Let’s Talk, Ladies: Are You Afraid Of The “S” Word?

June 24th, 2012 - By Jazmine Denise Rogers

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Let’s say it together: submission. For years its been said that black women are too strong, too controlling, too aggressive, too manipulative. On the other hand, we hear white women constantly praised in the media by comedians and rappers alike for being the exact opposite. While comedians aren’t the ones who should be taken seriously, you can guarantee that there is some truth behind every “LOL”. What it seems to all come down to is the issue of submissiveness. It appears that the common perception is that black women have a hard time to being submissive to the men they are in relationships with. Now, I’m sure some will argue to the death that a woman submitting to her man is a very old fashioned concept; however, the truth of the matter is that it is the natural order of things for men to be leaders and head of their households.

We’ve all witnessed the controlling woman who acts as her man’s mother as opposed to his partner. We’ve also witnessed manipulative woman who snatches her guy’s manhood away by constantly belittling him. Then, there’s the more normal woman who has her own, can do for herself and doesn’t “need” a man for anything. But is the problem really that black women don’t want to be submissive? Over the years submissiveness has been pegged as a sign of weakness and in the twenty-first century the last thing that women want is to be pegged as “weak”. Or,  is it that they cannot be submissive because so many men have proven themselves unworthy or unreliable?  I mean, no one wants to follow or submit to a person who will lead them down a path of destruction. Possibly it is because of this that many of us were never given then opportunity to learn what it means to allow a man to take the lead. Many can attest to having watched their mothers assume the roles of both dad and mom, nurturer and protector, homemaker and provider so when the times comes for they themselves to share those roles and responsibilities with a man, they are unable to. I remember sitting there mortified as my mom, my aunt and I sat around shooting the breeze one day and my aunt divulged details of my parents’ wedding that  I had never heard before. Apparently during the exchanging of vows it was my mother’s turn and all was well until she got to the point where she was supposed to vow to “love, honor, and obey”. The entire wedding party, the reverend, the wedding guests, and my dad stood there stunned as she refused to repeat those three words. My heart sank as I thought about my dad standing there in his white tux with beads of sweat forming on his forehead as his new bride found difficulty in promising to honor and obey him. Granted, my parents got married pretty young, twenty-one years old to be exact. So, I’m sure maturity had something to do with it. But, I just had to know truth. My curiosity had gotten the best of me. “Ma, why didn’t you just say it?” I asked one day. “I don’t know, Jaz. I really thought they had taken that part out of the vows,” she replied. Now I’ll admit, promising to love, honor, and obey in front of a church full of family and friends is the ultimate act of submission. Well, maybe not the love part, but honor and obey part… absolutely. When I reflect on my grandmother’s relationship with my grandfather, however, I can totally understand my mom’s reluctancy to repeat those words after the reverend. There was never that example there of what it looks like for a wife to submit to her husband because my grandfather was rarely ever there.

Throughout history black women have been forced to bear many burdens, which is why many of us are so strong-willed and independent, something in which we shouldn’t be apologetic about. We were built strong to last long, but maybe it is a matter of having character of multiple dimensions. Maybe it is about knowing when to take charge and when to follow the leadership of another, when to be “hard” and when to be “soft”.

Sound off ladies: Do you think black women have issues with being submissive ? Should women even submit to men at all? 

Jazmine Denise is a New York City based Lifestyle & Relationship writer. Follow her on Twitter @jazminedenise

 

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1089223111 Angelo Sherman

    You are right!!!! The US government final sees this stereotype.Women are now required to fight on the front lines.I wonder though why God used all these men in the Bible to do his will?I wonder why Adam was created first? Why was men given responsibilities??? Why? Why? Why? Anyway have a nice day.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1089223111 Angelo Sherman

    The Bible,if you believe that it was written by God,says this. It also requires a man to “love,honor and cherish” his wife,like his own body.2 Captains can’t run the ship,for smooth sailing.We have one President and One vice President in the U.S.A. When dating ,that’s the time when you figure out that you got a potential mutiny on your hands.The White woman’s lib movement from the 60s is what snared our community. A woman that can ‘do it all’ will be by herself doing it all.

  • BerKneeMac

    Let’s keep it real. Subconsciously, women don’t respect submissive men. Submission, by a man, is tantamount to emasculation. Men should love their wives, treat them with respect and not abuse them. Submit? Never! The “Yes Dear” type of man is universally derided as a Pu$$i Whopped wimpy little boy. Submission is a bad word for either man or woman to use. Woman shouldn’t submit to a man, rather she should find a man she can love, respect and trust and display those traits as much as possible. Rather then submit, just be a happy woman and do things that will make your man happy as well. Your natural feminine demeanor will come out as a result and you won’t become a mouthy, controlling, pants wearing monster so many American women have become.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1089223111 Angelo Sherman

      …So many black women have become.Chinese women,Latino ,white women can be submissive. When you see a black woman with a white guy ,you can bet she submissive like a big dog.$$$$

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  • SOPHIA

    Wow, this is just utter BS. I’m never “submitting” to a man, and my man is never going to “submit” to me! WE’RE PEOPLE! NOT SLAVES!

  • http://www.facebook.com/ruthlesamoanlvr Barbara Smith

    I have long held that the main problem in our community is us, black women! when were any of us taught to be partners? Remember the saying “mamma baby pappas maybe”? we have never how to be partners> The secular word for submission is TRUST! Sisters have drank ALL OF THE KOOL-AID when it comes to pointing the finger at the woes of Black men! Yes ladies, while the media was portraying them as murderers, pimps and thieves, we quietly didnt point out that thes same men were raised by black women! It is the same mentality in church! The pastor is a man but everuthing else is all female! We will start finding husbands hen we learn to accept responsibility for our community the way we do our church and hair!

  • Just a thought..

    I have nothing to prove. I’m guy who could do well with ladies if I chose to but I’ve been with my wife coming up on ten great years. I’d marry her again right now, partly because she just dope like that, another part is because I see whatz goin on in the single pool and I think itz to many women and men more stuck in there own ego. Ego destroys pretty much anything commitment could possibly build so thatz a problem if you want something out any relationship (friends, family, co-workers, or neighbors). People don’t have a problem with relationships, people have problems with theirselves. A relationship is a thing. A person can get hurt if they use anything wrong.

  • Carla Kah

    I agree with you Kel

  • Carla Kah

    I just came out of the FIRST relationship where I worked hard on being my best SELF. I kept an eye on what my partner’s qualities and strengths where and I let him be himself. For the first time I can honestly say that I did not attempt in any way to CHANGE him. Everything we did we first discussed and it wasn’t about always getting my way. I am more financially stable than him but I did not ever throw that in his face. I showed understanding because he was about to graduate and was working hard on achieving his goals. I am 26 and I have been in a few long term relationships before this guy (approx. 4 yrs and twice 2 yrs) and NEVER had I been confronted with the fact that I was not as affectioned, patient, kind, understanding, supportive and loyal as I could have been all those years. A good balance in a relationship starts with TWO people putting in their balanced 50%. I started the relationship with the statement and promise to myself to value him by who HE was instead of by the assumptions about Black Men based on BAD PAST EXPERIENCES. The result was a beautiful relationship where the man couldn’t see HIMSELF lead because he couldn’t (yet)handle the responsibilities he KNEW, UNDERSTOOD and BELIEVED a mature man should carry in order to build a HOUSEHOLD. It was hard for me to accept and realize that this man was in fact being mature by being honest about what his capabilities are at the moment. But when I did, I realized how much I’ve underestimated the existence of good men. We decided to give eachother the space to continue working on our goals and who knows what the future brings. But the fact that this man, “manned up” after getting the opportunity to, shows me that not only can I not generalize all men (not even the ones I’ve been with) but I cannot generalize my relationships either. You grow as a person, a woman and not only a man can be intolerable . I found out that because this is the first relationship where it was a partnership with two people investing from the start, being open, honest and truely “into eachother” from the start, and the very first relationship where I wasn’t controlling and patronizing from the start, I must conclude that this is the first relationship that I can count as the one where I and my partner really put in the REQUIRED work. So it is the first I can count as an experience worth taking with me. The rest are lessons learned but this was a leap forward. If you don’t enter a new relationship with a new and fresh attitude, whatever you drag in will unneccesarily taint or ruin your relationship. Yes we Black WOMEN AND MEN have been scarred by diffrent social, economic, mental, spiritual and in some cases physical struggles that are partially a human process and in some cases a process we are nearly forced in due to the heritage that comes with the colour of our skin. But I say : “I am not my mother”. We can all rise above it through self-reflection, self-evaluation and goalsetting. You are human being. Use your brain, your common sense . It is what seperates us from animals: REASON. I found a way to step off the racial victim role and take a hard look at my responsibility to be a mature and reasonable woman. A fair life was never promised, but we can dedicate ourselves to love ourselves and work for any fairness we can EARN. #Tomata (LINGALA for let’s climb up). Another lesson I have learned is; “A good man isn’t automatically your right man”. Once you’ve managed to only allow good men (men with integrity and the intention to have a true balanced and real relationship with you) it still might take a while before you find one that is compatible and a romantic match. Weeding out the boys, bad guys and clowns makes that search a lot less clouded. I am happy with this article because it shows certain aspects I agree with (a relationship is a partnership) and parts I do not agree with (leading comes natural to men). Leadership is a skill you either have talent for or have had the priviledge to learn. But it is not gender-specific. It is an important and rare personality trait. Please people believe this. And timing is of the ssence. Young women are often very much more mature than their male peers. A good boy can become a good man but as long as you only want a man you need to let that boy become a man on his own terma, and that might not be happening with you by his side because he is not on your level. Anyway I’ve made my points so…

    • Jeanette

      I totally agree with you about all good men not being the right man. That happened to me and I kept telling myself that I should be with this man because good men were hard to come by but the thought of being with him long term made me unhappy because I knew that I was not romantically compatible with him and there was noemotional connection. He was a just a good man just not the man for me. More fit to just be a good friend.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1089223111 Angelo Sherman

        How long did it take to figure that out?

  • Ethycks

    I think when women are prepared to be criticized for decisions they make the same way they criticize men when they make decisions for the household then things will be equal. In my experience women want men to make decisions so they can’t be blamed for why things go wrong. How many times do men ask, “Where do you want to go eat?” only to get, “I don’t care you decide.” You can’t pick and choose when you want to submit. Being the head of the household is difficult. A man needs a woman who is going to support not be critical of every decision made.

    • Carla Kah

      I agree. A man has needs so does a woman. It’s about finding a middle.

  • ma

    Natural order for men to lead? That is pure BS. Trying to stuff someone into a role solely based on gender is idiotic and a big reason why so many relationships fail. Look for a partner and take turns leading. Nobody needs to be the submissive one all the time. That is dated psychology. Move On

    • SOPHIA

      Finally! Thank you!!!

  • gracie

    If I am working 8 hours a day and paying bills just like a man would, I don’t see any reason to be submissive. If am man plays his role as a man I sure will play mine as woman.

  • Adrina

    Also, I think women have a hard time submitting to men because some black don’t understand that there’s a fine line between a leader and a dictator. Abusing their power to cheat, lie and scheme

    • Jeanette

      Adrina, men don’t have any power…if they do it’s the power that women give to them to do what they do.

  • Adrina

    As far as black women being too independent and blah blah blah…we have to be. How many of us are single parents? Grew up with no fathers? And for white women, society makes it easy for them to just live in general. Who gets the promotion over us? If people would actually step in a black woman’s shoes, they’ll understand the aggression we have sometimes that’s mainly stemmed from not having our BLACK MEN, FATHERS, ETC around. So who really needs to step up and lead.
    As far as submission go, I must say you don’t earn submission. If you’re willing to marry a man, then he should have proven at this point that he’s earned it, not after marriage. Second, I don’t mind submitting to a man who’s an actual leader. But some men know nothing about that and will lead you and your family to nowhere. That’s bc they either never saw it or was never taught it. Third, men should submit to women in some ways. Women are domestic (should be lol), men should leave that to the woman. It’s all how that couple works it out too. And ladies, you may not need a man for everything, but you do need a man for something. Don’t fool yourself!!! And I’m only talking about a good man, no one needs the riff raff lol

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