’re murdered and hung from trees for looking and lusting after ww. Many affluent african american neighborhoods we’re burned down.Why ? because of WW lies remember Tulsa, ok , Scottsboro … i can continue. Yet black men bash bw and praise the very same race of women who got them killed. Black men have no problem dating white women after all the crap they’ve done.

      • truth

        That “line” is called historical fact. A jewish woman would never lust after the descendants of german nazis but black women lust after the slavemasters great grandson.

        • IvyNoLeague

          Even if it’s a historical fact as you put it what’s the difference ?
          The hypocrisy is ridiculous in the black community. Black women are least likely to date out. Black men date out twice the rate as black women so who is doing the lusting? It’s cool when black men chase after the slavemasters grand daughter? . The same race of women that have accused them of these atrocious things. The very same race of women who have them murdered. Yet they’re putting these women above black women. Let a black woman find a white man attractive she is a “disgrace”.Please spare me.

          • stfu!

            Black women are the least likely to date out because they are the least likely to be asked out! Stop acting like it’s the black woman’s choice not to date white men. That’s BS! If white men wanted black women, sisters would be long gone!

            • anonymouse

              you’re talking crazy…… i don’t know a black woman that’s attracted to a white man or sees one as a ‘come up’

            • anonymouse

              you’re talking crazy…… i don’t know a black woman that’s attracted to a white man or sees one as a ‘come up’

            • Tina Getpaidalldayeveryday

              I turn down caucasian dudes left and right I promise you that and alot of Afro women I know also because we all have a preferences and most of the men who approach are very handsome and our group is from chocolate caramel and light..cheers

  • q

    Where are all these white men who love black women? They exist in the imaginations of brainwashed sisters.

    • hollyw

      Errm. I’ve dated a few. So have my friends. I am in NYC.

    • hollyw

      you seem to be the same person commenting on here (“q”, “a”, “michaelderrick”), tho…

  • Wow no they hate their own self and their mom. It is only self hatred of who they are. You can’t judge everyone on how a few people act. Maybe those men that are so judgmental hate their families, Moms , sisters thats why they hate black women as a whole.

  • guest

    Sorry, but I have never heard a fine sister say brothers have no interest in her. I have a feeling some of the women on this thread are suffering from obesity or are just plain unattractive.

    • ok

      Thank you…

    • IllyPhilly

      Part of me, (just maybe twenty percent of me) agrees but at the same time I understand some of the animosity.

    • mac

      !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • guest

    There is some serious self hate on this thread. The number of black women who are proudly proclaiming they are not attracted to black men is sad. The truth is these women are no different from the self hating black men who find black women unattractive. But for some reason these women feel they are somehow different. I don’t get it.

    • Akiko

      A black woman not being attracted to black men does not mean she hates her self.

    • KamJos

      Women are attracted to men who are protectors and providers. Makes sense for a woman not to be attracted to a man who isn’t that.

  • On_Point

    MN can you please stop, this is so tired.

    • chiefcoon

      Sorry. MN will never stop putting out these divisive articles.

  • Janae

    Who cares about black men? For those sisters, it is a dead end street. I am not sure if sisters are really asking this questions or if Madame Noire just needs some hits. I wish black female blogs would end the discussion on black men. Gluttons for punishment or just need hits? I guess you will run another discussion of sorry black women with white women trying to find out what they think of us later this week. How pathetic for a black woman’s blog.

  • Why should you marry a man or in this case a Black man if you feel that you can not submit or treat him like a King? There are plenty of us Brothers out there waiting for our Black Queen to come to us, but we are simple disappointed and belittle when we are trying our best to do what is right. Such as Bring home the Bacon, take care of our Kids and wife, and be the head of our Household Spiritually. However, many women out there won’t let us be that to them. We have to prove it instead of starting from the bottom together and growing to the top. I’m all for Interdependence in a relationship, but I’m not for Independence once married to me.

    • KamJos

      Please tell me how a woman can let a man be a man. Like exact actions a woman can take to do this. Because I have no idea what Black men talk about when they say this.

  • v

    These articles always lead to the most hateful comments.

    • Losh

      I’ve noticed that too. I just hope MN keeps monitors and removes some of them.

      • hollyw

        they are absolutely not, and MN does not care. I’ve seen literally the same hateful comment about a 300lb black woman having written this article FOUR times. If MN don’t care about that lol, then they don’t care about us.

  • Yah

    Who cares? When did Black men become something special?

  • luvleigh

    I am so tired of the black women this and the black man that, I cant be accountable for an entire race, only myself. So, I work on myself and when was right God sent me the man for me, he just happens to be the same race as me, and Yes I am Black! You will never be a happy being upset about another person’s happiness in who they are dating or not dating. Then again I feel a lot of women are looking for a baller or something and the regular masculine black man gets overlooked…

  • LadiesNight

    I will NEVER date a man of another race because I’m attracted to black
    men. When I do get married,I will marry a black men. The media is really
    trying to make it seem like black men are marrying interracial. I DON’T
    believe in interracial dating and I would NEVER date outside of my
    race. IJS!!

  • Bubbles

    In my opinion I truly believe that media can be a factor. Just look at what you see on the media, there are only a few black actresses that are portrayed as sex symbols compared the white majority on TV/movies. Attraction in the U.S. is influenced by the media. Men are visual and what they see as the “it” factor for example maxim top 100/ Playboy magazines/ etc is what they are going to go for. With that said, I believe that black men are not giving up on us, to say that would be an over generalization. Black men have options just like Black women. Know that you are Beautiful and know that you have options black and all else in between. 😀

  • ok

    Black women…your loyalty should be to yourself, and your happiness…its foolish to sit around caring about someone who has made it clear they don’t care about you. Be pro-YOU.

    • Csmath72

      @ok you nailed it! Let us stop waiting time with ppl who don’t care about us, whomever they may be!!!

    • As a BLACK MAN I completely agree with your statement. Be pro-YOU.No ones responsible for your happiness but YOU.

      • Herm Cain

        after the out of wedlock kids irrational belligerent attitudes baggage and low self esteem brothers don’t care to look back as a matter of fact I feel sorry for brothers who only date bw in life it’s like a punishment out of all my friends and family the only stable relationships are the ones who date out and could you imagine granny moms and aunts actually love the girls who aren’t black because they see this new generation of sisters ain’t worth s**t let alone courting or marriage find love where it finds you but until black women address that long list of issues they will be least desired bottom line

        • Nisha

          Total generalization….but hey if that’s your attitude..do you! Black women should not want to date a man who hates his own people. And another thing..black men have a long list of issues to address as well. Instead of spouting hatred on a Black woman oriented site, you should go into the community and educate.

          • Tina Getpaidalldayeveryday

            Exactly.

    • TRUTH IS

      LETTTER TO WOMEN written by a man (thought I’d share):
      My Dear,
      You are priceless.
      In our culture today the real value of the feminine has been far undervalued and under-appreciated.
      We tend to value things that we can touch, see, or understand with our logical mind.
      But the real essence of who you are as a woman is beyond form, dancing in the unseen, intangible realms.
      The magic of the feminine is your mystery.
      As a woman one of your gifts is your profound intuition. You sense, see, and feel things beyond the physical. You know things way in advance. People may call you crazy, unreasonable, even unrealistic, but know that nothing revolutionary was created by dreaming small and buying into limitations.
      We need your feminine gifts now on this planet more than ever in human history. We need your vision and your multi-dimensional sensitivity.
      You as a woman have that magical ability to breathe life into something where there was nothing and give it form.
      There is a reason that when you love you light up a room.
      There is reason that when you give yourself to your man and support him with your heart’s devotion, his entire life transforms and even his income increases.
      Your value is not in how you look, how much you weigh, how nice your skin is, whether you have no wrinkles or cellulite. Just you being an open-hearted, radiant, blessing force of love… you are the gift in itself.
      Just you allowing your soul-shine to smile upon all those you come in contact with is grace.
      So, never sell your heart, body, or soul for love. The love you will get this way isn’t real.
      Stay true to who you are and your inner-knowing. This is one of the greatest gifts you can give us as men: your authentic heart’s offering. If you aren’t you because you want us to love you, then we don’t really have YOU anyways.
      You being fully self-expressed as the feminine is the gift.
      There is nothing you need to DO and nothing you need to prove. I know we live in a culture where doing is worshiped, but know that just your presence is everything.
      As a woman you are a profound alchemical portal of transformation for us men. You are a Uni-verse of infinite wonder where all of life exists.
      Do you really know the power you have in the depth of your heart to move Uni-verses with simply the blink of an eye or a smile?
      Do you really know the power you have to resurrect a life and give hope just with your compassion and care?
      Do you really know the power you have to shape the future of humanity with the way you love a child?
      Do you really know the power you have to inspire, so much so that a man built the Taj Mahal for his wife, who was dead!
      Out of you we are all birthed. For every human being alive, you were our first home for nine months. Out of you we were literally formed and came into this world. Without you we wouldn’t be.
      And with you we are more alive.
      With you I feel like I can touch the skies.
      With you there is nothing I cannot do.
      I see you.
      I honor you.
      I love you.
      Love.Now

      • hollyw

        Thanks for the share 🙂

        • TRUTH IS

          You are quite welcome. God made us all beautiful. Embrace it no matter what!

  • caine

    A 300 pound black woman claiming only white men can appreciate her natural beauty. I give up.

  • DeepThinker

    It’s unfair to say that black men as a whole are giving up on black women. There is just a higher demand for black men because the pool of men in general is smaller. More women to men available. Black men are exploring the “bigger buffet” of women that were not always accesbile to them or they feel they were deprived of years ago. Our culture has people traveling/moving around more, changing jobs more often which opens groups up to socializing in ways never though of before. People are marrying later in life which gives more time to expand your horizons, and increases the chance of ending up with someone much different than yourself. Plus that ugly myth of white superiority is still prevelant in the minds of some black people that somehow a white woman is a mysterious prize no matter if she has decent character or not. Lot of black women however, are reluctant to open themselves up the same way to “others”, but we can’t keep blaming black men for that. Not every man (white included) is attracted to a stick figure, that allows total control over them and has to have alabaster skin. The dating pool is more competitve for black women, but there are still plenty of options of men that will embrace what you have to offer no matter what a few bitter/insecure people say. Don’t allow the calloused behavior and bad mouthing of a few L.A. idioots to break your belief in yourself. Strong confidence takes women a lot farther than beauty – look at Nene Leakes doing her thing and still has men falling at her feet.

    • Akiko

      A higher demand for black men? That has to be a joke.

  • johnaya

    I found this article to brilliantly written. I can understand the writers frustrations to a certain extent. I’ve always found myself more attracted to white guys than black guys for the most part so I never really felt the struggle and frustration that alot of black women felt until recently. I had this tiny crush on this extremely gorgeous black guy that I used to attend Bible study with. To make a long story short I was talking to one of my girl friends (a mixed girl) and I accidentally let it slip out that I thought he was really gorgeous…her response was “everyone thinks he’s gorgeous. To bad he only dates white girls”. Lol for some strange reason her response stung me. I mean I would never date this guy because he is a star football player at lsu and women are always all over him but to know that he only dates white women exclusively bothered me. I mean not to sound arrogant but im am attractive black women with alot going for myself. Any man would be lucky to have me. Since then I promised myself that id be open to dating any guy. No matter what race or ethnicity as long as he treats me with respect and accepts me for who I am.

    • Fair and Balanced

      Amen!

    • yeppers

      Amenn Sista…I two am a black woman with alot of great Characteristics that gets told that alot too about men I am interested in. “Oh they dont date your skin color”….OK??? you know what, that makes me SAD for that person if they are that shallow and stupid to only want to get to know one race because of something so ignorant as skin color but then I thought thats their loss. Im refuse to be made to FEEL like LESS of a person because this guy i am viewing as this GODs gift to women wouldnt date me. At the end of the day I am still amazing whether Tyrone only dates blue women. Thats doesnt make Blue women better than me. Be the best YOU can be and the person who thinks you are GODS gift to them will find you.

  • FromUR2UB

    Watch: within a week or two will be another article encouraging black women to find men of another race…because there will be NOOOO problems there! She’ll get her perfectly fitted glass slipper, prince, and live happily ever after in the land of Utopia. There are no perfect men, of any race. Frankly, MN, I’ve grown a little weary from your fanning the flames of division between black men and women. I know there are still black men who believe in black women. Why don’t you put a little effort into identifying some of those men and talking to them. Some of your readers are very young women…too young to be so pessimistic. They’ve become that way because someone, MN included, has been playing that same song for them over and over, and because that thought will be ingrained in them, prophecy will fulfill itself. Why not simply dismiss the individual black men who speak poorly of black women, instead of ALL black men? How are we improving anything by defending ourselves against generalizations about black women, by making some about black men? That is not a solution.

    • MissRealuminatti

      We can’t blame articles like this or the media. Young girls are seeing their male counterparts glorifying nonsense: fast money, druggs, colorstruck, murrders, misogynist rap music, etc. Not ALL black men are like that but there is an overwhelming amount of brothahs that fit the stereotype.

      • FromUR2UB

        So, the fix for some black men thinking negatively of black women, is to think negatively of black men? I would say the young men and women who are so down on their counterparts, should probably do something else…literally. Move to a new place, or develop a new interest so that they’re not surrounded by types who don’t contribute to their lives. Meet new people, and strive to be the kind of person they want to attract. When I read the comments of women who say they’re not attracted to black men, and use articles like this to justify that, that feels just as offensive to me as when I hear some black men say black women are belligerant and they’ll have nothing to do with them. Fuel doesn’t extinguish a fire, it accelerates it. This kind of discourse only drives a wider wedge between us, and if we’re not in each other’s corners, then who do we have? Seriously, WHO?

        • k

          Be careful. You are making too much sense.

        • MissRealuminatti

          I never said that was the fix to our problems. I’m just explaining the destruction of blk men and women. I do feel that it is time for blk women to search outside of the box, when it comes to dating. Yes, there are some good blk men out there but there is an even larger group of trifling blk men. The pickings are slim.

          • yeppers

            I agree..I just HATE that these articles make it seem like we are all looking for Nothing but a black man or we are all going to die alone….ummmm NO (*porsha confused face* lol) Whoever is SENT to me and is worthy of my time and my effort and who lifts me up the same way he is lifted up NO MATTER THE COLOR…IS DESERVING OF MY TIME. And black men need to STOP thinking that that is always going to be them, no matter how they act. If a man of another race STEPS up to the plate and knows what he is doing, he is going to get the prize, end of story. Im not saying no to my destiny because hes not a certain color, THAT AINT HAPPENING. love has no color for me.

            • MissRealuminatti

              I agree with you 100%

        • Adrina

          One word: Amen!

    • t

      Thank you sooooooooo much for your comment.

    • ebony satin

      Thank you! every time I com to this site, its talking about why you should date a white man or something similar, its ridiculous.

    • hollyw

      Thanks for this.

  • reality

    Only 1 in 300 married white men has a black wife. This is NOT because sisters are being “loyal” to brothers but because white men want WHITE wives and WHITE children. This myth that sisters are not marrying white men because of racial loyalty is a complete joke. I don’t know even one black woman opposed to dating and marrying a white man but white men are very selective when it comes to black women: No obesity. No kids. No attitude.

    • johnaya

      True story….white guys are really selective. If not a white women they mostly go for Asians.

      • DeepThinker

        I think white men are more subconcious about carrying on their white legacy. More comfort with light skin. Most Asians have light skin so their offspring is less likely to stand out and be scrutinized for not being white. Some Eurasians are hard to distingush from “regular” white people. Plus there are not as many negative stereotypes with Asian people as opposed to blacks and their so-called worth to society.

        • Janae

          Why do black men sit around and analyze who white men want? I have seen black men actually give detailed breakdowns of what white men date as one of my girlfriends had just gotten engaged and 2 more were dating white guys.

    • DeepThinker

      There is a bigger pool of women than men – period. White men are more sought after than any other group of men. There is no incentive for them to pursue “others” partcularly considering that they never had restrictions placed on who they can have access to. Or atleast restrictions with dire consequences.

    • IllyPhilly

      “No obesity. No kids. No attitude.” Sounds personal. That’s not something that’s a White want either. I don’t want that a fat stank attitude having man I’m dating since I’m not that and when I didn’t have kids’ I didn’t want ANY dude with them either.

      • Akiko

        It is something personal. I have a feeling who that person might be, because the agenda is always the same – to put down black women as much as possible.

        • IllyPhilly

          I can agree that the loudness and blatant disrespect SOME of those fools tryna be Black MEN out there say towards darker toned Black women is disgusting, but I’m just not gonna say F the entire Black man. F*ck the clowns like Lil’ azzhole Wayne, Chris ag fay Brown, and all those “brothas” no n!66az who constantly shout-out yellow model this and for even isolating fans for controversy or whatever excuse they use.

          • Akiko

            Black men say disrespectful things toward light complexioned women as well.

    • Akiko

      You always push the same BS on here…

    • chanela

      why do people always think of white men? what about middle eastern,hispanic,asian,pacific islander? they FINE AS HELL. i think there is less of a “OMG” when it’s black people with another brown person. at least hispanic etc men know what it’s like to be a minority in this country.

      • That is PRECISELY what I had in mind when I said “other cultures” when I wrote this piece.

    • …but you have to admit it’s kind of funny watching black women self deluding and thinking white men want them ! lol

      To be fair the same goes to black men, the only time a white person dates or marries a black person is, if the black person have higher social value. unfortunately for black women , women are judged by their looks.The only reason black men get white girls more than black woman is because men in general are judged by their success.

      • Akiko

        It is your own feelings that non-black men do not want to date white men. It is clear that you are pushing your own agenda.

    • Lulu012

      white men aren’t the only non-black race. Even in dating they are obviously held as the standard as shown in your comment. White, male privilege is a cancer that affects every area of life.

    • Stans4Forreals

      Why do black males focus so much on who wants them or better yet who wants the black woman?? Did you ever stop to think s e x ual acceptamce from whites just doesn’t matter to the black woman as direly as it matters to the black male or must she be weak & self hating just because he is???

  • Larkfreya

    Honestly, skin colour doesn’t matter as long as I am with a man who makes me happy!

    • Losh

      THANK YOU. That really should be all that matters. There are great men in every race and there are losers in every race. I find that among my friends, they say they have everything they want in life, but they just need that perfect Black man to complete them. And I think that is where they are flawed–Looking for someone to complete instead of compliment. If you are feeling unhappy and incomplete, NO man, White, Black, or Martian will make you happy.

    • Lulu012

      YES. The pickings are slim for good men PERIOD these days…

      • Senait Ashenafi

        American men period play a lot of games. I found that white men have the same issues that black men do. A good man is hard to find in any race . But it’s triple hard to find the right kind of black man.

  • Laine

    Wow, one of the best articles posted on this site in a while.. Agree 100% with the author!

  • pickneychile

    In terms of black men being the most openly critical of us, yeah I agree. But I never really felt a sense of obligation to waiting on a black man in particular, so it didn’t necessarily translate the same way. I guess I always had the mindset of whomever can love me the right way and build me up is who is deserving of my time, and whether black, beige, yellow, green doesn’t matter. My husband is a European beige man, but it wasn’t because I was purposely looking for that, it just happened that way.

    • Losh

      My husband is Irish, and when I am asked why I married him (which is rude as hell, by the way) I just tell them, because he happened to fall in love with me, and I happened to fall in love with him. And I am not light skinned, I have and big fluffy afro, and I am not stick thin. I am, however, cute, funny, and intelligent. Pretty sure that’s what he likes about me. Oh, and I have great boobs. 🙂

      • pickneychile

        Go girl, I know that’s right!

      • yeppers

        You betta preach…honestly I have taken the time to really focus on myself and my purpose, not out in these streets straggled lookin for a “black” man to approach me and I have been blown away at the attention I get from ALL RACES. Its amazing the difference when you truly exude the love you have for self and being complete. People see that and you dont need to be rail thin or light skinned long hair to get that attention either. And believe me, the SHALLOW men that need you to be that to get their attention, either wont know what to do with themselves when you come around (BECAUSE YOU DONT FIT THEIR STEREOTYPE OF A “BLACK WOMAN”) or wont even approach because they know they wont get the TIME OF DAY.

      • Nisha

        My husband is Irish too….and yeah we fell in love and got married because we get along and love each other…it was that simple. After all the drama and ridiculousness I’d had in the past with men…not just black…it was very refreshing and felt completely right.

  • GG

    Absolutely! Not only have’t they given up on black women but the black community as a whole. Out of black women and men the biggest threat to the white community is black women period and white people know this. A black man is so easily swayed put some white chick in his face or money and he will leave the community in a heartbeat and put the money right back in theirs. Now, on to the hood ninjas they shoot up other black men/boys, children, women they are killing the community. Then the deadbeat dads leaving children because they can’t and won’t take responsibility and these are not all thugs either so miss me with that! The successful ones don’t give back and bring jobs to help the black men they just don’t care. They have low self-esteem period we stay talking about black women and self-esteem but all of these actions project low self-worth as well. It’s just very disappointing but I no longer take the burden or hurt from this and realize this is an issue with themselves that they need to address with each other but it won’t happen!

  • shennen

    oh god. poor dat

  • JMO

    My friends and I must be in the minority because we all have great black men and I know many black men with great black women. I really hate generalizations for a whole race/gender. For every black man that “gave up” is another who’s looking for his black queen. But as some have said, black people are not exclusive to each other.

    • Stanley 001

      Thank you

    • Kayla

      Exactly! This article is very deceptive. You are not in the minority because I too, have NEVER had a problem with black men! I have NEVER felt they have “given up” on me. I am not married but most of my friends are and they too are married to good black men. Let’s say black men DID give up on us (which I don’t believe for a second) – SO WHAT?!? Excercise your options and date outside your race. Black men do it all the time so why shouldn’t we? Come on black women – we need to stop singing this same old song. Black men are not everything!

      • Chey

        I pretty much agree with you, but why do something just b/c “Black men do it all the time…” ? I’m all for interracial dating, but why not do it to make yourself happy, to give others a chance. Not doing everything with the “they’re doing it so why can’t we!?” mentality.

      • Amen. Explore your options and maybe you will find that man who truly loves you and excepts you for who you are. Doesn’t have to be a black man, but, a man who love you unconditionally.

      • chanela

        because unfortunately there aren’t any positive urban legends or rumors about black women. the only thing about us is that we’re fat,loud,and angry… with big butts. men of other races clamor for asian women because it’s a rumor that they have tight kitty kats.hispanic women? they’re spicy and freaky. white women? every man on the planet wants a white woman because they are considered the standard of beauty and are shoved down our throats constantly. with black men, it’s a rumor that they all have huge longo jongos. THAT is why women of other races want black men.men of other races don’t see anything to gain or benefit from being with a black woman.

      • “Black men are not everything!” Or a better way of putting it:Black men are not your “property”.

        • Nisha

          Nor should black women be considered property. That’s total nonsense. If you are a real man, no one would ever have the attitude that someone is their property…man up if that’s the case.

    • Nope

      Exactly. The question more black women need to ask themselves is why aren’t you able to get/keep these “good Black men”?

      **crickets**

      • mac

        vote down all you want, but it’s a valid question.

      • Adrina

        It’s a good question. And vice versa, why aren’t bm pass over a good woman because the other woman had a bigger butt or some physical bs. But speaking as a professional, Christian bw….I did contemplate that question some years ago, so that I could work on myself. I think a lot of black ppl in general need to do that.

      • Stans4Forreals

        I think the negro male has done a good job of showing that even when he has a good woman who is holding him down in every way that his loyalty is still very iffy at best…

        • Nope

          Did you read my question? I explicitly said “good Black men”.

          • Stans4Forreals

            Even so called “good black males” – with good black male often being an ego specific opinion – can mess everything up with their often poor & selfish actions & choices..

            • Nope

              You’re still dodging the question. I mean “good black male” – as defined by the person seeking one, NOT self-defined – what’s keeps more Black women from finding/keeping that person.

            • What does the black man OWE you for being here?

              • Stans4Forreals

                I dont recall saying anyone let alone a black male owed me anything.. I pointed out the black males inability to keep his relationships & family together due to his often very selfish self centered actions…

                • The divorce rate in this country is 50 percent across the board.How did the black man get this distinction of not being able to keep familes together?Truth be told,most black women only want relationships AFTER they have multiple children by bum-ass men then expect the “good brotha”(chump)to be male role model/bill payer.

                  • Stans4Forreals

                    because the black males separation from his woman & children is much higher than all others.. and with the black males baby daddy numbers id say hes looking for the very dame thing you accuse the black woman of.. the black male will have 8 kids by 8 different women and he’ll still be out there looking for the “good woman” knowing he cant offer her a damn think but a bunch of baby mama issues…

                    • Here`s a surprise:There are NOT that many black womn who are worth a damn.How many of those baby mamas have multiple children by multiple bums.Who choose to lay with these bums “unprotected”?

                    • Stans4Forreals

                      Likewise who chose to lay down with all those baby mamas?? She didn’t impregnaye herself.. For all the trash the black male talks about hoes & hoodrats there are no shortage of black males out here ready to sleep with them unprotected.. So I guess that makes him worth jusy as little a damb as you claim the black woman is… Now run along.. You sound butthurt & bitter…

                    • You denigrate blk men on a regular basis,but I`M BITTER?

                    • Stans4Forreals

                      You have been just as deigrating of the black woman..

                    • So nothing I said was the truth?O.k,play victim all you want.White people don`t feel sorry for blk w anymore,so the support you all received from society is coming to a halt.Now go tell the white man he owes you something for your misery.

                    • Stans4Forreals

                      and every way you feel about the black woman i feel double about the negro male.. play the victim all you want to.. noone tells you to have unprotected sex.. noone tells you to see a woman with multiple kids already and still have unprotected sex with her.. it takes two.. no other race or group of man impregnates a woman then runs off like a little b!tch while blaming her alone.. black males are weak irresponsible selfish cowards and i have zero pity for him.. and noone feels the white man owes them like the black male does so you can cut that bullsh!t out right now..

                    • Senait Ashenafi

                      Preach. Black men have way more children with multiple women out of wedlock than black women..

                    • Everything you said applies to bitter,black women.No to be confused with the happy one`s which you are not.Negros? You do know what year this is right?Maybe if you stop blaming your misery on blk men,you might be a happier person.

                    • Stans4Forreals

                      and likewise! stop blaming all your issues on black women and take some personal responsibility.. then maybe you’ll be able to correct your mistakes & you’ll be happier with your life.. man up & stop whining.. noone pities you..

                    • What issues are those? What responsibilities am I not taking.? All I said was that black men are not the black women`s property.

                    • Stans4Forreals

                      And I never said he was.. frankly I think the black woman is much better off without the vast majority of negro males out there – even if it means her being alone.. and the issues I speak of to you are the same issues you claim I have…

                    • I`ll put it like this: If black men are SO HORRIBLE,why don`t black women find other men to date/marry them?

                    • Stans4Forreals

                      the black woman dates & marries who she chooses to just as the negro male does.. Whats your point?? i said black women ate better off without negro males.. i do not speak for the black woman as a whole.. however i do maintain that the black woman & all women are better off without negro males.. now grow up & stop trying to match females word for word… man up..

                    • You are threated by my desire to defend my argument,so the “you shouldn`t challenge a woman`s point of view card” gets pulled.So predictable.Listen,i have a RIGHT to express my opinion as LONG as I like.Don`t like it,don`t respond.

                    • Stans4Forreals

                      Dude.. you’re not challenging anything.. At this point you’re not saying anything.. you’re going back & forth just to be going back & forth and youre looking real ridiculous.. I never said dont state your opinion but when you race to be in a back & forth with a female it kinda makes you look like the very b!tch negro whom noone respects namely the black woman.. you’re a joke.. you’re one of those negro males who always want to run his mouth when noone is listening nor even cares.. you’re one of those feminine asz negroes that love to talk about the black womans arguementative stance yet you love to argue just as much as she does.. I could care less about you or any other negro male.. i cant even stand negro males & i still feel all women are better off without the negro male..also remember – you started commenting to me..

                    • You hate “negro males” but you just can`t stop talking to one.You`re insults are NOT going to make me stop,soooo the shaming tactics will not work.But that`s what you resort to when you can`t FORCE the blk man to see things your way or shame him into silence.What tactic are you going to us next,the “white-jesus”card?

                    • Stans4Forreals

                      Dude you dont have to stop anything.. I can do this as long as you can.. im just pointing out your and other negro males eagerness to stay down in the trenches with a female.. I dont know any other group of males that enjoy arguing with women the way the effiminate negro male does. Perhaps thats why black women are so hard.. someone has to be the man…

                    • In other words:Because you are a female you are “entitiled “to say whatever you damn well please,and the blk man is suppose to sit and take it like some peon.You can miss me with that bullsh*t.If you are so manly,maybe it`s because no man (of any race)wants you.

                    • Stans4Forreals

                      No because as a so called man you’re being very catty.. how ironic that thete would be a cover story on this very site today where a black woman says some of the cattiest people she ever met was males namely black males.. im not the only one who sees how femininely the negro male has regressed.. as I said I can do this with you all day but anyone on the outside looking in will call you a b8tch n8gga for your behavior.. you a so called man has been going tit for tat with a female for close to a week now matching her word for word… you made your point days ago.. at this point you’re just going back & forth with a female & that makes you rather effiminate..

                    • You took a whole paragraph to try to diminish my self-esteem,and you still failed.You are upset you cannot make me feel bad for saying whatever I damn well please to a woman.I didn`t know men weren`t suppose to use a vocabulary.When are you going to realize I am toying with you at this point, genius.

                    • Stans4Forreals

                      Im not trying to diminish your self esteem.. I’m just calling it the way I see it & the way you’re showing it.. and your not toying with me.. you’re matching me tit for tat like a female.. aas I said you made your point days ago.. now your just beung a little female…

                    • Once again,YOU FAIL!!!

                    • Stans4Forreals

                      And you’re an effiminate male.. go change your tampon…

                    • I`ll give it to you,you are persistant.But name-calling me will not change your sh*tty life.

                    • Stans4Forreals

                      Did you change your tampon tho???

                    • Have you ever heard the term “one trick pony”?

                    • Stans4Forreals

                      Thanks for continuously proving my point that negro males are the weakest species on this planet.. there are hpuse pet animals that are more masculine than the negro male..

                    • The only thing you`ve proven is how empty your life is.

                    • Stans4Forreals

                      And your a sad little effiminate ppInk panty wearing negro with no life let alone a sad one…

                    • When are you going to realize that “effeminate shaming tactic” will not work.”I” decide what manhood is NOT YOU.So I will continue with this dialogue until I a{get bored}b{run out of things to say}Or c{you stop responding}So pack a lunch bitter-stella,it`s gonna be a bumpy ride.

                    • Stans4Forreals

                      Trust me I will not stop responding.. I’m enjoying you proving my point about feminine negro males too much.. unfortunately society decides yourmanhood as well through your visible actions.. you started in on a female because you didn’t like her entitled opinion and even after you made that point you went on to match her word for word for over a week with no end in site.. I doubt you’re letting your “male” friends know that you engage in such feminine behaviors.. Society would see you as the effiminate girly male that you are behaving exactly as.. You’re a weak little boy who needs to go tit for tat with a female – proudly – in order to feel like a man.. you’re the exact weak negro male that I began my original comment talking about.. Somewould even call you a b8tch n8gga which wouldn’t be to far off either.. You’re a joke and you’re doing nothing but making me laugh at you.. you negro boys really need to grow up real quick..

                    • One Trick Pony!!

                    • Stans4Forreals

                      One weak b8tch n8gga…

                    • SURPISE!!!! You still can`t force me to shut-up!

                    • Stans4Forreals

                      I know I cant.. thats the b8tch n8gga quality.. B8tch n8ggas never back down.. they just keep arguing likt the little b8tches like they are…

                    • New material,please.

                    • Stans4Forreals

                      I feel so sorry for your mother… it must be hard for her to watch how feminine her son has become…

                    • Nah,same material.try again.

                    • Stans4Forreals

                      Same & still applicable.. you are a b8tch asz piece of sh8t.. I dont need to change up anything when you’re doing such a great job of proving my point about weak asz punk n8ggas…

                    • Using racist language against some one who disagrees with you,but I`M the one that looks bad?

                    • Stans4Forreals

                      Yeah you do.. im calling it as I see it.. youre being a weak b8tch asz trick.. Man up you little puzzy…

                    • Oh you`re breakin` my heart.lmao.

                    • Stans4Forreals

                      So your heartb& your pockets are broken?? Typical sorry negro assclown…

                    • Bad -mouthing me will not drown out those bad childhood memories.

                    • Stans4Forreals

                      Yeah cuz im sure your sorry asz d8ck s8cking mama made your childhood pure hell.. it isnt my fault your mama had to “swallow” for her dinner…

                    • My mother`s college educated,and owns her own home.Nice try.you`re not very stable at this point are you?

                    • Stans4Forreals

                      Your mother is a dirty n8gger d8ck s8cking sl0re & I dont expect your product of a sl0re & john asz to say any different..

                    • O.k white racist troll,you win,i`m out.

                    • Tina Getpaidalldayeveryday

                      im begging yall stop this behavior this isnt who we truly are

                    • Tina Getpaidalldayeveryday

                      yall stop this now

                    • JJ truth

                      Perhaps if you stay off black women’s websites? That would go a long way in solving the problem.

                    • JJ truth

                      Back at ya’ bitter butthurt black man!

                    • Tina Getpaidalldayeveryday

                      your so right somebody giving these rats kids she cant do it by herself I forgot about this one lol

                    • JJ truth

                      BBB? BBB = Butthurt bitter black men

                    • JJ truth

                      How many black men are opening their zippers having unprotected sex and making babies? Black men can get vasectomies and take some control over fathering random babies. No excuses for this trifling behavior its still a man’s world which is why child support payments are garnisheed. Why are black men having unprotected sex with women of other races, married partners, homosexuals, transgenders & other sorts? Then he gives std’s, aids and hiv to black women. No to mention fathering multiple babies he refuses to pay for or care about. So most all black men aren’t worth a damn. The best ones are probably dead so that at least the kids can collect on his insurance to make up for all the years of missed child support payments. Ooops! I forgot most black men are jobless.

                    • Senait Ashenafi

                      Preach. Where I live you’d be hard pressed to find a black man that doesn’t have a at least two or three “baby mamas.” And I’m not talking about thugs either because I don’t fool with that type. Guys who would probably make good husbands but their life is filled with too much drama. With so much child support, they won’t have anything to build with a wife. Smh.

              • Senait Ashenafi

                For starters, I would be a happier person If black men were never in my life. From father to brother, you fools have never been nothing but pain and heartache in my entire life. Good riddens. Won’t be missed by me.

                • That`s YOUR raggedy-ass family.The men in my family are awesome!

                  • Senait Ashenafi

                    Good for you Ms. Fancy pants. Who cares?

              • JJ truth

                You should thank your mother for changing your stinky diapers, teaching you how to read, walking the floor all night with you. Thank mom for all the times she cared for you during childhood diseases for feeding you, keeping a roof over your nappy head and much more.

          • Senait Ashenafi

            What world do you live in? In the the regular world, outside of your “bougie land”, there really aren’t that many dateable good black men. Prison, homosexuality, black men having so many kids out of wedlock, and unemployment have made many black men not fit for marriage in the first place. The pickings are slim and that’s always been the reality for a lot of black women.

    • mac

      Thank you. Some of you need a good honest look in the mirror and self-evaluaton.

      You’ve
      told yourselves that black men are no good, all they want are light
      skinned or white women, just to avoid asking yourself the question:
      “Could the problem be me?”

      I think we could all agree that
      somewhere, no matter how uncommon you believe they are, there must be a
      good looking, God-fearing, educated black man with his priorities right
      and head on straight.

      I also think it’s safe to assume that many
      of you have friends or know other women who are in healthy relationships
      with good black men.

      Now the question is, why aren’t you attracting that type? And who ARE you attracting?

      Why are all black males to blame for your inability to attract good men?

      There
      are bad apples in every race. If you have problems with choosing the
      wrong men to date, and you think dating outside your race will solve
      that, you’re in for a big disappointment.

      I refuse to believe that a good woman, with decent looks and a good
      personality and a lot going for herself will attract this trash you all
      speak of.

      Before
      looking for who or what to blame, whether it be the “European standard
      of beauty” or “black men’s insecurity”, let’s take a good honest look at
      ourselves first and make sure we bring as much to the table as we’re
      demanding.

      • Lulu012

        or it could also be location (in some instances). It’s not ALWAYS the person’s fault.

        • Senait Ashenafi

          That’s so true. There aren’t many decent men where I live.

    • 1Val

      No, you are not in the minority. Discontent generates attention so media is disinterested in tranquility. I have been married to a black man longer than I care to acknowledge as have majority of my circle. Just imagine single people feeling bad about themselves because they have been unsuccessful at love. Therefore, it is palpable to proclaim love as unattainable then to acknowledge they do not have it and are afraid they will never find it.

  • Just saying!!

    After reading this I definitely understand. But I think black men have given up on themselves. The interesting thing is that you’d think if anyone would give up–it would be US! Between the ones in jail, the baby daddies, the uneducated, the ones with no drive and no job, the ones who have no clue how to treat a woman, that leaves us with very few options. Yet, we stay extremely loyal, myself included. Honestly, I don’t see black women being too assertive etc, but I think sometimes brothers want the easy way out, and don’t like having someone who is going to push them. Honestly at this point, I’m more concerned with finding a black man I feel I can be with, as opposed to one who wants me. The pickings are slim and the options (at least where I am) are extremely depressing.

    • GG

      Yes, they have given up on themselves! So don’t take the blame for them or question yourself. Honestly, date a good man who shares your value not just an AA man, I did.

      • yeppers

        I know thats right…chiiillleee i saw this CUTE white dude at church a few Wednesdays ago, and he was chattin it up, smiling. I was like O OK sweetheart I see ya. I will get my Olivia Pope on in a millisecond hunty. I do not care the color. I been lookin out for him ever since!!

        • GG

          Go for it! Men are men it’s just other races tend to be shy. Eye contact, flirt, and kindness and you got him!

          • Akiko

            Other races of men aren’t shy – Black men are just extremely aggressive.

            • hollyw

              i would say that’s an over-generalization lol. i think it’s a combination of both. like, some men might generally be assertive w/ other women, but I won’t deny that for reasons not my fault (b/c they don’t know me yet), they seem a bit more meek approaching me…but they do, tho lol!

              • Akiko

                It’s definitely no an ‘over-generalization’, because my experience says otherwise.

                • hollyw

                  …exactly, using just your own experiences w/ a set of people, i.e. some Black men, to generalize towards that whole population (and others), is a generalization. I’m not downing your experiences, or that Black men can’t be aggressive, but the statement was an exaggeration as all Black men are not “extremely aggressive”…and a negative stereotype.

                  • Akiko

                    It is not a generalization. I know plenty of black women and non-black women who would all say the same. The statement wasn’t an exaggeration, because it is my experience and you cannot argue with me about my own experience.

                    • you never met every single black man in america, much less the world. So automatically you are making a generalization. You mean the black men you’ve encountered are all aggressive. Which I guess sucks for you.

                  • Mike Smith

                    If black men were not aggressive,then black-women would be complaining that they are ‘wimps’ and not go getters.The best thing a brother could do, is get an education and move out the ghetto, to a place where black men are rare,Switzerland,..Europe.The less successful black men in the United States the more they will be appreciated by the sistas.

                    • hollyw

                      …ok, you are clearly trolling. Goodbye.

                    • MzPW

                      Well, that’s a failed logic…..wouldn’t less successful bros lead women to look elsewhere instead of just sitting around, twiddling their thumbs, and hoping bros would get it together?

                    • Amz

                      Who says black men are rare in Europe??? Lmao.

            • Mike Smith

              IS Madame a site to bash black men and hook up with these so called perfect men? This is how a black-woman help create white people:Have a bunch of babies with him, teach them that they are ‘white’. Make sure they date and marry other white people, and thus save the white population.

              • Akiko

                A Black woman cannot have (create) a white child. The White population does not need any saving.

                What the fizzuck are you talking about?

                • ebony satin

                  if you’re referring to me, I didnt say she could. but her offspring could date a non black person and on and on until there is no resemblance of any African heritage for example like what the white people were trying to do with the aboriginals , which was breed them out. by breeding breeding the offspring of each generation of the blood line with white till their was no longer any black left. Get it now?,.. use your brain next time and think it before you post hun.

                  • Akiko

                    There is nothing to get. My comment clearly wasn’t in response to you, because otherwise I would have responded to you directly, little Miss. Next time, use YOUR brain and make sure you are addressing the right person.

                    • ebony satin

                      either way I proved my point, and you comment was still idiotic. Thank you ;o)

                    • Akiko

                      No, you proved that you don’t no squat about biology.

                    • ebony satin

                      master degree sweety . obviously I know more than you, hell my 10 yr old knows more than you if you dont know that.you dont know about genetics you shouldnt comment on me honey. if you have a child with a white man, your child comes out brown obviously, mixed, she then has a child with a white man, less brown,and so on, its why ex slaves who were “passing” had families with white men then 5 or 10 generations down the line its some white woman ( and I do mean white) looking up her family tree and finds out she had black woman or mixed woman who was passing and as far as she knew she was all white….. you should really be ashamed of your ignorance. pick up a book and read instead all those reality shows and maybe you wont make yourself look so stupid on the web.

                    • Akiko

                      You have a ‘master degree’ and not a master’s degree?

                      What the fluck are you talking about, sweetie? I never ‘commented on you’, honey. You responded to MY comment that was never directed to you. I couldn’t care less about your imaginary degree and not so obvious intelligence. You should be ashamed of YOURSELF, little girl. I rarely watch reality TV shows and read plenty of the time. Nice try though, young lady. Don’t bother me anymore.

                    • ebony satin

                      sorry to break to you sweety Not to sound like Im better than anyone just because I finished school, but some of us actually invested in ourselves and went to school instead of some little boys house to spread it wide, dont blame your sad little life on me. Black women are educated too lmao. you are so pathetic arguing with everyone on this one little article. shame lol. Im done. go ahead and say whatever makes you feel better and go get a pat on the back. lol

                    • Guest

                      You’re being desperate, because now, you are just saying (typing) whatever you can.

                      1. Where do you get the impression that I spent my time having sex with ‘some little boys’ instead of getting an education?

                      2. What gives you the impression that my life is ‘sad’?

                      3. How have I been arguing with everyone on this article when YOU are the one who initially responded to MY comment that was directed to a person named ‘Mike’?

                      YOU are the only person who has been arguing with me. And to top it off – YOU are the one who started the argument.

                      This was an article about whether or not black men have given up on black women and you turned it into something personal, talking about your degree that no one asked about or ever cared about. Now, you are trying to personally attack me by making up stuff. WTF. Just give it up.

        • Mike Smith

          WHY WHY WHY are you on this site if you hate black people?

      • Mike Smith

        How many white men do a black woman have to date,to find the right one? The first one that you hit on? White women which are your main competitors , have a white man shortage problem too. So it’s tit for tat! They will wink at a brother, if a sista stole their so called ‘good man’.

    • JaneDoe

      100% agree with you.. Black men are selfish.. They could be from the hood, be professional doctors, athletes whatever.. They are selfish and most could careless about their image, off springs, let alone black women. Hell they don’t need to give up on me being a black woman bc I have given up on them.

      • Very True.

      • Cool black men like me gave up on Negro women years ago. You women are a total disappointment just like the fat woman who wrote this article. Many of you treat black men like crap and expect them to hang around. Other women don’t treat us like black women do and I’m glad I decided not to date black women. best choice I ever made. I’m happy with my Persian banger!!!!

        • Adrina

          It was the best choice you made because if you refer to women as “banger”, then they can have you. How do you know other women don’t treat bm like that…have you dated ALL the other women? And have you ever dated a professional, level minded black woman or just someone who had a big butt and bared it all? Making generalizations like this is ignorant and is in line with the stereotypes of black men.

          • I like my women curvy, long hair, and lightskin.

            • Ladybug94

              Wow, with high standards like those, how can you lose. *sarcasm*

              • truthhurts

                Nice! i think u brought Cool down to earth no? 😉

            • Mystigue

              Sound like a dumb blonde to me. Ask her to spell cat. ” duh kat.”

            • truthhurts

              Way to go hun! You just proved the article’s point!

            • Amz

              Have a nice life with your light skinned girlfriend.

        • Adrina

          It was the best choice you made because if you refer to women as “banger”, then they can have you. How do you know other women don’t treat bm like that…have you dated ALL the other women? And have you ever dated a professional, level minded black woman or just someone who had a big butt and bared it all? Making generalizations like this is ignorant and is in line with the stereotypes of black men.

        • mac

          now before you all vote down this man’s post in masses, please read it carefully. How is it any different than the black man bashing in this thread?
          I’ll definitely wait.

          • IllyPhilly

            It is crazy on here, but it could be the pinned up anger and even
            disappointment of hearing various men colored like you or darker say
            “Light skinned-right skinned” in various forms on various songs. I can
            honestly say I’ve never heard a song or soul songstress constantly
            disrespect at ALL Black dark-skinned men like what seems to be respectable in rap and on TV nowadays.

            • mac

              ……..
              I guess now would be a opportune time to point out that I’m a woman.

            • mac

              nvm. misread.

          • hollyw

            the main difference: bw who bashed bm, not that it was right, was secluded to their behaviors. he not only criticized bw’s behaviors, but challenged their place in the beauty ideal, i.e. making it a point to state he dated outside his race, and that he liked his women w/ “long hair, and lightskin”, which statistically speaking, majority of Black women do not have. Adrina hit the nail on the head in responding that he exhibited a very ignorant stereotype of Bm bashing Bw’s looks, something thee most ignorant do, in addition to a comeback about how bw do bm wrong, too. what makes even less sense is why he’s even on this site.

            • mac

              I’ve seen quite a few posts here from black women saying they’re not attracted to black men. There’s not much of a difference.

              Both sides need to stop perpetuating this garbage.

              • hollyw

                …a lot more comments have popped up since I first started posting lol. And I agree, it’s disgusting and screams self-hate.

        • Janae

          Interesting how you mention how “other” women treat you so well yet most of them single mothers of biracial kids as a result of a result of divorce (Heidi. Elin), black men refusing to marry them caise they realize that grass aint too green (Kim K) or the disgrace of a husband leaving his white wife with his black son (Barack Obama)…you know him.. our president. Black men are such losers that white women don’t complain because they try to save face and put on airs. the women might treat bm well but these loosers screw up a lot. I guess that has to do with being the most powerless men in the world even when you are rich. You rich black men don’t even bring up other black men…sad. White men could solve crime in the inner city if they really wanted to cause God knows black men could never accomplish that feat. I bet you if black men committed the same level of murders in their neighborhoods they would shut that down quick. There would be large piles of black thugs bodies.

          • ted mikeal

            you seem to hate us black men, why don’t you STOP talking about us then ? lmao….

          • Mike Smith

            Hally Berry is an example of how black women ,really are. Looks good on the outside, but cold on the ins8ide…And now for the real deal: BLACK MEN ARE LOSERS CAUSE BLACK WOMEN LIKE YOU-RAISE THEM!!! YOU created POOKIE!

            • JJ truth

              Halle Berry is NOT a black woman she’s biracial. Her little daughter is white.

          • Heidi cheated on Seal. He was a good father to his and her child from other marriage. I’m also sure a lot of Black women said he was ugly back in the day.

            Halle is a baby momma and was called a niggger by her baby daddy.

        • someone is lying

          Soooo you don’t like black women, but yet you are on site for black women constantly. That’s hilarious. I am happily married to a white man. I don’t like black men. I don’t like how black men look or smell so I avoid them. I care nothing about them so I don’t go to sites for black men.

          • Mike Smith

            What about the ‘black baby’ that’s gonna come out of that black womb? You gonna raise him/her up to hate themselves too like you? You see ,this is where the self hate start..right in the womb.

          • Mike Smith

            You don’t like how black people look or smell? so you AVOID them? What kind of white man are you married too…and what type of meetings and books and conversations has he been feeding you? There’s help,out there you know.

            • Justin_Igger

              There’s nothing wrong or weird about hating and avoiding n1ggers. That just means you have good taste.

          • Justin_Igger

            Nobody likes n1ggers lol.

        • hollyw

          It is so odd when you find the opinions of those who are not a fan of Black women on sites such as these. Might I ask, why are you even on here commenting..?

          • ted mikeal

            The same can be asked about black women who seem to hate black men. if one is over black people you would think they stay away but they don’t.

            • hollyw

              uh…i honestly don’t see the comparison. are you comparing black men to black people in gen’l..? I was saying that this is specifically a pro-black-women’s site, and therefore the motives of a self-professed black man who says he dislikes black women would immediately be called into question. this would not be the same for black women, even if they dislike black men, b/c this site is not for black men…

            • Mike Smith

              Yeah…I have ‘dated’ fine black women who went home to their white husbands.They were older educated,financially well off men. I wonder how many black women use white-men,to move up a few notches,but still kicking it, with several homeboys? Hey can Madame address this?

              • Justin_Igger

                N1ggers gon n1g, gnomesane.

            • Justin_Igger

              N1gger women either date n1ggers, or stay alone. Human beings are not attractede to n1gger apes.

          • Nisha

            He’s a troll who has no job and no life…so what do you expect?

        • 1Val

          Not hardly. You frequent majority o black women’s sites serving as antagonist to black women sensitive to interracial dating. In my previous comments to you, your dishonesty is apparent since you obviously care about black women to follow their sites and post on the blogs. Again, its okay for you to admit that dating non-black women were and are not your first choice.

          Clearly, you are dissatisfied with your non-black woman hence your need to flaunt your relationship in black women’s faces they you were unable to have successful relationships with. Black women rejected and hurt you so you are using non-black women as a balm to heal your pain. Unfortunately, for you bedding non-black women to spite black women is akin to attaching a band aid on your gaping wound which hasn’t stopped your emotional bleeding. Bless your heart!

          • hollyw

            Gurl (or boy), you better quit analyzing @HotBreeze:disqus , he ain’t ready for it lol!

            …but seriously, if he’s to this point of antagonizing Bl. women on their on sites, which is akin to harassment, there’s no way he’s anywhere close to self-realization. I almost want to tell everyone to just stop responding, b/c it’s feeding his negative attention-seeking needs, and making it harder for him to do the introspection he really needs. He’s so desperate for the attention of Bl. women, he’s accepting it any way he can get it, i.e. backlash =

            • 1Val

              LMAO!!! He’s as transparent as toilet tissue but if he only knew it.

          • Look Negro woman, if u keep telling urself these lies soon enough you will believe them to be true.

            • sayWoRd

              and you are a Negro man whose ashamed of all the women in your family and 1St on your list is your Negro momma

            • Mike Smith

              The correct term is Negress,I believe.

              • Justin_Igger

                Sheboon n1gger is correct. Or welfare “queen” n1gger.

        • Ann

          That is not true about black women.

      • licia

        I’m dating one now after dating other races after 15 years and he is really selfish and only cares about himself and what he can get……smh..I feel like I’m constantly giving and not being appreciated

      • Senait Ashenafi

        Preach. I’ve given up on them too. I have to save myself. These dudes have proven that they have nothing to bring to my life but pain and confusion. Smh.

    • tina

      This

    • MissRealuminatti

      it’s funny how people say blk women are too assertive, but I think we are too much of a pushover to some of these knuckleheads. No one pacifies the blk man more than a blk woman. We make too many excuses for their poor behavior.

      • ksmall

        Exactly

      • FromUR2UB

        I believe therein lies the reason that some women become so angry with black men, in general: they allowed themselves to have children too young, or too soon after meeting a guy, and often, with a man who is not equipped to be a father or husband. Then, when they begin to feel how tough it is to do it all on their own, they become embittered and start that, “black men are no good” thing. There is a lot of that in our community, and both sides need to take reponsibility and share blame for roles they played in making things what they are.

        • MissRealuminatti

          The bottom line is every race looks to the men to lead, protect, provide, and teach the women and the children. The problem in the black race is that we have an abundance of trifling men that grew up without fathers. Also, many of these girls that are having babies out of wedlock were not raised with a positive male role model in the home. The black family is destroyed because it needs a STRONG father to be the head of the household. Let’s stop this cycle of blaming the blk woman (who has less power/control) for things that the blk man should handle.

          • mac

            and why did these “trifling men” grow up without fathers?

            Because some black women chose to procreate with some “trifling men”.

            Can we start acknowledging that the undoing of the black community has been a two way street?

            • Ladybug94

              That’s not the only reason kids grow up without fathers. Some kids have parents who are deceased or maybe incarcerated wrongly (not speaking of those who should be locked up) but there are various reasons but I understand your point.

            • 1Val

              how many women and men knew prior to marriage or having children their partners were trifling? Some but not all.

              There is much work to be done by both genders to heal hurt within black community.

              • MissRealuminatti

                Exactly! It’s like the saying, “A wolf in sheep clothing.” Most men are not stupid enough to display their flaws to a potential mate.

                • Senait Ashenafi

                  True. Black men are very good at being the man they know you want until they get you..Then the real loser comes out.

                  • MissRealuminatti

                    That’s right! Then the woman get blamed for not assuming he’s full of bs. We are damned if we do and damned if we don’t.

                    • Amz

                      Or could it just be because these women don’t take the time to get to know these men well before actually getting married to them? Could it not also be because they ignored all the evident signs that these men are no good like most people in love do?

                  • Tina Getpaidalldayeveryday

                    yep alot of the time

            • hollyw

              the problem is when others feel the onus should be put on bw and bm equally, when many (I, for instance), simply do not see it that way. I can see some of bw’s behaviors being the cause to the certain state of things, but from a historical perspective, the problem could much better be tracked from the toll the institutions of slavery and racism have damaged the bl. family as a whole, followed by the attitudes both bl. men and women adopted thereafter.

              however, it cannot be denied that currently, for whatever reason, even among SUCCESSFUL bl. men and women, there is a problem that has nothing to do w/ baby-daddies/mamas, trifling-ness, or lack of education.

              • Hey

                Despite the toll of the institutions of slavery and racism, the black family was largely intact until the downward spiral started in the late 1960s.

                • MissRealuminatti

                  It was drugs and crime that ruined the black family

                  • Justin_Igger

                    N1ggers destroyed n1ggers. You are to blame.

                    • MissRealuminatti

                      and whites shoot up schools and marathons…

                    • MissRealuminatti

                      correction – blow up marathons

                  • Tina Getpaidalldayeveryday

                    we gone rise again tho trust me

                  • ScriptTease

                    WELFARE has and still is ruining the Black Community.

                  • JJ truth

                    These are the things that killed the black family. 1. The sexual revolution & cohabitation 2. free birth control & abortion 3. the civil rights movement 4. drugs 5. crime

            • MissRealuminatti

              I guess my comment went over your head. I’m not saying black women are perfect! But, a man needs to lead the women…not the other way around. Black men are the only race of men that have trouble understanding their role in the community. Yes, some black women procreate with trifling men because 90% of the blk men are trifling. The pickings are slim. Also, the “baby mamas” are usually women that did not have a strong father in the home. A real daddy will instill fear in their daughters from opening their legs to trifling men…problem is most blk men are not present in the homes. Blk sons and daughters need a FATHER. If you can’t grasp that concept then you are probably apart of the problem.

              • mac

                90% of black men are trifling? Yea, we’re done here.

                You’re biased beyond any hopes for a reasonable discussion.

                Even if that were the case, I challenge you to ask yourself why you aren’t attracting that 10%.

                • MissRealuminatti

                  First of all, I don’t even date black men. I’m cool on that. Second of all, every black female I know complain about the black man being trifling and the 10% are attracted to me but they come with their own set of issues too. Usually the 10% is already taken. The educated ones feel as if they are God’s gift and usually have a white woman or light skinned woman on their arms. It’s my opinion/observations and if you don’t like it then maybe there’s some truth to it. It’s typical black man style to somehow find some fault in the black woman to justify their shortcomings.. That’s getting old.

                  • King

                    Educated black men date white and non black women, because before they became successful black women rejected them.

                    • Tina Getpaidalldayeveryday

                      some educated

                  • Tina Getpaidalldayeveryday

                    been old

                • JJ truth

                  Some of the 10% of good black men are already married and committed which is why she isn’t attracting them. But of course 90% of black men are trifling, without drive & any goodness. 90% of black men are selfish and are out to use others for what they can get.

          • Justin_Igger

            When it comes to n1ggers, it must be realized first and foremost, that n1ggers are not human beings. This behavior you wretched, worthless apes display on a daily basis, well… it’s not going to ever get any better.

            • MissRealuminatti

              You’re either a disgruntled blk man that’s mad at my previous comments and trying to make some lame point or a lonely white troll that has an obsession with black people…either way, get a life!

        • hollyw

          Do you honestly see both sides as EQUALLY to blame..? I found your wording odd in “allowed themselves to have children too young, etc…with a man who is not equipped to be a father or husband.” Do you see it as there being a proportionate amount of responsible/successful/emotionally-mentally stable men available to their female counterparts?

          If so, I’d argue that you’re refusing to acknowledge the data on that. I can see some of the current state of things between bw and bm being owned by bw, but not half, and def. not all.

          • FromUR2UB

            “Equally”, wasn’t a word I used, and precisely how the blame should be divvied up, 40% here and 60% there, doesn’t seem all that significant to me. When there are problems in a relationship, rarely are they ALL one person’s fault. I’m bothered by hte number of women here who want to absolve women of ANY blame. That’s a recipe for disaster, and a sure way to develop feelings of resentment. You seem to be suggesting that there are not a proportionate amount of responsible/successful/emotionally-mentally stable men available to their female counterparts. If this is the case, women will discover this while dating..you know, when there’s still the opportunity to walk away and not have the rest of your life effected by him. They shouldn’t learn he’s irresponsible through having children with him. If he’s a flake, he’s not going to suddenly become Mr. Responsible or want to commit, just because he and a woman made a child. Some women act like having a baby, is the next natural progression to every relationship. If she wants to have sex, use birth control. Are we back in the 1950s?! What good purpose is served in reducing women to helpless, childlike victims who have no control over their bodies? Even good, responsible men will “show their a$$es” on occasion. Didn’t your mothers and grandmothers ever tell you guys that? So women have to consider their own well-being and act accordingly.

            • hollyw

              The number of women absolving themselves of “any” blame was your biggest ‘bother’ from this discussion lol?? In any case, I didn’t say you actually used the word “equally”. While you said “both sides need to take responsibility and share in the blame”, you only reference women in not one, but both of your responses now as the “key holders”, or the ones ultimately who should take on full responsibility for both men and women’s roles in “the way things are”. I say this b/c you do not mention men having responsibility of anything, and even say that our grandmothers (also women) share some responsibility in warning us against men, as even the “good, responsible men” are not that good at times. So “good” men get to be not so good and irresponsible, but it is forever women’s responsibility to watch not only ourselves, but them as well, and if and when we don’t, it will be our fault. This automatically gives your argument a biased outlook, if not also sexist, and falls in the same category of the women you spoke of in entering a discussion only discussing one side w/o addressing the larger issue, and who’s solution offered w/ ultimately solve nothing.

              Additionally, you only halfway addressed my defense of there being a disproportionate amt of eligible men v. women. If there are, then what do you realistically think will happen in a given society? Ultimately, we are all human beings w/ a desire to mate, love, and create offspring. Should those women just stay alone, shrivel up and die? They, themselves somehow “make” these men better for them through a large-scale institutional training of Bl. men? Or society as a whole focus their energy in making sure the next generation of (Bl) men are more equipped educationally, morally, and mentally? <This is my suggestion.

              • FromUR2UB

                Dear, you are a woman who wishes to feel powerless and victimized. I don’t need to blame men for all ills, because you already do it. Enjoy yourself.

                • hollyw

                  Thank you for the third time not addressing the real issue, and proving my point. You do the same 🙂

        • TinafromLa

          again right on the MONEY period

      • TinafromLa

        girl you hit it right on the MONEY period

    • ksmall

      In all fairness we women have to share some of the blame for their ways. A lot of women aren’t raising young men with any of these values in mind. Instead many enable bad habits and at the forefront aren’t even selective about who they choose to be fathers for their children. It’s not really fair to point fingers without looking in the mirror as well.

      • I agree to a point. All women should be careful about whom they choose to father their children. On the other hand, it is irresponsible men who are leaving their children and leaving the woman alone to raise them.

        • ksmall

          I totally agree with u. But I’m saying that as black women we need to do better about raising boys, even if its on our own, that are more responsible. I’ve heard black mothers say far too often “that’s not ur baby. He doesn’t look like u.” I mean really? Any mother, especially 1 who raised a child on her own should b doing everything she can to help her son find out if its his kid and them do the right thing. But many don’t. They’d rather not be bothered with “someone else’s problem.”

      • Akiko

        How many black men are telling themselves and each other that they are to blame for the ways of black women? ZERO! I am in no way responsible for what black men do.

        • ksmall

          I don’t know what black men tell themselves. I do know that many of us should try do think of our part in raising men that r on BS is all. Nobody is saying for YOU personally to feel bad about it, but the point is that if/when u have a son u teach him to b the kind of man ud want for ur own daughter. And if u have girls u teach them not to accept anything less.

          • Akiko

            I know that no one is saying I should personally feel bad about it, whatever it is. I don’t even know where that statement came from.

            When a woman has a son, it is the job of both parents to teach him to be a respectable individual who respects others. The same as both parents would with their daughter. This whole thing of teaching girls one thing and boys another needs to stop.

            • LadiesNight

              Bye Girl!!

          • FromUR2UB

            …and not raise him to be only a son, his entire life. You’re absolutely right. Some people don’t teach young men how to stand on their own feet…how to be responsible. It’s kind of a way of ensuring that he never leaves home. So, the result is a man who is of no use to himself or anyone else.

        • ksmall

          And don’t act like uve never heard of black women lettin a man do nothing while she handles the bills, taking care of the kids and everything else while he lays on his butt. That’s telling him its ok to b that way so u can’t be mad that he does. Maybe YOU don’t do that, but the women before u who did r letting him think its acceptable so he may come to u on that same bull.

          • hollyw

            I think you are barely scratching the surface. A black man w/ an otherwise strong will and ambition would in no way just start sitting on his butt b/c of one or two relationships of black women that babied him. it’s much more likely that expectation started at home, w/ a single mother taking care of him. she can take her own responsibility for how she babied her son, but not for the man ghosting and not showing his son how to be a man and provider.

            • ksmall

              the point is that the man who didn’t take care of his son has a mother as well, one who likely didn’t teach him that you don’t bail on your kids. and it’s likely that he’s mirroring the bad behavior he got from his own father. so where his own kid’s mother can do better is to teach him that is NOT ok to do what his father did. and i don’t see that happening as much as it should.

              • hollyw

                No, the point is that you are using circular logic lol. Just as you can say, “bw are babying men/responsible for men/choosing deadbeat men/not teaching their sons not to bail on their kids”, I can say “bm are bailing on their women/kids, not being there to teach them how not to bail on their kids”. It’s circular and pointless.

                I am positive that there is NO bl. mother teaching their son that it IS ok to abandon kids, so do you really think it would make a substantial diff. if she said it directly? Compared to that son having a father to SHOW him how not to abandon their kids? I disagree that this is something a mother could even ‘teach’ a kid, esp. by just telling them repeatedly…

                • ksmall

                  certainly no mother teaches that, but by not encouraging him or even discouraging from taking of a child that might be his it’s essentially saying to him it’s ok. i wasn’t making a statement saying it’s true across the board, just that it’s highly prevalent. and it IS circular and cyclical and that is totally the problem. my point is that if and when a kid has a kid of his own on the way, especially if the father is young and still lives at home, his own mother should be saying “son, we are going to find out if this kid is yours and if it is you i’m telling you that you WILL do right by him/her.” instead i hear a whole bunch of “the baby doesn’t look like you so it must not be yours” or “you know that girl sleeps around it’s prob not your baby.” def not true across the board but very prevalent and yes, very ignorant but it happens way too often. obviously, the best way to teach a kid is to lead by example.

                  • hollyw

                    ok, I understand your point now. young fathers w/ mothers, right. I can think of a few examples…

                    • ksmall

                      exactly. i’m 36 and this was going on when i was in high school and college. so those kids are grown now and about the age where they would be dating. again, not saying it’s true across the board, but black parents are among the youngest year after year. black kids are over 60% more likely than their white counterparts to come from a single parent home led by a woman. that said, i feel like it can be fixed right there at home by a woman. she’s not responsible for all of her kids’ mistakes but she can certainly affect how they look at the world and how they may choose to live. my husband is from fatherless home, never had a dad or father figure, but he’s the best dad ever for 2 reasons – 1) his mom taught him to do right by women and by any kids he may ever have (tho he should try to get married 1st), and 2) don’t do to another kid what your dad did to you. words to live by.

                    • hollyw

                      well while i’d agree that a single mother could contribute to her son’s feeling a lack of responsibility if she is supporting his ignorance, contributing to the cycle, I’d hold off saying that the single mothers are the ones to fix this, simply b/c in these situations, the mothers are ignorant as well, most likely b/c they, too, either came from a broken home, or have been scorned so badly by worthless men that they wouldn’t even have the intellectual capacity to rise above these situations.

                      Now, I’m not saying that all single moms are this ignorant, but it’s enough of them spawning this type of guy, in these types of neighborhoods where these young relationships are prevalent, to keep the epidemic going. In fact, the single mother we speak of was prob in fact the young girl who’s baby’s father’s mother badmouthed her! So I doubt putting the responsibility to come up out of this on them would solve anything…

                    • ksmall

                      Agreed!

          • Akiko

            I don’t know what kind of men who you are used to dealing with, but no man would ever come to me with that kind of behavior, because that isn’t who I keep in my circle.

            But really, it shouldn’t matter what another woman ‘let’ him do, because an adult man should have enough sense to think and do for himself.

            You and other Black women can keep carrying the burden of black men, but I will not and never have.

            • ksmall

              1st, there’s no need to make this personal against me and what kind of men i deal with because you don’t know me. but since you brought it up, i have always dated good, educated, and motivated black men that mirror my own accomplishments and goals. as such, i happen to have been married for 8 yrs to a very good BLACK man. and most of our friends are successful and happy black couples like us. despite that, i recognize that we are not the norm in the black community, and the lazy unmotivated dude is what i see as more prevalent than men like my husband. case in point, i was raised to expect more from a man so the man who’s not doing anything with his life never stood a chance with me. when we start raising our girls to be the best AND expect the same from black men, and also raise our boys likewise, we’ll have less of this “who gave up on who” conversation happening.

              2nd, i’m not suggesting that black women carry the burden of black men. i’m simply saying that many black men were raised by a black woman who didn’t raise him to be the kind of man she’d want her daughter to date. and/or didn’t raise her daughter to be the kind of woman to not tolerate a man who is on some BS. i’m saying that as parents, let’s take more responsibility for what we put out there when it comes to bringing kids into this world and not teaching them right. it may not apply to you now b/c u may not have children, but if there are black men out there that you’ve dealt with that are subpar or on some “non-black is more beautiful,” his parents are to blame as much as he is. that’s the point that i’m making.

              • Tina Getpaidalldayeveryday

                damn good one at that

          • JJ truth

            The women that do everything do so because if they didn’t do it nothing gets paid and nothing gets done. That’s a stressful role while the black man in the relationship quits his jobs and uses her adding to her problems.

    • I agree with you. In essence, black men have given up on themselves.

    • hollyw

      I agree, and I think the backlash from Black men is b/c of their jealousy and own self-loathing. I can’t tell you in how many relationships I’ve had men literally pleading w/ me to just “take an L”, comfort him even when he’s wrong, or disrespected me, or needed far more emotional support from me than I needed from him. A lot of men are broken, and I mean these young, 20-30-something, successful Black men who look good on the outside, but are carrying a world of hurt and insecurity…which, ironically, is what they say we do. No, we’re resilient. They can’t handle the same kind of scrutiny. Unfortunately.

      • yeppers

        You just hit the nail on the head…alot of men that run around claiming they are “good men” because they have a job or a lil money/no kids, are asking women to be fools to be with them because they feel like they are some CATCH. If you dont respect and honor yourself and Act as a King, then you dont deserve a QUEEN. You attract what you are. I dont reinforce negative behavior by being with you through disrespect and emotional abuse. Learn how to treat a good woman and you will be treated as a good man.

        • hollyw

          YES! Learn to be a KING, first, so you will know how to get and treat a Queen! Thank you lol!

          • Justin_Igger

            N1ggers cannot be royalty, only human beings are worthy of such prestige.

      • Justin_Igger

        Can’t really blame the n1ggers, they are finally realizing that the entire world hates them.

      • Tina Getpaidalldayeveryday

        girl u smart lol exactly

    • Africanpride

      The discussion of black men vs black women is never ending because neither of these people want to own up and discuss more of solution as opposed to always complaining and having a depressing, giving up, nonchalant answer. The reality is, the root of the problem is not being addressed, and people are not taking actions to improve on themselves. The foundation is broken, so how do you pick up the pieces and fix it into one with no form of proper examples or guidance/direction or healthy confidence. First of all, pointing fingers is NOT the solution, and that’s what is done than anything else. Black men and women have given up on themselves, each other and one another. Black women love to give themselves credit for their loyalty, but fail to accept their bad decisions and mistakes. Is loyalty condoning all kind of foolishness? Is loyalty settling for less bcos you have no standards or understanding of the role of what a responsible man/husband should be? Black men don’t want to address anything except talk about how black women are to be blamed for their failures, wrongdoings or self esteem issues. So, let’s all look at ourselves as an individuall, and try to better ourselves. And, how we can positively uplift each other with good actions and decisions not lie and be delusional about it. It starts from having a healthy mindset, identity, knowing who you are as a person and open to growth.

      • hollyw

        I feel you, I really want to redo this entire discussion, but set ground rules first…and be able to delete ignorant or antagonizing comments. Some of these comments are just silly, but it’s clear in others how much pain has been experienced from both sides…and no one is getting heard.

        …and I also think MN is to blame for some of this lol. They keep coming w/ these articles that they know d@mn well their followers aren’t able to conduct themselves properly for!

      • Mike Smith

        And may I add, STOP DESTROYING THE LITTLE CULTURE,THAT WE DO HAVE and STOP EMULATING WHITE CULTURE just because they have a control of ALL the money.

    • Africanpride

      The discussion of black men vs black women is never ending because neither of these people want to own up and discuss more of solution as opposed to always complaining and having a depressing, giving up, nonchalant answer. The reality is, the root of the problem is not being addressed, and people are not taking actions to improve on themselves. The foundation is broken, so how do you pick up the pieces and fix it into one with no form of proper examples or guidance/direction or healthy confidence. First of all, pointing fingers is NOT the solution, and that’s what is done than anything else. Black men and women have given up on themselves, each other and one another. Black women love to give themselves credit for their loyalty, but fail to accept their bad decisions and mistakes. Is loyalty condoning all kind of foolishness? Is loyalty settling for less bcos you have no standards or understanding of the role of what a responsible man/husband should be? Black men don’t want to address anything except talk about how black women are to be blamed for their failures, wrongdoings or self esteem issues. So, let’s all look at ourselves as an individuall, and try to better ourselves. And, how we can positively uplift each other with good actions and decisions not lie and be delusional about it. It starts from having a healthy mindset, identity, knowing who you are as a person and open to growth.

    • truthhurts

      Honey, start looking outside. Let your black light shine! Expand your horizons. Maybe you need to travel because lord knows I will as soon as I make some real money. Good luck babe!

    • Justin_Igger

      Everyone always wants to date up. Nobody finds n1gger females attractive. Largest percentage of population with AIDS and all other STDs, and you just flay out look exactly like overweight chimps.

  • IllyPhilly

    Well I believe Ice T said it best when he said, “Black men will f*ck anything while the Black Woman is just sitting around waiting on just him.” I took that as his way of pushing more Black women to date outside of their race as well. So maybe it could be viewed that way about most you see in the media. I still am attracted to Black men and date Black men because I’m not gonna say ALL Black men have no interest in my Blackness inside and out. I have dated and married interracial and never had a preference for one particular race.

    • TRUTH IS

      Ice tea was speaking of himself and company…first step is admitting, right?!

      • IllyPhilly

        Yup, true.

  • There are other men on this planet besides black ones.

    • Just saying!!

      That’s not the point.

      • Yes that is the point. btw I read the full article she’s full of ish, how is this any different than the black women who complain that black men put them down just to date interracialy You can’t honestly believe that she can speak for all black men based on her personal experience.

    • v

      And these men are lining up to MARRY black women? Stop lying to yourself. Racism exists in healthcare, housing, justice and employment. Do you actually believe it doesn’t exist in dating and mating.

      • ok

        Men like pretty women period..so for attractive pretty black women, yes there are plenty of men who are lining up to date them and not just white men. For sloppy ratchet women who don’t take care of themselves, outside of a quick nut no one is really checking for them

        • Yah

          some black woman must’ve hurt your feeling really badly, ok. go have a good cry and stop venting on MN

          • ok

            I am a female..and what i’m saying is true..

        • JJ truth

          Let’s move beyond dating & just having a screw. We are focusing on long term commitment as in marriage & raising a family together. Most men when given a choice of a lifemate choosing from beautiful women of all races they aren’t choosing to marry the beautiful black woman. Black women aren’t getting the rings on their fingers.

      • of course racism exist, but that doesn’t mean she can’t find a suitable mate who happens to be of a different race. Men will give you a headache no matter if they are of the same race or of a different one. It’s all about finding the right one.

        • Janae

          It is really comical that black men say that nobody else wants us. We also said that there would never be a black president in our lifetime. People don’t realize that a black woman and white man are the last thing that a ww and bm want to see. They TRY to act like they don’t care but they do care very much.
          You will see bw/wm pairing in good numbers before black men are ever able to compete with other men of the world for power. Now THAT is something we wont see in our lifetime. Black men are losers. They are too dumb to realize it.

          • I love black love, but I also have no problem with interracial dating, because there are beautiful men of all races I’ve encountered. What gets me is that just because black women don’t uphold the European standard of beauty doesn’t make them undesirable. Which some black men like to say.

            • Lulu012

              “What gets me is that just because black women don’t uphold the European standard of beauty doesn’t make them undesirable.”

              this is a lie from the pit of hell.

            • Lulu012

              “What gets me is that just because black women don’t uphold the European standard of beauty doesn’t make them undesirable.”

              this is a lie from the pit of hell.

    • ebony satin

      yes but their are a$$ holes in everyone. what is it with the black race purposely seeking out other races to be with. you do realize we are the only race that will say we dont date our own(embarrassing alone) and purposely seek out a different race to have kids that dont have the same characteristics you see in the mirror, the self hate is ridiculously astounding. dark skin people not wanting to date another dark skin person so their kids wont be dark skin. people wanting mixed kids so they will have different hair. no wonder dispite all black people have done in America be still are treated to bad, we project to the world that we dont even think we’re good enough, so why should they. and your answer is date another race? why? what would that accomplish? would that make anyone feel more secure as a black woman? because black men are throwing there seeds around making mixed kids, so will you. will that ,make you feel better? will you still feel proud to be a black woman? then what? when because you did, you child also dates white or another race, eventually totally erasing any resemblance of you from your own blood line, till you’re a family secret no one wants to admit or will care about. dating outside the race is not the answer.

      • dating whoever makes you happy is the answer. Whether that person is in your race or not.

        • maggie

          Oblivion is bliss

      • JJ truth

        People have only one lifetime to live then its off into the unknown of eternity. God commands people to marry and raise families. We live for God and live life within the years God has allotted to us. One cannot live for a race– race is not God. Race offers nothing in the afterlife. A woman’s years for child bearing are limited. Black women have to expand their horizons beyond black men if they don’t want to die alone. Already too many are weighed down with obesity, high blood pressure, heart disease, stress & a high mortality that previous generations of black women never knew because they didn’t carry the load alone. Asking black women to remain alone is asking them to be abnormal. Women were made to marry & raise families. In this life black women will have to get what they need & stop accepting artificial limits. If one wants a family but the black man isn’t willing or able than one must not set racial limits on finding love & commitment. Black women are women too they need respect, love, adoration, protection & provision. You can’t expect black women to live like nuns or be easy sex for black men who don’t love them. If eligible black men turn their backs on marrying & raising families with black women than she has no other choice but to move on. Each black women has to go out and find happiness or a fuller life in her individual life span. As the phrase goes “If you can’t be with the one you love Love the one you’re with.” Mixed kids will still have your genes and will be yours. Some women can mix some can’t.

  • Akiko

    Thank goodness I am not attracted to Black men…

    • Fair and Balanced

      Like you I have never been attracted to Black men, while growing up I kept thinking something was wrong with me but finally realized I am who I am and that is not going to change. I do believe that the Black woman is constantly criticized because of who we are, regardless of the type of lifestyle we lead we have somehow manage to make it through and not allow ourselves to be completely broken. These trials are far from over, whether we are well educated, down trodden or living a lifestyle that is not in line with morality the fact of the matter remains our strength and struggles have pulled us through. I believe the problem with Black men and everyone else who seems to have an issue with Black women is plain and simple we are an enigma inside an enigma and can’t be figured out. Many have sought to break us and many will continue to do so, we are called mean, deceitful, angry, our skin color and body type is degraded and the list just keeps going. Here is the reality, know yourself, throw out what someone else thinks about you and love who you love. I could care less what the Black man thinks about me or anyone else for that matter just think of it this way…mind over matter, I don’t mind what it is you think about me because you in no way matter to me. You have your opinion about me and I have mine. I don’t need to tear someone down to build myself up.

      • anon

        Are you saying you’ve never seen an attractive black man? Do you find them unattractive because of the color of their skin? If so do you believe that white women are more attractive than black women? How is it so easy for you to make such a blanket statement about an entire race of men? A race you belong to? Comments like yours are sooooo strange.

        • You can’t control who you are attracted to. Some people have preferences and some don’t. What about men like Jon B. who exclusively dates black women? Does that mean he hates himself or other whites? You like who you like and no one should ever be judged for that. Period.

          • IllyPhilly

            Jon B has said before he preferred light-skinned Black women. I think since his wife or ex is darker toned those comments are probably considered obsolete, he still said it though.

            • Neither his ex wife nor his current wife are light skinned.

              • IllyPhilly

                He still said it though. This was very early in his career, but as with an Eminem diss against his ex-Black girlfriend, for all the “wigga” in them they still had their hangups as well.

          • v

            Yes you can. Our minds will not allow us to be attracted to family members. We do have control over who we are attracted to.

          • a

            There is something seriously wrong with any black man or black woman who finds their genetic counterpart unattractive. Sorry.

            • I find a large number of black men attractive. Not all as I’m sure you’re not attracted to all either. I’ve been rejected by black men and other races too. My argument is you like who you like and race should never play a factor in whom you choose to date.

            • Akiko

              There is something seriously wrong with anyone who thinks that one should be attracted to someone simply because they share the same phenotype.

            • mac

              especially if your SOLE basis for finding them unattractive is the same skin color on your own d*mn skin.

              Are you then calling yourself unattractive as well?

          • Fair and Balanced

            I agree 100% with you, this is just another crab in a bucket plantation mentality that is still floating around in our race. No one questions it when a Caucasian male exclusively dates and marries Black women but whoa to the Black woman who voices her opinion and it goes against the grain.

            • Thank you. Black women are the most judged and ostracized group among all. We have to be pigeon-holed into everything we do. Sorry, but those archaic days are over.

            • MissRealuminatti

              Also, no one questions white women that exclusively date black men. it’s tough being a black woman in the U.S.

          • FromUR2UB

            As flattering as that may seem to many black women, I would think yes, that he does have some issue with his own race, or maybe his mother. It’s like a person who doesn’t like their own family…something is wrong, even if justified. How can anyone think that there is no cause for concern, when someone ostracizes their own people? You might like a person, but if they began saying things like that all the time (because if it’s in their heart, it’s going to come out sometimes), that would become a turn off. You’d begin to wonder: are you with me because you like me and who I am, or just because I’m not a member of your race? At least, I would.

        • Fair and Balanced

          I love my brothers but have never been attracted to them, I will never believe that Caucasian women are more attractive than Black women, you are drawing the wrong conclusion which makes your comments extremely strange. As Black women we are the trend setters and have always been from the way we braid our hair to our wonderful curves Caucasian women and women of other races have tried to steal everything they could. They spend thousands to lay out in the sun to look like us, they add fillers to their bodies just so they can look like us why on earth would you assume from my statement that I think Caucasian women are more attractive than Black women when everything they have done is so they can try to look like us? They may get the credit for something we invented long ago and what is truly God given to the Black woman but that is as far as it goes, we know the truth perhaps you should search yourself and find out why you find my comment so strange perhaps you misread it. I have the right to fall in love with anyone I choose the fact that I am not attracted to Black men is not a sweeping generalization its my personal preference. Just as I appreciate your possible desire for the black man please understand that my desires run differently. We really need to stop this on the plantation and crab in a bucket mentality just because we may not vote the same or prefer something different than someone in our race. I hope this answers your question.

          • Felipe Simmons

            What kind of politically correct bullcrap is this beacause the last I checked, non black women are pretty happy with their looks and do not want to look like black women.

        • Akiko

          Nowhere in her comment did she say that she has never seen an attractive black man. All of your questions are based on your own presumptions of why someone would not date intraracially. I’ve seen this many times before where a person wants someone’s reason for dating interracially to be because of hate.

      • RedVelvetCake

        I don’t believe in interracial dating and I will never date a man of another ethnicity. You have to be total savage to be African American and find another race attractive enough for you to marry. Coming for an African American woman,I will never date,marry,or reproduce with another ethnicity.

        • Fair and Balanced

          Great you don’t believe in interracial dating then don’t but that does not make me a savage it does however make you ignorant in making such a broad and clueless statement. I have the right to choose just as you do. I am not knocking Black men and refuse to live by your standards just because that is your preference. Marry, date do as you please just as I will. I refuse to have someone tell me who I can and cannot marry or date and I refuse to live on the plantation and remain a part of the crab in a bucket mentality but that is me perhaps you are the savage because you actually felt by casting your anger off onto another Black woman you would feel better. I think not, do you and I will continue to do me God Bless!

          • RedVelvetCake

            Excuse me? That was MY personally opinion. I gave my personally opinion and you gave yours. Why do I have to be “angry” because I don’t agree with you? Chile please!!!

            • Excuse you indeed.

              Glad to know that somewhere along the line, my great so and so grandparents were “savages”. Chile please yourself.

              • RedVelvetCake

                No,Excuse you because NOBODY was talking to you in the first place.

                NOBODY cares about your “great” and “grandparents”.

                My grandmother,great grandmother,and so fourth and so on MARRIED African American men,so who cares about your opinion??NOBODY,so off yourself.

            • MissRealuminatti

              because there was no need to counter her argument…you were being antagonistic

              • RedVelvetCake

                It was because I was stating MY opinion just like the rest of your dweebs are doing. How was I being “antagonistic”?? Chile please. I was giving MY opinion,just like there is NO need for you to counter MY argument. Get your life!!!!

                • MissRealuminatti

                  I’m not countering your argument. I was answering your question silly fool. I think you will be the perfect match for a black man because you are ignorant, angry, and ghetto like most of them. How about – get a life!

            • chanela

              your personally opinion? LMAO

              • RedVelvetCake

                Yes,my personal opinion. Girl,have a seat,CDFU!!!

                • Nene

                  Yall stop all this PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!
                  This has been my point since 1980!!
                  STOP HATING EACH OTHER
                  LEARN HOW TO COMMUNICATE
                  LEARN TO SPEAK PLEASANTLY TO ONE ANOTHER
                  MOST OF ALL ALWAYS RESPECT ONE ANOTHER!
                  This brings tears to my eyes because all of my Life Ive been a Black Panther I’m a Black Woman. Ive never agreed with this Ever. Ive Never liked it. I dont hate on my race the men nor the women I show everyone the Utmost respect or at least that is always my intentions.I love my race with all of my heart and soul and simply think the World of us only if you all really knew the history of us and how you all should see yourselves you would be Amazed even more at just how Powerful and Brilliant we really are. It breaks my heart everytime I see this from us will you all ever understand my pain and my begging out to you all right now to make it a point to speak to one black woman a day for 1 month and you will see a change in your heart. Ive prayed for 32 years when will I finally get one of the greatest wishes that Ive wanted all of my life.Please. I Love You All.

                  • ScriptTease

                    Ms. Nene, I feel your pain. I find myself crying more than I care to share when comes to the future of Black People. Massa damn sure did a number on us. We are the only race of people who have these types of discussion, mainly because it’s in our faces 24/7. I’m trying my best to become a certified Screenwriter, just to get myself out there because I have plans that goes beyond screenwriting with trying to bring black folks closer together.

              • Chey

                lmaoooo!!! ahaha

            • Fair and Balanced

              Your message came across angry, remember you did call me a savage because of my dating preference I could have ignored you completely but felt you deserved to be answered say what you will and date who you want but understand everyone has a preference and stop running Black women into the ground because their preference differs from yours.

              • RedVelvetCake

                This is the internet. How can you detect that I’m “angry” over my comment? Girl,you’re doing the most. That was MY personal opinion and I’m happy with my BLACK MAN.

            • Guest

              Where’s your nun membership?

        • MissRealuminatti

          Well, you’re limiting yourself. Stop being loyal to men that are not loyal to us. Good and bad men come in any race. Waiting on a decent black man will be a long, lonely, bitter journey.

          • RedVelvetCake

            How am I’m “limiting” myself? My preference is BLACK men and I will MARRY a black man. Just because YOU had BAD LUCK with black men,that doesn’t mean I will. I haven’t really been in a SERIOUS relationship,so STOP trying to put your views on other people. Even if a black man did me wrong,I WOULDN’T jump ship and DATE outside of my race.

            • yeppers

              You Besta Get on back on that plantation fo massa come and cut yo foot off Kunta, you kno you aint sposed to be talkin to the white man….Get on way from round here now gul. You know we aint spose be mixin races nah….You sound like you from the 1800s…girl there is NOTHING WRONG with the love from other races. Where on gods green earth did you get this line of thinking. And then to say you have never even been in a serious relationship. There is nothing wrong with YOU, ME, or other races that makes them unworthy of love from the next race. Love ALL PEOPLE. Attractiveness is not based on the color of ones skin, you just as ignorant as people telling black women they are not as beautiful as a white woman.

              • RedVelvetCake

                You sound ignorant and during slavery black men were LYNCHED trying to talk to a white woman(Emmitt Till),so why would I date,marry,or re procreate with a man who’ve oppressed blacks. No thank you,I wold rater DATE,MARRY,AND RE PROCREATE with a BLACK man.

                • Amz

                  Oh please. Get over the slavery mindset. The generation responsible for the horrible things done by white people is not this one. Some African Americans need to get over this slavery nonsense.You guys will never move forward if you don’t stop thinking so backwards. Smh.

              • JJ truth

                There’s nothing wrong with finding love within your race either. You are part of the same history, culture, gene pool and socialization. There’s a lot to said for staying within the group and fighting the battles together, parenting and raising families within a comfort zone of racial cultural socialization. A person within your race can better understand your struggles, setbacks, rejections & emotions and the toll it takes on one living in a brutal race conscious society. They know your issues which are their own and because of it they are better able to build you up or support you. A person who is of your race can better feel and experience all the things about being black with you. They can be more likely to become your soul mate and may be better able to reach & share those unexpressed places of the heart. Its about finding “real love” that lasts & is committed. But it seems for black women that its easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle.

              • Anashcali

                And maybe u don’t understand that most of the black women who chat on this blog are expressing how hurt they are because they don’t want to be rejected by black men, they still want their black men as it is there PREFERENCE. Get it.

            • MissRealuminatti

              I never had “bad luck” with black men either. I never given them the chance to dog me out like I see so many of my black girlfriends go through so much drama. But, why is it okay for you to throw your anti-interracial views on others??? That was the reason why I responded to your comment. You act like dating out of your race is the worst thing since World War II. Have fun being a future, single baby mama. Good luck!

              • JJ truth

                Some black men do marry black women. Although, most blacks aren’t getting married at all these days. They are living together w/o marriage black women selling themselves off too easily on the cheap with these arrangements. Too many black women allow black men to walk over them. And sad to say many black women practice colorism too. Wonder if the black man learns this from his black mother? Many black moms hate on black girlfriends all the time. Some are overjoyed to welcome white women into their families and brag about their biracial children.

            • JJ truth

              Ever wonder why you haven’t been in a serious relationship? Some people will never date outside of their race & some will. Women look for that “special one.” Other women aspire to more than careers they want marriage & family. All women need respect, love, adoration, caring and protection. I can understand why some women widen their selection if they aren’t meeting the right kind of men in their race or they have negative relationships. What I don’t understand is how someone can make a point to never include members of their own race in the selection pool. This reeks of self loathing that a member of their race can’t meet their needs and is inferior. There’s nothing wrong with interracial love & dating–if one is secure in their own identity & worth. However, when its the only preference shunning all others of one’s own race this is hate. When one feels the need to justify his preference by crucifying & casting aspersions on members of their race this is just wrong. Black men who go out of their race do this far more than black women who go out of their race.

        • Amz

          Lol. Good luck with yourself, then. If you choose to reject a good man just because he’s of a different race, equally, there’s something wrong with you. That’s backwards thinking. I’m sorry. But it just is..

      • brianna

        I think black men and black woman look beautiful. together white woman go with black men to have a tan

      • JJ truth

        Unchallenged stereotypes combined with lies that go unchallenged can work to create collective harm.

  • Moe

    Yes, I think this whole black men prefer black women thing only pertains to the 30+ crowd. I’m in college and it is rare that a black guy exclusively likes black girls. The ones that even give us a second look want us to be light skinned with long hair and lighter eyes. You guys can scream that its not true but look at these under 25 dudes in Southern California and then tell me otherwise.

    • IllyPhilly

      I remember living out there as a teen coming from the East Coast and I said for the high schools to be as diverse (at least compared to Philly’s school system) there was a lot of racial tension and ill feelings like that and I’m nearly 30. I can understand where you’re coming from. Sad that it still sounds the same.

      • Nia

        I have family in Philly and we visited. I remember going to the mall and seeing all black couples. I didn’t see one black man with a woman who wasn’t black. I was schocked!

        • eric carroll

          I love black women black women got that vibe that connects with me !(as a black man i would never give up on black women !

    • sabrina

      I studied over in LA for a semester, and I didn’t like the dating scene at all. I got the most play with white men because 1) I hardly saw any black men around the parts that I was in and 2) When I did see black men, they were mostly with white/exotic-looking women. I ran as fast as I could back to the East Coast where the dating scene is a bit more promising.

      • eric carroll

        Maybe black men were scared to say something to you cause a lot of black men are afraid they migjt get rejected by you,most black guys i know don’t even know what to say to any women period! They just can’t accept getting rejected ,maybe you should brake the ice !?

    • DeepThinker

      That’s Southern California a small region of the US that is primarily shallow and sperficial about their looks. Most guys that age are mostly dating for “appearances” and what they think is the hottest trend. I hope this doesn’t discourage you.

      • yeppers

        This is unfortunately true, I moved here to Cali from MS where interracial dating is still somewhat taboo and black men here that Ive personally been around have NO PROBLEM calling darker skinned black women FLAT OUT UGLY in comparison to other races and light skinned women. I think thats why alot of black girls out here have such a superficial complex, long beyonce weaves, bleaching, just OVEREXPOSURE to get attention for things other than your personality because they feel they will be overlooked by black men because of skin color. Its a SAD state of affairs here and it breaks my heart, girls being damaged by this mindset. I personally keep my mind grounded in my God given purpose and work on being a complete person for HIM, but thats not the story for all people. I dont know what this world is coming to.

        • Alright Alright

          It’s just sad these girls have to deal with black men. It’s like they’ve been cursed. what they don’t realize is that the very men they seek-black men- ARE the curse. They need to get as far away from these “males” as possible. If not, they will continue to be called ugly by their (sadly) “own men”.

          • Uncle Willie

            If a girl is ugly then that’s just what she is

    • Nia

      I live in N. California (not Oakland) and it’s bad here too. I live close to San Jose and you see more black guys with other race women than with black women.

      • MissRealuminatti

        Me too! I live in the bay area and black men are ridiculous! They are so colorstruck and act as if they are doing blk women a favor

        • Really, I live right next to the Lake Merritt ( Oakland ) and i get hi on by black men all the time. I am a dark skin female by the way .

          • MissRealuminatti

            yeah, Oakland guys are not as colorstruck as the ones in San Jose, Hayward, and cities. However, most do prefer the yellow girls over the dark ones.

      • mac

        I was born and raised in the Bay, and interracial dating is common there, period, not just with black men.

        • JJ truth

          keep telling yourself that b.s no other man on the planet behaves like the black man toward interracial dating & marriage. Black men disrespect black women and the whole world knows it. Its a disgrace the hate they hold.

      • eric carroll

        Well i need to come out there to get with a beautiful black sister i love dark brown sisters i coming out there so them black men who don’t date dark brown sisters can step aside i will date you !

    • MissRealuminatti

      the young blk guys are unaware and ignorant of racism and the struggles that the 30 and over crowd has faced. They are brainwashed by the media’s perception of “beauty.”

    • Janae

      I was at a restaurant on the East Coast that is predominantly black in a mixed neighborhood and it was a twenty somethings hangout. Every and I mean EVERY black guy in there had a light, white or other girl with him. I had never seen that before. JMO and Kayla. Its nice if you and all your friends found nice guys but see who is together a few years from now…

      • chanela

        that’s how it was yesteday. i was at a club in hollywood and it was mainly black men and every single one had a light skinned or non black woman… meanwhile all the actual black women are sitting either alone or with a group of female friends.(and then a guy would come try to talk to the lightest one) ::sigh::

        • mac

          You’re gonna have to forgive me, but who has time to seriously sit there and survey all the black men in an establishment, and who they have on their arm, and the skin color of the women they choose to approach?

          You guys need to speak for yourselves and your own experiences. I’ve never been at a loss for attention because of light skinned women or any other women. And definitely wasn’t my experience when I visited Hollywood.

          As I’ve said in my other posts in this thread, maybe it’s you!

          • SMHgurl24

            Agree! And if thats what that particular crowd does, why the hell do you put yourself in that situation and surround yourself with those people and then want to complain about it?! A GOOD man looks past what he sees at face value. If you want a good man, chances are your not going to find him in a club.

            • yeppers

              SMH I agree with both you and MAC but this treatment is done to younger women (WHO ARE INTO THE CLUB SCENE) just as much as older women who are not. I think I posted this instance another day, when I was younger and wen to a club in LA. The line was a block down the street almost. The bouncer came thru to the back of the line and literally pulled out ONLY LIGHT/WHITE/LATINO races and told them to come to the front and come in leaving anyone darker than a paperbag waiting in the cold outside. This disgusting treatment for something as shallow as skin color is why some of the men/women have the mentality they have about the scene in CALI. We arent LOOKING around at anyone, AND WHAT CAN WE CHANGE ABOUT OURSELVES IN INSTANCES LIKE THIS ONE??? OUR SKIN COLOR??? You want to preach “MAybe its you”, but when its BLATENT DISCRIMINATION, WHAT ABOUT US CAN BE CHANGED. Yes dont go to those establishments anymore, but its not always that easy to get away from this form of discrimination. I dont even go out too much anymore because of that happening, that was the LAST STRAW.

              • SMHgurl24

                No I don’t preach the “maybe its you” crap because I KNOW its not you part of the time. I’m talking about the people who go out, hide behind friends the whole night and then want to complain about it. There are plenty of people who are not worth a second look and have others hanging off their every word because they know how to talk to people. The only person you can rely on to change the mentality is YOU! The light skinned is beautiful is just another mentality that is deeply rooted in racism, the only difference is that people are turning against themselves. If you see that kind of stuff going on LEAVE! Don’t support those that are doing you harm and if its seen around the scene don’t hesitate to take that camera out and record whats going on. Then send it in to anybody willing to write about it. ask others to share their information about what they see. This kind of thing is never easy to do but it can be done and people WILL listen when theres enough light shined on the issue. We sadly live in a world where everyone wants to complain but not take steps to expose what we see. SMH

              • Senait Ashenafi

                Southern cali ( especially la) is a cesspool of superficial empty people. I Hope you get out of there and get back to the land of the living. NO way in hell i’d ever live there.

            • JJ truth

              Its the same at concerts, sporting events outings, performing arts events and other social engagements.

          • JJ truth

            No inky there are no men beating down your door I’m sure of it. Keep lying to yourself fool. You’ve lost touch with reality.

        • Lulu012

          dang, i just HOPE that was those womens’ first and last time going to a club like that if they were there to meet guys. The message is clear!

    • chanela

      honey YES! thank you! key word:CALIFORNIA. smh the only black men who ask me out are damn 50+ years old .SMH the younger black guys (im 23) treat me like a ghost. they don’t even look at me unless i’m in their way. let a random light skinned/mixed/non black woman (she doesn’t even have to be pretty) walk by and it’s like a damn million man march!

      • Chey

        lmbo!!! it’s a trip. I’m 20 and only the older men pay me any attention. The guys my age want any girl except for a black one, and won’t hesitate to rub it in your face either smh…

        • yeppers

          Grrrrrrrllll. you aint said nothin but a word!! And will FLAT OUT tell you too, no tea, no shade….. I respect they honesty tho. Makes them look shallow and stupid, but at least their honest.

        • Older men know attention-deprived,thirsty young women are easy-pickens.

          • Chey

            Welp…that was uncalled for.

            • Truth hurts!

              • Chey

                Lol you may be right, most older men probably do “know attention-deprived,thirsty young women are easy-pickens.” But I’m not one of em. Nice try though…

                • Nisha

                  Or maybe they are just men who appreciate black women…although it still is probably pretty creepy.

                • That wasn`t directed to you,it`s just how some situations play out.

                • That wasn`t directed to you,it`s just how some situations play out.

              • Nisha

                Why don’t you frequent another site with your negative a*&?? Calling yourself a blak martian…phone home then….smh

                • This blog is riddled with misandry against the black man,but I`M NEGATIVE?

                  • Anja1

                    how is it misandry when they are speaking about their experiences?

      • yeppers

        hahaha OMG GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!! I get hit on by GROSS OLD MEN all the time and like you said the good looking black men look RIGHT THRU ME like glass. I also LIVE in the gym, work corporately and am one of the nicest, sweetest women you could meet. IT doesnt make sense. Im not thirsty, im approachable, but I guess my downside is Im carmel colored. Chile cheese. I can not.

        • chanela

          LOL glad to know that im not the only one! it’s so frustrating! fineeeee specimens of black men too! (and they’re decent. not those gangbanging lil wayne clones) the ONLY time they talk to me is when they need to know where something is when i’m working. i’m the same way. i work out,i treat the man i’m with like a damn KING,i’m very nice (in fact TOO nice. everybody says that i’m too nice to people) but do they care? NOPE! they go straight to the ratchet chicks who look stank. wearing a du rag in the middle of the day and some pajama pants and a dirty kool aid stained shirt(but at least she’s light skinned). but the well put together cocoa colored sweetypie who cooks 5 course meals for her man?IGNORED who is always behind them? some “yellow” chick or a non black girl. ugh!

        • chanela

          i’m about to make a youtube video about the old men though. i want to know what it is about me that attracts old men! i don’t understand!!! it’s old men and mentally retarded men that normally try to get with me. i don’t understand it.

      • mac

        just curious, you assume you don’t get attention solely because you’re dark skinned. Why?