Breaking The Bad Boy Habit: Will Some Women Ever Out Grow It?

March 24th, 2012 - By Erica Renee

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Baggy clothes, a bad boy attitude, and possibly a job that didn’t require the filing of taxes were the characteristics of some (not all) of the guys I dated years ago. In my defense, I was a young high school/college girl who didn’t fully understand that bad boys come with lots of unwanted trouble. Okay, well maybe I understood this, but I didn’t understand that this trouble would eventually become more of a headache than an admirable situation as I finally matured; and that bad boy image that was once highly desirable to me would soon seem ridiculous. While dating bad boys was a phase for me, it’s become a standard requirement for some women who won’t budge for the nice suit-and-tie guy who also happens to be a law abiding citizen.

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MixedUpInVegas

CeCe said it well, but I’d like to add my take on the matter. What we women want evolves and changes over time. As the author Erica noted, in our youth we are more easily impressed by the perceived power of the “bad boys” in our high school or neighborhood. As we pursue post-secondary education or training of some kind to prepare for independent adulthood, our frame of reference broadens socially and we discover traits in men that we may not have encountered before. We gradually learn that the qualities that make for a fun dating partner are not necessarily the same qualities that make for a good marriage partner.

So, yes, we start out not knowing what we want in a man; we grow, learn and become the mature adults we are supposed to be, and we learn from experience. With any luck, we escape the worst possible consequences of our mistakes and go on to do better.
- Surburban Soulja
  
  #Round Of Applause#. Well put MUIV
Cece

Let me get to the root of the problem. Most men and women don’t know what they want. Speaking of black women, I do believe many of us don’t know exactly what we want or are looking for in a potential spouse because most came from dysfunctional home. Many black men don’t know what it means to be a responsible man because they didn’t have a good man figure in their life to show them. Many black women don’t know what it means to be a wife to their husband because they saw their single mother who played the mother and father role while talking about how bad the man is, so they are scared to take that role of a wife and be somewhat dependent.
Bad boys have an appeal to them. They look like they have been through a lot, can handle anything in life, it’s an illusion though. What’s the definition of a bad boy? To me, a bad boy is someone who is still a boy, not taking care of his responsibilities and needs a lot of maturity. A good man, is someone who maybe made some mistakes in the past, but learned from it, he’s more responsible and TAKING ACTIONS to better himself. Honestly, when I see the type of circumstances some black women put themselves in, having different children out of wedlock, then some “educated ones” falling for bad boys talking about they give better sex, being with a man who is obviously irresponsible, claiming they have a man but this man is in and out of jail, it’s ridiculous. It comes to show, you have no standards for yourself, you are confused, very ignorant so you settle for less or nothing. Don’t be carried away by your high level of education or take pride in your light skin which means black men want you more, or chocolate sistas are insecure about their color so they fall for anything, just another level of ignorance. A mature, confident, intelligent woman fall for good men who will be their potential, boyfriend, fiance or husband.
- Surburban Soulja
  
  #ROUND OF APPLAUSE#. Well put Ce Ce.
IllyPhilly

So what is a bad boy? Don’t tell me its some jerk who’s in and out of jail and gets into a fight cuz someone stepped on his pumas. If that’s the bad boy every women secretly wants then I’m not really a woman. Bad boys IMO are the ones like Malcolm X, he went against the grain even (1st 2 albums) Kanye at one point, but not some loser who talks bad about his baby mama, but keeps knocking her up.
Surburban Soulja

I recall a concept which best bespeaks my preference: Renaissance Man. My intellect and ambition require a suitable companion whose background cannot depreciate my eligibility for certain lucrative professional prospects and the hard-earned reputation which has paved such a bumpy road. I’ve done the whole “down for whateva” spiel in my teens and 20′s. Learned a lot more than I earned!!!! However; AS a recovering Ride or Die Chic—I must admit the sex is waaaaaayyy more fun than with ‘a Square’. Not worth compromising my bright future as a financially secure and educated woman though. So yeah; no bringing [the bad boy] to formal and/or executive-level Corproate events—-but as soon as I get home that evening and need my ‘lullaby’……haaaaaeeeeeyyy!!!! #DontHateMeCuzIFitInEverywhere#
- Surburban Soulja
  
  please pardon my mis-spelling of Corporate towards the end of my speech.
  - brian k
    
    I think you come across as trying hard to fit in everywhere, but not quite fitting in anywhere to be perfectly honest. And your ‘mis-spelling’ of the word corporate is the least of your problems.
    
    ’My intellect and ambition require a suitable companion whose background
    cannot depreciate my eligibility for certain lucrative professional
    prospects and the hard-earned reputation which has paved such a bumpy
    road’. Did this make sense to you when you wrote it? Surely a hard-earned reputation would pave a smoother road career wise?
    
    You fail in your attempt to sound smart in your posts, and engage in petty name calling. What am I to take from your comments? You sleep with bad boys because they are good in bed, but do not date them. You give up your goodies to irresponsible men, but don’t require them to actually date you? Or do they only date you on the quiet? So I guess you are the ‘winner’ then. Well done. Gold star for you.
    - Surburban Soulja
      
      Say, Bri; Go Fly a Kite! What are YOUUUU doing on a Black Women’s Lifestyle Website anyhow? Are the pathetic likes of you THIS desperate to exchange communications with us? Did I specify my professional prospects? No. I must be doing something right (11 years In Like Flynn). What you can take from my comment is that my bedroom personality is too adventurous for the ‘squares’ I encounter in the boardroom. I know the conflict of interests that would ensue to introduce them to this Leo Jelly and then snatch it right on back since I am so adamantly against a committed relationship right now! My image can’t suffer the encumberance of a boyfriend/fiance/husband—-and I’m young and fine enough to take as much time as I please. My sex partner/s and I are more responsible than most; we show medical PAPERS AND use condoms so whatcha know good? If I were a man stating my Ways; you’d probably be 1/2-way tempted to Inbox me for secrets in being such a suave Playa. Don’t be mad Boo. #StopHatinCuzIFitInEverywhere#
    - Surburban Soulja
      
      Say Bri; go fly a kite! If your IQ wasn’t so obviously low; I’d disgress upon the statement that you quoted (and thanks btw). Let me rephrase it in Junior-High for you: “I have worked a very long time to accomplish what I have, and now my reputation PAVES the way what started for me as a very bumpy road”. Better, Dumbo? If a Corporate Culture MALE was to anonymously boast of satisfying his carnal urges in whatever way he sees fit; you’d be dabbing envious tears from your eyes. What are youuuuuu doing on a Black WOMEN’s Lifestyle Website anyhow? It’s THAT hard for you to communicate with us, ain’t it?
      Bottle of Lotion and Box of Kleenex for you.
      - brian k
        
        You are hysterical and very entertaining. Like I said you attempt to appear intelligent but fail, and you destroy the English language in the process.
        
        “I have worked a very long time to accomplish what I have, and now my
        reputation PAVES the way what started for me as a very bumpy road” Perhaps you mean your reputation helps pave a better path for you ON what started off as a very bumpy road (or difficult journey). You see, if you went to a good College, you would understand that clarity of written expression is fundamental. You fail to do that, and throw around words incorrectly in sentences, mixed with slangs and text-speak. Have you ever read a peer reviewed article or even a book where the writer employs the same style as you? In spite of that you think you are an intellectual, which is very irritating.
        
        As for why I am here. I read this site because some of the artticles interest me. I was unaware that men were restricted. I only wrote my message because I saw how you littered this entire page with pretentious, inaccurate, nonsensical drivel, and I felt obligated to actually say something.
      - brian k
        
        ‘You act like Buckwheat’s less attractive than you.’ Do you mean ‘You act like Buckwheat is less attractive than you’. You see apostrophe-s indicates possession and thus cannot be used in that sentence. Yet in the same comment you arrogantly tell the poster his grammatical format is giving you a headache. This is why you are entertaining.
        
        Surburban Soulja
        
        CVS is having a “buy one, get one free” sale. TOTALLY stock up on the lotion and kleenex.
        
        Not only are you petty, but apparently ugly too. I know your type. Gotta point attention to EVERYTHING but my initial point. The apostrophe usage can apply to combining a noun and verb (Buckwheat’s = Buckwheat Is, Stupido!). You’re still pathetic to be here tryna inject your two cents into a SISTA CIPHER. It’s okay that you and MadAs_Heck don’t get this much interaction with females in your day to day—–it ain’t my fault.
        
        And if I wish to combine slang and enunciation in a casual online blogsite; who the hell are YOU? Merriam Webster’s Grandson – allotted the task of reviewing entries for spelling and grammer? If I “wanna” state my academic accomplishments, it sure “ain’t” gonna be to a loser like you!
        
        Hope the lotion helps. CVS can’t help with your Ugly situation but if you stop being just a Jerkoff; you just might find someone who likes the Inner You.
GM_I

Yeah, women usually grow out of it…after they’ve been ran thru or knocked up by as many bad boys they failed to reform with their vag1naz as possible before they’re 29 goin on 30…and thats when they realize they want a nice guy or the quote unquote good/REAL man after her eggs are dryin up, she’s damaged, used up goods and her ready made family of ba$t@rd kids need a father figure in their lives…then they want those quote unquote good/REAL men to be excited & accept all their baggage like its a first place prize smh…newsflash ladies: only puzzified, loser & broke bum azz men would ever SETTLE for that, so dont expect anything better than that if u fit the bill.
- Miss Anonymous
  
  I guess alot of men in the army are the losers you speak of. I know one who just married a girl who had 3 kids with all different fathers (she was never married), well 4 know because she just had his first child. He is 21 and she is 23. I have met alot of men who rather marry the woman with a bunch of kids instead of one who wanted to wait until after marriage. Well dont mind me, Im just the loser who decided that I rather go to college and wait until marriage to have children instead being ran through by 25. I guess I will sit still and watch my eggs dry up since the baby mamas get married to great men and I dont want to play step mother to 2 or more children.
  - Surburban Soulja
    
    Say There Miss Anonymous….why let your statement piggyback off the blades of another Bitter Brotha instead of stating the facts? I have contracted as a civilian for 2 branches of the Military and have had occasion to process and file Financial paperwork. Are you as aware as I am that MONEY could have something to with this not-so-new phenomena? (The greater # of Dependents; the fatter the monthly Check!) Also; the Military gentlemen I’ve met (especially after having been deployed overseas) have an astute appreciation for a woman who handles her biologically-based duties without making any apologies or excuses (i.e.—the children you and MadAs_Heck describe like the scum of the earth. Sure hope y’all AND yo mammas were virigins til marriage!). It’s their down-to-earthedness that really is appealling, Miss Anonymous—-not your blaring lonely-based bitterness.
    - Miss Anonymous
      
      Yes I am aware that money could be the reasoning for it. (My father was in the army for 32 years as a CSM) But I do not speak horribly of the children nor the women who handles their biological responsibility. I do have a issue with a woman who has 3 kids under 3 with different fathers. The ones I describe do not have a down to earthness about them and actually look down on me because I dont have a kid by now. I was even told that wanting a man without kids is too high of a standard and that going to college was stupid, not to mention since Im single I should “ho” it up. I am told that any man is far game if he isnt married, that all men cheat and have kids (smh). Just the other day, the one I spoke about in my first post mentioned that most black men just want to use women my color (im dark) for sex until they get a light/mixed woman, that if I was light I wouldnt have to go to college to get a career to take care of myself because I would be married. That if I wanted a child I should just get pregnant by a guy and how for me knowing how to cook and clean was useless since no man has married me.
      
      I often do wonder what if I was more concerned about getting a good man younger and not going to college maybe I would have gotten a good man too, maybe I shoulda been sleeping around too and brushed my parents off when they say that a good education is the key. I have been thinking about dropping out of college.
      - Surburban Soulja
        
        Aaahhh…your dear soul must weep to be at THAT end of the Color Struck Meter, don’t it? I’m ‘light/mixed’ and am appalled at how pathetically obsessed My People are about it! I’m sure your complexion is beautiful in its chocolate splendor. Any guy
        who’d imply less doesn’t deserve either ONE of us. (I drop guys like
        rabid flies who make too big a deal about my hazel eyes, wavy hair, and
        light skin ‘that’d make for some PRETTY ol babies!”. It’s disgusting to me).
        I suspect an abortion or two(?) may be a part of your anymosity towards women who were impregnanted by more than 1 man——– alot of finger pointers are just grateful for a distraction from their own guilty s#it. Plus their old-fashioned relatives (sorry but if you’re in YOUR 40′s I KNOW your parents are Old School and probably over churchified to boot)
        If a fitness club membership is in order; a shapely waist with locatable abdominal muscles is what I find the fellas 9/10 prefer to fathom wrapping their arms around—degree or none.
        You’re making a HUGE mistake for any of your male associates you who feel romantically inclined towards to even KNOW you hope to be married sooner than later. If Iiiiiiii can smell your insecurity—don’t you think they can? You’ll never win what you want out the Game playing yourself like That sis! (Don’t listen to MadAs_Heck either). Don’t hate on the baby mammas gettin more proposals than you—-take note!
        
        Miss Anonymous
        
        I dont even entertain men that obsess over one color or the other, When they start with a so called compliment and then round the corner of ignorance I just stare blankly at them. You do have to shake your head at what some may think is a compliment but is rather a backhanded one.
        
        Like I said earlier in my post I dont have any animosity towards women who have more than 1 baby daddy or what have you and no I havent had any abortions (my younger sister being born made me realize that I was not ready emotionally and mentally for a child). But hey if you like someone having 3 kids less than 6 months apart by different men, I love it. I also have another good 16 years before I can worry about my 40′s.
        
        And Im thinking you really didn’t read what I wrote. I wrote that all the mess about color and school being dumb is what the married girl told me, the same one who felt me not wanting someone with kids was horrible but it was okay for her to want a man with no kids (she wanted her kids to be first in his life, not his). I just stared blankly at her comment thinking literally wtf.I dont see nothing wrong with wanting to get married one day and having kids (shrugs), Im just wondering what Im doing and if maybe when I was 18-22 (Im now 24) if maybe I should have been man hunting instead of going to college like my parents wanted.
        
        Surburban Soulja
        
        Thanks for clarifying Little Sister. Keep Up The Good Work. “Heck No!” you shouldn’t have opted to ‘manhunt’ like so many other Femme Pathetiques do (damn online dating desperados!). For you to invest your time and energy in your education and setting a foundation for a financially-secure career will pay off in EVERY way—including attracting a worthy companion. I could see you with a brotha who holds a CEO position within a humanitarian-based organization—where he ‘used to be a bad boy’ but has cleaned up quite nicely. Then you’d have the ‘bad boy sex’ without the ‘bad boy headache’. And with YOUR morals; just keep listenin to your elders and he WILL “put a ring on it!” (“Whoa-uh-oh! ; ) One more thing though (With all due respect Sweetie); we ALL need an exercise regiment…to FEEL and look our best. Don’t let MadAs_Heck further befuddle you. Break out your Wii and make a salad!
    - Miss Anonymous
      
      Speaking of facts I have been told by others (older people) that it is good how I am getting a education, Im not dressed provocative and “keeping to myself” (as far as men go, you gotta love how old folks come up with those sayings) and that its a good thing and men will like a girl with her head on her shoulders. I have been told by men that Im too good to be true, am I sure that I dont have kids, thats good you go to college and your a good catch. So far I have attracted men who want to live off of me (the ooh girl you going to make money with that degree) the thugs (I havent found out how I appeal to them yet.) and a few nice guys (ones who feel it would be better to be my friend because I must have a defect since Im single).
      
      I guess I should get punished for avoiding to get pregnant by not having sex, for actually believing that not every man cheat, knowing issues of the world, knowing how to carry a decent conversation and thinking that I should aim for being wife and not baby mama.
      - GM_I
        
        The reason ur attracting those types of men (i.e. losers & thugs tryin to live off u financially) is becuz men on ur level or better dont want women on their level or better (i.e. Career/Smart women)…most successful men want women who will shut up, fuc us, feed us & look good while doin it.
        
        Mainly becuz career/smart women never shut up, are constantly lording their achievements over ur head that most us men could care less about since we either have our own or dont benefit from ur success without u complaining about being the breadwinner, their constantly tryin to prove how smart & intellectual they are to the point nearly every convo turns into a damn debate/argument, have no time for a relationship, sex or performing any of the girlfriend/wifely duties cuz they’re too tired after a long day at the office or too busy working and generally speaking, most successful/smart women are homely, fat or fugly (im speaking about successful women who aren’t successful in a profession that requires them to be beautiful such as models, actresses and singers)…thats why those women had all those friday & saturday nights free to hit the books & study for the exams on monday instead of gettin asked out on dates & partying like the attractive ones (thats also why the attractive ones are usually idiots lol).
        
        Those are the reasons why women like that had to be successful cuz they’re usually not attractive enough to attract the men willing to pay their bills or blinded by their beauty to the point where a man with money foolishly knocks her up and she’s set for the next 18yrs to life via child support (or alimony aka vaginamony if they can get a sucker to put a ring on it)…the nice guys who claim to just want to be ur friend are just nicely sayin to u “I dont want to have sex with you”…trust me, I can tell by ur credentials that avoiding pregnancy wasn’t as hard for u as u want others to think it was lol…and the thugs/bums want u becuz the successful woman type eventually succumbs to desperation or lonliness and will have the loser boyfriend that she supports financially & becomes his provider just so she has a man.
        
        Miss_Anonymous
        
        @gm_i So I should just go ahead and quit college and step my sex game up? Start doing any and everything to a man until one marries me?
        
        Surburban Soulja
        
        GM_I’s advice is about as useful as a penny with a hole in it DURING an armed robbery Try this site: www. hellobeautiful. com. Good luck in your academic endeavors. And no, hon; you don’t have to #uck evevrything in sight—but if you play TOOO hard to get; ya won’t Git Got!
        
        Miss Anonymous
        
        @ Suburban Soulja I was being being sarcastic in asking for his help, I know doing that will have me with a STD. Thanks, I will need all the good luck I need for college. I know about the playing hard to get part, I just wish I wasnt looked at as a prude because I wont do the “come over and chill” date after 10 pm. (Where do some guys come up with that? lol)
        
        Surburban Soulja
        
        MadAs_Heck is in a League of His Own. Just remember that most decent men have better things to do than stalk a WOMEN’s Lifestyle Website and impose their chuevenistic two-cents into a digital FEMALE forum. If he had any REALLY useful relationship guidance..the woman he’d have would have him waaay too busy (especially on the dang weekend!!!) to be breakin into a Sista Cipher. And don’t you DARE fall for that ‘come over and chill’ cheapskate foolywang! Before I loan you one of my lines for THAT grabage, let me add that to REALLY let these bustashs know you ain’t goin out like that; don’t even let a scrub be able to REACH you on the phone after 10. Here goes: “I work very hard, and right now Home is not where I wanna enjoy social time. Home is where I eat, sleep, and prepare to keep hustlin the next day. I’d love to spend some time though–just not at ‘home’ ” The fella will either come up with a betta idea or git gone (which 9.5 times/10…is a blessing)! “Man’s Rejection is God’s Protection”
- Miss Anonymous
  
  P.S. I never liked the bad boys, I loved the good/real men and nerdy men but they dont like nerdy chicks until they have divorced in their 40′s and want a nerdy woman.
  - GM_I
    
    Love whatever and whoever u please…but understand just becuz u like good/real and nerdy men, doesnt mean the rest of the female population does…u have to remember that the EXCEPTION only PROVES the RULE, it doesn’t DISPUTE it…if that was the case, this article in itself would be pointless and asinine, dont u think???
- Surburban Soulja
  
  So…what’s it like being so perfect, already? Or might it be that your ‘alternative social recreational lifestyle’ bespeaks of a person embitterned by the [same type] of female [you now put down to assuage your fragile ego]? Hmmm? Your profile pic doesn’t depict one in the age-bracket so well-known for perpetuating dinosaur-ish double-standards; so what gives? Your scripted barrage extends ZERO accountability to the males who abandon their offspring; thus giving pathetic losers like you a sense of [judgmental] entitlement towards scapegoating a category of females oft misunderstood for showing visual results of our MisEducation rooted in the cabins of our enslaved grandmothers—not to mention the misogynistic propaganda our main entertainement media sources are so well-known for. Save some stones to throw at THOSE bull-eyes—–and a clean, lint-free cloth to look in the mirror—all the better to concoct a solution to your concerns vs. an excuse to sell the sistas out. .We get enough of that just being born in a world where folks think like YOU.
  - GM_I
    
    I dont have an ego, and im far from perfect…my profile pic is buckwheat from the movie “The Little Rascals”…I chose it becuz im usually on b0ssip and the women who generally respond to my comments I make accuse me of being a woman hater, so I felt using a picture of a character who was part of the “He-Man Womans Hater Club” would be a nice fit for the perception I have been labeled with on blogs just for being honest about the realities of how men & women are lol XD.
    
    Anyway, about those pathetic losers: WHO CHOSE THEM??? Women did, thats who…they were pathetic losers from the moment these single moms met them and they were pathetic losers when those same women bent over and told them “stick in me baby, we dont need condoms, you can have as much sex with me without them as u want, just hurry up and do me” lol…plus, those women/single moms didn’t have to give birth to that b@$tard child (they have a legal license to kill babies in America & across the globe), they didn’t have to have sex before marriage like their god/jesus advised them in the religion many of them constantly claim but choose to disobey, they didnt have to have sex with those men before they showed thru action they wanted to commit to that woman instead of believing what they wanted to hear or whatever lines they were fed that made their panties fall off, they know when they haven’t taken their BC pills or when their in between BC methods & are told not to have sex during that time…and obviously, if a woman is a single mother, its becuz she chose to give birth to a child of a man who didn’t want the kid but she didnt care, thats why he left…you dont think majority of men that want kids wake up one day and say “to h3ll with that shyt” once the woman says “im pregnant” or after the baby is born do you??? Be honest, cuz majority of men who want to be fathers, will be and will fight tooth & nail to be that as many of us in this world have witnessed.
    
    I also dont have entitlement issues, the only thing im entitled to is my own opinion, which many of u have read or are reading at this moment..and the funny thing about the so called misogynistic propaganda in our main entertainment media sources is that its women who are the majority of the demographic who watch television and develop the programming that goes on it (us men are mostly on the internet or out working & when we watch tv its usually only sports, news or financial channels)…ahhh, the irony and what does that tell u about women??? Most likely something women have already been told but are in denial about.
    - Surburban Soulja
      
      Your grammatical format is giving me a headache (left my glasses @ work!). Here’s to hoping your bottle of lotion and kleenex did you some good last night. You act like Buckwheat’s less attractive than you. Impossible! That actor grew up. You haven’t.
      Add the equation:
      1. Your elementary-level, ramblin-@$$ verbiage (copying and pasting my Adult descriptions of words doesn’t count) + 2. why you’d even BOTHER stalking a BLACK WOMEN’s Lifestyle Website = 3. your hangups with females are More Than A Few. You STILL find a way to make it the woman’s fault when she is impregnanted than abandoned by one of ‘you’. Whatsa matter? Are youuuu on Child support too? Or is your phallus size combined with your obovious lack of intellectual swag why you have so much time to pass your gas on our site?
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JAI4SRENU2A5WKRTELXXYJPDSI Kayla
  
  Not all woman are like that ya know. If you opened our eyes a little more you would see that. Some woman including myself were never into the bad guys. And my eggs are far from dried up. Thank you very much. Pfft
  - Guest
    
    Please don’t speak up for any woman here. Just a few days ago you were saying Rhianna looked down to earth and fun to hang out with because she had pics of her “cheefin” on her Twitter account and was passing semi-lesbian nods to some random chick on the internet. Obviously your judgement is lacking and you don’t represent women like Miss Anonymous or the few who roam this site who actually have a good head on their shoulders. Just gracefully go- if you can manage that- and have a seat.
    - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JAI4SRENU2A5WKRTELXXYJPDSI Kayla
      
      The type of men I go for and me liking pictures of Rihanna passing lesbian nods and “cheefin” are unrelated. Or does someone who likes those pictures of her can’t have good taste in men? My choice of men has nothing to do with how I feel about Rihanna. Stop comparing them, they’re two different topics. Because obviously a person who disapproves of Rihanna pics, must have a superb taste in men? Am I right? Next time when you see a woman who always seems to be abused and taken advantage of men, we need to see her thoughts of Rihanna smoking.
    - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JAI4SRENU2A5WKRTELXXYJPDSI Kayla
      
      Ok so next time you see a woman who has been taken advantage of and abused my boyfriend after boyfriend. We need to see her thoughts on Rihanna smoking weed. That would be the key factor in why she has had a bad string of relationships. Because Rihanna smoking and passing “semi-lesbian” nods is why my judgement is clouded when it comes to men. ok?
L-Boogie

I outgrew it. But I am not quick to assume that someone is a good person because they wear a suit and a tie or do not have a criminal record. You know them by their fruit…POINT BLANK.
- FromUR2UB
  
  Exactly. Page 3: Good, bad boys? Bad, good boys? I’ve always thought what determined a bad boy, or good guy are their deeds. Some people don’t have criminal records only because they haven’t gotten caught yet.
- OSHH
  
  Exactly “wolves may lurk in every guise”.
  It is the character of the man that should be measured, traits, his actions etc. not the packaging *pun intended*

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