Frank and His Odd Future: Why His Coming Out Is Cool, But Also Very Complicated

July 5th, 2012 - By Charing Ball

Source: touchfm.org

In fact, Tyler is pretty much obsessed with hating women, as evident by his constant references to “ black b***hes” and rape as evinced by his profound proclamation of inspiration,  “We go skate, rape sluts, and eat donuts from Randy’s.” Genius, right? Besides raping slores, Tyler also fantasizes in his song “Transylvania” about getting his hands on an “all beige suit made out of white women” and proudly proclaiming that he does “punch bitches” on BSD which stands for B***h Suck D**k.  No, that’s the actual song’s title.

Tyler isn’t the only member of Odd Future with a questionable rapport. Last year Left Brain was accused of smacking a female photographer at a concert in Louisiana. And Syd tha Kyd, the group’s only woman and other openly gay member, has been under a lot of scrutiny lately for her crew’s misogynistic tendencies. In one interview, she too proclaims her penchant for smacking b***hes and in another interview, justifies her and her crewmates’ usage of the homophobic slur “f****t” by saying, “when Tyler says ‘f****t,’ he’s not referring to gays, he’s referring to lame people. And in our vocabulary, that’s what the word ‘f****t’ means. I’m not offended by the word ‘f****t’ — and I am one.”

She has also raised eyebrows as well as garnered criticism for saying people like Alicia Keys and Queen Latifah need to come out of the closet, and for her music video to the song “Cocaine.” In the video, Syd is on a date with a young woman in an amusement park. The two are high off of something (my guess is cocaine) and eventually the girl passes out in Syd’s truck. Being the gentlewoman that she is, Syd throws her out – literally – and drives off while the girl, possibly dead, is left unconscious on the ground.

Tyler excuses much of his group’s harsh lyricism and antics by suggesting that “people take things too seriously.” Maybe so. Maybe the group’s style of music is meant to be unabashedly shocking in order to expose both the hypocrisies and the ironies of our political correctness. I also haven’t been too keen on how hip-hop has been painted with the more homophobic and/or sexist brush than the rest of society. I think that’s because the black community is more abrupt, and honest, about our feelings – even when it is not the most politically correct way of saying it. Likewise, it’s easy to point out the vicious hateful bile, which exists in lots of popular rap music or suggests that the genre as a whole is obsessed with money cars and b***hes than it is to acknowledge that our very own Western society was built upon and pretty much is still governed by the patriarchal capitalistic power structure, which rules us all.

Let’s be real here: it ain’t black folks in the ‘hoods of America bumping Odd Future. Outside of the alternative, blipster (black hipster) throng, Odd Future’s core demographic are the suburban white middle-class kids, who probably get intoxicating adrenaline rushes each time the group utters something remotely violent and against the norm to their middle class backgrounds – just as they once did with Marilyn Manson, Johnny Cash and the Ramones.

This doesn’t mean that the group’s internalized misogyny, homophobia and possible racism doesn’t disturb me. It’s hard to listen to those lyrics and find anything redeeming about them. But, it also speaks to the complexity of being a person, who exists at the three-stop intersection between race, gender and sexuality. None of the members of the group are saying outright that they hate women. Likewise, this is a group with not one but now two openly gay and/or bisexual members. Ironically, Ocean, who came into game as an artist on Def Jam, has praised Odd Future for liberating him and helping him realize how important it is to stay true to himself within the music industry. And besides Russell Simmons, it was his crew members including Tyler the Creator, who were among the first to publicly throw their support behind Ocean, even going as far as to denounce anyone who had a problem with Ocean’s sexuality -then they ragged on him with a bunch of gay jokes.

It is possible for members of one, or even several, marginalized groups to be self-loathing and embody the same sort of hate-filled posturing in order to propel themselves up into the ranks of society? But it is also possible that folks within these marginalized groups have chosen to exercise their right to navigate within their own moral metric system and determine what is and what is not offensive without the rest of us trying to attach our own ethical code of who or what they should be.

It’s the reason why Puerto Rican Fat Joe can paradoxically declare: “Niggas is gay So What?,” before going on about a gay mafia.  Human beings, in general, are full of many contradictions. And it is that same dichotomy in Frank Ocean and Odd Future that can lead folks to believe that he is a hero for “coming out” and yet, by being affiliated with people who embrace the f-word, be a perpetrator of some of the same ill treatment of others all in the same breath.

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  • WhoMe

    He cant sing. Stick to songwriting please.

  • http://blackonpurpose.blogspot.com/ gryph

    it isn’t so much that people are so complicated and contradictory, it is just that they get that way when they use shock as a means to get attention and generate sales. the complexity is created as they do whatever they think will benefit them at a given moment. opportunism creates layers.

  • On_Point

    Good! At least he is not Down Low anymore, I wish more DL men and women will come out b/c living that lifestyle is dangerous for all parties.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kevinferere Kevin Ferere

    You wrote a whole thesis on Tyler and lyrics but it’s supposed to be about Frank. #cmonson :/

  • http://www.facebook.com/kevinferere Kevin Ferere

    You wrote a whole thesis on Tyler and his lyrics, but it’s supposed to be about Frank. #cmonson :/

  • mbutterflii

    I thought that homosexual meant you actually have.sex which he never said happened all he said was he fell in love with a man nothing physical or maybe I’m.just crazy

    • BabaPuppe

      No, sexual orientation (hetero, homo, bi) is not about who you sleep with or have sex with. You didn’t have to have sex with a man (assuming you’re straight and female) to know you were attracted to men, that was just a natural response to the guy you ended up loving.

  • FromUR2UB

    Never heard of him, his band or their music. But, now he makes news for announcing that he likes the dangle. ..when he’s about to release new music. Courageous? This is just a manifestation of talk show /reality TV culture, where people reveal everything about themselves to an audience who didn’t know the difference before.

    • BabaPuppe

      Again, the letter talking about his summer love (crush) in ’08 was going to be in Channel Orange, however because some people wanted to know why he had used the terms “he” and “him” in 2-3 of his songs instead of “she” and “her” (which eventually bought up some animosity), Frank decided to go ahead and put everything out on the table.

      • FromUR2UB

        Well, thanks for the background.

  • StephLuv

    I’m glad he feels free, can’t imagine walking this earth now being able to express myself. Doesn’t matter to me, love your music, looking forward to 7*17*12.

  • Staci B

    Never heard of this group before this article. Shocking…is the only word I can use! Frank Ocean came out as gay not bisexual…not that I care though!

  • hiya

    Is this his beautiful smile 19 year old lover???? Why is he dating Dewayne Wayne from A Different World? #fail SN: Im so tired of all this gay stuff too

    • Justsaying

      There are gay people in the world too GET USE TO IT

      • hiya

        I don’t have to get used to anythig cuzIm not laying up with them, hope they get used to themselves they seem to be having all the coming out issues. I’m chilling.

  • Trisha_B

    I don’t think he should have to explain himself to anybody. I don’t explain why i’m a straight. You are who you are. But i loved his letter tho. I love his music & that’s all that matters. Just continue to make good music Frank. He did say in his song We all try “…I believe that marriage isn’t between a man & woman, but Between love & love.” I guess he’s been leaving hints in his music all along. I can’t stand tyler the Creator. i never understood why Frank would be in a group w/ him. he’s so ignorant its crazy

  • YeaIsAiDIT!

    This is dumb, if Cent penned a letter talking about how straight he is and when he was 19 he kissed a girl on a Ferry Ride to Queens we would be like STFU…..so to you Frank Ocean, kiss on who you want to kiss on and STFU!!!!

    • Mary

      How ignorant of a response. Straight rappers/ R&B singers don’t have to pen a letter about being straight because they can express it anyway they want without backlash. Straight performers have been flaunting their sexuality forever with music videos and sexually suggestive material so to belittle someone who has the courage to come out in an industry where there is virtually NO ONE else that has done so is VERY IMPORTANT. People who belittle another persons courage to express who they are CAN HAVE SEVERAL SEATS!

      • Mrsadkiah

        THANK YOU!

      • YeaIsAiDiT!

        Boo hooo hooo cry me freaking river. You make a “decision” to like men and all of a sudden you are the bold and courageous lion of the jungle. Get out of here, he likes ping….me too!

  • ….

    I don’t care that he’s gay. What bothers me about this is Odd Future themselves. It’s very disappointing that this is the direction people are going in, with so much hatred towards women and self-hatred towards one’s own race. So how am I supposed to turn around and commend one of their members for coming out??? They say/act like it’s no big deal but it’s so destructive and damaging, not just to them but to the race itself. So ridiculous how his people rip women to shreds or make racist comments, but in this situation we’re expected to be understanding of him because he’s being “brave”. It’s a funny world we live in.

    • Love_Your_Smile

      You took the words right out of my mouth… That Tyler character -who they consider to be their leader- is extremely disturbing to me. And for Frank to accept his ridiculously derogatory comments about any person or group disturbs me as well. Good for him that he’s come to terms with the person that he really is… But then again, has he really done so if he considers someone who speaks so negatively about people like him a friend? Anyways, I hope he finds peace within.

      • JaneDoe

        Yeah Tyler is a odd one.. I won’t say anymore b/c I will get chastized..

    • yoyodre

      he didn’t say he was gay though

  • Ki

    My thing is why do people have to announce their sexuality. He makes great music and that is all that matters. I don’t go announcing I’m straight, I’m black (even tho Im really bright), or I’m a nurse. Just be a good person and continue your craft.

    • JustMe

      I agree. When he announced it, I thought it was courageous but I also thought why should he have to announce it and explain it to anyone. Maybe someone was going to try and blackmail or extort him behind it. Who knows. God knows we have seen enough of these tell alls and with that prior relationship, I am sure someone would have come from nowhere to capitalize on his success. Im sure he felt liberated by his admission and from the responses from people. Here’s to hoping we can one day become a society where explanations like these are not warranted.

    • BabaPuppe

      He only ‘announced’ it because people were attacking and questioning him about why instead of “she” and “her” he used the terms “he” and “him” in two or three of his songs… People were going to find out why when/if they bought Channel Orange (based on his summer love), but since they found out beforehand he decided to come out with everything.

    • CocoB

      Right on correct point. I love Frank ocean his music is Good. I don’t believe they was any need for this letter. What is the world coming too? everyone announcing what sexuality. He should have just focus on making good music and putting any messages in his music and people can read into that. Slightly disappointed.

    • Mrsadkiah

      *sigh* This is one of the most ignorant comments I’m sick of seeing straight people make, and yes I’m straight. You don’t announce that you’re straight because it’s considered normal or the “default” sexuality. You sound just like White people who have a problem with us calling ourselves AFRICAN American (telling us to “pick one”) and having things such as BET and the NAACP when they don’t have the equivalent, it’s because they have never had and wont ever have need for the equivalent. No, homosexuals don’t HAVE to announce that they’re gay or come out but doing so is them standing up and letting the world know that in this society which finds them disgusting, abnormal and an abomination they’re not afraid to be themselves. Especially in the Black community and in this new hyper-masculine and hyper sexual R&B genre (don’t know why people keep saying hip hop). It’s saying something for a man to not be afraid to let people know he’s bi. Check your privilege before you make comments like this.

      • Ki

        I will make whatever comment I like. And by the likes I got on my comment I see I am not the only one who feels this way. I was just the one to type it.
        Isn’t that the sole purpose of a comment box? To see different opinions

        • Mrsadkiah

          I know you’re not the only one who feels that way, that is more straight people not checking and understanding their privilege, having a popular opinion doesn’t make it the right one. I never told you NOT to comment. I never told you not to express your opinion. I simply told you why you’re wrong for what you said and that you need to check your privilege before you make such a comment because if you had you would be educated enough not to make such an ignorant statement.

          • Ki

            That’s your opinion. I have mine. I’m ignorant because we don’t agree? You sound ignorant. Nobody should have to announce their sexuality. Actually no one should announce their business period. I’m done with you. People like you try to force people to change their opinions because they don’t agree smh.

            • Mrsadkiah

              I’m not trying to force you to change your opinon. Not once did I say “think differently Ki”. You’re statement and the way you think about this issue is ignorant, I never said you were ignorant as a person. You are right no one HAS to announce their sexuality. However homosexuals do so because of the heteronormative culture we live in. You saying “I don’t go around announcing I’m straight” is incredibly ignorant for reasons I have already explained. People only say no one SHOULD announce their business when it’s something viewed as negative. When someone is telling everyone that they’re about to get married or have a baby, this is their business but no one will say “why are you telling all of your business?” because it is viewed as positive. Again, check and understand your privilege to prevent yourself from making such an ignorant statement again.

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