Sounds Familiar: “Racist” Asian Woman Refuses To Date Asian Men

September 21st, 2012 - By madamenoire

From Alternet.org

On Friday, xoJane, the irreverent women’s blog founded by Jane Pratt, posted the latest in its “It Happened to Me” series, first-person confessionals on topics that are sometimes whimsical (“My Toilet Exploded. Again.”), sometimes dark (“This is the First Time I’ve Written About My Rape, and I’m Doing it For You, Todd Akin”), sometimes awkward (“I Tried to Have Sex With My Gay Best Friend”), but nearly always shocking. Shock is what xoJane does best — it is, after all, the publication whose former beauty editor, Cat Marnell, wrote an essay about using Plan B as her preferred form of contraception, and posted regularly about her spiraling drug addiction until the site fired her for refusing rehab.

Shock draws attention. Shock generates pageviews. And this installment, by freelance writer Jenny An, seems poised to blow all of its predecessors out of the water. It’s been tweeted and Facebooked thousands of times and is now the most commented-on “It Happened to Me” story ever. It may yet end up as the most discussed piece in xoJane history; the editors are savvy — they’ve since given the story prime positioning as the main feature on the site’s home page. Which seems odd, given that the story is seemingly about as insider-y an inside-baseball piece as you might possibly imagine: Titled “I’m an Asian Woman and I Refuse to Date an Asian Man,” it’s an extended and somewhat bizarre diatribe in which An outlines the reasons why she finds dating someone of her own race to be anathema, and chooses to date white men instead.

“It has nothing to do with skin color,” the subtitle says. “It has everything to do with patriarchy.” An then goes on to write that she’s “one of those [Asian girls] that date lots and lots of (mostly, but not always) white guys. Why? It’s simple: I’m a racist.”

Now, to proudly out yourself as a “racist” in the second line of a first-person confessional takes a nearly terminal excess of chutzpah, blissful ignorance or both. It also serves as a smoking gun that something was up in the piece’s narrative — that maybe it shouldn’t be taken entirely at face value. Especially when An goes on to state bluntly that her “pale, white-bread boyfriend jokes that I’m one of the whitest people he’s ever met”; that “Dating white men means acceptance into American culture. White culture”; that she’s “drinking the same Kool-Aid as everyone else [of] white supremacy. The idea that white is still tops, SAT scores, corporate jobs and fancy degrees be damned” — all while simultaneously acknowledging that her “thinking is Fawked up.”

For me at least, it triggered the same instinctive reaction I had when I first encountered the now-infamous Wall Street Journal book excerpt, “Why Chinese Mothers Are Superior,” by Yale law professor and mother of two Amy Chua, now better known by the sobriquet Tiger Mom: These are ideas and phrases that have been consciously engineered and carefully chosen to generate maximum backlash.

Which is why, when I posted An’s piece to my Facebook circle for comment, I did so with the following message: “Oh, boy. Girlfriend is so totally trolling. But…thoughts? And by thoughts, I mean thoughts that aren’t a long string of expletives. Thank you.”

Trolling is the online term for — we’ll let Wikipedia chime in here — posting “inflammatory, extraneous or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response.”

Trolling is often done merely to taunt or prank (especially as a kind of hazing to newcomers to an online community). With the rise of the clicks-for-cash business model in digital media, however, trolls have found a new place in the Internet ecosystem: As highly effective breadwinners for the sites in which they nest.

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  • Wu

    The reason why it’s not absurd to take An at face value is because there are a lot of Asian women (and a lot of Asian men too) who actually do think this way. She’s merely echoing what is said in many informal circles and lower level comment board that you will find on the Internet. Hence, it’s not obvious at all that she’s “yanking readers’ chains.” It seems believable because it matches up with our overwhelming experience in the real world and what we’ve heard in other more informal settings.

    Is she trying to say that what she wrote is so absurd that no one could possibly believe it, AND that it’s a serious and widespread social problem that hasn’t been adequately confronted? If it’s the latter, then it’s not hard to believe that yes, someone like her could mean what she wrote, no matter how absurd it sounds to us. Because to us, racism always sounds absurd.

    At some level though, intention doesn’t matter. Racism is racism, and if you write racist things, then you can’t expect people to ‘see’ that you’re just joking. Some people will take it seriously, and when that happens, then you’ve just reinforced and perpetuated racism. I wish I could say I’m glad that An, her white editor and xoJane have profited off perpetuating racism against people like me, and made life even harder for people like me, but I’m not.

  • D

    Asians are the most white-loving people EVER. It’s not even specifically about Asian women anymore, it’s about Asian culture as a whole. Look at how Asians submit to the white culture: they adopt Western names so much more readily than ANY OTHER MINORITY GROUP (even in Asia, places like Hong Kong, almost everyone has an English name) and no this isn’t just for the convenience of people around them to be able to pronounce their name properly. Look at all the other races, they all keep their ethnic names (Africans, Indians, Pakistanis, you name it) so why don’t Asians keep use their ethnic names too and let everyone else learn how to pronounce them? It’s clearly more than that. They want to be like the whites. A HUGE proportion of Asians use white names (Jessica, James, Stephanie, John etc)…. it’s really shocking. You don’t see any other race do it nearly as much. Also, look at how Asia simply worships anything that comes from the West (brands like Louis Vuitton, Apple, etc). Asians are the #1 consumers of European luxury brands and other Western brands. And look how white people are treated like gods and goddesses when they visit Asia! Ask any white person who has travelled there. They’ll tell you Asians practically bow at their feet. Oh and let’s not forget how Asian parents highly frown upon their kids marrying anyone who isn’t Asian BUT whites are the exception (parents say it’s ok to marry white but some even go to the extreme to say to their daughters “oh ya marry white guy so that you’ll have beautiful kids”). It’s Asian culture that drives Asian women to be ashamed of their heritage and to worship the white man. I’m not saying all Asian women are self-haters like Janexo but ALOT of them exhibit this white-loving mentality so much more than women of any other race because of the way Asian culture is. It’s not entirely their fault, it’s how they were raised to believe white is superior to any other race, even their own.

  • nikki ann

    sorry i dont get whats so special abt white men…ive tries inerracial dating and its just not for me…lol

    • nikki ann

      tried*

    • chanela

      how come when people say “interracial dating” (yuck i hate that word, we are all one race) they only think of black and white? there are more than just white men. i don’t really like white men too much myself.hispanic,italian,samoan,hawaiian,and asian men are more of what i like (well black men too!). white men are just so… disconnected. at least with non white men they know what it’s like to not be white and what we have to go through as minorities also tons of other things.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D2JU54QTMQJO2IGAMOE4HEE5KA Big BakedApple

    Too many straight women worried about what other women like and don’t like. The self-hate charge is bogus too.

  • get real

    Asians chicks are leaving the smallest for the second smallest. LLLLLLLOOOOOOLLLLLL. Oh wait… blk chicks are following suit..

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/thesapphireempress96?feature=results_main A.J.

    Well, I do see a lot of Asian girls with white men, so it’s not like she isn’t talking about an existing phenomenon. I get that the article was supposed to provoke people (it’s accomplishing its goal), and it does bring up an important issue. There’s a fine line between preference and having other, more complex reasons for people’s dating choices, especially when they exclusively date outside of their race/ethnic group. Ultimately, it’s an individual’s choice. But I feel that even if someone prefers a certain type or group, they shouldn’t disparage the group that they’re not attracted to. If you like blondes, don’t knock redheads, etc. And this should go for everyone.

  • Candice

    I believe asian people suffer from the worst self hate. Asian women and asian men refuse to date each other. Asian men have a dislike for asian women but because white women are not into asian men, asian men really have no choice when it comes to dating. White men do not have a fetish for asian women as people think. The way asian women make white men feel is the reason why white men date them. Asian women make them feel like gods, asian women worship them simply because they are white.

    • Candice

      Oh and white women are not feeling asian women. White women have noticed the overwhelming amount of asian women that aggressively pursue white men and white women are pissed.

    • zdrav

      Quite right. There is a lot racial insecurity and self-hate in both Asian men and women. The difference is that the women are given more opportunities to act upon those ugly feelings. But I’ve known plenty of Asian guys who talk about how they prefer white girls and proceed to only date them.

      It’s an issue that needs to be addressed and remedied by my generation.

  • reese

    I think this is why we are starting to see alot of Asian men dating outside the race now. It used to be something rare and they are broadening their horizons now. But we will never know who dates who for what. We do know that Asian women date outside of the race higher than anyone at 48% and over 90% of those marriages are with white men.

    • zdrav

      U.S.-born Asian men also outmarry at around 40%, and almost all of those marriages are to white women.

      But U.S.-born Asian-Americans only make up about 25% of the total Asian-American population. And while foreign-born Asian women are almost as likely as U.S.-born Asian women to outmarry, foreign-born Asian men are 4x LESS likely to outmarry than U.S.-born Asian men.

      That’s where the disparity widens greatly.

      Source: Pew Reports on Interracial Marriage

  • KamJos

    You guys jealous of xojane’s growing popularity on Clutch or something? Jealousy in the online world is unbecoming. Let your content speak for itself.

    As far as the topic. I have heard Asian women say pretty bluntly that they would never date an Asian man. They have no fear of being called racist and no shame in saying they would not consider marrying someone of their own race. It might sound shocking to us, but this apparently is a very common belief among many Asian women. XOJane is just putting out there what’s there.

    • roo08

      xojane is the largest pow-wow of self-absorbed women on the internet. I’m astounded that most of them are grown women. Just astounded…

      • KamJos

        I’m a grad student at a PWI. I’m not astounded lol.

  • Just Peachy!

    @e51888929a672705b0f700b4a1792304:disqus. Say that again. I totally agree, when you can look in the mirror and see something wrong with being someone that is like you or your parents and be repulsed by it????? To me that says you don’t think of yourself or your culture as worthy enough and that’s a biggie in my book; self hate much?

  • pfft

    May not like what she says but at least she real with herself and not hiding her bigotry and calling it “preference” like so many do.

    • Kay

      It is preference! Not bigotry. It’s the same as a women preferring her man to be fit, or tall, or have short hair. Some women prefer a certain type of man and that extends to race.

      • get real

        A woman should prefer any man that has the character or personality that she is looking for. That’s why I don’t understand the “preference” talk. That’s just an excuse to not date people who look like you.

        • Kay

          . CHILE PLEASE! You know there certain things you do like and dont like about a man. And if “preferenc” gets your panties in a buch. How bout attraction. Your attracted to what your attracted to. A black women that only dates black men is seen as Normal and “keeping hope for black love alive” but if that same black women were to only date white men, she’s Sally Hemings. It’s BS and your know it.

          • reese

            I disagree with you on this. And I am married ir. A preference means you prefer something. If they are saying they won’t date someone because of their race that goes beyond a preference in my opinion.

            • get real

              Thank you.

          • get real

            So you don’t think that it’s pure insanity to not date a man or woman that looks like you? How inthe buck can you not prefer yourself??? So if a blk woman meets a good looking blk man that is a man of means, has the character, personality that your looking for. Has 1 to no kids and is established, you don’t date him because your “prefer’ a white dude or whoever? If so then something major is going on in your head sister girl.

            • Kay

              As ive stated before , it’s a matter of attraction. You like what you like. It has nithing to do with whether that person “looks like you” or not. That’s ridicoulous

              • get real

                You didn’t even answer my comment. Answer my comment about the black dude scenario. See you couldn’t even address it because you have utter disdain for blk men. Ok I get it your just one of these black chicks that’s running up behind white dudes begging for a chance. Sick mentality that you and other black folks have. Whites are not saviors no matter what your white supremacy loving behind tells you.

                • Kay

                  LOL. I’m not running behind white men.. I’m just not blind to the fact that they date outside their race so why shouldnt I. I don’t think the white race is superior.. And as for your scenario.. If I don’t find him compatible then no.I see that no only can you not spell, you are also ignorant so I’m not about to bicker with you.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JAI4SRENU2A5WKRTELXXYJPDSI Kayla

        any man of any race can be fit and tall. Excluding a whole race, whether it’s yours or another, only because they are of that race, is the problem.

      • zdrav

        Having a preference for a certain trait usually doesn’t mean completely refusing to consider anybody who doesn’t possess that trait.

        Most people who have preferences are pretty flexible if an otherwise attractive person comes along.

        Some Asian women refuse to consider an Asian man, even if he’s tall, handsome, kind, and a feminist to boot. That’s not a preference; that’s just straight-up racism.

  • Kay

    I feel it’s a matter of preference, your attracted to what your attracted to..*kanye shrug*

  • dbatt001

    ughh tired of this

    • Mermaid

      Me too!

  • Cleo

    Yeah this is actually very common, Asian women have the highest percentage if dating outside their race.

    • zdrav

      American-born Asian men outmarry at very high rates as well, ranging from 30-40%. However, most Asian-Americans are foreign-born.

      This is mainly an issue of culture. However, we in the Asian-American community have a lot of unresolved issues of race and identity.

      • Eva Gelion

        But Asian men who marry outside their race aren’t predisposed to any one race and not to the exclusion of another, whereas Asian woman who marry outside their race, are almost exclusively predisposed to marry white men.

  • ChocoballJoe

    Why should I even care who this woman is sharing her bed with? If it’s not me, then it has nothing to do with me.

  • kickash

    i had an asian friend who didn’t want to date asian guys cause she was scared one of them could be related to her. Yea, seriously…

    • TRUTH IS

      Will their poplulation being in the zillions?!? Spare her and her BS

    • get real

      Lmao… Literally.

    • ieshapatterson

      lol well she had probems…BIG time.

    • KamJos

      Yeah I’ve heard them say they won’t date Asian guys because they look like their relatives, which is a complete farce because that doesn’t seem to be a big problem for Asians in Asia. Only one Asian person admitted they were so whitewashed they thought all Asians looked alike.

    • zdrav

      It’s just grasping at any old straw to justify their Third World Mentality and white worship.

      One self-hater will say that she’s not attracted to Asians because she grew up around too many of them and they’re too familiar (like brothers). Only white guys for her!

      Then another self-hater will say that she’s not attracted to Asians because she grew up around too FEW of them and she’s not used to seeing Asians as love interests. Only white guys for her!

      What a coinky-dink. In a society run by white guys, everything seems to work out so well for them!

  • TRUTH IS

    I read a while back that Asian women are the biggest gold diggers ever….hmmm…..there’s something about (some) asian women that rob me the wrong way…..

  • get real

    I’m all for interracial dating but when u refuse to date people that look like u makes u an ignorant fool. Blk women refusing to date blk men (and vice versa) equal dam fools. White women refusing to date white men (and vice versa) equals dam fools. Asian men that refuse to date other asians (and vice versa) equal dam fools. Hispanics same thing. Morons like these its all about fetish. And u black folks here who refuse to date each other deep down u know I’m telling the truth.

    • bebe

      So hypothetically, if you were to see an interracial couple walk down the street, would you assume that they hate their race? Otherwise how would you know if said person refuses to date within their race or not? Couldn’t it just be a matter of attraction across “colour” lines?

      • Kay

        Preach

      • reese

        No, she is talking about people who say they refuse to date than own race the subject of the article.

    • Africanpride

      Exactly. When people DELIBERATELY go outside of their race, it’s beyond preference now it’s some inner issue. I’m all about falling in love with whoever you are compatible with which sometimes goes beyond skin color. However, many also do it out of ignorance. Some of my Asian friends, complain about their men being short, nerdy and too Asian. And, many find white men attractive because white features is also seen as superior, so I guess their children won’t be too Asian. Even though, Asians have one of the strongest features ever, so it will still be dominant maybe not as strong. Same goes for black folks, do it for status, more acceptance by the society because interracial and mixed race is seen as better. Having coarse hair is too black, and might lower your opportunities(according to the society, not necessarily true). People need to be real with themselves, majority know it’s not just preference it’s bcos they think going outside to another race is better opportunities, attention for them. Taye Diggs, once mentioned how it never saw dark skin as been attractive, so it’s no surprise who his married to. Many black folks fall into that category. It’s a small percentage that actually do it out of just true love, where they fell in love but happens to be with another race. Many go out looking for a specific look, race then fall in love. Whites who also go outside, do it out of “everybody wants us” and looking exotic is becoming more popular as opposed to the pale skin, bland look.

    • wepo1

      Truth is, only black women openly bash their men and hate black patriarchy!

      A black woman has no problem with the white man ruling over her so that is why they are so vocal about hating black men!

      Black women who date or don’t date white men act different around white men than they do around black men!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000709864513 Michelle Kirkwood

        @wepo1:disqus

        Oh,please—you don;t know what the hell you’re talking about—you make it sound like sisters don’t have a damn thought in their heads when it comes to making decisions about being in interracial relationships. I am tired of idiots like you making ignorant, stupid and insulting assumptions about black women. FYI, if you check Latino/white/Asian blogs or books written by Latino/white/Asian women, you’ll find that they have a lot of issues with Latinos/white/Asian men,and they bash them to some extent,too. It’s not all picture-perfect sweetness and light with them either. So,hell,no,it’s not just sisters having problems with brothers because of issues that are particular and unique to us, it goes across the board.

        • wepo1

          Other races of women are loyal to their men even if they don’t date them they will never create hundreds of blogs and magazine articles bashing their men or letting others know why they don’t like their men!

          Black women are disloyal to their race and men!

          When black men started dating other races they never did it to hurt black women and never said bad things about black women!

          Black women are vindictive in everything they do!
          Black women cannot just go and date other races of men, they must bash black men first and use issue every race of women have with men to specifically justify them not dating black men!

          Black women are bitter and they want say they are loyal to black men but after the 60’s the black woman became the black man’s number 1 enemy!
          She chose feminism over women’s morals, the black family, and black men!

          More black men d!e or go to jail over a black woman’s lie and vindictiveness than the drug war!

          • Adrina

            Not all black women, first of all….you sound like you’ve been really hurt by a vindictive black woman or been publicly bashed by one. I mean, really..do you think all black women are this way?

            Furthermore, if you think that only black women are evil….YOU KNOW NOTIHING ABOUT WOMEN….because white men go to jail over a white woman’s vindictiveness (and other races).

            And as far as “Black women are disloyal to their race and men!”
            What race has more single mothers because black men walk out on their families? Blacks
            What race is filling our prisons due to that dude who wants to be a “boss” in the drug game, or stealing, murder & domestic violence? Black men!

            You should let go of the bitterness towards black women sweetie and check your facts.
            ….And yes, there are black men who bash black women BECAUSE YOU ARE DOING IT NOW!…..

            • wepo1

              Wow, no wonder the white man easily uses the black man’s own women against him because you are dumb and naive!

              “What race has more single mothers because black men walk out on their families? Blacks
              What race is filling our prisons due to that dude who wants to be a “boss” in the drug game, or stealing, murder & domestic violence? Black men!”

              Going in!
              1st of all it is a women’s moral responsibility as a woman to get married before allowing unqualified men to dump all up in them raw! Black women like you want to make men fathers before they have made you wives! Immoral black women like you think you can turn baby daddies into fathers, and then blame the men for your lack of accountability as women and mother! God, didn’t give women all that pain during childbirth just to have black women have no standards or values when making the decision to choose good men to procreate with! If black women kept their legs closed until marriage there wouldn’t be so many black baby mamas out here!

              Far as black men in jail goes, those are the men raised by black baby mamas!

              The white man tells the black women she can do whatever she wants as a “strong black woman”! So, she decides when she wants to have babies without being married or any consent from a black man! Then when the nugga she had babies by without a commitment is pushed out her life by court systems and the black women’s combativeness you have a bastard child left in the world with no parenting because the white man tells black women child support checks are better than parenting! Then the world is left with an unsupervised bastard child on his way to prison, because that is what the government intended!

              • Jenna

                President Barack Obama told black men to take care of their kids in his father’s day speech!!!!!!!!!!!! Get the hell out of here dude, you got DISSED by the president!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                • wepo1

                  Of course the president of the feminist party(Democrats) will put all the blame on black men, because his voting base is black women!

                  Democrats never represented black men even though the civil rights movement was our movement black men have not gain anything from it!

                  Black women aline their selves with white feminist so they get the welfare, abortion, and the victim card! Black women do not represent the black race so feminist give them petty government programs to pacify them!

          • Jenna

            So you mean to tell me it’s the black woman’s fault that their is 800,000 black men in jail??? Get the hell out of here!!!!!!!!!!!!

            • wepo1

              The majority of black men in prison come from the homes of unwed black baby mamas so yes it is the fault of black women because they think having a baby out of wedlock is a commitment form a man! Bw think welfare and child support checks equals parenting, because they see the white woman do it, but white society has a safety net for bastard white children so they don’t become the majority in prison!

      • Africanpride

        Geez, here you come again with your delusional, repetitive comments. Don’t you ever get tired of writing the same gibberish? Black women openly bash their men? You must live on another planet. Black men started dating outside first, showing off their non black women. It’s just up until recent black women really started dating outside. Guess what, Black men were the FIRST to openly bash black women about, this is why I don’t date black women, oh bad attitude, their nappy(a word that I hate) hair, prefer lighter skin, and this done in front of their non black women too. You guys constantly diss dark skin women. And, some non black women even diss black women in front of you guys and you guys play along. As much as I don’t think interracial is the solution, but there are some non black men who admire, appreciate, like the very same things some black men don’t like. Dark skin, and kinky hair. Black men have problem with sistas dating non black men but many are busy chasing after non black women. Time for some self esteem 101.

        • wepo1

          Black men love the fact that black women are dating outside the race because when those relationships fail it proves the argument about black women being difficult, belligerent, combative, insensitive, controlling,and immoral!

          Black men never bashed black women when we started dating other races! Black women started calling black men names like weak and sellout when they saw black men dating other races of women!

          Black women for some reason think they are hurting black men when they date other races, but black men don’t care we just want black women to do it without bashing us!

          • get real

            No need for a serious reply…..

          • Jenna

            Didn’t Heidi Klum CHEAT on Seal with her white bodyguard??? Black men interracial relationships/marriages fail faster!!! Their is already statistics to prove this!

    • FromUR2UB

      I agree. Same goes for people who won’t date people in their age group. There’s something really wrong with the person who rejects his own traits.

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