Christelyn Karazin Explains the Message Behind Her Book “Swirling”

This is Cray

Christelyn asks men to take off their condoms. Why is this being deleted?

Truly True

She writes that herself in her blog, yet wants to tell black women to NWNW?

LOL hot mess.

Its not the interracial relationships we dislike its the Christelyn Clown
kripee

Is this true? OMG, that is really gross. SMDH. I agree, I think as woman, she may not be the best adviser on these matters.

This is Cray

Christelyn is a four letter word. It starts with C and ends with OON

I have no problem with interracial relationships at all (I am in one) but 1. Why is Christelyn so butthurt by people who don’t share her opinion? Have you tried commenting at her blog? if you leave a single comment not completely in line with these IR Nazis you will be deleted and banned. They, mainly Christelyn, wants everyone to love her yet she doesn’t even allow differing viewpoints on her blog. So I get it, people should respect her unique opinions but she won’t respect any one else’s…..hmmm sounds legit to me I guess. Its just a clusterfug of old bat ish crazy women patting each other on the back

2. I don’t trust THIS woman trying desperately to peddle her book for SEVERAL reasons! First of all, any one remember her No Wedding No Womb campaign? Well, Christelyn isn’t exactly your average BW with OOW children. She got knocked up IN COLLEGE yall. Not at home, not in an underpriveleged neighborhood. She got knocked up in college and ADMITS on her blog that she asks men to have sex without condoms. SHE ASKS. Not the men….that should tell you all you need to know about her right there.

What kind of example is she for any woman? How dare she assume the right to represent or preach to black women about anything?

She’s just trying to make money. No one needs her books and she is not the Harriet Tubman of interracial dating. There are black women doing it and doing it MUCH BETTER than Christelyn has. Christelyn is an irresponsible person who got knocked up outside of married while she was SUPPOSE to be studying and then tried to get her “rainbeau” to take off his condom before they were married. What kind of person is this?

I know that info may be too personal, but she put this mess in her blog, not I. She’s really one of those stereotype fulfilling BW that we all need to shove back into her straightjacket and pretend she doesn’t exist.

I think a lot people are annoyed with her, not interracial relationships themselves. Christelyn is an idiotic poster child for a sector of black woman (albeit a small sector) who are very insecure, white worshiping….and SINGLE! Most of her deeply devoted followers admit that they have never even dated a mystical white man creature…..so they really are gullible and just vulnerable.

Christelyn knows that the majority of her followers are single and she dangles her unlikely marriage to a white male over their foreheads like a bone in front of thirsty dogs. They look up to her like she has some special “how to get a white man” secrets that they can learn if they just purchase her book and what not.

This lady is crazy and needs to accept that not everyone is going to agree with her like her slaves over at her blog.

S.L

“he got knocked up IN COLLEGE yall. Not at home, not in an
underpriveleged neighborhood. She got knocked up in college and ADMITS
on her blog that she asks men to have sex without condoms. SHE ASKS. Not
the men….that should tell you all you need to know about her right
there.”

And this proves that the reason why the OOW Rate is so high among black women is because BLACK WOMEN CHOOSE NOT TO USE AND ENFORCE PROTECTION. When I read the post where Christeyln admitted that she asked her finance to not use a condom prior to them getting married , I was like huh , what but aren’t you the same one promoting no wedding no womb and yet she wanted to take a chance at having unprotected sex knowing that she could have got pregnant before the wedding ?!!

How long is going to take black women to understand that if you have unprotected sex the more chances you have of getting pregnant. When will women learn.

My issue with Christeyln has nothing to do with IR. I wish every couple the best regardless of who they are with , I’ve also dating outside of my race also in case folks are wondering . My issue with Christeyln is that she doesn’t hold black women accountable for their OWN ACTIONS and blames everything on BM and on the none existing black community that she claims doesn’t exist.
- Hola
  
  Well, as a BW I will say that it takes TWO to make a baby. No one is going to get away with shoving all the blame on another party.

jackieOsassin

i agree. love does not have a color. i applaud the author.

http://twitter.com/Zabeth8 MEH

So ignorant.

http://www.facebook.com/christelyn Christelyn Russell-Karazin

I normally do not do so, but I engaged in an experient in the comments section of this post strategically, as when I always engage in these conversations, to prove a point. The men who have come on to attack, demean, say that I married a white man because I am ugly and no black man would love me, have displayed an example of what I mean in the video about choosing character above color. A man (or men) who would continuously stalk a blog and bully a woman who has done nothing to them personally is an example of a clear lack of character. Ladies, I would recommend you stay away from any man of any color who displays these pathological behaviors. Regardless of what race these men are, they have ladies, definitively and unequivically displayed a lack of character. And to the men who can’t help but always fall into this trap, thank you for continuing to prove yourselves as predictable as ever.

In All Honesty

An “experiment”? As biased as you are? Ok, but I think it’s funny how this became an “experiment” after you started catching feelings. I, nor does anyone else in this comments section, have a “lack of character” JUST because we see through you. No offense but the world doesn’t revolve around “Christelyn”. You say I “lack character” [as this was meant to include me] but I didn’t call you any names. I didn’t call you “damaged beyond repair” or a “doormat”. THAT lacks character and THAT is the language that goes unchecked by you everyday on YOUR blog. I called what you do straight down the middle. Don’t take it personally. If you want to play victim, then don’t do it with me. You, Christelyn Karazin, deserve no sympathy whatsoever from BM and BW who have enough problems already to deal with your brand of buffoonery.
- AZWhiteGuy
  
  Wow, you are really trying hard to prove her point, aren’t you?
  - In All Honesty
    
    Oh, look. A White guy. Did you come to teach me about “character over color”, too? Because judging from both of our usernames alone, I’m not the one letting “color” define myself. So please, enlighten me. Tell me how I prove her point.
    - Christelyn the Clown
      
      Don’t sweat its Christelyn’s husband. He’ll get spanked if he doesn’t leave at least one comment for her before bed time.
      
      It’s better than the 89 year old white man on Christelyn’s blog that tells black women AND I QUOTE: “black women’s *sses bounce so sensuously” AND
      
      “This mixed girl had such excellent manners, probably because her mother is white”
      
      You can find this for yourselves, Christelyn makes it too easy, I don’t even have to make this stuff up.
      
      The male on her blog’s name is FriendsofJay
      - In All Honesty
        
        LOL! If that’s REALLY her husband then I have so many questions.
        
        “It’s better than the 89 year old white man on Christelyn’s blog that
        tells black women AND I QUOTE: ‘black women’s *sses bounce so
        sensuously’”
        
        It actually says a lot about Christelyn’s character that she allows such language on her blog. It also says quite a bit about how much she values herself.
        
        KamJos
        
        Yeah maybe he should just tell black women to “Make it clap” like a black man does.
        
        Bishop
        
        That was real smart, because what your saying is that white men don’t say ugly and hurtful things to black and white women. Yeah right, go take several seats.
        
        KamJos
        
        Lol, not what I’m saying AT ALL. I’ll stay standing thank you very much.
      - http://www.facebook.com/people/Latrece-Hoskins/100002627012546 Latrece Hoskins
        
        what’s the name of her blog?
Blackhawk

You say I lack character that’s fine.. that’s your opinion. However I also have an opinion and my opinion is that you have the same character of an Uncle Ruckus. Like I said before I will never understand someone like you, and don’t act like you speak for Proud Black Women. Because I know many and I doubt you would fit in their circle with your square mentality. Everyone know black men and women are having some relationship issues, but the message and the only real solution is for us to come together again in love to fix these problems in our relationships, family and community. But do you see this being promoted to us anywhere right now.. No! Instead we are being bombarded with swirl crusades like yours… I wonder why?

I do have a heart.. so I apologize for implying that you are ugly. Every woman should feel that they are beautiful.. so I’m sorry. I just have my reasons to believe why you think the way you do.
This is Cray

Christelyn, you are a promiscuous woman that convinced a metrosexual man to marry her.

You are not intelligent, nor are you strategic and quite honestly, you could not properly write in English if your life depended on it.

Please remind yourself of the correct spelling of experiment. And I’ve seen your blog, so don’t pretend that that is a one-off error. You cannot even spell. Please sit down.
anonymouse

why is a difference of opinion ‘bullying’ now?? As far as ‘stalking a blog’, if this comment section is what is being referred to, I thought it was understood that anybody can post here as often as they like. The last thing is this- it was not only men who took issue with the different posts and the book.
Kitsy

Christelyn, please do not feed the animals. These trolls are truly demented, dangerous individuals. I think many of them are pathological and have mommy issues. They need to seek counseling and we don’t need to entertain them. Ignore and block.
Allyce

Christelyn,
I did not watch the video but I’m happy for you. As long as your husband treats you well and you do the same. It’s all good. Congrats! And to the haters – they are upset Christelyn because they know they could NOT meet your moral standards. Don’t waste time thinking about them.

S.L

If black women don’t want a OOW rate of over 80% this will stop when black women learn to USE & ENFORCE birth control i.e (pill, condom, etc ) the OOW isn’t going to magically disappear, if black women start having sexual relations with white men. If black women don’t know how to control their reproductive organs with black men , where do people get the assumption that it’s going to stop with white men ? ? ?

Gye Nyame

Thank you so much for that comment S.L. I hope people don’t mistake my passion for my community with being brash or bragging. But I believe in the Black family and if we spent more time explaining that condoms are NOT birth control. Condoms protect us from STD’s/STI’s and BIRTH CONTROL protects us from unwanted pregnancies…you have to use BOTH, bottom line! If we spent more time discussing responsible family planning and focused our attention on how to raise healthy functional children in a loving environment, we can begin to solve the problem. That’s a REAL solution because the answer to most of our problems as a community will be solved when we fix the family. My favorite quote by Frederick Douglass states: “it is easier to raise healthy children than to fix broken men”, and I couldn’t agree more.
- BIG BAKED APPLE
  
  You’re not passionate, you’re intrusive. Economic control in local neighborhoods and the politics to protect is where you begin to “fix” anything. The “family” isn’t a solution, its a cop out and you know it. Its pulls at your heartstrings and just vague enough to keep objective perspectives off the table. People who don’t own businesses, property, or considerable assets always want to bring their testicles and ovaries to the table. Like that and marriage is going to employ black teenagers or secure a safe place for black seniors citizens and the black disabled. I’ll take Dr. Claud Anderson over Douglas anyday.
  - Gye Nyame
    
    Studies show married people have more economic resources than struggling single moms, and their children benefit from those resources. In communities where there are two parent households people have more social capital. EVERYTHING starts with the family, if you don’t believe me do some research and get back to me…I’ll wait because I can tell by your statement that you don’t know what the hell you are talking about. Do you know how many public policies were put in place to remove the black man from his family? Study history, this is when we began to see the destruction of the black family. Every issue you mentioned above is related to the family, but I know you’re probably one of these people that think blacks are inherently bad and we got ourselves in this situation.
  - S.L
    
    “People who don’t own businesses, property, or considerable assets always
    want to bring their testicles and ovaries to the table.”
    
    lol I own property , because I invested in real estate , I contribute to investments, rrsp, tfsa, savings , etc on a monthly basis and I also have my own small business and yes i’m a black women .So don’t make assumptions about what someone that you obviously don’t know personal owns or doesn’t own. If blacks want a better economic situation for themselves they will learn to invest in themselves and their own community, whites as a “group” will never invest in you. I also find it hilarious that black women don’t get that your testicles and ovaries if not protected and guarded well can make you broke , it’s a lot cheaper to invest in buying birth control and condoms then it is to raise and care for a child being single.
    
    “Like that and marriage is going to employ black teenagers or secure a
    safe place for black seniors citizens and the black disabled”
    
    oh and marriage to white men or men of other races isn’t going to provide employment either lol.
    - BIG BAKED APPLE
      
      I’m talking about broke people not “black people. My granny had a dry cleaning chain, rented duplexes to college students and medical residents, and started an incubator for black businesses with an 8th grade education before Civil Rights. You don’t impress me chick. My premise is that blacks need economic empowerment more than marriage.
      
      ” If blacks want a better economic situation for themselves they will learn to invest in themselves and their own community.”
      Duh! Dr. Claud Anderson said as much in books, lectures, and interviews. That is why I added his name.
      “oh and marriage to white men or men of other races isn’t going to provide employment either lol.”
      You can’t read a simple comment, are you sure you should be doing anything that requires something as complex as a lease? I own commercial properties and mixed use properties, a salvage yard, a bakery, and a small fleet of hybrid shuttles that loop my neighborhood. I have 33 people on my payroll, no investors, and no one to answer to. I have no formal education. That means I get to sit in my PJs on my Eames Lounge and tell you: Get on my level.
      - Gye Nyame
        
        I can tell you have no formal education…
        
        BIG BAKED APPLE
        
        And white supremacy didn’t stop me from doing my thing. Keep your cheap shots and your rhetoric chick. My folks didn’t need a movement to have real Black Power.
        
        Gye Nyame
        
        Like I said I can tell you have no formal education, b/c you make comments about the black community that you have absolutely no evidence to back up. So instead of sitting on your Eames Lounge in you PJs, take an online course in history cause you sound foolish.
This is Cray

I’m sorry but this is exactly why people like Christelyn are an embarrassment to blacks everywhere.

She starts a campaign about the OOW rate to get more readers to sell her book, yet SHE ADMITS that she even asked her current husban to remove his condom before they were married.

TK

Reading these comments made me think about myself and dating. I grew up a military brat, so the neighborhoods/bases I grew up on were very mixed. My first BF was a black boy (when I was 16), and when I went off to college, I dated all types of guys…majority black males. Happens that my longest relationship was with a russian-american. My parents didn’t grow up the way that I did, and had to slowly accept that I was open to dating all races of men. Love is blind, but doesn’t negate color. I don’t care how much people say its not a challenge, the differences between you and that person are there. You notice it. If you truly love eachother, you acknowledge and discuss it. I will continue to date whomever I want, regardless of color. I just think its bullsh*t when folks cop to this ‘post-racial’ society crap. Does this make me a self hating BW? An undercover racist? I’d love to hear from you guys.

Malcom Hex

Real BM let women chose the man they want and step aside LIKE A MAN.
Real BM are too busy taking care of biz to fuss like women.
Real BM **MARRY THE MOTHER OF THEIR CHILDREN**
Real BM don’t STALK BW from blog to blog.
Real BM know that BM swirl 3x more than BW!

In All Honesty

Real BM don’t allow others to define who they are.
JettMane

Real BM date biracial women.
- Nisha
  
  No. Real BM date women who are compatible with them and love them as equals and not let someone else dictate what they do with their lives and who they choose to date and/or marry. You obviously aren’t a real man yet…come back when you grow up.

http://twitter.com/MmeSaur A G

While my boyfriend looks like Chris Kringle from “Santa Claus is Coming Town” I can’t stand Christelyn Karazin’s philosophy on interracial dating. She tends to talk about white guys as a status symbol and that any white man is a suitable upgrade from a black man. Date someone who is good to you, and you be good to them. That’s it!

This is Cray

THIS!

BIG BAKED APPLE

Black Men have their pick of Black Women, they know it and we know it.
Black Men aren’t getting married that much these days and when they do 1 in 4 won’t be marrying a Black Woman.
If Karazin and her co-author had wrote a book about attracting and keeping a black man no one would have a problem even though we know it would send Black Women on a dummy mission for a Black Man’s affection. Black men can have their pick of 8 in10 black women. Who the other 2 date and why is none of your damn business. When a Black Man says I don’t date Black Women because of xyz, you click the thumbs up. This is a Black Man with a preference, plain and simple. When a Black Woman says the same you guys turn into historians and sociologists. Black Women can’t have a preference for anything that isn’t Black and Male. We have to at least say we’re inclusive to all races to make you sure Black Men, and Black Women who think their sons, brothers, and cousins are exempt from jerk status, are “okay”. Black Women can date anyone, for any reason. If she thinks White Men are better, wants “pretty” babies, wants to know what its like to have sex with a Latino, beliefs there is a shortage GBM, believes there are things that Black Men don’t and won’t do, she can, her vagina, her time, her life. When a women who isn’t Black says as much to explain why she wants to be with a Black Man no one suggests self hate, a racial fetish, or advises her to make changes in how she views the men in her own group. Don’t even get me started on what Black Men say.

colliz

I want to give your comment a thousand thumbs up. There is so much hypocrisy when it comes to racial preferences when dating. And you’re so right, everyone is allowed to have a dating preference except the black woman.
- disqus_JhvjdPARm3
  
  “And you’re so right, everyone is allowed to have a dating preference except the black woman.”
  And this is why I like CK because she does what she wants irregardless of what others say. She SHOWS people she has her own mind.
In All Honesty

“Black Men have their pick of Black Women, they know it and we know it.”

This is wild. Are you saying that ANY BM can just go out and get ANY BW he wants? They don’t even do that in the Twilight Zone. There are only two kinds of men that this would apply to. The first is BM who look good. The other is BM who look decent and are financially well off. That’s it. The average BM does NOT have his pick of BW because he’s invisible. He’s considered an anti-BM weirdly enough. I’m sure the same happens to BW like that.
- BIG BAKED APPLE
  
  so the average black man isn’t decent looking and financially stable? tell black men that.
  - In All Honesty
    
    In America, the average person isn’t going to be financially stable.

http://www.facebook.com/charelle.mack Charelle Mack

The black community has been under attack by white male supremacy for many years and it is part of the reason why we spend more time attacking one another, than realizing that the issues of race first need to be address within ourselves before we can address them with anyone else. Once we are able to get passed that, then we will realize the boundless possibilities within the dating world. People are under the assumption that when you date outside of your race you are giving in to the societal idea that “not black” is better, although sometimes that is the case, the truth is regardless of color, if they are not contributing positively to the community you are apart of, then none of the issues with race today will ever be solved. When we all decide to educate ourselves on how unimportant race, we’ll strengthen not only ourselves, but our community.

victoria

The reason why a book like this is needed is not b/c as black people we dont understand race, it’s b/c the numbers just dont add up. Meaning viable bm for bw (more bw with degrees than black men, over 20% of bm in this country date, cohabitate, or are married to non black women, etc.). Let’s call a spade a spade. Bw are smart to consider marriage to non bm. We are the lowest of any race/group (except for Asian men) to get married.
- Bishop
  
  Can you please site the source that states “over 20% of black men in this country date, live or are married to non black women” Because according to latest census report over 87% of black men that are married are married to African American women. Opinions should not serve as facts just because it serves your on bias views.
  - victoria
    
    Please read my comment carefully, I said 20%+ bm date, cohabitate OR are married to non black women.
    Check out research conducted by David R. Harris and Hiromi
    Ono, both sociologists at the U-M Institute for Social Research (ISR). According to their research 12.5% of black men are living with white women. Their research shows that all groups are more likely to cohabitate than marry when in IR. But according to your research 13% ARE MARRIED. Im sure the numbers for dating and cohabitation are higher.

Machelle Kwan

People can do what they like, but I can’t get with the swirl.

Blackhawk

Neither can I, 99% of interracial couples didn’t just happened. They purposely dated that person because of their race.. and that’s the truth.

http://www.facebook.com/jason.f.vorhees Jason Fangz Vorhees

dont ya just love how alot of blacks equate interracial relationships as black and whites only. Yall do know there are other ethnic groups besides white to date right?

http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/V6O2EBOSDDIC3EESW3JS22OYWA Vic

Perhaps they aren’t seen as a different “race” by some black people. Perhaps the whole campaign is to get black people into bed with white people. Let’s not forget that during “Jim Crow” those signs said colored and white. Marriage bans were between white people and non white people – not between black people and other forms of non white people. Either way , highlight a very interesting ( and important) point
http://twitter.com/eshowoman Friday Foster-ABWW

And other races of men are just as reluctant to marry black women as white men are.
http://twitter.com/eshowoman Friday Foster-ABWW

And other races of men are just as reluctant to marry black women as white men are.

islandman

The main reason you should date/married someone regardless of race should be base on their integrity,character,honesty and how much they love you.Some of these women on MadameNoire have this mentality if it’s not white I’m not dating/marrying PERIOD.(No Exception) That’s my problem with most of these self-haters (both BM and BW) they only date/marry just because person is not black.smh Some of them (BW/BM) often have one or two bad experiences taking their own and all of certain ‘I’m done dating BW/BM”..Really!? :/ ..Coming from a different country I never experience so much self-hate and white worship ever. A message to all the black self-haters BW/BM you can hate your people as much as you want but you ever face with discrimination let the white/asian/hispanic/indian/ etc person know you don’t like black people too and see how acceptance/mate/husband/friend you get.LOL.

http://www.facebook.com/amanda.browne.7165 Amanda D. Browne

Kudos to Christelyn for stepping out there and trying her best to help black women see they have more options than just what they’re used to. It is okay to love whoever you want– be it a swirl, chocolate, or white man! I support you CK!!!

Candacey Doris

That may be what she MEANT but that’s not what was said. If you have a hard time saying what you mean, hire a better editor and some proof readers. And stop making foolish comments on your blog.

S. Larry

“and the importance of judging a man for his character rather than his color” Christelyn judges and stereotypes all black men based on the color of their skin . if people actually took the time to read through the comment sections on her blog they would realize that.

In All Honesty

You are absolutely right. How are you strictly for interracial relationships only and say that you encourage “character over color”, Karazin? Can anyone answer this question instead of thumbing comments down like frightened idiots?
- http://www.facebook.com/christelyn Christelyn Russell-Karazin
  
  Since you address me directly, I am not “strictly for” anything, except that black women–and all people are free to love, marry and mate with the best man/woman for the job, it’s simple as that. The only person who appears frightened good sir, is you.
  - In All Honesty
    
    So that means that I can expect to see pictures, anecdotes or articles of Black women in positive relationship, no matter what race the man is? Is that what you’re saying? Think about that, err – good ma’am. What in the world would I be frightened about? I’m the one with the truth in his corner.
    - http://www.facebook.com/christelyn Christelyn Russell-Karazin
      
      IAH, there’s a comment at the top of the page I made just for you. Thanks for playing.
      - In All Honesty
        
        “IAH, there’s a comment at the top of the page I made just for you. Thanks for playing. ”
        
        You’re going to tell me how awesome I am at the top of the page?

Gye Nyame

If the point of the book is supposed to be about choosing character over color, why is the title of the book called “Swirling”? The title is deliberate because it is encouraging women to date outside of their race, which has nothing to do with choosing character. Don’t get me wrong I agree with the author to a certain extent, but she needs to be honest about what her book is about. The assumption that you have to look outside of your race for a man of substance and character is offensive. Most of the time women CHOOSE superficial traits over character, while good brothers with character are passed up.

http://www.facebook.com/amanda.browne.7165 Amanda D. Browne

I don’t think she means that you have to look outside of your race to find a man of substance and character. I think she’s saying that we as black women have options and we don’t only have to look for those characteristics in black men. It’s all about the options. Marry who you love and if that happens to be a white man then don’t shy away from your happiness because society or yourself is telling you that you should stick to black men only. Swirling is when you date all different types of men and ethnicities. Thats why it’s the name of the book and that’s the point of the book. Not to bash black men. Without black men the swirl in Swirling wouldn’t be possible! It’d be just plain vanilla man or something! LOL
- Gye Nyame
  
  I think that’s what she means, but we can agree to disagree. I understand keeping ones options open, but the whole “date a white man” concept is an over simplified solution. Let’s face it, white men are not like black men. Black men will date some of the most unattractive/uneducated white women just to satisfy his media driven “need” to be with a white girl. White men on the other hand don’t date just any black woman, they usually want a woman of a certain class, size, and education level. Many may not want to hear that but its true, I’ve learned that from working with a lot of successful men of other races and going out with a few.
  - http://www.facebook.com/jason.f.vorhees Jason Fangz Vorhees
    
    You do raise an interesting situation. You are very nail on the head with a white male who has his stuff together dating only educated, attractive black women. I see alot of black males that way also. If they have alot of money they are going after attractive well to do white women. Could it possibly be a class situation? The poor white guys mess with some horrible lookin black women and the poor white women mess with some horrible lookin black dudes. I can pretty much guarantee If you have paper….your dating pool of attractive people to pick from expands greatly. Please believe if a black doctor is dating a white woman….she wont look like a mud duck. If a white man is dating a sista….please believe she is gonna be a head turner. Exceptions to these rules? Yes….but not many.
    - Wow
      
      I don’t know I think brothas and sistersboth end up with the white mate that if the person was black they would never date based on looks. Its only when a different race is being pursued that looks no longer matter but only how the person treats them, but somehow that doesn’t apply with one another. It seems like a black man will date any type of white woman. Look at Tiger Woods and the girls he cheated with, I don’t think a black man’s socioeconomic status really ties into the type of white woman they choose for a mate, she just has to be white. I think black women kind of follow the same pattern as black men when it goes to choosing a white mate. White males and females choose amongst the blacks they are interested and select from the ones that reciprocate b/c they don’t have the same “got to just have me somebody who is black” pathology as some of us seem to have towards having a white mate.
      - http://www.facebook.com/jason.f.vorhees Jason Fangz Vorhees
        
        That would make a great debate. I think black women probably more so than men would date a thats not so attractive but has money. How many black male celebs can we name with truly unattractive white women?
  - Machelle Kwan
    
    That is so true. White men in general aren’t checking for non-skinny women.
    - victoria
      
      I actually saw a white man with his black wife (I assume) and their daughter at toys r us 2 days ago. But I do agree most wm arent checking for non skinny women. Many bm arent checking for skinny women,
      - victoria
        
        I meant to say, his overweight wife
  - victoria
    
    Im a black woman married to a white man. And yes, I do agree that wm tend to marry black woman of a certain class, size, and education level. I think this is a good thing. There’s a reason why majority of marriages between black women and white men outlast wm/ww and bm/ww marriages…they are choosing wisely. (meaning marrying in their 30s and mates who have something to offer).
- In All Honesty
  
  “I don’t think she means that you have to look outside of your race to find a man of substance and character.”
  
  That is EXACTLY what she means. How can it be “swirling” when two chocolates mix? It’s just going to be more chocolate. “Swirling” is not possible between a BM and BW. Karazin knows that and it’s her goal to separate BM and BW period.
  - http://www.facebook.com/christelyn Christelyn Russell-Karazin
    
    Uh…not wise to speak for me sir. In the book, we SPECIFICALLY reference swirling based on culture within the African diapora. Might serve you to read a bit before you spout lies. It just makes you look simple and uninformed, just looking to be hateful because you have a grudge.
    - Girl, Bye
      
      Christelyn, BYE
      
      you are such a clown
    - http://twitter.com/eshowoman Friday Foster-ABWW
      
      You seem to leave out the fact that many non-black men have no desire to date black women. Opening up your dating preferences is admirable but selling the idea that this is all about black women’s reluctance to out-date and out-marry is disingenuous.
  - Blackhawk
    
    Exactly.. she knows she is marketing this book to black women who want to date white men. Why the charade?
  - http://twitter.com/eshowoman Friday Foster-ABWW
    
    I may not agree with some of the things this woman says but black men are doing an excellent job separating themselves from black women all by themselves.
islandman

Nice!
anonymouse

that was exactly my point when I responded to her on the other post and she and her followers got offended by it. Great post!
- This is Cray
  
  She posted this post on her website hoping her c o o n s would come over here to defend her.
http://twitter.com/only1jl Jevon Weaver

the title is there to capture you attention hints “don’t judge a book by it cover” people take thing way to literal these days.
BB

I read the book and she does not trash black men or encourage black women to overlook good black men, that is a LIE and a distortion of her message, and truth be told twisting a persons words to misinform is way more offensive. What she encourages black women to do is open themselves up to love from other races and not be afraid of marrying outside their race. There is nothing in her book where she puts down black men or discourages black women from marrying a good black man if she finds one,she encourages women to expand their options for love and companionship.

if we are going to talk about being “overlooked” I cannot tell you how many stories I hear of black men overlooking black women. I have two stories.:

Story #1

A friend of mine and one of her girlfriends went to a bar and grill and sat by 4 brothas who ignored them despite their efforts to strike up a friendly conversation with them. A hour or so later. two white guys approached them and started chatting with them and asked them to dance. ALL OF A SUDDEN the brothas were trying to get my friend and her friends attention. Too late then! They were not interested before, but suddenly wanted to interrupt my friends flow.

Story #2:

Another friend of mine was out to dinner with a friend of hers who was a brotha and they noticed an IR couple BW/WM and it was clear the white guy adored his wife and it annoyed the brotha and he made snide comments. My friend asked him if he was interested in the girl (who was thick) himself. “naw she a’int my type, I prefer the athletic type (skinny)” so my friend asked him why did he care who she was with? he ignored her question and kept complaining about that “White man” with a sistah. In both these scenarios, the men did not want these black women, but they felt it was their right to c*** block any other man who showed interest in them.

There are hundreds of you tube clips posted by bitter black men encouraging black women to not be seen as women who should be loved and adored something Chris does not say about black men. Alot of black men are constantly throwing black women under the bus, but the minute a black woman who is happy in her marriage to a white man encourages black women to accept attention from men who don’t throw them under the bus, she is the enemy.

On a final note, if you find it superficial for a woman to date outside her race because he is a different race, is it not also superfical for a black woman to choose a mate soley on the fact he is BLACK??? I would rather be with a wonderful white, asian, hispanic, etc man who ADORES me than a black man who IGNORES me.
- Gye Nyame
  
  BB are you getting a cut of the royalties this book will make? If not…calm down. I don’t think for one minute that bw should sit around a “wait” to be noticed by bm, I didn’t. And I most certainly think a woman should be loved and adored by her partner, I am. But this whole “the white man is the solution” garbage is sickening. Listen, my background is in history and people of color don’t understand the damaging messages we internalize. Are Asian and white women being told not to date their own, or to expand their options…no they are not. Disney’s first movie with an African American princess was coupled with a non-black male as her love interest, where the eff in white america would they ever have the first white princess marry anyone other than a white prince?!!! I work with kids you don’t understand the damage these constant “the white hope” messages does to us as a race. Always looking outside of our race for some one to “save us” from ourselves. The point I’m trying to make is that it is not either/or: either a date a black man and be ignored and disrespected, or I date a white man or other and have all my dreams come true in a loving committed relationship…please. That kind of thinking is juvenile.
  - Blackhawk
    
    Beautiful… u understand the game. They play the same game with black men too.
  - colliz
    
    Your argument that white and asian women aren’t encouraged to date outside of their race is so off. The media glamorizes and romantizes BM and non black women pairings. It is sickening how it’s constantly thrown in our faces. Ice and Coco, Khloe and Lamar, Hank and Kendra, do i need to go on? Practically all the sitcoms involving black men even the ones on BET feature white women or non black women as their love interests. When was the last time a black woman was featured with a white man in the media? I can only think of that couple on the Jeffersons which was a century ago. The “white hope” message as you put it is not directed to black women. Clearly it’s for the black man. Check amazon and see how many books on there are geared towards encouraging BW to date and marry WM. There are maybe two others besides this one compared to at least 80 directed to the BM. If black men weren’t marrying white women/non black women in record numbers leaving a lot of BW single then there wouldn’t be a campaign to get BW to marry outside their race. It’s not about the white man being a savior and the answer to all problems. It’s about what’s practical and feasible for single BW in 2012. More and more BM are choosing to marry white women so any encouragement for BW to open up their options is welcomed in my book.
    - Gye Nyame
      
      Colliz you just proved my point. These shows encourage black men to date outside their race, notice the common denominator is always a black man. But shows and magazines that are geared towards Asian women and white women are not encouraging them to date outside their race. You also proved my point with the “type” of white women black men pick up and marry..Coco, Kendra, and Khloe are not educated, sophisticated, or articulate women…just white, which seems to be the standard. BTW only 12% of black men marry outside their race according to the Census Bureau, which according to math is hardly a majority, so let’s stop with the “majority of black men marry white women” MYTH.
      - S.L
        
        Again it’s funny how no one points out that all these shows that have a black man and white women are programming that belongs to U.S. cable channel E!. E! channel is owned by NBCUniversal , Steve Burke is the executive Vice President of NBC Universal and he is a WHITE MAN . So the question begs why is a white man promoting and approving shows that only showcase black men and white women relations, how come Steve is putting shows with white men and black women ? black men are not controlling the programming and images that are put on tv white men are . So both Ryan Seacrest and Steve Burke and all the other white men who work at these tv stations make money off of these programs.
- S.L
  
  She may not discourage it in her book but she does discourage it on her website and facebook page, which is an extention of her. Christelyn is so called author and should know that people WILL be reading her tweets, facebook updates and comments on message boards etc. You can defend the book all you want but at the end of the day she does write stereotypes about bm on her on social media outlets.
  
  “I would rather be with a wonderful white, asian, hispanic, etc man who ADORES me than a black man who IGNORES me.” If a black man ignores you all that means is he ignores you not all black women . You don’t represent all black women. I never understand why women think or assume that every single man on the planet must pay 100% attention to you, do you pay 100% attention to every man that walks by you or comes in contact with you on a daily basis , must a complete stranger tell you that your beautiful do you tell complete strangers that they are handsome.. I’m very sure you don’t.
  - This is Cray
    
    THANK YOU!
    
    She allows some of the most ignorant, racist comments on her blog and I AM A BLACK WOMAN in an IRR and I can’t even believe the types of things these women say….sometimes its like reading some white nationalist website that I shall not name. It is a hot mess.
    
    But to sell her book she tries to pretend like she doesn’t agree although SHE APPROVES EVERY SINGLE COMMENT.
- Reality Strikes Again
  
  sweet heart. good luck. All I ‘m going to tell you is that while you’ve had “problems” with black men…..white men aren’t as open minded and black women loving as Christelyn will make you believe. She wants you to think her situation is everyday and common when in fact, the fact that any man wanted her is pure luck.
  
  I’m not saying ALL white men are racist. I’m saying that white men DO grow up watching the same white worshiping media and living in the SAME white supremecist nation. Black people talk about how black men’s ideas of beauty and female worthinesss are impacted by the media and they fail to forget that the media is funded by the dollars of WHITE MEN and consumed by WHITE CHILDREN just the same.
  
  This is America. It is what it is. For the average black woman, dating will be a different experience than the average white woman. That is not anyone’s fault and playing the blame game on the internet is not getting BW married. Again, I’m not saying don’t open up your options I’m just saying don’t go running into brick walls of rejection because Christelyn deluded you into thinking that white males have largely different beauty standards than white men. They don’t. The only huge difference for white men is they like THIN women. Other than they, they still are most attracted to lighter skin, straighter hair, a slimmer nose, etc.
  
  I’m not being racist, “gas lighting” or anything. I’m telling my sisters the truth. I don’t have a book to sell, so I don’t mind talking about reality. She’s trying to take advantage of people and pretending like its some civil rights movement, its not. The ladies who are really meant to swirl, are going to swirl. No one needs her book.
  
  Whatever you do ladies, I will tell you this: you won’t learn anything new from that book, spend your money on a nice mani/pedi. Don’t support that narcissistic, profiteering bum with your dollars.
  
  This whole article is another desperate advertisement for her book. Peep her game and keep moving. If you want to swirl, fine, but all this online mud slinging is
  C O O N E RY plain and simple and I mean that for both BW and BM. Just stop. I bet white nationalists come here to beat their meat and feel better about themselves. Don’t give them the satisfaction. Date who you want, but be proud of yourself and your culture. Do what white people do, highlight the amazing aspects and shove the darker sides under the rug, it worked for them, especially on people like Christelyn. Have these convos in private not all over the internet. Geez people this is a mess.
  - KamJos
    
    American White men are not the only men on earth.
    - Bishop
      
      No but European white men have cornered the market on racism, sexism, and degradation. So take your pic hun.
      - victoria
        
        Go to Europe and you will see loads of white men married to women of all colors. Being that Im (an Afr Amer woman) am married to an European and live in Europe, I KNOW. And there are loads of American American women married to German, French, British, Italian, Swiss, Scandanavian men and living in Euopre. Black Women In Europe. And get this…with Chinese men woking and living in Africa, many are marrying African women. Travel the world and see for yourself.
        And btw, you and the other commentors sound sad. It’s one thing to disagree. It’s another to appear as if this topic is a source of misery for you.
        
        Bishop
        
        I’ve been to Europe on extensive assignments and trust me it is not the hot bed of progressiveness that you want to let us to believe. Please do not assume something about others when you don’t know that background of that person(s). By the way where do you think America learned it’s views on racism, sexism, fascism and colonialism especially when it comes to people of color. You’re not informed nor equipped mentally enough about the underbelly of European societies to even speak on this subject. I believe people will and should love whoever they want, but please do not come here extolling the virtues of white men be they European or of European decent (i.e. American/WASP).
        
        victoria
        
        I have everyday life experience. I work, pay taxes, run a home, communicate, raise children, interact with…LIFE in Europe. You have business trip/assignment experience. And believe it is much more progressive than the US. Trust
        
        http://twitter.com/eshowoman Friday Foster-ABWW
        
        You have left out the fact that way more black men are married to white women, just like in America.
        
        http://twitter.com/eshowoman Friday Foster-ABWW
        
        You have left out the fact that way more black men are married to white women, just like in America.
      - KamJos
        
        So don’t date them. That’s what I meant.
  - http://twitter.com/eshowoman Friday Foster-ABWW
    
    That is why I have an issue with this idea. It ignores the fact that the majority of non-black men do not look at black women as suitable partners. It is going to take more than opening up your dating preference to combat the prejudices that many have about us.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Latrece-Hoskins/100002627012546 Latrece Hoskins
  
  well said.
msgeegee

“Most of the time women CHOOSE superficial traits over character, while good brothers with character are passed up”….oh really? and of course men are not guilty of this at all right? I’ll wait……
- Gye Nyame
  
  What does that have to do with my overall point? There are men guilty of this and they end up with self centered, and trifling women…and I don’t feel sorry for them either. It goes both ways. Since we were talking about women I used an example that relates to women. BTW msgeegee I don’t buy into the myth that women of color can’t find a good black man. I know some of the kindest, compassionate, and loving bm that married black women, and are doing their best to raise healthy and happy children. A good black man doesn’t equal the tooth fairy or big foot…he does exist.
Machelle Kwan

True but good men like that are only checking for slim women.
This is Cray

I’ve read the book. The book is trash. Full of things that are common sense.

Christelyn is getting desperate and trying to get sales for her book.

This issue is not about interracial relationships its about a desperate clown trying to make money.

I read this book, it is truly not worth purchasing. Save yourself the eight bucks.

http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/V6O2EBOSDDIC3EESW3JS22OYWA Vic

The message is simple: be a sexual toilet for a white person and pretend we don’t live on a planet dominated by white supremacy – so that it can continue.

StuckInDaMatrix

Your point is crude but, well taken! It seems a lot of blacks will fight tooth and nail to date a white person when blacks are least desired by white men and white women.
- Wow
  
  In the other article I wrote a post on the other article stating the same, no cussing no vulgarity but the mods saw fit to delete it. This is all propaganda that would have us to believe that there troves of white men waiting in line to date single sisters while the numbers don’t support it. And it’s not like the ones we are pulling are Brad Pitt or Channing Tatum. So we can’t talk about the type of white women black men are with when sisters are settling for the same but sugar coating it with “looks aren’t everything”. Why is the open your options” speech really only pertaining to opening your options to white men and other races or cultures of men are a mere after thought in these convos? Until there is an honest response to the purpose of these articles Im going to assume they are more intended for the black men who read them more than they are to “help” black women as they purport to be. Just like the jump ship articles written by brothers are intended for us to read and react. Birds of a feather.
  - StuckInDaMatrix
    
    Honestly I think most of these types of articles are “propoganda” meant to divide and conquer. Blacks are too stupid to see that white supremacy is working its “magic” on them.
    - BB
      
      Divide and conquer? with the out of wedlock birthrate at 80%, the (C)rappers who call black women B***** and Hoes, the hundreds of you tube videos created by black men in hate of black women no family or true community unity and somehow a black woman marrying a white man is the undoing of black people as we know it? OH PLEASE!
      
      Since you outted yourself as either one of the Hotep-love my-blackness- “conscious” collective or of the black hebrews, I am going to say this to you, How long are you going to blame the white man for the crap going on in the black community? i know traces of white priviledge and white supremacy exist, but they are not the ones making black men rap about calling black women derrogatory names, using black women as semen dumps, abandoning their children, not providing safe stable homes for their families, working or starting their own businesses, etc. and no amount of african or hebrew names, dashikis, eating raw foods and using herbs is going to change that.When Neo took the red pill, he left the MATRIX, he did not stay asleep.He arose and TOOK RESPONSIBILITY! The true evidence that you have taken the red pill and not the blue one is a change in actions will be evident. Neo and the crew knew the agents existed but they did not let them stop them from their goal, to protect ZION! To put this in your mind another way. If black people care about their community (Zion) as a whole, then they will not let the agents (white supremacy or anything they see as a threat) stop them not waste time blaming the agents for being what they are.
      - In All Honesty
        
        “How long are you going to blame the white man for the crap going on in
        the black community? i know traces of white priviledge and white
        supremacy exist, but they are not the ones making black men rap about
        calling black women derrogatory names, using black women as semen dumps,
        abandoning their children, not providing safe stable homes for their
        families, working or starting their own businesses.”
        
        And how long are you going to blame the Black man for what rappers and deadbeats do? You need to be addressing THEM, because you have no idea whether this dude is even like that. If all WM are not responsible then do not make all BM responsible. Be objective.
- Machelle Kwan
  
  Exactly. Those folks aren’t checking for us like that. They have plenty of their own to mate with. Regular everyday people don’t really have the choice to interacially date that much anyway.
Plunger

Hey Vic, If the message is as simple as bw being a sexual toilet for a white person, how do you explain the out of wedlock birthrate in the black community reaching 80%? What about the highschool in Memphis that had over 90 of its girls pregnant? What about the fact that the majority of children in foster care (pick a city) have black fathers regardless of what the mother is. Of course they are mainly black, but that is beside the point. Seems like bw have allowed themsleves to be sexual toilets for lots of black men out there — even more so than they have for white men if you want to believe what is your opinion.

Christelyn addresses that too as she cares about what happens to our young black women and girls (No Wedding No Womb). What have you done for a black woman in your community lately other than to wait for your opportunity to pounce and troll articles and spew your venom? You and your ilk are pathetic. Those who don’t drink your particular brand of white sugar flavored cool aid (also bad for you) will still be spouting your trash years from no as that is all you now how to do, and unaffected sisters will be proudly making their choices to marry quality men, regardless of whatever their race is. Since you like that toilet analogy so much, just think, white supremacy has nothing to do with how black men in our communities treat black women. I wonder how many sisters you have used the bathroom on yourself, and I know you did not flush. If you don’t like it here in this white supremacist country, I am sure a Haitian or African in some country would love to exchange citizenships with you. Why don’t you oblige them. You won’t be ruled by white supremacists that’s for sure. Besides, we don’t need you here, race baiting bw hater you.

PS: Since you hate the white man and all he stands for, why don’t you get rid of his name. Vic means victor, victorious. You don’t fit that I’m afraid. Opposite extreme – Loser or will you now go by Loser or Loser X?
- anonymouse
  
  OOW births does not mean that the parents are not together, the father has ran off or the mother was being used as a ‘sexual toliet’.
  - Plunger
    
    Of course some are together, but I am not addressing them. These black men sure aren’t parenting the majority of those kids and they are NOT together most of the time. That is why the WOMAN is the head of household. That implies that she is alone. And those poor kids in foster care sure aren’t with their black fathers. I notice you didn’t address that. Yep, the majority of the black men ran off after using the women as toilets, didn’t wipe, just kept it moving to the next commode. Is it better when a black man uses a bw as a toilet because he is black? SMH
    - anonymouse
      
      my comment was in regards to people thinking that OOW births automatically mean that a child is without a father. And why are you talking about foster care?? That would mean that both parents walked out on the child and the majority of children in foster care are White, so what does that say?? I’m not going to join you or anybody else on the ‘black men ain’t crap’ train.
      - In All Honesty
        
        “That would mean that both parents walked out on the child and the
        majority of children in foster care are White, so what does that say??” This is “their” M.O. They say whatever inflammatory comments about BM that make them feel better about themselves, nevermind if it’s actually answering the question or not. As for your question, they’ll just “stan/white knight” for the WM and keep harping on BM. It’s what they like to do. They probably figure that WM have it “so hard, already”. ROFL! Can you imagine?
        
        anonymouse
        
        you’ve been speaking the truth on here, but they don’t wanna hear it because it clashes with their agenda
      - http://twitter.com/Zabeth8 MEH
        
        Denial is one hell of a drug.
        
        anonymouse
        
        ah, i’m sure u can do better than that!
    - http://www.facebook.com/BWDeserveBetter BlackWomen DeserveBetter
      
      The OOW apologists will continue lying through their teeth. Those with eyes, ears and a reasonably functioning brain cannot deny the diminished quality of life experienced by single mothers. After father leaves, the woman is usually the primary caretaker with a lion’s share of the responsibilities…
Machelle Kwan

I know right. I just can’t look the other way and pretend like we live in a colorless society and everyone’s the same. Most white men don’t have anything in common with a black woman’s struggle. I’d rather be with someone I can relate to.
- http://www.facebook.com/christelyn Christelyn Russell-Karazin
  
  My husband is German/Polish and Irish. But his color has zero impact on whether he can relate to me. We have more in common that you can know, and he has a keen understanding of what it’s like for me as a black woman. I know it takes extra effort to judge people as individuals, but your life will be much richer if you expend a few more brain cells and stop generalizing.
  - Gye Nyame
    
    Christelyn please stop with the self-righteous “my german/polish and irish husband has a keen understanding of what its like for me as a black woman”…right, Like I said before I agree with you to a certain extent, but your condescending tone is annoying, you speak like your leading people to Jesus (oh right another white man). I’m married to a wonderful black man that was passed up by some bw b/c he is not flashy, he speaks perfect English and he doesn’t raise his voice. He is a great husband and a wonderful father to our beautiful brown children, If you need to sell books I understand but men with character are not exclusive to men of other races. BTW why do you feel the need to defend your IR relationship to people that don’t know you, you married a white man…big deal you didn’t cure cancer.
    - http://www.facebook.com/christelyn Christelyn Russell-Karazin
      
      Gye, I’m glad you found a good man of strong character. It’s what I wish for everyone who desires it.
    - Blackhawk
      
      Lol, take it a lil easy on her. You know she had it rough growing up because i know for a fact it wasn’t too many brothas tripping over themselves to date her.. so she’s been sour ever since.. which led her on this crusade of hers
      - http://www.facebook.com/christelyn Christelyn Russell-Karazin
        
        @5235553932c6892a1223cf5d1d9bdc49:disqus, interesting…you know this…how? Are you implying that I’m unattractive to black men? Well in that case, you should be thrilled that non-black men are taking women that look like me off your hands then, right?
        
        In All Honesty
        
        Oh please. You KNOW that you’re unattractive to Black men. That’s why you cry about “colorism” all the time. We would be very thrilled if BW like yourself all crossed over. Unfortunately, you all just can’t seem to keep BM out of your minds and mouths. Can’t say I blame you but it’s very annoying.
        
        http://www.facebook.com/christelyn Christelyn Russell-Karazin
        
        What you said was telling, and I’m glad you did. That fact that you bring “colorism” into the conversation when you reference my attractiveness implies that black men don’t find dark-skinned women attractive. You just proved the existence of colorism. #goodjob!
        
        http://www.facebook.com/BWDeserveBetter BlackWomen DeserveBetter
        
        @facebook-1060238506:disqus -CHECK & MATE! Although I don’t encourage it, when conversing with these types long enough, the truth will eventually come out. See how your dissenter VOLUNTARILY introduced looks into the conversation?
        
        ….For of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.
        
        In All Honesty
        
        “What you said was telling, and I’m glad you did. That fact that you
        bring ‘colorism’ into the conversation when you reference my
        attractiveness implies that black men don’t find dark-skinned women
        attractive.”
        
        No, what I said “implies” that Black men don’t find YOU attractive. This is ONLY BASED on what YOU wrote in another article for this very site about the topic. As far as proving the “existence of colorism”, I think your book does a far better job of endorsing that than I ever could. How ironic. Where you were a victim of “colorism” before, now you are one of it’s champions. All I’m asking you to do is think about it. You write “character OVER color” about a book intended for positive interracial relationships. Let’s be honest, that’s the only relationship “Swirling” is about. You can’t have a chocolate “swirl” with two scoops of chocolate ice cream after all. The people who take issue with you do so because you make the argument [whether you mean to or not - I personally think you absolutely meant to] that “character” and “color” are mutually exclusive. That is foul, lady.
        
        Blackhawk
        
        Uh… no one said black men are not attracted to dark-skinned women. We love all shades of black. That’s just how you rationalized it since black men wasn’t asking you out. Just be honest.
      - BB
        
        I know Chris personally for someone who is college a educated, published author whose book is about to be made into a movie, who is happily married with a loving husband and 4 amazing children living in a very prosperous area on the west coast, oh yeah she is real sour and bitter and she expresses said bitterness by encouraging women to partake of the genuine happiness she has been enjoying for years by finding their own, oh yeah that is what sour people do right?
        
        Ignorant putdowns like yours are the very reason why she is encouraging women to date and marry out with men who will celebrate their beauty not say the stupid things like you are saying to trash them. I would not encourage any woman to put up with any “brotha” that make remarks like yours.
        
        Oh and by the way (though it is not true) if there were not too many brothas tripping over her is because while she was in class getting an education, most of them were probably on the street corner with their pants down around their knees perfecting their ebonic skills. So obviously she did not miss out on anything.
        
        Gye Nyame
        
        BB I understand you want to defend your friend and that’s fine, but now you sound ignorant making that stereotypical statement about “brothas”. While I was sitting in my college course “getting an education” there was a “brotha” in that class that was articulate, and intellectually stimulating. That “brotha” later became my husband, and he never stood on a street corner w/ his pants down or used ebonics. You’re probably a victim of your own poor choices when it comes to black men. You have a very negative view of black men and i don’t know what you’ve been through, but let me offer you a hug.
        
        http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61802566 Shun Jack
        
        It’s comments like these which are the reason the bull shyte black community will stay in the dump and will not change…there is no accountability and people like you ignore the facts…you are using the typical needle in a haystack argument…yes, you may be married to a “good black man”….but that is not what most black women and men are facing…open your eyes…80% out of wedlock rate? I mean, come on…what does it take for people to see that 2+2 = 4?…stereotypes aren’t stereotypes, when they are true…Hell, even a Black man had to write a book to validate the dysfunction in the black community…Ralph Richard Banks, anyone? I’ve read the book and there is NO WHERE absolutely NO WHERE in the book where Chris is bashing black men.
        
        Gye Nyame
        
        No Shun I don’t ignore facts, as a matter of fact I am quite aware of the facts. and I never said Chris was bashing black men. The 80% OOW rate has nothing to do with having a good black man. But its because of people like you who feel the answer to fixing the black community is to marry someone outside of it and move as far away from the problem as possible. The reasons why there is an 80% OOW rate, and bm and bw seem to have such an antagonistic and hateful relationship towards one another is by design and all rooted in history, and I know my history…do you know yours? Let’s be honest the majority of black women are not going to marry white men for various reasons. Then what? How do we fix the problems in our community?
        
        BIG BAKED APPLE
        
        The majority of black women aren’t going to marry a black man either.
        
        Gye Nyame
        
        I find it strange that there is no shortage of black baby daddies, but black women complain there are “no” black men, why is that? The fact that you can find someone to lay up with a produce a child tells me the shortage is in the thinking of black women.
        
        Derek Cramer
        
        Sista I LOVE YOU! Thank you for defending Good Black Men! We are not all the monsters these Black men haters need to make us out to be to spew their “white is right” propaganda. THANK YOU SISTER FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART!
        
        Blackhawk
        
        I asked the same question in another swirling article.. why do black people who are in interracial relationships have the need to try to recruit other black people to do the same… Understand this, the majority of black people DO NOT want a white mate.. so just let it rest. U have no idea what u look like preaching this white is right mentality.
        
        First I live in Atlanta and all my associates and friends are black professionals and mostly college educated. So i don’t relate to your thug references. Whenever we have socials theirs not one person who gives a damn about dating a white person. Its always a pro-black conversation. I’m sure neither one of you would fit in anyways.. Atlanta is not diverse enough for you huh aka its not enough white people here for you to feel comfortable. I know your type very well.
        
        Lastly i was just keeping it real, i saw her pictures and I KNOW black men were not knocking her door down to get with her, and if shes truthful she will admit it herself.
      - http://www.facebook.com/christelyn Christelyn Russell-Karazin
        
        Blackhawk, take a look up at the top of the page. There’s a comment I made just for you. Thanks for playing.
    - BB
      
      And the fact you are married to a black man does not mean your achievement is equal to the first man landing on the moon or saved da black race from being obliterated. Somebody call Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton she married a good black man! Break out the 40′s!
      - Gye Nyame
        
        BB after reading your posts I’m convinced that you are bitter. Despite hearing “black men ain’t ish” and “black men hate black women” and “you better marry a white guy” etc I was able to reject the images and messages being forced down my throat. I found someone that I am proud to call my partner and I know others like him. Did I save the black race from being obliterated? No, but when my students or children in my neighborhood see a black woman and a black man walking down the streets holding hands while talking to their children, I know I’ve shown them something that society tells them doesn’t exist…black love and a functional black family. I consider it an accomplishment I share with my community, so save the 40′s for your family reunion…I’ll take a pomegranate martini.
        
        In All Honesty
        
        BB’s comment is sad and provides a great insight into the kind of women Karazin writes for. Gye married a good man that was Black, and we see how the “character over color” crowd attack her for it. This is what I was talking about.
    - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61802566 Shun Jack
      
      “Christelyn please stop with the self-righteous “my german/polish and irish husband has a keen understanding of what its like for me as a black woman”…right, Like I said before I agree with you to a certain extent, but your condescending tone is annoying, you speak like your leading people to Jesus (oh right another white man).”<<<< Jealous much?
  - S.L
    
    lol Christelyn your the QUEEN of generalizing about everyone else but as soon as someone does it to you , you get mad lol. On a daily basis I see images and stories of black women getting married to black men and men of other races, black women don’t NEED you , they are clearly doing fine by themselves to get and find a suitable mate who relates to them. oh and German/Polish/Irish are not colors those are Nationalities learn the difference.
  - AZWhiteGuy
    
    Most white men don’t have anything in common with a
    black woman’s struggle. I’d rather be with someone I can relate to.
    
    Christelyn, I’m sorry, but it’s really beneath you to respond to this moronic,
    collectivist, juvenile drivel. The only reason the central issue here is
    even under discussion at all is because massive numbers of people, as evidenced
    by this thread, are either 1), living in the far distant past, 2) have
    nothing going for them in their own lives, or 3) both 1 and
    2. Whether it is with relationships, careers, family, future, goals, or
    anything else that distinguishes life from mere existence, they cannot
    stand to see anyone succeeding or enjoying anything they
    don’t have, and probably never will have, particularly someone who, like you,
    has a committed and loving relationship, whether it’s between people of the
    same race or different races. It’s much easier, in what passes for their
    “minds,” to let stereotypes, a past of which they weren’t even part,
    blind hatred, or just plain inertia, not to mention sheer ignorance, guide them
    rather than leading their own lives. That’s much easier than being their
    own person, taking responsibility for THEMSELVES, and living and letting
    live. That’s why books and articles like yours provoke such venom.
    If these people had the stability, happiness, focus, and fulfillment in life
    that you obviously have, they’d be either too busy living their own lives to be
    paying any attention to you, or would be encouraging others in their own
    way.
    
    I know it takes extra effort to judge people as individuals, but your
    life will be much richer if you expend a few more brain cells and stop
    generalizing.
    
    Absolutely, but, as you’re surely aware, “brain cells” are obviously in short
    supply. That aside, judging people
    as individuals is, sadly, passe in our collectivist, herd-centric
    society. But you can bet a year’s salary that the same people in this thread
    who would broad-brush and demean others are the same people would DEMAND, even
    to the point of becoming violent, “respect” for themselves.
    
    Sad, sick … and probably hopeless.
    
    Oh, and as to the opening quote of this rant, my black wife somehow must have either not gotten the memo about a “struggle,” or is just one real weak and out-of-touch sistah. I’ll be sure to have her contact some of the folks posting here so she can get caught up on where’s she’s supposed to be.
    - Blackhawk
      
      White guy this is a family discussion.. you want to do some good.. go to a white blog and defend the President against all the racist attacks. Exhibit A: a white person cannot and will never fully understand you.
      - AZWhiteGuy
        
        White guy this is a family discussion..
        
        “Family?” What “family” would that be?
        
        you want to do some good.. go to a white blog and defend the President against all the racist attacks.
        
        Pitiful, even for the crowd that frequents this site.
        
        Exhibit A: a white person cannot and will never fully understand you.
        
        WOW, if ignorance and/or incoherence were an exportable commodity, you’d pay off the national debt all by yourself. Re-read that last sentence again and then tell me that the way this sentence literally reads is actually what you intended to say. “Coherence” clearly isn’t your long suit.
        
        Finally, try writing something in cohesive English (or have someone do it for you) and, whatever it is you meant to say, I just might follow your advice.
        
        This Heffa
        
        Dear, White guy, did you think a comment insulting our intelligence to cast yourself in a superior light is going to make us see your point any better. We already see your point, we don’t agree with you, move on.
        
        PS, I don’t think you’re a man. I think you’re a black woman posing as a man. Probably none other than the Crackly Clownazin herself.
        
        In All Honesty
        
        “Crackly Clownazin”
        
        I’m sorry but this has got to be in the funniest comments for the week.
        
        Blackhawk
        
        WhiteGuy your response was just lame.. now just go somewhere. I’m talking to my people.
http://www.facebook.com/christelyn Christelyn Russell-Karazin

Vic, considering the African American out-of-wedlock rate is now at 80%, tell me again who is using black women for “sexual toilets?” Oh wait…
I thought so.
- http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/V6O2EBOSDDIC3EESW3JS22OYWA Vic
  
  I believe that comment could be offensive to parents that have a child together but just aren’t married. I also wonder where are all of the ” explore your options” and ” date outside your race” articles are that are directed towards white people?Of course there aren’t any because that would be a threat to the existence of white people as a group.
  
  People also act like white men haven’t been having sex in large numbers with black women for centuries. The vast majority of these sexual encounters/relationships end in marriage.
- Blackhawk
  
  Do you realize that you are an Uncle Ruckus? I serious can’t understand people like you.
- S.L
  
  Black women allow themselves to be used a sexual toilets , last time I checked if you have sex with someone it’s because you agreed to have sex with that person , you also have the right to use birth control and the right to use protection you also have the right to abstain from sex. but black women who have multiply kids out of wedlock choose none of the above and then turn around and say a man is using them. A man will only do what a women allows him to do. when black women learn to have self respect for their body they won’t be used as a sexual toilet.
  - Nisha
    
    Men have choices in these situations too. And they should choose not to have sex with someone they don’t want to have kids with…and be a father to. And I’m talking about ALL men. And I know it might shock people but not just black women are single with kids. So this is happening in every community.
- Chrissy the Cow
  
  OOW birth rate is 80% ………..and guess who has an OOW child herself? ……….oh wait, I thought so. Also Chris, as a BW I’ll say this, it takes TWO people to make a baby, you know that don’t you trick? Stop bashing OOW kids because YOU HAVE ONE DUMMY. What will your daughter think if she sees all of this. Do you realize how embarassing this all must be for her. Trying to go to school, be a normal teenager and mom’s at home trying to be the Queen of Swirl. Christelyn, you are too far up your own but to see how big of a joke you are.
  
  You ask men to slip off their condoms. You had an unplanned pregnancy in college. You have no business trying to lord over other BW like you are wiser than them because some metrosexual white man accepted your marriage proposal.
  
  Your children will hate you forever for this.

Hello_Kitty81

My fiance is white and I look past color when it comes to people. I still have love for my brothas and the brothas in my life support me being with him because they look past color too.

Anonymous

Good, because love has no color. However, many interracial NOT ALL relationships still comes from looking for acceptance and validation from another ethnic group because we feel like it’s not happening within our own race. Some black women feel their black skin, hair, upfront personality and maybe their crazy self will be more accepting, receptive by non black men. Same thing for black men, they feel like non black women can deal with their mess more, basically more lenient on them. Some also do it for status, having biracial children is a lot easier and more accepting by the society than full black children. My thing is, what about we also focus on dealing with the MAIN CORE of these issues instead of running away. Let’s see it as a challenge to get better as a race instead of always advising one another to go outside. If we focus on fixing, maybe we will be able to validate each other and not rely on others to do it for us. And, I know we are trying to push to be more open but we also have to focus on the root of it all. More interracial mixing will not erase or stop racism neither is it going to bring more tolerance. If anything, it will bring more complication. Since, black men started this whole I’m too good for black women, it starts from them changing it. The fact that black men go out of their way to make stupid excuses for dating a non black woman, and the fact that black women have to let others know, swirling is not bad makes the whole thing quite awkward. So, black men take the initiative.
- victoria
  
  Or simply, people just like the person they are with. Being with my husband doesnt mean I have to question why Im not with a black man. I see in my husband what I want in a mate… stability, longevity, a provider, fun, loving, an excellent father, a man who handles business, security, good looks… the package. Im not going to waste my time and wonder how come I didnt marry a black man.
  - Anonymous
    
    I agree. I also have family members in interracial marriages, so nothing against it, and no need to question your decision. I’m just coming from a place where we black people in general tend to run away from the problem rather than fixing it. We black people tend to be the only group always preaching about been open, accepting of other race, which is good, I just wish other races felt the same way. They are more into sticking to their own to keep their race going than us. I don’t see any white woman writing a book about how other white women need to be more open to black men and understand love is love. The main reason black women started dating outside in the first place was because we felt like there are not good enough black men. Then, black men said black women were too crazy for them. What about we have more good black men fit into what you just described.
    
    P.S My comment is directed at black men than black women.
Gull

The issue i have with Christelyn and her rabid followers is that they are so hypocritical they cant even see the forest for the trees. I fully agree with the premise that true loves can be colorblind, but she and her followers seem to focus extensively on color, as long as its not black males, all the while suggesting they are open minded and colorblind.

The second issue I have is they complain about the disrespect and lack of true acceptance they get from black males, but yet they loudly advocate seeking men of other races who reject them at a higher percentage than black males. That seems so ironic.

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