“Fitz & Liv Are Never Going To Be Over” Shonda Rhimes Talks About What’s Next For “Scandal”

February 8, 2013  |  

Source: ABC

If you didn’t see last night’s episode of “Scandal,” you need to stop reading now. There are tons of spoilers ahead.

*Waves goodbye.*

As for the rest of you, whew, chile! Wasn’t it a doozy?! Shonda and her co-writers pulled out all the stops. There’s a reason ABC referred to this episode as “The GameChanger.” It really shook some things up and revealed things about certain characters I would have never seen coming. Fitz, the golden boy is out here killing folks. Cyrus was literally seconds away from killing his husband and father of their child. Abby had to forsake her relationship with David for Olivia Pope and Associates and Quinn was all ready to get her hands dirty, hiring Huck to kill Hollis Doyle. It was a lot. Nobody’s hands are clean anymore, with the exception of David…for now.

Because last night’s episode and the series in general are just too good not to discuss, The Hollywood Reporter caught up with the show’s creator, Shona Rhimes to talk about what last night’s episodes might mean for the characters in the future. Here are a couple of the highlights. 

On Fitz killing Verna

THR: How will Fitz deal with the guilt of his role in Verna’s death? Will it eat away at him?

Rhimes: The very act of illegally making him president undoes the things they were all making him president for — thinking Fitz is good, he’s better than everybody else, he most deserves to be president because he’s pure and he believes it and he’s the real deal. Olivia’s betrayal and her choosing to believe that he couldn’t do it on his own and fixing the election for him is basically her proving to him that he is in fact everything his father ever said he was. It’s every fear he ever had.

THR: How will Fitz’s role in Verna’s death change his moral compass?

Rhimes: I don’t believe that he threw his morals out the window and is now just a bad guy. He did a terrible thing and now he thinks that he’s a terrible person who doesn’t deserve anything more than Mellie. He feels very embittered about what’s happened to him and he’s probably going to struggle to be possibly even a better president than he was before.

The Love Triangle

THR: How will Fitz and Mellie work together going forward?

Rhimes: Her position is tenuous at best. I don’t think that these two people are meant for one another. She’s struggling for her position in his world and he may have said, “It’s you and me,” but I don’t know that he fully either understands what that’s going to mean or if he even knows how to do that with her.

THR: What’s Fitz and Olivia’s relationship like now that he’s dismissed her?

Rhimes: They have a very steamy and painful thing. Obviously, Fitz and Liv are never going to be over. I don’t think that “over” is a word that’s in their vocabulary. Has it morphed into something else? Yes.

What about Columbus? 

THR: Harrison (Columbus Short) hasn’t had a central story-line in the first half. What does he have coming?

Rhimes: I consider Harrison to be the gun on the wall that we haven’t fired on purpose. The story of Harrison and his past — he used to work for Adnan Salif and then he went to jail — that thing that’s going to unfold, that’s a giant story that we want to unpack when it suits us most. We’ve been holding onto it. We will be getting glimpses and hints as to what’s to come.

Well, well well. Interesante.

A couple of things though: I, for one am willing to argue that yeah Fitz threw his morals out the window when he removed Verna’s oxygen mask and watched her struggle in her last moments in life… but that’s just me.

And while I know it would be terrible for the show for Fitz and Olivia to end their relationship, a large part of me just wishes they would. It’s just way to messy. Plus, the way he played her was completely unacceptable. She should at least cuss him out one good time before the inevitably get back together.

And lastly, I’m sooo ready to know about Columbus Short’s story. On the occasions that he does get to speak, he’s always going in, so it’ll be interesting to learn why he’s so ride-or-die for Olivia Pope.

And lastly, can we please get some more back story on Cyrus?! Homeboy really flipped last night. I wonder if James will ever find out his husband almost had him offed.

What predictions do you have about “Scandal”? Do you want to see Olivia and Fitz together?

Read the rest of her interview and learn more about what’s coming up next for the characters at The Hollywood Reporter. 

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  • VegasNevada

    I can’t hang with Scandal if they ever made Fitz and Liv really break off their relationship. They have amazing chemistry and there’s no other show or movie right now that is showing the actors with that kind of “real” feel to them. The relationship has to endure in order for me to endure. Not to say they can’t mix it up. I would love to see Fitz being jealous or the look on his face seeing Olivia with another man, even if she’s not in a serious relationship with the guy. It would be fun to see Fitz’s face and reaction to Olivia just smiling and talking to another man.

    As for him being angry and speaking to “saint” (not) Olivia the way he did, I don’t fault him. It wouldn’t be a believable show if he just patted her on her back and gave her a kiss and told her, great! He loves her, but he is hurt. He is angry. Think about it, he has been lied to for a long time by someone he trusted most. He will get over it, because he sincerely loves this woman. Just give him some time.

    I see some people are talking about Fitz’s morals. He is a man. He is a president, not a preacher. He tries. He is sincere. And Fitz did not have any intention of ever harming anyone. He was the victim of a crime, himself. As for his wife, “saint” (not) Mellie. She stepped out on Fitz with the Twinkle Toes on Parade man, Paul Mosely a/k/a Brock (?the mouth) Stone. At that time, Fitz had not engaged on any level with Olivia.

    Let’s cut Fitz a break and give him some time to heel. He loves Olivia.

  • Suchalady

    But Fitz threw morals out the window when he had an affair…lol

  • autumnbreeze

    Am I the only one who noticed the way Fitz kissed Mellie???? He didn’t kiss her the way that he kisses Olivia. With Olivia, there is passion and love. With Mellie, hmmm….that’s not going to last. Sorry Mellie


      I noticed that too. Fitz kissed Liv with so much love. Their kisses were always passionate, loving, deep and sensuous. His kiss with Mellie was like a peck on the cheek…like a kid stealing a kiss from his girl crush at school…closed lips….no passion, etc…..more like it was his husbandly duty in a loveless marriage/partnership. Fitz and Mellie will fizzle fast, I hope! TEAM FITZ AND LIV!

  • Dichu eba realy lub mehSteebie

    Woo! That episode was craaazy! I was concentrating hard while mincing on my popcorn. But what about the set of twins the president and his wife supposedly have? Where are they and why don’t they talk about them? And yes, I am so ready for Columbus short story. We have heard everyone else’s but his

  • Just saying!!

    I want Fitz and Liv to definitely end it after watching last nights episode. I mean I knew soon as she turned the senator down that Fitz was going to start acting funny cuz that’s how life is. He doesn’t deserve her. She gave up everything and caved in and then he says “awww girl I was high don’t be believing me”. Pshhh please! She gave up the opportunity to be wifed up to instead be some side chick. Not cute!!

    • qv

      I agree. She can’t be his permanent sidepiece without degrading herself. She would be no better than your average jumpoff.

  • Ashe

    Last night’s episode truly was a game changer. Fitz was the naive golden boy, but now he is just as scandalous as everybody else. I can’t wait to see what’s gonna happen next!

    • DianaDT

      I dare say that he already was…it’s just that now that he know’s the facade has been revealed…it’s a game changer for him now….

  • Tracey

    I am totally disappointed in last night’s episode…….Do I want to see Olivia and Fitz tongether….MOST DEFINITELY!!!!!!!!

  • emjay

    Harrison and Olivia should be together because he rocks with her SOOOO HARD. Judge Cancer was so wrong on so many levels but I loved when she read Fitz right before she died. And Miss Cyrus is just messy and so is his husband (but I love them lol). Last night’s story definitely surprised me and caught me off guard

    • v

      I really don’t think this show will survive if they end the Fitz/Olivia relationship. So many fans are completely invested in it. The problem is that every storyline must come to an end. Will fans still watch when she falls for another man?

      • Guest360

        I don’t think Fitz and Olivia will ever end even if Olivia falls in love with or dates someone else. Fitz is still married and went “back” to his wife yesterday and I don’t see anyone jumping off the Olitz train just yet. Shonda herself has stated that Olivia and Fitz are never going to be over. So I’m not worried. It wouldn’t be a drama if it wasn’t messy lol

        • VegasNevada

          I can see Liv maybe date someone, but I do not think she will love anyone but Fitz. Fitz is even married and he doesn’t love anyone but Olivia. They are going to have to wait for each other, whatever that means. Maybe not now, but I do see an Olitz wedding. Too much love, not to eventually wind up having one.

          • Guest360

            Exactly. I definitely see them getting together by the end of the series. We just have to wait until that happens lol

    • VegasNevada

      Not feeling Harrison and Olivia. That show wouldn’t last long with that relationship. There’s nothing there. I mean, I cannot feel their relationship through the screen.

  • MiaC

    Verna only had like 7 breaths left anyway so did he REALLY kill her? Lol

    • Ashe

      LOL, yeah I thought that too!

    • I was thinking the same thing. I don’t know if I got de-sensitized (sp.) to violene but I felt like he was somehow getting payback or trying to kill him.

    • Dichu eba realy lub mehSteebie

      Ahaha! That old buzzard was about to croak anyway.

    • LMAO

    • VegasNevada

      It’s television, so yeah, it’ll work.

  • Guest360

    Last night’s episode really was top notch. SOOOOO much happened in that hour that I was literally flipping out the entire time lol. And yeah…he did kinda throw his morals out of the window by killing Verna but am I the only one who doesn’t care? Lol. I can’t wait for next week to see how everyone is dealing with the fall out of this episode. It was a #Gamechanger for sure

    • Charla

      Right! Verna did try to kill him first. Lol

      • Guest360

        I’m saying! He only returned the favor lol