Is a Book Called “Swirling” Really Necessary?

April 27th, 2012 - By Christelyn Karazin

Today is my 10-year wedding anniversary. It’s been a wild ride, but I can’t help but poke my tongue out and thumb my nose at some of the folks at my wedding who thought we wouldn’t last 10 months. I remember walking down the aisle;  to the left of me was my family, mostly brown faces. To my right was my soon-to-be husband’s parents and extended family, white as rice.

The walk between the crowd was like parting the sea on a black sandy beach bubbling over with sea foam. Amidst all the butterflies in my belly, I thought about the chance online encounter that connected us, the family drama, and leaps of faith it took to get me to this place, looking ahead at my future husband, a wonderful, handsome man that I almost didn’t marry because he happened to be white.

There were dozens of times our marriage might not have happened. Like the time my well-meaning cousin told me that no family of my husband’s class would accept him having a black women raised by country Texas folks with an out-of-wedlock daughter. Ten years my senior, she recalled vividly (as evidence) her long-term relationship with a Jewish man that crashed and burned when his parents outright told her boyfriend that he’d be disowned if the thought of matrimony crossed his mind.

The second time our union could have vanished into vapor involved my own personal “Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner” moment when I visited his parents in a swanky Connecticut town and felt so uncomfortable and out of place that I hid in the guestroom and cried for an hour.

We broke up three times, and got back together three times. The third time my husband realized that he didn’t give a damn what anyone thought and put a ring on it on the evening of September 11, 2001–the day the Twin Towers were obliterated by terrorists hell-bent on indiscriminately killing all Americans, regardless of race, color, or creed. I of course said yes, because after two years of dating, I couldn’t have cared two figs about what people thought about us. It was gonna be me and him–the hell with what the world might think. Nothing like a catastrophic event to put things into perspective.

My experience in the only serious interracial relationship I’d ever had was so full of ups and downs, hilarity and absurdity, with the source of all the stress boiling down to something simultaneously small and huge, trivial and profound as a difference in the level of melanin.  I wondered out loud, “How many other black women worry about this sh&$!?”

So many times I wished I’d had a confidant to prepare me for the challenges I might face, going in–sort of like a “What to Expect When You’re Expecting” for interracial couples. I didn’t see it on the bookshelves–nothing even close. That’s how “Swirling: How to Date, Mate and Relate Mixing Race, Culture and Creed” was born.

 

I was determined not to write another naval-gazing compilation about why 70% of black women are single, or how black women should lower their standards, be better, do better, act better, or be forced kicking and screaming into doing something they didn’t want to do. “Swirling” isn’t a book about convincing black women to do anything. It’s about what black women should know after they’ve decided to date a rainbeau.

Some people think the whole “interracial thing” should be given a rest, or that these stories and books are unnecessary. I’d have to disagree. Census data, released just yesterday, indicate that interracial marriage is up 28% since 2000–an all time high in the United States. But statistics don’t always tell the whole story, do they?

The term, “interracial” is wide-sweeping, and could refer to a motley of racial combinations. But the global rise doesn’t mean America is colorblind, or that there isn’t some sort of minority hierarchy when it comes to intermixing. For a variety of reasons, black women are dead last when it comes to mixed-race pairing. My research and numerous interviews revealed that the reasons have less to do with black women’s desirability across color lines (yes ladies, white guys think you’re HOT!!), and more to do with a lack of exposure and access. There’s a ridiculous amount of black women who believe that other races simply aren’t interested or just want some “jungle booty.” There’s a lot of stereotypes happening on both ends of the melanin spectrum, so perhaps more than ever, people of all races need to know what to expect before and after they walk down the aisle, if they so choose.

Christelyn Karazin is the co-author of “Swirling: How to Date, Mate and Relate Mixing Race, Culture and Creed” (Simon & Schuster/Atria Books) now available for pre-order. She is also the publisher of Beyond Black & White, a blog dedicated to African American women who are interested and/or involved in interracial relationships.

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  • ddh336

    Love it thanks for the article it was very on point and you are absolutely right, it would be nice if there was a guide LOL, but with experience being different… The only advice I received was from my Mom “If your going to date out of your race, at least make sure that you always look your best when out in public, people are going to stare don’t give them nothing to talk about,” and “If you can’t go to their house they can’t come to mine”.. mind you this is back in the early 90′s times have changed..or have they.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1188505509 Claryssa Burroughs

    Dear Christelyn, I loved the article and I totally believe that it is necessary to write a book such as this. It would have helped me when I first started liking boys and dating. I have lived in a prominently Caucasian town on the corner of PA, OH and WV and that was generally my dating pool. It would have helped me sort out any worries and/or thoughts I had about this. I really did not have anyone to talk to about it, except my mommy. And she, long story short and polite, never had much to say about. Daddy did not know what to say because he is a gent with a daughter. So I am excited to get this book because it is just nice to hear someone else’s experience and perspective on this. Thank you and continued blessings for your marriage! :D

  • Brnsug

    Their is nothing wrong with writing a book , that way people can see the pros and cons about being in a relationship interacially…Of course ask question of your mate…while dating him or her…Find out all the details of his fam as well as hers….

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/LMVI6QGGVLHIAIVA6NXW3SZQWI BROWNIE

    not all whites are racist…while this does happen more often than not…it does not happen all the time…

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/LMVI6QGGVLHIAIVA6NXW3SZQWI BROWNIE

    yep…black men and sista shouljas

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/LMVI6QGGVLHIAIVA6NXW3SZQWI BROWNIE

    oh yes they do

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/LMVI6QGGVLHIAIVA6NXW3SZQWI BROWNIE

    yes they do…otherwise prove it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3EHQVSA365QAAO7CZUYW33EF5M Jonna

    Soooooooo.. You wrote all of this to see if we would buy your book? *confused*

  • Rah Truth

    “Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness…Broad,
    wholesome, charitable views of men and things can not be acquired by
    vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one’s life” ~Mark Twain
     

  • Rah Truth

     How about a book on racial/cultural awareness in general? If everyone wasn’t so afraid to leave their own neighborhoods and comfort zones, an interracial marriage wouldn’t be such a shock.

    • Brnsug

      I dont think its a shock for anyone…its the baggage and backlash of the ordeal that interacial relationship goes thur….with family….issues….being accepted…

  • Brnsug

    Visiting your MAN OR WOMANS…white family in these SMALLS hick towns were the population is 5000 to 9000, 100 percnt white…no blacks,indians,latinos,africans,mixed races of people no were in sight…Its even worst than a big city……Their stuck on stupid!!! and thats putting it lightly,,,lol..

    Their is no holes bored, they dont care how they treat you as a black man or woman..they dont want you with their daughters or sons, and they dont care about your feelings , .Your mate knows they are that way ……and they should of prepared you for the backlash of bullshyt, b/c it is deep..Your mate knows his family and how all of them are…this is a good question??????? when ur dating them……this  behavior goes from generation to generation….That way this will let you know if u should date them at all …..and have to deal with a racist and ignorant family.

    So think real hard before you go their, or investigate or have a conversation with other interacial couples and what they had to deal with before going to far with your white man or woman….

  • Brnsug

    The treatment of your white man or woman family is sometimes ….Something you cant get away from, and they are vocal about it…Its utterly disrespectful when being treated that way but thats how it is with their family…(feeling uncomfortable and out of place that I hid in the guestroom and cried for an hour.) ……Crying about it might of went different with most black women but it would of been some form of drama…They make a peson feel not wanted in their family…they stare at u like your an alien…the treatment is bad from what I hear…..Sometimes I wonder if going thur this type of thing ………….make it worth it in the long run..Some of the family may change, then some may not…But then you would think …what gives them the right to think their better than, or think that your not the right race person for their son or daughter…That is something people has to thing about when dating white…..I see it as a bad experience you dont want in your life….Its totally different from when your man or woman  is black and some family members dont like you…and you have to deal with that….This white dating experience  you will never forget….I dont get why some people do it…..why even go thur that…. 

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/LMVI6QGGVLHIAIVA6NXW3SZQWI BROWNIE

    are you mad about something?

  • In All Honesty

    Talk about a one-trick pony. I bet Karazin would feel like a fish out of water if she had to write about something other than White guys. 

  • Rose

    Yes, we need books on the topic of interracial dating and marriage. If you have not been in on, there is so much to know.  Look how hard it is to get along with a black man, who we may know a little about his culture, but for someone whom we have no idea about his culture except movies or gossip, we need help.  I for one bekieve “white men” would rather kill you than divorce you( my problem). I am jus scared, if we ever argued or he got angry, i might be afraid to go to sleep at nite. Yes, some of us, like me,  need help,  

    • In All Honesty

      “Look how hard it is [for me] to get along with a black man, who [I] may know a
      little about his culture, but for someone whom [I] have no idea about his
      culture except movies or gossip, [I] need help.”

      Fixed that for you.

    • Brnsug

      Getting along with a black guy isnt that bad, understanding, and communicating, having respect for one another …besides him being into u as much as u are into him…….If that doesnt work ….Maybe that person is not for you…Dating a white guy u have to ask all the questions….no matter if the questions seems uncomfortable…better now than later….if u slip and dont …..u will be in love and hurt…b/c of his  family…and wish u never meet him to began with…alot of soul searching to even remain in the relationships…this is raw and ugly.

  • Chanda

    To Shywalkinginfaith10
    I know of plenty of white men that have dated and sometimes married women with kids that aren’t theirs and some of those women were black. And white men only going after thin women is the oldest stereotype. Please, maybe if they’re 16 or so.

    • Shywalkinginfaith10

      Exactly!! And people are acting as if there are not black men with the same thin no children preferences they claim white men have. lol

  • FromUR2UB

    This topic really serves no positive purpose.  It should be left on the web sites or book store shelves for those who wish to seek it out.  It’s divisive, and I believe it’s intended to be.  Seemingly, the whole drive behind it is to get black men and women fighting with each other, and convince each that they have no friends who are black, in the opposite sex. 

    For the black people who wish to date/marry people of other races, go ahead.  No one is trying to stop you.  But why do you need company?  Some of you come to the web site only for interracial dating topics and act like recruiters, then insult anybody who rejects it.  If the a** is greener on the other side, then just be damned happy!  But, it’s kind of hard to believe you are since you can’t accept that some black men and women actually like each other, and are happy with their own.

  • FromUR2UB

    This topic really serves no positive purpose.  It should be left on the web sites or book store shelves for those who wish to seek it out.  It’s divisive, and I believe it’s intended to be.  Seemingly, the whole drive behind it is to get black men and women fighting with each other, and convince each that they have no friends who are black, in the opposite sex. 

    For the black people who wish to date/marry people of other races, go ahead.  No one is trying to stop you.  But why do you need company?  Some of you come to the web site only for interracial dating topics and act like recruiters, then insult anybody who rejects it.  If the a** is greener on the other side, then just be damned happy!  But, it’s kind of hard to believe you are since you can’t accept that some black men and women actually like each other, and are happy with their own.

    • zeti

      this isn’t meant to be divisive, it’s just meant to show black women that they have options outside of black men so that they can quit complaining about black men being in jail, not wanting to get married, not dating black women , etc. it’s just one of many solutions, another option.

      that’s basically it.

      i know that you are an older woman but you need to realise in some parts of the US black men ain’t touching black women with a 10ft pole, those bw cannot move but still want to get married. this may not be what you witness , and that’s ok, it’s just not everyone’s reality.

      • Christelyn Karazin

         Christelyn Karazin here. Thanks everyone for all the input. This is an important topic, and there’s always going to be strong feelings on either side. As I mentioned in my article, this book isn’t about “recruiting” anyone. I’m not in the business of dragging anyone kicking and screaming to do something they don’t want to do. This book is for women who have DECIDED to open their options to ALL men of ALL melanin levels and once and for all, CHOOSE CHARACTER above COLOR. I hope that helps to clear things up.

        • Love_Sexy

          I agree with you 100%.

        • Love_Sexy

          I agree with you 100%.

      • Christelyn Karazin

         Christelyn Karazin here. Thanks everyone for all the input. This is an important topic, and there’s always going to be strong feelings on either side. As I mentioned in my article, this book isn’t about “recruiting” anyone. I’m not in the business of dragging anyone kicking and screaming to do something they don’t want to do. This book is for women who have DECIDED to open their options to ALL men of ALL melanin levels and once and for all, CHOOSE CHARACTER above COLOR. I hope that helps to clear things up.

      • FromUR2UB

        I know that some of you don’t mean it to be divisive.  But look what happens on the web site every time the subject is broached…feuds break out between black men and black women.  It’s unfortunate that many black men and women are so angry with one another, that this topic, along with any dating discussion, throws fuel on the fire.  I deeply feel we need to guard against that.

        I know the marriage prospects look dire for many black women.  This next suggestion may not be very encouraging for women past that stage, but I’ve come to believe that a black woman’s best chance for meeting a black man she might eventually marry, is during college…especially at an HBCU.  This is probably the only time in her life when the pool of available, smart and ambitious men will be its largest.  And, since there’s no pressure to think about marriage while in college, she has time to explore and build friendships with young men.  Just something for parents to think about on behalf of their daughters.  It might benefit parents to put as much thought into their daughter’s marital future, as they do planning for their educations.  Young women should probably do the same, not wait until they feel ready to be married, to start doing things to bring it about.

        • zeti

            “This next suggestion may not be very encouraging for women past that stage, but I’ve come to believe that a black woman’s best chance for meeting a black man she might eventually marry, is during college…especially at an HBCU.  ”

          you know what? i agree with this.

          here is the problem.

          do you remember the “ask a black man ” series , the very last episode about marriage? try and remember the maturity level of those guys who were in their mid-late 20′s (finished college). do you remember what Brannue said in that episode about timing? he said something along the lines of black men want to go to college and get a job and work their way up to a point where they are “the man” , a point where they are getting mad love from women so that they can “play” , and once they are done with that stage they want to marry. and they also told women to be patient for the ring. wait until her man is ready, with all of what that may encompass. this usually means she is waiting until her 30′s. would you advise your daughter to wait?

          and having noted all that do you think most black women would be able to find someone in college? do you know what the ratio is of women to men (black) in college? 

          i know you mean well but there is no running away from the fact that bw might have to seriously consider dating out if they want to get married at all.

          • FromUR2UB

            Well, thirties is still young.  You don’t fully appreciate that until you’ve passed them, though I understand the concerns of women who haven’t yet had children. 

            No experience will produce the same results for everyone, but my daughters are in their mid twenties, and both became engaged within the last seven months to young men they met while in college, who are both graduates of a neighboring HBCU.  Since both are still young, neither daughter has been in a rush to get married; but they’d had discussions with the young men about it, and everyone had decided that he/she was with the person whom they’d marry. 

            As far as waiting for a man to be ready, I think a woman has to ask herself, what is that he’s asking her to wait for.  There’s a big difference between waiting because he wants to save a certain amount of money before marriage, than waiting on one to finish sowing his oats.  It’s really not hard to identify which type he is, either.  All she has to do is examine how he spends his weekends and free time.  What does he talk about?  If a man’s time is consumed by his buddies or going out, a woman had better take a number or move on, because she’s going to be waiting on him for a while.  Even if she does choose to wait until he’s ready, don’t wait idly.  Do something productive, even if that something is just going to the gym.  Work on your next degree.  But keep up your appearance while doing these things.  You’d be surprised at the psychological effect that has on men. 

            Another thing young women should consider is that guys who have a lot of women after them, like athletes for example, enjoy that attention too much to focus on one woman.  Spare yourselves that heartache.

            Both black men and women need to broaden their scope in terms of what a BLACK mate should look like.  If people get a different result when they begin dating whites or other races, maybe it’s because they approached the situation with a different mindset, either allowing that person to be a different personality type than they’re used to, or treating them differently.  Did you marry a white nerd?  There are black nerds.  ???

            It’s a complex issue and there are no simple solutions.  But many people I know who married their college sweethearts, have had pretty good results.  If black women (and men) decide to date and marry someone of another race, just be sure you do it out of love and not spite.  

            • In All Honesty

              Wow. The maturity level of FROMUR2UB is leagues above Zeti’s. I think BW like Zeti should move on, too. I wouldn’t want her. From the sound of things, other BM wouldn’t either.

              BW like FROMUR2UB are beyond precious and I would definitely want to wife her. She’s compassionate, intelligent and rational. Great package. It’s just that simple.

              • FromUR2UB

                Thank you, but I don’t think you give Zeti enough credit.  There is wisdom in her posts.  She and I are different ages and come from different experiences and therefore, our perspectives reflect that.  But despite that, she was very courteous in her responses, and I appreciate that.  She’s a nice young woman.

      • FromUR2UB

        I know that some of you don’t mean it to be divisive.  But look what happens on the web site every time the subject is broached…feuds break out between black men and black women.  It’s unfortunate that many black men and women are so angry with one another, that this topic, along with any dating discussion, throws fuel on the fire.  I deeply feel we need to guard against that.

        I know the marriage prospects look dire for many black women.  This next suggestion may not be very encouraging for women past that stage, but I’ve come to believe that a black woman’s best chance for meeting a black man she might eventually marry, is during college…especially at an HBCU.  This is probably the only time in her life when the pool of available, smart and ambitious men will be its largest.  And, since there’s no pressure to think about marriage while in college, she has time to explore and build friendships with young men.  Just something for parents to think about on behalf of their daughters.  It might benefit parents to put as much thought into their daughter’s marital future, as they do planning for their educations.  Young women should probably do the same, not wait until they feel ready to be married, to start doing things to bring it about.

    • zeti

      this isn’t meant to be divisive, it’s just meant to show black women that they have options outside of black men so that they can quit complaining about black men being in jail, not wanting to get married, not dating black women , etc. it’s just one of many solutions, another option.

      that’s basically it.

      i know that you are an older woman but you need to realise in some parts of the US black men ain’t touching black women with a 10ft pole, those bw cannot move but still want to get married. this may not be what you witness , and that’s ok, it’s just not everyone’s reality.

  • Ebonydiva82

    Congratulations Christelyn on your 10th wedding anniversary and many more to come! I am a fan of your site and its variety. 

  • P Schuyster

    I am white man  married to a beautiful,splendid zimbabwean woman (we have 2 kids). I can tell you honestly  that a lot of us find bw very attractive. There is nothing more appealing to me than a full-figured bantu princess. But marriage is more than looks; it’s about values,character and personality too,i think.

    • Kitsy

      “full-figured bantu princess”? Hmmmm, sounds like you’re fetishizing your own wife. I am in full support of black women opening their hearts and minds to ALL men, however, statements like yours only confirm fears that some white men who pursue black women are doing so because of sexual fixations and are insincere.

      • Coco81

        TBH I’ve found most Americans fetishes each other. Even people of the same race.

        Silly notions like white men only want us for sex is stupid as well, MEN want women for sex and if you look at black men and how many marries black women who really want to use black women for sex?!

      • Niquenique45

        Since the caveman days, racial variance has always been attractive. People are naturally inclined to like exotic looking mates so that there will be a lot of variation, and the human race can continue to thrive. Your ass, and P Schuyster both find exotic people eye catching. Why do you think a person with light brown skin and green eyes seems attractive than someone with white skin and green eyes? Because the former is more exotic and more appealing.

      • Niquenique45

        Since the caveman days, racial variance has always been attractive. People are naturally inclined to like exotic looking mates so that there will be a lot of variation, and the human race can continue to thrive. Your ass, and P Schuyster both find exotic people eye catching. Why do you think a person with light brown skin and green eyes seems attractive than someone with white skin and green eyes? Because the former is more exotic and more appealing.

      • Amina

         …as opposed to black men who constantly use black women for sex and sperm receptacles? Or look at white, Latina, and Asian and think they’re “easy”??? 

        Epic FAIL.

    • MirmiP

      You sound ignorant the bantu people are native to Namibia and South Africa. If your wife is from Zimbabwe she would be from the Shona or Ndebele tribe. You lack character and seem to have fallen for a fetish rather than a person.

      • Amina

         There ARE Bantu people in Zimbabwe, you moron. They migrated from West Africa down to the entire southern African regions of Zimbabwe, Namibia, Botswana, Zambia, AND South Africa. The only people who were native to southern Africa were the Bushmen, San, and Khoi Khoi people.

        Next time, do your research before you jump to conclusions.

      • Amina

         There ARE Bantu people in Zimbabwe, you moron. They migrated from West Africa down to the entire southern African regions of Zimbabwe, Namibia, Botswana, Zambia, AND South Africa. The only people who were native to southern Africa were the Bushmen, San, and Khoi Khoi people.

        Next time, do your research before you jump to conclusions.

      • amjustsayingit

        I am a bantu in Kenya!! There are many bantus in Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi and many other African Countries!!! You can be a bantu but speak a different tribe/dialect from another Bantu for example in Kenya there are bantus who speak Kamba, Luhya, Kikuyu, Giriama e.t.c.

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