Ask a Very Smart Brotha: Dating the Ex’s Friend & Waiting for His Libido

May 30th, 2012 - By madamenoire

Dear Damon,

I was in a … on and off again relationship with a guy PJ. We were young when we first met, started off as friends, then eventually fell for each other. We tried the dating thing 3 times. Each time he broke my heart over the same girl. The last time this happened was in 2010 , and I finally told him I’m done, don’t contact me any more & move on. I am over him & doing great.  Thing is I am very cool with his best friend Taylor, who recently (over the past year) has been trying to be in a relationship with me. Now Taylor has always been a big cheerleader of me & PJ’s relationship. I never thought anything about it. I knew he was the one always telling PJ  ”She’s a good women, you need to keep her” and “PJ stop messing this up with her you got a keeper.” I always thought he just saw me as real cool and was trying to make PJ see what he saw. Anyways I told him that we could never date, that it would be inappropriate (several times) and change the subject. Well now I’m starting to have feelings for him. Thing is while me & PJ were complete opposites me and Taylor are on the same page and have so much in common. Tay is college educated and going back to school to continue his education and is a big supporter of me getting my masters degree, Tay has a relationship with the lord and even volunteered to go to church with me when none of my girls can make it (my church is 1 hr away & he makes the ride with me), he is romantic and wants to settle down, he makes me laugh and is very attentive, he is respectful of my vow of celibacy till marriage….he is basically what I’m looking for. But isn’t it a bit taboo to date an ex’s friend? I keep saying ” no that would be wrong” when i think about it, but is it worth throwing away a perfectly amazing man to not cross any lines or step on my ex’s toes? So what do you think? Is it never worth it to date an ex’s friend? Or should we as grown people get over these so called “dating rules’ and see where love takes us?

Sincerely,

Ethics or Heart?

Dear Ethics or Heart,

As I’ve grown older, there have been many lessons I’ve learned — nuggets of wisdom picked up while attempting to navigate through life. Some of these nuggets represent lost hope. (“Regardless of how hot the first single is, never get excited for a Common album because it’ll disappoint you.”) Some represent attempts to preserve my life (“Never date women from Cincinnati.”) And some, well, some are just me learning that things I thought to be true actually aren’t.

Most dating and relationship “rules” fall under that last category. While I understand why many of these rules are in place, life has shown them to be arbitrary, unreliable, and, ultimately, self-defeating. “You can’t date a friend of your ex” is one of these rules.

In your situation, this “rule” has actually created a level of angst that could potentially sabotage your happiness. Everything you’re saying about Taylor sounds good, but you’re letting a concept that was probably first devised by some caveman drunk off of mammoth blood affect how you plan to proceed.

Also, even if the “don’t date an ex’s friend” rule was a rule that needed to always be followed, your situation wouldn’t qualify. Your “ex” isn’t even an ex…just a guy you had an unrequited thing for. It’s not like y’all ninjas were married or anything.

Now, there are situations where it’s probably not a good idea to date an ex’s friend — i.e.: your ex’s friend is married to your sister — but those situations are more about common sense and human decency than anything else. Forget about that stupid rule and be happy that you found the one 20-something man in the country aside from Tim Tebow who’d be ok with dating a celibate woman.

Sincerely,

Damon Young

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=551680935 Eric McDaniel

    I have lived in more than a few cities and I have to agree with Champ- women in Cincinnati are the hardest to deal with out of all the cities I’ve lived.

  • msjb

    I had the same thing happen between myself and my child father.
    I lost all of the baby weight and gained some assets lol along the way. But he
    still wasn’t trying to touch me. I cried, begged, seduced. An eventually I
    cheated. I couldn’t take it anymore and needed to feel the touch of a man.
    While I never got caught I began to resent him for making me feel unwanted and
    neglecting me. We are still together 3 years later and nothing has changed
    except my feelings towards him. I still love him, but this whole situation has
    caused me fall out of love with him.

    So please talk to him and
    then give him a time limit and then leave. I am giving you the advice that my therapist
    gave me. So I created a time line nothing has changed and I am moving July 1st.
    I feel bad for my daughter, but I refuse to be miserable in my own home.

  • bigdawgman

    The friend thing is between the guy and your ex.  Some people stick real strong to the rule, but others such as myself, think it’s overblown.  The friend should ask the ex if it’s okay, if he’s unsure.  Or dump the ex as a friend.  If he’s a true friend (sounds like a buster to me though) he’ll be a grownup and not be bothered by it.

    I think I’ve heard that sometimes after a baby, men see the woman as a “mother figure”, and lose sexual interest.  He needs counseling.  If he won’t seek it, you need to split up with him amicably. Sex is important in a monogamous relationship.   I hate to bring it up, but dude isn’t stepping out, is he?  Sounds real suspicious… I hope I’m wrong.

  • guest

    For the woman in the sexless relationship, I went through the very same thing with my ex. After our first child, it seemed like a switch was flipped inside him and he no longer had any desire for sex. Sixteen years later and he is still the same way. I stuck around for 14 more years before I decided I had enough begging, crying, talking, yelling, and fighting. If he refuses to seek help, move on. You will only build up resentment and anger, and it will destroy your sense of self worth and any self confidence you might have. I thought my ex was my soul mate and we would be together forever. Yes, we did have more than one child, but thats basically because I forced him to have sex. It was mercy sex………Dont hang in there too long if he isnt willing to get help or address the issue. 

  • Lisa Rawlings

    Interesting…I never new there was a “rule” about dating your ex’s friends.  Maybe it’s uncomfortable, but you’re all adults.  Have a conversation about it and move on.  Now…dating one of your friend’s exes…that’s a problem.

    On the libido problem…I’m guessing they’ve talked about it honestly.  If not, that’s problem number one.  Again…you’re both adults.  Talk about it honestly and gently.  It could be he’s afraid of having another baby….but you won’t find out if you don’t talk about it.  Plus, what’s the problem with initiating?  Men take the risk all of the time.  Take the risk of trying to seduce him every once in a while :)

  • Lisa Rawlings

    Interesting…I never new there was a “rule” about dating your ex’s friends.  Maybe it’s uncomfortable, but you’re all adults.  Have a conversation about it and move on.  Now…dating one of your friend’s exes…that’s a problem.

    On the libido problem…I’m guessing they’ve talked about it honestly.  If not, that’s problem number one.  Again…you’re both adults.  Talk about it honestly and gently.  It could be he’s afraid of having another baby….but you won’t find out if you don’t talk about it.  Plus, what’s the problem with initiating?  Men take the risk all of the time.  Take the risk of trying to seduce him every once in a while :)

  • RM

    As a woman from Cincinnati, I resent that!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=551680935 Eric McDaniel

      Haha!

  • Doyougurl

    Gurl dump that zero and get you a hero.  I probably won’t do it because when i end things with a man, its over with i want no part of him , friends or his family. He is officially deleted out of my life. However, in this situation  i don’t see why she can’t date him. However, i bet you that ex- will get really jealous of you and him being happy together and he may sabotage things so watch out!

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