I’m Gonna Get Me A White Man!: Are You “Swirling” for the Right Reasons?

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March 2, 2012 ‐ By

Here at Madame Noire we talk a lot about interracial dating. In one of our most popular (and most controversial) articles of all time, our writer listed reasons why black women should look to our fairer skinned brothers when it comes to dating options. We’ve done very popular slideshows about the white men in Hollywood who have a sista on their arm. We’re about keeping our options open when it comes to dating and marriage.  That being said, please don’t look to the white man to save you from your brothas.

Yeah, I said it…because it had to be said.

As an editor on this site, it’s so frustrating to see black woman after black woman claim that she’s “done” with black men; that she’ll just go out and get herself a white man, as if they sell them at your local corner store. If you want to date a white man, by all means go right ahead but make sure you’re “swirling” for the right reasons.

It seems that some black women have forgotten that sickening, rejected feeling we get when we hear a wayward brotha talk about how he’s “upgraded” to white women because black women have too much attitude, are nothing but gold diggers and welfare queens. How are these hurtful stereotypes any different from black women saying black men are all cheaters, incarcerated or don’t take care of their children? It isn’t. Just like those stereotypes [hopefully] don’t apply to you, neither do these stereotypes apply to all black men.

I realize, some of us have been so scarred, so emotionally (and sometimes physically) battered by a black man or two, that we can’t recognize and appreciate the good brothas there still are in this world. If you want to cross the color spectrum, more power to you; but assuming that all of your male problems will disappear right along with the melanin, is just ridiculous. Any sane person, whether they’ve dated interracially or not, will tell you that people are people, men are men. Some are shady and some are sweet.

Furthermore, resolving to be with a white man by any means necessary might not be as easy as you think. Just like there are some black women who are not physically attracted to white men, there are some white men who are not physically attracted to black women. You heard John Mayer. Please believe, he’s not the only one who shares such sentiments.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to discourage or dissuade you from dating interracially; but stepping into the game believing that every white man is going to want you because you’re black, is simply unrealistic.

If and when you do find a white man to love you, how do you think he’ll feel knowing that you chose him and his color as a last resort? Just like we don’t want to be someone’s chocolate fantasy, I’m sure white men don’t want to be the milk in your coffee. There’s so much more to people than skin tone and there’s so much more to a successful relationship than the union of two different races. Whatever man you find, whether he’s black, white or leopard print, you better make sure the two of you have more in common than your obsession with each other’s hue.

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  • Ravenhawk Remington

    ive dated a few black girls i my time and is probable just me but they were educated and sophisticated but all that would go out the window when they got around other blacks the nigas ad hoes just started flying and there ghetto turned on it was amazing to see they could not be them self’s i really really wanted to marry this last one but how could i if she would not be herself

  • Buck

    One evening with time on my hands and curiousity, I (white guy) went alone into an exclusively black club. When my friends heard I did this, they were aghast. I was told I had taken my life in my hands. However, the black men in the club just ignored me, but many of the black women looked at me as if they wanted to carve my liver. Now, I’ve always been attracted to black women. I’ve had some friendships with some as a member of ACORN, a now defunct progressive group. A few came to my wedding. I’ve found a mixed back. Reactions ranged from openly hostile to friendly and even showing a sense of motherliness for lack of a better term. Let the barriers be broken. BTW, my nickname from childhood is Buckwheat because it rhymes a bit with my surname.

  • whateveriwant

    When I was 14 I swore off black men for good. Mostly because my dad was a bum and a scumbag. But for other reasons too. It was then that I started to consider white men as an option. I went through a latino phase, an asian phase and a white phase. When it comes down to it at this point in my life I’m really physically attracted to white men. Can’t explain it. Don’t care to. When black guys go on about how great non black women are it doesn’t bother me. I have very little interest in them. So if someone feels that this is “the wrong reason to swirl” so be it. It’s my life, I do what makes me satisfied and happy. No one else is going to live my life for me.

  • Kevin

    I read prob 10 post down below and just want to say Black women are very attractive!!! Some fool even posted that there has not been one worldwide reconizable black woman for her looks ever?? I want even start naming many worldwide names bc there are so many. I can honestly say i have seen and talked with prob 30-40 black women that i find more attractive then the rihanna’s, beyonce’s!! (2 of the most attractive women EVER) So any way you black women are angels to so many white men and alot of white men have no problem having a relationship with you. 

  • Liam

    Hi to everyone reading this!  I’m a white male married to a black woman for almost 26 years.  She is the love of my life.  Never did I enter into our relationship thinking about her color; I fell in love with her for who she is.  Life is way too short to think about what his or her color is.  By the way, to anyone that says that black women are not attractive, please describe “Attractive” to me.  My wife is beautiful externally and internally.  She is the MOST BEAUTIFUL woman in the world to me.
    Live life and be happy, y’all!

  • Marcia

    How about it’s not about a black woman being bitter about black men and want to start dating white men. It could be that they are genuinely interested in white men and vise versa. There’s nothing wrong with keeping all options open. The sea gets larger when you are willing to date other races.

  • m,g curry

    I love my zambian wife of 14 years and our great kids. I’m white man and i think black ladies are the most beautful women. It is about love,integrity and decency that matters no matters who you choose to be with.

  • Ntelos

    I just want to say that, I for one in my own experience have dated these so-called black women that “no longer want to date black men in favor of white men or men of other races”.. Two examples: One black female (very attractive) I met online on a dating website. When I told her I was of mixed background (half black & puerto rican) all she had to hear was the word “black” and she told me: “Due to past bad experiences I no longer date black men or anyone half black as you say”. I told her, fine I understand we can still be friends if you like, I really think you are a cool person & am sorry you feel as you do… Simply put one year later we were together! We had a great year together & our relationship had to end because she moved down to Florida to take care of her father and go to school. We just couldn’t handle the long distance thing, with my career in IT I was happy here in New York, anyhow we are still close friends to this day.
    The second example was another black woman I dated a few years later. She was cool, even though she was jaded toward black men she gave me a chance.. Things were ok, but as time went on I could see she had an even lower opinion for black men than I thought. I couldn’t go on with being told I was “weak” because I wasn’t into the natural food she wanted me to eat ALL the time. There were other things too such as “wanting to fight” who wants to fight in a relationship??  Then there was the weed smoking. I for one am not a weed smoker, she was & one evening I came over to her house & she was out of it, I mean eyes rolled back non-coherent, all that.. I started to get scared and watched her closely as I was ready to call the ambulance. Fortunately she came out of it. After that, it was a wrap and I broke it off. Again I was called weak & that I couldn’t handle a black woman.. lol.. Today I am engaged to a beautiful black woman I love so much we’ve known each other 22 yrs ago we lost contact then a year ago she found me on facebook and we are planning our wedding this August! Black women rock!

    • http://hizzandherzorganics.com/ nelson

      MAYBE YOU DON’T KNOW IT BUT, she was smoking more than weed. Eyes rolling back & incoherent isn’t a WEED HIGH bro. Unless she was smoking from sun up til sunset that day!!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/Z3OAR7HQXKIYFTZNNPCSCSMG3U dawg

    You totally ignore Asians.  Racist.

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  • http://thorobreadinc.com/ Mr.Ma2ts

    I don’t get this race stuff. His skin color shouldn’t determine whether you like him or not. More time should be focused on what TYPE of men you attract. 

  • TheTanningMom

    Love has no color. If you find you are in love with someone of a different race  don’t let society tell you different.

  • guest

    interracial dating destroys black peoples heritage,it makes me upset to see beautiful black women give up on black men for white men,i am not a racist,it just upsets me to see us black men turned down for white men lol such a shame and vice versa for black men and white women

    • http://www.facebook.com/RosarioRed Rosario Stefania Scarsci

      Black woman here. So far I haven’t turned on the BM. Why? A few reasons. 1. I want to preserve as much African genealogy as I can. 2. I love black men. 3. One can not forget history.

    • DARKMAN

      Don’t worry, there are 700 millions Africans, so we’re not close to disappear… More, any kid coming from them will be treated as black. It’s all good.. BM just need to stand up

  • http://greengrassandtealeaves.com/ Kay

    Makes a lot of sense.  Great article.

  • Lee

    I have to say.. I am so sick of this dynamic with black men/women . I will say this until I am midnight blue in the face. Black women/men are not solely defined by their skin or, the community’s perception(s) of their actions. You must marry and love the one that makes you feel happy, loved and, special. That’s it…That is all- it is incredibly simple. Hold yourself and your partner to the highest standard and, just be happy be free. In a way I am starting to realize (excuse my 25 year old naivete) that our greatest oppressor is the immense amount of pressure  we put on each other to do the “right” thing at the explicit cost of our personal desires. We need (for once in our collective history) to be allowed to be ourselves nothing more and nothing less. Don’t sell yourself short or tear yourself down all we have is ourselves in a way…

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  • From Tokyo

    For using the word “swirl” or any variant in relation to dating/marrying a Caucasian man, you lost me and also lowered the perceived integrity of this whole site by extension. This topic, especially presented in this fashion, serves the purpose to bait, etc. Since you got my attention, I’ll just say that perhaps once you realize that for many people it is simply about loving another human being PERIOD this will be a non-issue. However, I realize that you are presenting thos topic from the ever-ready perspective of someone who thinks of interracial relationships as something people merely “try” for “something different”. Not one to complain about a site yet continue to give it traffic, I’ll merely shake my head and keep it moving.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Just-Ron/100001146318146 Just Ron

    I’ve dated many different races/ethnicities of women.
    I date IR for all the right reasons~~I like women.That’s all there is to it.
    If a woman catches my attention, let’s have a convo.
    If we click, we click or not.

    Whoever you are, if you REFUSE to date someone because of his/her race, you are racist.

    BTW-I know the chick in the pic is a model butt, I still want to say that she’s pretty.

    • http://www.facebook.com/RosarioRed Rosario Stefania Scarsci

      Your post was/is probably one of the most sensible posts here. As a black woman, I can honestly say that I suspect that MN has some weird fetish when it comes to black women/white men. I don’t get it. I find men of all races attractive, yes. I can admit that, but I date who I want. I mean, yes, I would prefer to date a bm, but prefer is prefer. I’d be open to others but I don’t push for it because that’s weird. I don’t understand why MN has some weird obsession about these two groups dating.

  • http://twitter.com/Tonystarke777 Ricardo Quest

    Respecting a Black women’s right to choose  a white mate is the best the thing that can happen for the Black man!  

  • Shelly_98

    (*sigh) I love, love, love the conclusion that you’re dating a white man because you’re “sick of dealing with brothas.” I get this judgment alot… every time that I go somewhere with my husband (who is white). The hostile looks I get from both black women and men makes me want to wear a sign with the disclaimer, “I’M NOT REJECTING BLACK MEN! I simply chose to be with the person I fell in love with!” I swear it started to make me sympathetic to the black men who get ugly looks for walking around with their white wives or girlfriends. It also started to make me wonder why I had been so hostile towards those men and tried to analyze their deeply seeded psychosis and obvious rejection of black women. In the end, I realize now that I didn’t know those men. I was projecting my feelings onto them. Ladies, the truth is some people date out of their race for the fantasy element, for the exotic, or to just try something different. But some, yes, some do it simply because they fell in love. In that way I agree with the author that if you date other races, do it because you have more in common than an obession with skin tone. But why do you assume someone who dates out of their race has an obession with skin tone? Projecting much?

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  • http://twitter.com/robwoh Robert Wohner

    I’ve heard from black women that say they ONLY date white men. Because they’ve either been raised exclusively around whites or are making conclusions about black men based on media generated perceptions. Obviously I only wish every woman of any race happiness and true love regardless of where it comes from. But there’s such an underlying insecurity behind those sentiments I honestly feel for them. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/RosarioRed Rosario Stefania Scarsci

      There are bw who say this. I personally don’t understand why they feel the need to point out only dating wm other than what you’ve stated (insecure). I mean, okay, if you date white men exclusively, fine. Why point it out? It’s not some trophy. A person is a person. It’s like, they’d rather have a wm who beats them than a bm who treats them lovely. But, not all BW are this way. There are many of us who want a good man, whatever color, but it’s hard to trust these days. I wish all women and men good luck w finding who they need.

  • Jsladay

    I have been in a interracial relationship for 31 years for all the right reasons. I treat my relationship just like any other relationship, It my relationship. When we start being concern about pleasing strangers  who are not involved in the relations than we create problems within the relationship.If one is serious about committing themselves, than do it. Don’t let others dictate  the life that you choose to live, think and live for yourself.

  • maggie

    Why don’t we stop forcing our black selves onto people?  So many other people have negative things to say about us.  Where is our dignity?  Are there white, mexican, arab, (fill in the blank) journalists writing about the beauty of being with black people?  Have some self respect and look for reciprocity of attention too.  Also, black should not be reduced to a skin color.  Black is a culture with deep African roots.  This is why dating a white man is not that simple–there are polar cultural differences that can’t be ignored out of a delusional ‘colorblind’ approach.

    • http://www.facebook.com/RosarioRed Rosario Stefania Scarsci

       I agree. I agree 100%. I hope people see this post.

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  • Kay

    This is turning out to be a really strange thread. I don’t even know where or what to respond to. It almost seems to be full of posts by TROLLS, not people with actual opinions….

  • Anonymous

    What it all boils down to is that BM are just afraid and threatened by BW/WM couples as they have been for centuries so they come up with this bullish…
    That’s why so many BM attack…curse and make threats toward such couples..matter of fact in San Diego 4 Black Mariens killed a BW/WM couple about 4 years ago…BM are very intimidated and scared when BW decide to cross over and not just with WM they hate to see BW with Latino ,Asian and any other race Man …for some reason it threatens their manhood …all this crap about hair and WM not being attracted to us is just the BM’s way of trying to stop the BW from leaving the Black race and the ignorance..mysoginistic hateful BM …BM want to keep us on the side…BM want to have their cake and eat it too and it’s unraveling right in front of them and they’re afraid.
    Oh…these BM can come on here and talk about beautiful WW and other NBW but in reality they know most NBW wouldn’t touch them with a ten foot pole and the Census on BM/WW marriages tells the story..also check the Census for the staggering divorce rate BM/WW have also. BM want BW think every race Woman desire them but they are delusional and egotistical liars.
    Most of the time BM have to get money and ”buy” a WW…..look at the facts…Famous WW marry White Men…why is it that Angelina Jolie or Megan Fox or Gwenyth Paltrow didn’t date BM…Sandra Bullock…Jen Aniston….why don’t they date these famous Black atheletes..rappers…entertainers?  There are soem BM with fame and money but these WW don’t even see them so they have to get third rate ex nannies and failed reality chicks to marry!  BM are full of hot air and the best thing that’s happening id that more and more BW are realizing this and dismissing them for good…finally!
    BW do not need BM and that’s becoming more obvious everyday…there are plenty of good NBM out there that love BW and they accept us for who we are unlike these ill temepered..whiny ..egotistical..unfaithful..baby mama drama having BM.

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  • MixedUpInVegas

    My goodness!  It appears that anytime MN wants to get a LOT of responses all they need to do is publish an article about black/white interaction of any kind.  Why is this issue such a big deal?  This is a free country in the beginning of the 21st century.  Can we not allow every adult to make their own choices and live with the consequences, whatever those might be?

    Whether people make choices for the “right” reasons or the “wrong” ones are their own problems and not a concern for anyone else.  Give it a rest, please!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/KHLO6K7FT3RVMNVP4YD7TOLEMM E.V.

    I am a young woman who is multi-racial (although I don’t believe in race) but I do associate myself as African-American. This article offends me a little because I feel as though just because I choose to date a “white” man doesn’t mean I have an issue against “black” men. I could honestly care less what color a man’s skin is as long as he loves me for me, is willing to be a partner (whether for business, finances, etc.), has a good heart, great personality as well as being objective and open-minded. That and I don’t personally believe that every white man that sees me wants me (or of any race for that matter) but if he winks, I’ll wink back. 

    • Goodnews

      Race exists.  What is not to believe?  Btw, Im a bw married to a wm and I strongly believe in race.  It’s hard not to

  • reese

    Please stop with these silly type of articles.  Everyone is going to date who they want to date for whatever reason they want to date them.

  • Guest

    You better say that! This is an incredibly accurate article! Yes indeed! 

  • Liliah

    @Terrence look go find you a white woman and tell her all this crap so she could dump you and laugh. look black people like you should be murdered for such black on black hate. Im sorry you are the type of black person who could be called the n word and be embarrassed by whites and you would still be in trying to get in white drawls.

  • TTt

    this post wouldve been good but the truth is…when black men speak about interracial relationships whether their ‘good black men’ or not, they wouldnt justify it…trust me. This is almost laughable…

    nice try

    ps: the black women that say they would get a white man usually say it because they have been APPROACHED by white men or have been attracting white men but have not been dating them but are now starting to consider it so please drop that IF they want you talk..

  • Pedro Riley Olvera

    Oh one more thing, there are brothers out there doing the same thing I am today. Hard working ones who put God and family first and keep just one woman in their heart. Black women are easy pickings either.

    • Pedro Riley Olvera

      sorry!!!! I mean Black women are not easy pickings.

  • Pedro Riley Olvera

    Rosario and Main I gotta go, Daughter has her master piano class, one son has a soccer game and both of my Son’s have a dinner with the cub scouts I have to get them ready for.  Before I go I just want to say that Rosario you sound like a good catch. A good man always like a thinking woman who is not afraid to stand up for her beliefs (most of the time). Main you are right too. If a black woman wants to date a white man just do it and don’t go into it with negativeness because that could blind you to where you might really be. I met a woman once who said she was never attracted to black men but married one because he tried so hard to get her that he had to be the right one for her. The black guy did not have anything against black women either. He just thought he met his match. If you are wondering where my wife is in all of this, she is at a church meeting with her mother. I am Mom and Dad today.

    • http://www.facebook.com/RosarioRed Rosario Stefania Scarsci

      Thank you Pedro. I really appreciate that. You have a great day. 

  • pedro riley olvera

    Hey this is really a cool web site. I actually got the link to it from a right wing web site. Yes I am with the GOP. Not a racist. Married to a black woman. Nigerian actually. You don’t see to many White/Hispanic guys (like me) married to Nigerian women. The family will try to prevent it because divorce is so prevalent in the US. They don’t seem to be very big on black Americans either but you know you gotta go where you heart is. The family will follow with time. Mothers and Fathers just want someone to be good to their children. 

  • pedro riley olvera

    Main I agree with you. I tried to reply to you but I must have typed something that got my reply tagged. I don’t think I said anything harsh but most sites have an automated app that finds certain words. A woman who says she only dates a certain group or does not for reasons other than a personal attraction may be looking for trouble.

  • main

    I have never heard a white woman say she id through with white men no matter how poorly she is treated. Sandra Bullock, Meg Ryan, Christie Brinkley, Demi Moore, Julia Roberts and countless other stars have been cheated on and abused by white men but they NEVER swear off their entire race. What is it about black people that makes us feel that the answer to all of our problems can be found in the arms of a white person?

    • pedro riley olvera

      I am not a black man but Main is right. Generalizing is not good. I never heard a white woman say that either. I think there is crisis out there with black men with infidelity, homosexuality, drugs, alcoholism and self esteem but those problems are effecting other ethnicities as well. I don’t like to hear black women swearing off black men either. Maybe because I am the father of two of them. Raise your black men well and no one will swear them off.

    • reese

      Come to Seattle.  I hear it all the time.  There are more white women who don’t date white men than black women.  I know some who only date Asians, Hispanice or blacks.  You saying you never heard that I find hard to believe unless you are in deep Mississippi somewhere.  I hear women who say they are done with all men period of all races and talk about buying a toy.

    • Anonymous

      WW also have never had to endure being bashed publicly by WM as BW have…matter of fact I can’t think of ANY other race of Men that have come out and made disparaging remarks about the women in their race except for BM …Wesely Snipes..Yung Berg…Slim Thug…Taye Diggs..are just a few   that I can think of at the moment. So, your comparison is like comparing apples and oranges as they say….with all the abuse, abandonment,  insults and mistreatment BM have shown to BW, I would say swearing off the entire race  is minimal   in light of other actions we could be taking.

  • http://www.facebook.com/RosarioRed Rosario Stefania Scarsci

    In all honesty, there are quite a few reasons why I would feel extreme discomfort with dating a WM.

    1. Mistrust. The black and white race have had trust issues for generations. It’s supposed to change all of a sudden?
    2. Racial differences. It doesn’t matter if we actually were raised in similar social settings, his family may not like me based on just being black.

    I think as bw we need to be really careful with who we let in our lives. True story: When I was a little kid, my sister was dating this white man (Italian, we’re black). My family liked him but come to find out he was abusing her. I didn’t really know what was going on then but eventually I found out. She left him, so remember not all WM are better than BM.

  • http://www.facebook.com/RosarioRed Rosario Stefania Scarsci

    Black woman here. I understand where MN is coming from. Black women in the US really should remember the statistics. Also, I can understand the anger us BW might feel when we see a black man w/ a non black woman. Instead of being angry, let’s work on bettering ourselves. I’d prefer to date black men, and I’ve come to terms with the fact that if I can’t find a black male who wants to be in a relationship w/ me, then I’ll deal with being single.

    1. Black women: Let’s start getting healthy. Working out more and not being okay with being too “thick.” Thick is good, but there is a difference between thick and sloppy. 
    2. I’m going to be totally honest with you, if you’re going to go after a “white” man, or whatever, chances are he’d prefer a black woman with natural hair compared to weaves or lace-fronts. It’s a harsh reality. Of course there are exceptions, but still, you can’t deny the rule.

    So bw please stop going after this “great white hope”. If a bm doesn’t want you, fine. There may be others, but you also need to realize that it pays to invest time in yourself; working out, eatig right, enjoying life more and educating yourself (Not just college!)

    • Pedro Riley Olvera

      Rosario, there is nothing wrong with having a preference. I also noticed that many white men are dating black women that look like black women (if you know what I mean). I think black women are beautiful. Not sure why but I don’t worry about it, I just do. When I was single I always went after black women that may have not considered dating me. Most of them preferred black men but I was always convinced that going after a black women who only wanted to date white men might result in getting a women with issues. So, going after a black woman who may not have considered dating me made it harder but if you have to work hard to win a woman you will appreciate her more if you succeed. A lot of black women may feel that if she is going to take a chance on a man it might hurt less when she gets hurt if she does not also have to deal with race as an issue too. You may not be looking for a white guy and you may not ever be with one but remember, sometime love finds you.

      • http://www.facebook.com/RosarioRed Rosario Stefania Scarsci

        I understand Pedro. I pretty much agree with everything you’ve said in this post. I suppose that my judgement is blocked by anger and mistrust. I feel as though since there are many non black men out there who find bw so “unattractive” (john mayer, fr example), why bother? I really don’t want to pursue someone who has no interest in me. It’s a waste of self esteem and time.

  • main

    It would be great to see white male bloggers devote as much time to black women as we do to  them. Just because a white guy wants to have a taste of chocolate doesn’t mean he has any love or respect for black women. Why is this so hard for some black women to understand?

    • Pedro Riley Overa

      Just because a black man dates only black women does not mean he is honoring or respecting black women either. Black men who worry about black women dating or marrying white men have low self esteem. Black men don’t own black women. This is not Pakistan! People don’t own other people. A black man only need worry about one women and that is the woman he is with and maybe his daughters (if he is a real father to them).

      • main

        The difference is that black women put white men on a pedestal and act as though they are incapable of mistreating black women. If white men are so wonderful why do white women complain so much and file for divorce in record numbers?

        • reese

          I disagree with that.  When black women were complaining about bm dating white women.  Yall would say get over it or you are just jealous.  Hell the shows were even saying black women just couldn’t get or attract other men.  Now that black women have took a page out of your book you are still complaining

        • Anonymous

          If BM were so great and wonderful why do so many BM/ WW end up in divorce?
          Check the Census!
          If BM are so wonderful why are so many incarcerated….deadbeat dads..unemployed…?
          If BM are so wonderful why are 67% of you single?

    • Anonymous

      There are websites devoted to WM meeting and dating BW,  MN isn’t the whole world or the only website…it seems to me BM need to take their own advice and stop chasing and obsessing over WW that only think of them as a quick meal ticket…Why is that so hard for some BM to understand!

  • Lynpoma

    It is sad that some black women have bashed our black men. It is because some of us went through abusive black men. It leaves some good black men getting hassled and verbal abused by good or bad black women. That’s why some good black will go to other race to find a mate. I commend  some good black men who love their good black women. Some Black men has bashed black woman terribly.  As far as a white man, it is whole different issue dating white men. Men will be men. I heard some of my black friends telling me that they would not date a black man, that they rather date white men. I was very sadden for them. As a African American myself, I understood their pain but, I don’t give up. Sometimes, you can’t help who you love. Interracial relationships are not as easy as people make it seems. I support it for the good reason of  love, not a substitute to get away from black men. Racism is present if one decides to go with white men or other races. I have been in a interracial relationships to know the good and the bad. I dated and married black men. I am in love with a white man because we both wanted the same things in life. He loves me for who I am and like that. We are happy together. This article is very interesting.

  • Pedro Riley Overa

    Crossing Over? Sounds like mating with aliens. I saw a black guy the other day with a blond. They were  a handsome couple. He was dressed will and handsome and she was very attractive. They looked  happy. I told them they look a very handsome couple. I am not black (White/Hispanic) but I can appreciate happy couples. I am sure there are some things about color that might bother them or even create friction between them but all couples have things to overcome. Have we forgotten about in-laws? If you worry too much about what other think of you then it is a sign of low self esteem. Goodness, how would you like to be married to a Korean and have to explain to her why the Nation of Islam is outside her father’s store calling him an interloper and a blood sucker in the black community. Do you think telling Mr. X that your son in law is black is going to help? Now that is crossing over. Just trying to be happy with someone you find attractive and who finds you attractive and interesting is not crossing over.

  • driven

    i am so over this topic.

  • Ebonydiva82

    There are black women who are on both sides of the fence: by that, I mean that some black women date white, and non-black men, because they are “through” with brothers and some of us choose white, and non-black men, because we are attracted to them, not because we are “through” with the brothers. I have interracially dated before and my husband happens to be white. However, it also gets on my nerves when I hear black women, or any woman who chooses to date a man from a different ethnicity, say that she chose to do so because she got tired of the way black men treated her. Reality check: men are men and they all have faults. At one point or another in relationships, MOST men, regardless of ethnicity, will walk all over a woman however it is the woman’s responsibility to choose whether or not she wants to be a doormat. I have black female friends who choose relationships with non-black men because they are not attracted to black men. To each its own and everyone has a right to their own preference. However, it is unfair to interracially date someone on rebound because of past hurt or to get back. That’s called using them and taking advantage. Men are individuals too. I know for sure that not all black men are the scum of the earth. If a black woman wants to be naiive and think that, then she is in for a huge surprise…

  • Crimjust

    It is amazing how this site blocks the majority of comments that may be favorable to black women and white men but let idiots like Kelly run wild.

    • Pedro Riley Olvera

      Stereotyping and racism sell. That is what most people are here for. Kelly is not all bad. There is hope for her still.

    • Maurice

      Kelly has a right to express herself just like that closet homosexual ‘Forreals’ aka Aaron Sailor does on here pretending to be a woman when he is really a broke black man from west hollyweird, CA. 

      • http://hizzandherzorganics.com/ nelson

        F#$K KELLY! Its obvious she’s entitled to her opinion, SINCE THE ITCH CONTINUES TO POST!!! The point is if she can run off at the mouth like a lose F$%^ING CANNON, Then ‘EVERYTHING’ THAT other people submit in response should be posted. OR ISN’T ANYONE PAYING ATTENTION TO THE FACT that, That Is The Point WE ARE TRYING TO GET ACROSS??!! ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE.

    • darkman

       Avoid certain word and you’ll be fine

      • http://hizzandherzorganics.com/ nelson

        SUCH A SIMPLE CONCLUSION TO COME TO. First of all the word choices does not matter. THE content of What KELLY IS writing is just as harsh as the things that have been flagged. SO THIS IS AN IRRELEVANT POINT!! Its plain and simple—– This website is suppose to be for black people, yet its okay for IDIOTS TO BASH THE HELL OUT OF BLACK MEN & WOMEN!! But if we defend the comments in our way, THERE’S A PROBLEM. THAT $%!T IS RIDICULOUS!! for real. NO MATTER WHAT WORDS ARE USED, you will get blocked if they (whoever decides) CHOOSE TO BLOCK!

  • http://zokka.myopenid.com/ zokka

     
    So much nastiness on this thread.

    If I where a Black American I would
    move to Europe where people wouldn’t make such a fuss.

    Where you can date who you want without
    being called a self hater.

    Where people don’t say cringe-worthy
    things like “put some cream in your coffee”

    Where you don’t have constant articles
    bashing black men as not worthy enough to marry.

    Most of these interracial dating pieces
    seem to be written from the perspective of Black Women. Why the focus
    on dating white men? It it because White men are perceived as richer
    and more powerful and hence more worthy off Black women’s affection?

    Yes there are Black men who bash Black
    women, but from the perspective of an outsider it seems to me that
    Black Women are the ones making a fuss and the men are just getting
    on dating who they want.

    Look I’ve nothing against self
    reflection in a community, but does the constant negativity that
    these articles generate really worth it?

    • Pedro Riley Olvera

      Do you think living in Europe is where its at? I was in Germany when the wall came down and in east Germany they were hunting down Africans who were attending the universities (as guests of the communist government) and beating them to death. Have you ever seen a black CEO in Europe? I think there are many more black CEOs in the USA. Go to Greece being black and see how far you get. Look being black is a curse sometimes but God has blessed us with life and free will. Go and change things with your life and outlook. I will tell you that being ugly is a hell of a bigger curse than being black and ugly can be just on the inside.

      • darkman

         Thank you! Even recently, Russians chased and killed a black man just because he was black.
        A black French graduated from the French equivalent for MIT has to find a CEO job in UK! Even he’s best friend a headhunter gave up, telling him that HIS COLOR WAS A DETERRENT FOR FRENCH BUSINESSMEN…
        Believe me, America is a heaven for black people. Here, everybody is green when it comes to business (Dixit Mohammed Ali)

  • FromUR2UB

    Good article. 

    Unfortunately, it will fall on deaf ears (or rather, blind eyes) for the black men and women who’ve already made up their minds to cross over.  Just like the other post titled, ‘Just Jokes? White Women Against the Cruelty of Black Men’, whenever an article about interracial relationships hits the radar, people come from out of nowhere to rub salt into the wounds of their black counterparts.  This article correctly asserts that it’s hurtful to both sides when stereotypes are offered as reasons to date other races.  But, for those who only come to the web site to comment on interracial topics, it seems to be their goal to alienate even the black men and women who stand in each others’ corners.  Maybe, to prove their point through self-fulfilling prophecy? 

    I’m fully aware of the faults of both black men and women.  But I attribute them to being “people faults”, rather faults specific to a race of people, because when it comes to relationships, people of all races are trying to figure it out.   I thought the concept for the ‘Just Jokes?…’ was funny, but I have to admit that it stung when I read the comments of black men who validated the “truth” of the video, as they think it applies to black women.  What they fail to realize is that the video wasn’t flattering to anyone…not black women, not white women, and especially not black men.  It was satirical, and the nature of satire is to make fun of people’s flaws, usually through exaggeration.   

    So, c’mon!  The reason black men and women began calling each other “brother” and “sister” is because we’re family, so don’t burn any bridges.  Everyone who is black, will be “treated black” sooner or later.  So, if we don’t support one another, who will be there for us?

  • Springtime55

    This is written by a brother…..black women stop listening to brothers havent you learn yet….they are out for themselves now this writer (black man) playing the phycological head games

    • http://zokka.myopenid.com/ zokka

      How Do you know it was written by a Black Man?
      Veronica Wells sounds female to me

      • http://www.facebook.com/RosarioRed Rosario Stefania Scarsci

        Have we seen a photo of her? For all I know VW could be a Victor Williams. Idk…

  • Tina

    “one of our most popular (and most controversial) articles of all time..” is there a link to this article?

  • S.

    Don’t listen to Kelly..I’m from Paris and black women go to waxing salon like everyone! Are you crazy? Why are you saying big liars like that!

    Everything she said about Europe is completely FALSE!!!

    • reese

      We know.  Kelly sees things the way she wants to see.  She has made up a whole alternate reality and doesn’t even know what she is talking about.  I stopped responding to her.  If I see her name I am just going to minimize it.  She really has nothing to offer.

  • Glenjames52

    It is really troubling that in this period of enlightenment, men and women of color are having such difficulties getting and staying together. I have dated women of Asian descent as well as White women in the past but for me, there is no substitute for a good woman of color. The challenges are great and the problems are on both sides…male and female. I think there is a way too much lack of respect and yes, some women of color have forgotten how to love…it starts with loving self but not in a selfish way.  You simply can’t love anyone if you do not know how to love self. Things external will not bring sustained happiness and fulfillment, that will have to come from within and learning to love one’s self is a great beginning…There’s nothing wrong with a woman of color dating a white man, unless of course its for all the wrong reasons…shine the light on self before anyone else… This is why the family structure among blacks is so shaky…so much pain and unhappiness….

  • Chanda

    I know it’s just not me. But I beleive MN make these type of posts as an excuse to show pictures of WM and BW together so it’s not so much what they say it’s the pictures they post along with it and people’s responses. In this day in age BW don’t explain or apologize for who they date or don’t date and MN already know this. Live your lives, people.

    • Chanda

      *In this day and age*

  • Crimjust

    I truly hope that if black woman is dating a white man she is doing so because she is actually interested in him not trying to prove that she can only because she is tired of black men. I am a black woman who has exclusively dated and married a white man. This is not because I did not find black men attractive it is because I was never interested in a relationship with one. There are good white men just like there are good black men it is your decision who you decide to date or marry. My spouse passed away a few years ago and I am now engaged to yet another. I refused to live by what others think and will not trash the black man who sometimes trash the black woman to make themselves appealing to the white woman. As I have stated on this blog before black women are going to be hated by other women and by a great deal of our men because we are strong, a great deal of us are well educated and they cannot bring us down unless we let them. Finally, we are beautiful and desired by men in other cultures why do you think some of our men and a great deal of women in those cultures do everything they an can to make us undesirable to their men. Say what you will but the black woman who has her self together is beautiful her education and willingness to be open minded makes her extremely desirable. This is why so many women in other cultures try to duplicate us in their looks, all I can say is there is nothing like the real thing.

    • Pedro Riley Olvera

      I am not black (White/hispanic) and I dated and married a black women also. The main reason? I like how they look. I am attracted to them. I am conservative and a republican too and my politics don’t always go over very well. My father (white) once met one of my black girl friends and he said to me “so you are dating black girls now?” (he was very liberal and way to the left of  even being a democrat but he voted that way), I replied that was what I was attracted to. He asked me if I told them I listen to Rush Limbaugh and I said “not on the first date!”.  Really life is funny. I do not know what makes us attracted to each other but it must be Gods work. I have one daughter and two boys. I always tell them to respect women. Respecting women is respecting God, you mother, sister and yourself.

  • Renee

    I married my husband, who is white, because I love him.  Stop with all of this  “swirling”  foolishness or trying to read between the lines.  People can fall in love with anyone regardless of race. It has nothing to do with any larger social implication. 

    • Smacks_hoes

      Love knows no color…death to these damn swirl articles!

  • Smacks_hoes

    Madamenoire this is getting ridculous!! If you value your reader you would block Kelly from trolling this site. Ive have it up to here with her. Not only that I’m sick of these “swirl” articles. Even though I agree to a certain extent with this article you and gossip are literally obsessed with the swirl. People will date whomever they want! Leave it at that!…

    Sincerely an annoyed reader.

    • chaka1

       I fully support your statement.

  • http://twitter.com/SonOfDaBayou Kiondra Gates

    Please Madame Noire. Stop deleting comments you dont agree with. Thats lame. Your continual post of self hating rhetoric must stop! You no longer post to educate but simply to entertain. This is the last comment I will make on this site because I will not visit this site again. Goodbye.

    • http://www.facebook.com/RosarioRed Rosario Stefania Scarsci

      Hi Kiondra. I understand your frustration. I have been wondering the same thing and have been considering leaving this site. I’ve been upset at how instead of empowering bw, lately the MN articles have been pretty bashful. 

    • http://hizzandherzorganics.com/ nelson

      You’re beating a dead horse. TRUST ME THEY WILL FLAG ANYTHING THEY WOULDN’T SAY!!

  • Forreals

    Am I the only one who noticed that though “Kelly” (who I believe is an ABM which u can tell by how he’s centered on sistas only) claims sistas r jealous of all other races of women, namely white, yet her obsessively ignorant comments about black women at this point take up over half of the responses in this thread?! As of my post there are 61 comments in this thread and “Kelly is at 32 of them!! Who is really obsessed with & jealous of who??

    • Smacks_hoes

      Lol it’s hilarious because this troll is basically talking to herself. (if it is even a girl) like seriously who does that!!? She bashes black women and praises white women yet she claims to be mixed? Poor thing. Her stories aren’t even consistent. It’s all a lie

      • Kelly

        In Europe, Being mixed is no tag to being a black woman. We do not have the ‘ one drop rule’ Mixed have their own identity far removed from blacks. 

        • Smacks_hoes

          Lol darling you are telling me like I care. Ok if you want to get technical the majority of African Americans are mixed. None of us are pure Africans. So if your mixed so are the majority of us. Infect my grandmother is completely indian and my grandfather is half Indian but I don’t feel conpelled to tell people this all the time. Ever race is mixed with something. We none are pure. This will be the last time I respond to you troll. A little bit of advice maybe you should get a little bit more education and spend less time trolling African American sites bashing them. If you love white people so much go on tmz. Ok bye

          • Kelly

            No, I am a real mixed. MY DAD IS WHITE. YOURS IS NOT. 

          • Kelly

            Real mixed race – in the real world is when you have a PARENT of another race. IE – WHITE MUM AND BLACK DAD – WHITE DAD – ASIAN MUM. 

        • darkman

           You are a big liar KELLY!!! You never left your hood… BLACK IS BLACK EVERY WHERE ON THIS PLANET!!! I had spent half of  my life in France and travel all over eastern Europe, UK included (except Italy). All black or mixed people tell the same story of rejection from white people everywhere (Italy included)…
          You are pitiful… ]:)

          • darkman

             I mean western Europe, not eastern (it’s eastern, from here… p-)  )

      • Kelly

        Most mixed kids HAVE WHITE MOTHER – SO naturally they will defend their white mums over any black woman who insults them. Even Halle Would. 

      • Kelly

        Of course mixed people praise white women – their mums – or aunties are WHITE WOMEN. Why would Paula Patton / Leona Lewis bash white women? 

      • Kelly

        Name  me a time when mixed race kids have bashed white or asian women? 

      • http://hizzandherzorganics.com/ nelson

        ALL LIES!! LMFAO AT KELLY’S DUMBASS!!

    • Kelly

      I knew u would say that.Only black women can deal with opinions they do not like. If I am not a fat white woman in a trailer park…I am a black man, any one but a mixed race girl or white man. You are a black man. Dismissed.   If I was a black man I would admit and have even more to add. I am going on what I know as European and mixed person.  As u are not where I am, you can never prove what I am  – or whom I am.  That is a fact.

    • CommonSense

      Kelly is also responding to herself. It’s best to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and be proven one. She’s clearly trying to stir up unnecessary debate and conflict. Ignoring “her” is clearly the best option.

      • Love_Sexy

        Exactly!

      • Prosperousnhim

        I agree with you commonsense, Kelly we should all ignore her, she is a coward and would never say these things to a Black Woman in her face! She needs Jesus!

    • Jay

      I flagged your comment forreals/Dahonestchimp/boomboomcoon/AaronSailor because you are a fraudulent homosexual black man from bawsip pretending to be a woman. 

      • Forreals

        So u flagged my comments but u was cool wit “Kellys” comments? Y cuz they fit ur ignant opinions of sistas – the very same comments ur weak stinking ninja a s s makes on Bawsip all the time? You’re a weak n8gger on Bawsip & ur a weak n8gger here! Weak n8ggers like u deserve to be shot! F u c k u & all weak n8ggers like u! Now flag that, u sorry piece of monkey sh!!t!!!

        • http://hizzandherzorganics.com/ nelson

          It’s all about trying to get a rise out of black people. WANT TO TRY AND PROVE something I guess. They aren’t gonna flag you when you RANT AND GO OFF. They only flag when you put THE IDIOTS IN THEIR PLACE. Because we are black, and we aren’t suppose to know how to be civilized. OKAY!!! 

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  • http://twitter.com/SonOfDaBayou Kiondra Gates

     This is ridiculous. I’m getting really close to discontinuing using this site. Im starting to think yall just write for comments and not really to educate.

    • Smacks_hoes

      I agree…these swirl articles are getting annoying. There’s one almost everyday. Like damn let people date whomever they want to.

      • Kelly

        Cos that is all you black women have. No other gender does this madness. 

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  • Kelly

    When I see razor bumps on black men I al like …ewwww….but can u imagine how nasty it is on the bikini line? 

  • Kara

    This is so embarassing.  This post is so ghetto.  Every black woman is not your friend.

  • Kelly

    Also black women scream the myth that white women wear weaves….no they do no, maybe the odd clip on but not full sewn in weaves every 6 weeks. White little girls have long hair – black girls have afro hair. Also, My buddie is a waxer at a salon and she said black women have razor bumps and stubbles on their bikini lines over any other race, in fact, waxing hurts black women more than other races, because….their REAL hair – sans weave is afro and stubbly.  Like black men have the razor bumps on their head – black women have on their bikini line – ask any waxer.

    • Kelly

      If you want to know who is wearing a weave ( for the guys or waxers ) look at a woman’s bikini line – if u see razor bumps and pus spots u will know the person REAL hair. 

    • Kelly

      Some salons for waxings in Europe refuse to black women because it is to much hard work and unsightly  – like the bumps can be infected and swell up huge with black kleiods, smells and puss. 

      • Kelly

        One black woman came into a s waxing salon in Paris and her bikini line bumps had swell up and become infected and scared so big that the salon had to close for a week for health and safety  reasons. 

    • Kelly

      It is things like that that turn off other races. Other races do not see that in their own women so they are not use to it. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JAI4SRENU2A5WKRTELXXYJPDSI Kayla

      why are we talking about nasty razor bumps on a post about interracial dating, it’s nasty and off topic

    • Monitorette

      Kelly, if you are Dane = European, you should not talk about wax because Hair removal by Wax has been invented by the Arabs, this is an Arab cultural feature, and belongs only to the Arabs.
       Pfff, that makes me wonder= how do you European used to remove your hair? Answer please.

    • Sol Rothstein

      why do we care to know this. Men like hairy ju ju

  • Kelly

    Black women are born with the type of self hatred that white women do not have. Even if white women obsess  over their image, they still have pride to WANT to give birth to white babies  Black women ( maybe not african women ) do not have that. They hate being black women. 

  • Cameron

    Hi Jason L

  • Cameron

    I don’t understand the need to point out that some white men aren’t attracted to black women. That’s true of sexual preferences among every racial group. There will always be some people in one group who aren’t sexually attracted to women or men from another group. So why point this out in what I consider a very condescending way to black women. Obviously it would take mutual attraction for a relationship to develop. It’s like that bad Aunt who tells you not to get your hopes up by aiming for Harvard. The implied message is black women should remember they are not considered good enough. We are once again casting ourselves in as position of inferiority. 
    My god, even a site geared toward black women is subtly putting us down. 

    • Kelly

      She pointed it out because black women ( from the usa ) refuse to believe that they are NOT on the top of the hot list.  Black women juts cannot live with that fact.  And she is right, in accordance to global beauty and status standards…….black women will never be seen as good enough. Case in point: When I lived in abroad, a pair of Indian business men  – married to Indian women were organising a high end event and they needed models; they hired eastern european and Brazilan girls. The next day, they said they want to host a bigger event for richer set but they want Russsian blondes, and the other Indian business man ( married to his own kind ) said ” no, it is all about Colombian blondes.”  They did not say ” it is all about Nigerian women, Ghanian women, Afro American women or Black british women”… and u know they would not.

      • Terrence

        I, too, tend to believe Afro American women secretly want to be like Caucasian women. Just look at the fake hair they put into their heads and the fake contact lenses they use. Don’t forget about the skin bleaching creams sisters have been using over the years. 

        • Smacks_hoes

          That’s ridiculous

        • reese

          If you are talking of self hate.  I would point back to the brothers and say look at your high sucide rate and race on race crime. 

        • http://hizzandherzorganics.com/ nelson

          For everything you can say about black women, their is an equal reaction from white women. We bleach (NO ME THOUGH) & they tan. Black women wear contacts & White women Get lip injection and cheek implants. WE WEAR WEAVES & SO DO THEY. LOL!! BUT THEY GET BUTTS and we get in where we fit in. ALL I’M SAYING IS WE both want something from the other. IT’S ALL GOOD!!

        • Anonymous

          Most of you are still have that slave boy mentality and will never be real men..that’s why you have to go around with your chests poked out and threatening people and commiiting crimes because you think that makes you tough but in reality most of you really can’t fight your way out of a paper bag so you use a gun..BM are jokes that want to be seen and you try to compete with WM but you’ll never have the power…respect and savy like them so all of you need to go sit down somewhere…seriously!

        • Anonymous

          I believe BM try very hard to compete with WM and that’s why you go around being loud and making fools out of yourselves trying hard to attention but the fact remains you don’t have the looks..power or respect.
          BM will never equal to WM on any level.

        • Executive_Diva

          So Terrence, do white women want to secretly be black when they spend hours tanning and injecting their lips and buttocks to resemble those of a black woman’s?   Are you aware that white women wear wigs and weaves just like black women do?  As a mater of fact, they were the first to do so.  Just curious.  According to your logic, I’m assuming you would agree with my assessment.

      • Lenae1992

         Funny thing, most people in Brazil are black. Therefore, this means that the standard of beauty is based on the beautiful BLACK Brazilian woman. Black Women are confident and beautiful. You should be ashamed of your self for spreading your hatred. I’m not sure if you’ve had a bad experience with black women of if you’re just rude but either way there is no reason for you to bash a group of people. I know that you will probable just not respond or write something that does not pertain to this reply. There are plenty of beautiful black women in the media such as Gabrielle Union, Taraji P. Henson, Angela Basset, Viola Davis( her spread in Times was AMAZING), Octavia Spencer and several more.

    • Kelly

      When business men want impress…they get blonde women – mainly from Russian and South America. No one goes to Hackney, Harlem, Jamaica or Lagos. No one. 

    • Love_Sexy

      I agree with you because I did not understand why that had to be written in the article as well….Everyone have their own preferences and we know this.

    • Terrence

      You just mad that the editor mentioned that obvious that most white men and not into black women. Some may find you attractive but most don’t. Get over yourself and face the reality that you are not the most desirable woman in the eyes of white men. Each year the Pew Research Center publishes the taste of white men. The list going something like this:

      1) White women/Latina’s
      2) Asian/South Asian women
      3) Hispanic women
      4) Black women

      Each year black women are dead last.

      • Smacks_hoes

        You sound so angry…calm down it’s not that serious o

        • Terrence

          I’m not angry at anything….just telling the truth about how white guys feel about black women. The evidence is all across the internet in the form of blogs and videos. White men make videos everyday trashing black women and you silly females keep talking about white men like you. Bwahahahha 

          • Anonymous

            So are you saying that NBW love BM?
            NBW use you if you have any money than get rid of you…your divorce rate is off the chain and WW marry Latino Men before they marry you.
            NBW say BM are agressive…mean…loud..unfaithful..abusive and terrible fathers..which is why everyday you look on the news one of you is being sued for alimony or child support.
            BM can fool themselves all they want but NBW laugh at you ..the best one is when that guy sent the WW the expensive jewlery thru the mail and she kept it and said she never recieved it…OH…But Elin Woods taking 750 million then getting a White guy to spend it with comes in second..and third has to be the fact Kobe has to live his life with a Woman he’s obviously not happy with just to keep her from bleeding him dry..she went and filed right at the ten year mark too…Bwahahahahaha!  BM are clowns..tricks and downright embarassing believeing NBW  love you..they even make fun of your nappy chest hair..ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

      • colliz6

        You sound real angry dude. The fact that you have come on this site and reiterate what you claim is already all over the internet, WM thrashing BW says to me you’re not only angry but quite insecure. Let’s not fool ourselves here, there’s a lot more BW that don’t dig WM than vice versa. I know so many white guys that are afraid of approaching black women because they think the women may not be into them. In fact i’d be willing to bet that the predominant reason for so few interacial relationships between black women and white men is because a lot of bw simple refuse. How many times have we heard sisters say “i’m waiting for a good black men” there is this loyalty towards BM that so many live by to a fault. But that is slowly changing. According pew every year the numbers between BW and WM marrying increases. In fact it’s half or damn near half that of WW and BW, watch out. Also the divorce rates between black women and white men are far lower than WW and BW  did you miss that in all your research? figures. I guess we can’t be that bad if they stay married to us huh????.

      • http://hizzandherzorganics.com/ nelson

        ALL IN ALL THIS IS THE POINT, If you as a black woman are looking for a white man find him and love him. F$%K A DAMN LIST or SURVEY. If you fall in love with whoever outside your race, AS LONG AS its for the right reason nothing else matters. You think I am going to rely on some LIST when I am looking for a significant other? HELL NO!! I’m going to go with it, and see what happens.

      • Anonymous

        WW aren’t into you either….they marry latino Men three times more than BM
        Your divorce rate is staggering
        The only time you get a WW is when you have money and you usually end up losing more than half when they sue you.

  • Wuluwulu

    Personally, I love black men for relationships and family building.  But like anything else you have to do your homework and search the person before getting too deep.  Some of us sisters are so hungry for love and affection that we don’t do the necessary ground work and then find ourselves in a pile of doodoo later down the road.  There are horrible black men out there in the dating scene, but there are also wonderful black men who are desperately trying to find a wonderful black woman to complement them.  If a white man is your thing, also remember there are horrible ones as well as good ones out there.  At the end of the day as women, we need to do our work and search the person through and through before getting in too deep.

  • Love_Sexy

    Oh here we go again with this….I see a long thread coming.

  • Kelly

    Even the dark woman in the picture is wearing a wig to Look Asian. 

  • Kelly

    Brazil is a county that will shock you. Whites are here HATE blacks –  A group of middle class black women from America walked to the hotel in Brazil and u should of seen how angry white men from Brazil became…..like they wanted them thrown out the hotel. 

  • Kelly

    Is there any current movie star, singer or model of this generation ( not the 80’s ) that is a black, dark skin woman with her natural hair that is considered world class?  I mean.. Halle, Zoe Saldana, Thandie, Beyonce and Rihanna hold down mixed women…..any black women?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/5IJWBJC57FGZKCHGFYSHZFIIX4 DanielleD

      “Hold down Mixed woman”! Its clear from your urban lingo that u r black…n a black jealous male at that! Get over it troll, black woman have more options n we know it! We will start marrying at higher rates n will be oh so blissfully happy n u r mad! Let go n let God~ n get some help because u r clearly verry unhappy

      • Smacks_hoes

        I’ve been saying this!! What bugs me is that this site hasn’t block Kelly the troll yet. She’s made 45 comments alone on this one article. It’s getting out of hand

        • http://hizzandherzorganics.com/ nelson

          Like on poster said, ITS probably just CARRIBEAN IN THE HOUSE, and we KNOW that person is a PLANT, so just ignore IT!! It will go away once no one fuels that CRAP HE/SHE is spitting out.

    • colliz6

      Erica Badu, Jill Scott, Lauren Hill, Afrika ect ect can you just do us all a favor and stop posting all your nonsense??? thanks 

    • Executive_Diva

      This is a true assessment and observation….I have been saying the same thing for a while.  BUT, this is not because beauty does not exist in the darker shades–only this is what the white controlled media prefers.  Then, others buy into it.

  • jessica

    Veronica Wells this article is pile of crap.  “resolving to be with a white man by any means necessary might not be as easy as you think” really??? so it’s hard for a BW to get a WM now? LMAO and we’re suppose to believe this because of John Mayer; like every single white male thinks this way.
     “stepping into the game believing that every white man is going to want you because you’re black, is simply unrealistic”. Maybe in your experience not mine. You say you’re not dissuading BW from dating WM but clearly you are. This whole article is geared towards that. Then you have the nerve to chastize us for being done with BM. There’s more evidence to support black men being done with us, you need to write about that instead of trying to make us feel guilty for choosing to be with white men. And by the way not all BW choose to be with WM by default. Some of us just love being with WM and you know what they love us right back.

    • Kelly

      Well I lived in Brazil ( other countries too ) and I can say white men do not love black women back, in fact, they are so disrespectful to black women – blacks period. Come to Brazil – it is horrid out here for blacks. Clearly she is right, black women write books on how to get white men………John Mayer is the milder version of white men – try Bill O reilly – speaks for a lot of white men  – the majority – hence the attack on the 1st black 1st lady.  Not to mention, white men have skipped over black women to MARRY asian women. That is all I see / white men and asian women.  But white women still remain the global standard of beauty……..how ironic.

      • Smacks_hoes

        Girl be quiet!! One post you say you lived in Dubai, then brazil, then the uk, then canada…lol Please quit making up these lies just to troll this site. Please get a life girl jeez

        • Kelly

          Yes, As a european born, it is common that we are well traveled at a young age. Eve our schools take us on trips abroad when we are young. Something u know nothing about.  My little sister ( 13 ) is going to Belgium  for a school trip. Because of my dad being an Ex pat – we lived all over and we travel alot.  Europeans do that. 

        • Kelly

          I have lived in lived in several countries, spanning all corners of the world.  You will find Danes all over the world. 

        • Kelly

          Danes / Europeans are not like YOU: Never seen a passport or via form and grown up in the same hood as you mama.  My family and I travel the world to watch the Danish football team play.  That is how we are in Europe. 

        • Kelly

          There is more to life than Compton. We do not eve have a Compton in Denmark. 

          • Onyx

            Kelly, I would like to know what nationality are you (specifics please)? Also, why do you like commenting on the blogs targeting to black women?  I mean really why?  I would think in all of your travels that this topic would not interest you much.

            • http://hizzandherzorganics.com/ nelson

              HE/SHE is never going to ANSWER THE QUESTION!! people have been asking since IT STARTED posting here & other articles. NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES you ask, you will never know the real truth to who this ‘KELLY’ is. THAT’S WHY IT SEEMS TO BE A PLANT, just to get people upset.

      • colliz6

        White men do not love black women???? listen lady I don’t care were you’ve lived and what you’ve encountered, you are in no position to make such a statement. White men write books on how to date black women also, it’s not one sided. You’re gonna have to do better than throw around two names of men that don’t care for black women to prove your crazy notion. I guess my two best friends’ (BW) husbands (who are white) forgot to skip over them and marry asians  huh??? so much for your insane notion. All you see is white men and asian women, come to my house honey. BTW about the first lady, clearly all those so called men bashing her are racist pigs and some are probably starch republicans and don’t account for the majority of WM out there. I can’t imagine any well adjusted woman black or white who would want to be with those idiots anyways; so that’s not even a valid point. Like i said before, i love white guys and they love me right back that’s always been my experience. And i know i’m not the only black woman out there that can attest to that.

        • Smacks_hoes

          Lol she’s just a troll. Don’t worry about her. She comments on all these swirl articles. It’s a bit sad. She basically stalks black women.

  • Kelly

    2012 and u are still going on about this and white men.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/5IJWBJC57FGZKCHGFYSHZFIIX4 DanielleD

      I really believe “Kelly” is a black male troll…lol, how would a real non blck female know about blck women worrying about sweating out their hairlines or even know who the actress Octavia Spencer is??? Kelly, I mean Keshawn, u have been exposed? Black women will continue to thrive n rock this world, whether u like it or not~

      • Smacks_hoes

        I’ve exposed her countless times and when she responds to me it has nothing to do with what I said.

      • Love_Sexy

        LMAO!….I see Kelly has finally return and still talking smack….SMH!

      • reese

        Does it matter?  Whoever Kelly is she has nothing better to do than sit and discuss black women.  For some reason we really matter to her.  Her life isn’t all that great look at how she spends her time trying to tear people down.  Sorry, Kelly their is nothing you can say that will change my life or impact me on any level.  You don’t like bw and don’t see that anybody can either………Anything else.  No that is all you have.  Self worth is not defined by how others feel about you, but how we feel about our self.  So who cares what stats you try to pull.  I know I am attractive.  I have a husband, a good job and great life.  And so can any other black women get over it.

      • Kelly

        She won an oscar and a bafta. 

    • reese

      Funny, you are doing most of the comments.  Have of these comments are from you. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=8633338 Jessica Pharm

    I swear the writings on this site have nothing else to write about. Who people chose or chose not to date are their business. I date whomever I chose and don’t have to explain it to no one.

    • Chanda

      I know right? It’s as if this site still doesn’t get it.

    • chaka1

      I am really getting offended with this constant interracial “swirling” coverage. This is an insult to women of every race. If this was a white website everyone would be calling Al Sharpton, the Rainbow Coalition, and their attorneys. This is 2012 and people are free to date, love, marry, procreate, and divorce whoever they want. Black women aren’t any more desperate than any other women.

      • Miller

        if you’re tired stop commenting about it!!!

  • Liliah

    I also think that black women are not the crazy for white men because white people put little pressure on white male appearance so on tv there is the white guy of every womans dreams then there is the real white guy that is hot but not like David Beckham because of less grooming. I have to get on my husband and every white male coworker about hair cuts and facial hair.

  • IllyPhilly

    What? I hope people don’t date interracial for “good” hair babies. I hope they date cuz they’re in love or they have great 0ragasms. 

    • Mrsadkiah

      Did you see a previous comment? Some girl straight up said she wont date Black men b/c she doesn’t want babies with nappy hair. It’s so ridiculous. 

      • IllyPhilly

        That is a damn shame.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JAI4SRENU2A5WKRTELXXYJPDSI Kayla

        and that’s what kills me everytime a white person in the media or is known to have full lip injection, but injections, tan skin etc. they are automatically trying to be black. But the minute you attack their weave/perm, they always give you the “oh it’s a protective style” or “hair is just hair” . Now aint that some ish

        • Kelly

          Black people are not born tan – they are black, not tan. 

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JAI4SRENU2A5WKRTELXXYJPDSI Kayla

            where in my comment did i say they were tan?

          • Mrsadkiah

            Actually I was born damn near White. I was so pale so do not speak for all Black babies

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JAI4SRENU2A5WKRTELXXYJPDSI Kayla

            i was born tan/lightskin and i got darker later

        • Mrsadkiah

          Yes that bothers me also. I’m not saying that all Black women get weave b/c they’re trying to look like White women, if you said that to them they’d probably be shocked. However I do feel as though when you get to the root of it, that may be the issue. 
          I also don’t think that White women are trying to be Black by getting lip injections and what not but they are trying to create features that Black women naturally possess (full lip, round bottom etc). 

          • http://hizzandherzorganics.com/ nelson

            I am 37yrs old & CAN SAY THAT IS SO FAR FROM THE TRUTH. I grew up in the era of big LIPS & BUTTS being considered disgusting and gross. BECAUSE they were supposedly typical to black MEN & WOMEN! White women that wore wigs and HAIR PIECES back in the day went out their way to hide it. THE ALLUSION that they all had long flowing hair had to be maintained. THEY began to cut their hair and get curly perms to MOCK our Afros. Wore plaits because of Black women. THROUGHOUT HISTORY they have always patterned themselves after us. Now I don’t think white WOMEN WANT TO BE US any more than we want to be them. WE BOTH LIKE THINGS THE OTHER RACE HOLDS. SO WE DO WHAT WE CAN TO GET CLOSE. White women & SEVERAL OTHER non-black women wear weaves.

          • Onyx

            I wear weave as an educated black woman because it is like an accessory just like jewelry or make-up.  Why can’t a woman just want a “different” look?  White women do it all the time (weaves/hair color etc.) but no one passes judgment on them.  Why do we as black women allow our hair to define who we are?  Btw I am transitioning back to 100% natural and love what God gave me, BUT I reserve the right to diversify with wigs/weaves, make-up or whatever else floats my boat at the time….

    • Love_Sexy

      Exactly!

  • Hottness

    Also um white men want to put thier cream in coffee as robin thicke said and an ex boyfriend said men period want to be “in” but its different for women.

  • Cherry Valentine

    Personally I think black men love dating white women  more than black women love dating white men, also this tends to be more socially acceptable.  for this reason I don’t agree with this article, we don’t need any discouragement from black women dating white men.  I don’t think we date them for the wrong reasons, personally I’ve dated white men more than black men because it just so happens that white men have treated me with way more respect. 

    • Smacks_hoes

      In my opinion it seems as if black men date white men for superficial reasons. Like I’ll hear a black guy say “I want to date a women with long beautiful real hair” (I actually hear this alot!!) as opposed to black women that date white men. I usually see really educated black women (with multiple degree’s) with men of different races simply because black men going to college is getting more and more scarce. Women usually want to date a man of her social status.

      • http://howhereallythinks.com/ Jamel Mont

         Biggest lie I’ve heard! Men don’t sit around and talk about hair. Only women and homos do. I’ve NEVER heard ONE BM talk about hair texture…that’s a female’s convo and a female/WM started that lie.

        • Smacks_hoes

          How is it a lie if I’ve heard it with my own ear multiple time…I have two good friends and their both straight black males. One of them have this crazy obsession with white chicks and the other likes Mexican women. I’ve asked them before why they love white and Mexican women and the “real hair” issue was one of the first things on the list among, black women are loud, ghetto, etc. So don’t tell me what is a lie when I’ve heard it on multiple occasions with my own ears

          • http://howhereallythinks.com/ Jamel Mont

             That’s not the norm…ask some more BM. In fact we wear our natural hair.

          • Sol Rothstein

            It is a lie, brothas use to make joke about women wearing weave, so how can they want something folk made jokes about.

        • cabugs

          What Smacks_Hoes says is true. I have also heard a few black young men on my college campus say that they want a woman with “real, long hair”. I had my hair in braids at the time (w/ fake hair pieces I bought from the store). It was slightly embarassing to me at the time because they happened to be conversing loudly at the time, and were talking about that as I entered the bus where they were already seated. Not just once have a heard this, but several times. Smacks_Hoes is telling the truth. Some straight, black men do have preferences for hair texture and length for women, and they talk about it. I am sure men of other races have preferences too; I have just personally heard black guys talk about this.

          • http://howhereallythinks.com/ Jamel Mont

             I can’t say it’s not a preference for some, he may like that look. i’m saying we don’t sit around as me in the barbershops and say we want babies with ‘good hair’. The subject has NEVER come up.

          • Terrence

            Why so bitter? if the brothers prefer a woman with silky hair, so what!!! You just upset these same brothers aren’t checking for you. I bet all those beautiful non black women on campus like 5x better than you and have more to offer in the long run.

            • colliz6

              This statement right here proves BM or way more superficial when it comes to dating outside their race. So that silky hair is better than nappy hair huh??? which in turn makes those non black women 5x better than a sister right?? wow spoken like a true self hating black man. And for the record cabugs wasn’t been bitter all she was doing was telling her experience of the shallowness of a few BM she came into cantact with. Clearly you’re one of them otherwise you wouldn’t be so quick to act all bent out of shape. Try telling your mama that a white woman’s hair is better than hers. 

            • reese

              Hmm, I wonder why they have higher divorce rates with non black women.  Pull up the US census and see that bm/wm have the highest divorce rates of everybody and bw and wm have lowest in the country.  Maybe they have more to offer than you obviously.

              • Sol Rothstein

                No that is incorrect. Wm and WW have the lowest.

            • Anonymous

              Just like NBM have so much more to offer than the average BM..they smile…work and don’t whine and complain about everything under the sun like BM do constantly..also they have smooth chest hair and you can actually run your fingers thru their hair …not those awful nappy braids …thsy are just better than ya’ll…hands down

              • http://hizzandherzorganics.com/ nelson

                GO F$%K YOURSELF!! 

                • Anonymous

                  Go F**K  YA  MAMA!

                  • http://hizzandherzorganics.com/ nelson

                    MAYBE I WANT TO F#$K YOUR MAMA!! LMAO! That might be fun. F$%K OFF IDIOT. YOU AREN’T WORTH MY TIME. I see I have to put you on punishment like I did some other posters on other articles. YOU ARE IN TIME OUT!! I wont be commenting to anymore of your entries cause you are a lost cause.

          • Sol Rothstein

            Brothas are not into long hair. WOMEN you all put that on yourselves. Most Rapper talk about short hair cuts not long hair. EPMD, Anita Baker cut, and Toni Braxton when she had short hair. Get it right!

            • Anonymous

              That’s very untrue and EPMD rapped when i was in grade school …FYI things have changed since then..you should get it right!

        • http://hizzandherzorganics.com/ nelson

          I agree with you Bro. i believe if they are discussing it as a man, THEY HAVE GAY TENDENCIES or something. Even if a man does prefer a certain hair texture, I WOULD FIND IT extremely unusual if I hear any talking about it. RED FLAG LADIES!! Even if they claim to be straight.

          • Anonymous

            You would know about gay tendencies wouldn’t you azzhole?

            • http://hizzandherzorganics.com/ nelson

              WELL, I’m a 37yr old mother of 2 that married the father of my children in 1999. SO YEAH I AM SOOOOO GAY!! What a waste. You’re a punk because not only have you refused to place a picture but you’re posting under anonymous. ANYONE CAN DO THAT. Hell I can start another profile and do that. ANYWAY LIKE I SAID IN THE LAST POST TO YOU DUMMY, You are flushed. NO MORE FUEL FROM ME. Get your rocks off from whoever else wants to play with you. LOSER!!!

      • Cherry Valentine

        Hm I must say I would agree with you on that I’m graduating from a university this May lol you may be right

  • Jazzmine_lopez

    I’m black and Hispanic and I only date white men because black men are cheap and cheaters. They don’t take care of their kids either. Besides that I don’t want to have dark children with nappy hair.

    • Smacks_hoes

      Lol at least your being honest…

    • Kelly

      That sums what black women really think. Well done for being honest

    • Mrsadkiah

      Smfh. Yes at least your honest. 

    • Kelly

      wow….6 people like that. Black women DO suffer from self hatred and wish to be white women

      • http://hizzandherzorganics.com/ nelson

        “THAT’S A LIE, THAT’S A LIE!!” But I feel you for those who believe that ISH! Maybe its the black women that do wish to be WHITE WOMEN. Baby, We in GENERAL do not hate being black. WE HATE THE HAND we’ve been dealt, and just want to start the game over. BLACK WOMEN didn’t benefit from THE EQUAL RIGHTS movements for women or blacks. WELL let’s face it neither did BLACK MEN really, but they came up better than us. Black women just need a fair shot, instead of being ‘LABELED’ instantly by everyone they encounter. IT’S what we’ve been given to work with. Black women in my experiences in life, HAVE MORE LOVE for their ROOTS THAN black men. I said in my life now. I NEVER say actual & factual until I know for sure.

        • MrsMay

          I am probably really ignorant when it comes to this but I didn’t grow up in America so I am really asking out lack of knowledge. Why do you think that black women didn’t benefit from the equal rights movement? It is obviously not perfect but I am trying to understand why the need to start the game over? What standpoint are you referring to education? Job opportunity? ?

          • Onyx

            I am a post-graduate educated black female that often feels somewhat out of place.  I grew up in a diverse community with a high percentage of whites but have never truly assimilated into the mainstream community. I love being who I am and who God made me; however, it just gets tiresome being “black” first before everything else that I am.  Sometimes, you just want to go to a new venue without having to ask yourself if the people are “used to” blacks first.  It’s like being black predisposes you to have to always be conscious of race while I don’t feel as if my white counterparts are like this.  Black women have to CONSTANTLY defend ourselves, our image and over-compensate to dispel the harsh stereotypes that others as well as often ourselves perpetuate.  Are there any other black females who can relate?  Let me give you an example.  At a previous job, I was the only female on a team with about 5 other males (2 White, 1 Black, 2 Latino).  Somehow, one of the white co-workers and I began to become friendly and more relaxed around each other.  During a conversation, he shared with me how he at first thought I was a b*%#& (you know the rest), but was surprised to learn that I was really warm and friendly.  From that point on, he nicknamed me “Sunshine”.  However, the point is he falsely translated my conscientious work ethic into “angry black woman”.  He was wrong; however, that was his first assumption.  I can’t begin to tell you how many times I have been through situations like this, although, most times people just assume and don’t take the time to get to know you.  To the world, you are a black woman first and all that comes along with it.  I honestly don’t feel like other races get pre-judged as harshly.  Even with all that said, I wouldn’t change who am I for the world, but that is the part that makes me not like being a “black woman”.  I just want to be a person first who happens to be black, but the world won’t allow it.  Even my own people place judgment on what they feel a black woman should be.  Quite honestly, I have often asked God what is it about Black people that so much animosity is directed at us worldwide and cross-generationally.  There has to be something more to this.

        • HARDMIKE

          Some black women secretly desire to be white women. They want white hair, they want white husbands, they want to live a “white” lifestyle. Not saying that there arent black men who do so, but its black women that have been creating “movements”, websites, movies, and blogs to express how badly they covet what white women have.

          • guest

            *sigh*

            Nobody desires to be a fat white woman, but ya’ll bitter black males would love for that to be the  case.

            FAIL!

            You’re just mad because black women are leaving in droves while ya’ll have the ghetto mammies to deal with…

    • Kelly

      Instead of black women lashing out at white women in jealousy and envy – I would like that they be honest and say they do not want kids with dark skin and nappy hair. You will never hear a white woman say she does not want kids with blonde hair and blue eyes. 

      • jessica

        I’ve actually heard white women say they want mixed babies cause pale isn’t cute. They prefer the tan skin color and curly hair of biracial children. So i guess we’re not the only ones self loathing. Haha!!!

      • http://twitter.com/Cognorati001 Colette Marcheline

         You’re obviously a white racist.  What are you doing on a black site?

        • Sugar_Spice

          I was trying to figure out who they were myself.  Based on their responses i’m willing to bet they are a black male who hasn’t had the best experiences with black women

        • ValdaDeDieu

          Thank you for seeing through “Kelly” and “Jazzmine”!  They’re both frauds and their comments are typical of the kind of posts found on any article dealing with interracial dating.

          I’m laughing so hard at their comments. INSANE. You can see the abysmal level of intellect in their rantings , yet they imagine everyone is as lowbrow as they are…PATHETIC.

      • anonyme

        I have heard white women say they prefer mixed babies than white babies. My friend (a white girl) has always said she only wants mixed babies or nothing at and she cannot stand white guys she finds them dirty and unkept and she eventually is engaged to my cousin and they had a baby. I dated a white guy who hates white women had nothing positive to say about them. At first it was funny to see that black women aren’t the only ones being stereotyped by their own men and after a while I grew tired of him bashing his own race and realised that he dates outside his race for all the wrong reasons. He’s now married to a pakistani girl and always says to me this could’ve been you lol

      • http://hizzandherzorganics.com/ nelson

        BUT SERIOUSLY, WHAT DO ‘YOU’ LOOK LIKE??! Cause you have to be BUSTED ALL THE F$%K UP!! If not you would have no reason at all to be so HATE FILLED! SO You Are An UGLY TORE DOWN THANG, That’s why you’re mad. Either that or your woman/man LEFT YOUR TIRED @$$ FOR, Dare I say it……….. A BLACK!!!! Oh no. YOU POOR THING!! Shut the HELL up and stop posting on interracial articles if its such a TOUCHY subject for you. DAMN!! Is this what makes your world go around?? GET SOMETHING ON YOUR MIND!! 

      • Onyx

        This is true as well as this is VERY problematic thinking.  However, the reason why some black people in general feel this way is because the world puts being black on the bottom of the totem pole so to speak.  If a black nation was a major world power now, everyone would desire black features and blond hair and blue eyes would be despised the way black is despised now.  Black people have been ridiculed, belittled, devalued and often thought as less than human in the minds of many not even a whole century ago (speaking in terms of U.S. history now).  The United States is considered a world power that many nations subscribe to, hence, the “white is right” ideal.  It’s the same way in Europe although I am sure some aspects are different.

    • Kelly

      wow 7 people like this. So what is the problem when Lil wayne and rappers call black women nappy and dark skin? 

      • reese

        But he married a dark black women.

    • http://howhereallythinks.com/ Jamel Mont

       Rat hair is no better. Plus white men rape their kids…be careful!

    • http://howhereallythinks.com/ Jamel Mont

       God gave his only begotten son our hair…you think God don’t know what time it is is huh? SMH

    • FromUR2UB

      If you have black in you, then at least one of your kids will have some telltale texture to his/her hair.  You can’t change DNA, and it always shows up, eventually.  Whoever taught you to feel disdain for part of your heritage, should feel ashamed, and since your heritage will also be part of your children’s heritage, shame on you for deciding to continue that.

      Wow.  And people actually commended this.  How sad.

      • Mrsadkiah

        SAY THIS 100X MORE! First of all, you guys now Kelly is trolling and trying to get that “angry black woman” rise of of us. I’m Black, and I love all 5’3″ and 3/4 and 110 lbs of myself. Thanks goodness I had a mother who raised my adopted sisters and I to appreciate the fact that all three of us have three different hair textures that were equally beautiful and that all three of our varying body types were beautiful. She did not teach us “light skinned” vs “dark skinned” and “good hair” vs “bad hair”.
         
        I think it’s funny for someone to attempt to say that “black women simply don’t like themselves”. About the only thing I’ll give Kelly there is the hair, but then that’s still not representative of all Black women. Black women love their hips, and full lips and round butts, and so do the Black men. Now if we could just work on all of us loving our kinky nappy hair we’d be golden :)

        • Smacks_hoes

          When I said “at least your being honest lol” it was more of a sarcastic, shame on you remark that a congratulatory statement. The thing is I think as a younger individual I used to feel that way. I would think “man white women have it so easy all they have to do is wake up wash their hair and go” but not that I’m older now I’ve found love is my hairs texture. I love how thick it is, and how it looks in certain styles. When cared for properly it could look just as great as a white woman’s hair! Other than that I’m pretty happy with the way I’m look. Generally all women are a little self conscious but for the most part I love my naturally dusty brown hair, light brown (naturally tanned!!) skin, full bust, and thick thighs.

          • Mrsadkiah

            I know. I didn’t think you were cool with that ignorance I just had to comment. And while I can’t relate to ever feeling like I wanted to be white, I know that your past feelings are something that many little Black girls go through. My little sister wanted to be White with all her heart and it used to just piss me off. Like I said my mother did a good job at teaching us to love ourselves and I remember saying in the 5th grade that If I were reincarnated that I want to be Black again lol!

            I remember being young and whenever I’d see Black women wearing their hair naturally I envied it so much (I’d been given a perm at age 8). Obviously you didn’t see naturals as much back then but I hated that my hair couldn’t do that. On my own, Black has always been beautiful to me. I actually hated being so thin for a long time because the rest of the Black girls were thick lol! Now I’m still a petite lil thing but I have curves :)

            I don’t know all of this Black hate simply did not touch me. I’m just lucky I presume. I’m glad that you have come to love all of you as well :)

    • darkman

      Good. So how many of them propose? None? Because they had Jungle fever? Once you cure them, they go back to their skinny blondes… And you jump in the bed of your next patient… You’ve being used, honey… Love people for who they are not what they are. But I guess you are 17 and full of illusion…

      • colliz6

        UhMM!! is it also called jungle fever when black men are chasing white women and vice versa.???? Just curious.

        • darkman

          Black people are not considered, you know. The black man dating a white woman was usually seen by white as ashamed of his race, and that’s the white woman who got the Jungle fever. Don’t forget, we’re living in a white world…

        • http://hizzandherzorganics.com/ nelson

          YES

    • darkman

      How many white men  propose so far? None? Maybe because they have a little Jungle fever… Once they are cured, they go back to their usual girfriends (white) and you are ready for your next patient… Love people for who they are, not what they are.
      If white men where so perfect, why do they divorce?

      • DARKMAN

        You are probably 17, still learning… Whether your future kids have nappy hair or not, they will be consider black… Unless you do like Michael Jackson, you are doomed by your DNA…

        • Anonymous

          And she could just be a regular BW that doesn’t prefer BM…..trust and believe there are plenty of us out there…it looks to me like you’re self medicating and making up any story you can to cope with this fact….17? Come on…you can do better than that!

          • DARKMAN

             No need to medicate when you think right.
            BW that date WM just for their skin color aren’t better than BM dating WW for the same reason. I have plenty friends married with WM or WW for LOVE, not for the color. Under valuing yourself won’t help you. Jussayin’…

      • Anonymous

        You’re just mad she doesn’t want BM…WW use BM everyday and go back to thier own Men once they’re done with you so called ”mandingos” just like Elin Woods now has a WM and just like Chelsea Handler used 50 and then called him a N****r ….you BM are so pathetic! Oh and speaking of divorce…check out the BM’s divorce rate!

        • darkman

          Hello ANONYMOUS, not so anonymous…. You’re so sensitive, a moderator had to edit you…before deleting you straight…
          While you spent your time replying to everyone I found something that will hit neurons (I hope you still have a few): a study in UK demonstrates that WW are more attracted by BM than by WM!!! So,Mandingo is going nowhere… Unfortunately, the same study shows that WM prefer asian women to BW. You understand why there are more mixed couple BM/WW than WM/BW?
          Champagne or beer?

          • Anonymous

            The moderator can delete all HE wants to but you get the message…sweetie….I could care less about your studies especially since you claim it’s from the UK…which has NOTHING to do with this conversation…Furthermore im  not keeping count …im making the point that you delusional BM try to come on here and act like all races of Women love you and that everythings  cool when it comes to BM/WW relationships but the news…the internet…. and most importantly the American CENSUS BUREAU  tell a different story…Kobe ..Tiger…and Terrance Howard are just a few names that I can mention when it comes to the messy public breakups these relationships have.  Oh…and you can keep your champagne and beer to wash down the crow.

            • darkman

              Referring to that study wasn’t to prove that BM are desired… It was just to respond to some stupid assertion on BM being used by WW.
              There are millions of mixed couples over the world and a lot are married for their entire life (I have several uncle married over 30 years with a WW). Athletes/entertainers shouldn’t be role models since they don’t live our ordinary life. But since you point Tiger, let me oppose to him Jordin Sparks’ parents who are still married… Sweetie

      • Anonymous

        You mean like Chelsea Handler used 50 ..then called him a N?

        Or do you mean like how Elin Woods has  White boyfriend and they’re spendinging Tiger’s money all over town?

        BM get used and discarded by WW continuously….once the WW gets her fill of you so called ”Mandingos” she kicks you to the curb….stop lying to yourself son..

        • darkman

           read above, sweetie

          • Anonymous

            I don’t need to read ish…sweetie…answer the question!

    • http://hizzandherzorganics.com/ nelson

      Another LOST SOUL. If we watch the same News stories and REALITY SHOWS, we see it is no longer typical to BLACK MEN to be deadbeat fathers. SO YOU SHOULD CHECK THE STATS!! But If Us Women of COLOR would stop taking these men(BLACK) into our homes and acting like we’re their mothers, they wont use us THE F$%K UP! I’ve been played by a guy as far as being cheated on. Not too many people haven’t. BUT FINANCIALLY, I never carried a man I was involved with. Even it it started to look like it was coming to that, old dude was ‘CUT OFF’, just like that. Women want to blame a man for getting played, but let them keep coming back because of good sex. OR TO PROVE TO whoever he left you for that you can still have him. Believe me I have seen it done. BUT WHITE WOMEN DO IT TO SWEETIE. For their white men, and what ever nationality they are dating. I WONT DEAL WITH A CHEAP, CHEATING @$$ DEADBEAT of any race. BUT THEY ARE DEFINITELY IN ALL RACES!!

    • Anonymous

      I agree and these BM have been saying the same thing for years…they’re just mad because we’re now practicing the same tactics they have used forever and it messes with their egos…When i do have children they definitely will not be with a BM ! Yuck..even.the thought of it makes me want to vomit!

    • http://www.rishona.net/ Shona

      Unreal. I hope you realize that just because someone is 1/2 white, that doesn’t mean that they won’t be brown-skinned or have kinky hair. My BF is White and his daughter is tanned brown (like Halle Berry) with short, soft, kinky hair. You should just be thankful that your child is healthy and happy. I am thankful that my mother doesn’t think like you (my father is light-skinned with long, wavy hair…and I got none of his genes. Yet I’m still loved & wanted….imagine that!)

      • darkman

         Agreed. Your kid will choose who they want, especially if it’s exactly what you hate…
        Some people don’t realized that hating their own race hurt them even more. White people can see that. They always deal with authentic people instead of beggers

    • Onyx

      You are being honest, but I am appalled at your self-hate .  Why do you feel that being “dark” and “nappy headed” is a bad thing?  You really need to question yourself as to why you feel like that is bad.

  • Hottness

    usually for black women its opening a door that’s already been there its just not closed. White men and men period are the ones asking for dates, your time, and your love. I have never seen black women asking white men out its just not something we do. Its like that white guy at work or school is not talking to u to bother u maybe he likes you and u should smile or something and give him a chance.

  • elsie c

    Go sistas!  Go for the swirl!  I suppose you can wait for brothers if you wish…no thank you

  • Smacks_hoes

    I definately agree with this article. I remember that time in my life where I had a big thing for white boys, then it was my yellow fever phase, now here I am. I will say this, I’m more drawn towards white men, middle eastern men, and native American men, but I would nvr turn down a good looking, smart, funny black man just because he’s black. That would be just silly.

    • Kelly

      Middle eastern men? I lived in Dubai, rich arab would die than marry a black woman.

      • Smacks_hoes

        Lol Kelly stop the madness. I could careless about where you lived, but here in America I’ve gotten hit of by a ton of middle eastern men. Most men like good looking women. Only low class loser focus solely on race. Educated people don’t ficus on such trivial issues.

        • Kelly

          Black women are not considered beautiful by any races standard and you know. I cannot think of a famous dark skin woman that is a worldwide star of this generation.  It has nothing to do with education, Bill O reilly and michelle Malki of Fox news are educated; Donald Trump is ivy league educated and rich…but we all know what they think of blacks…..even the president.

          • Pedro Riley Olvera

            I am married to a black woman. I have grown up with mostly black friends, black music and probably know more about black habits and culture than many non blacks but if you think that approving of the socialist president Barack Obama makes you ok then you don’t even want to know what I think. I think the most beautiful black women are also on Fox News too. A black woman should be able to date who she wishes for her own reasons and all the black women in the world can stick to their own business. One more thing, blacks are still looked down on by many people (especially other minorities) but if you are going to sit around and complain you might get fat waiting for change. The cup is not 100% full but its half full or in your case half empty. My daughter competes in science and engineering competitions and I will say there are more whites than blacks but both are far out numbered by Indians and east Asians. Its all effort baby! Quit complaining, you did not get aborted and its all free will from there on out.

          • MrsMay

            What gives you the impression that black women are not considered pretty or beautiful by other races? Are u basing this on one sample of experience? I am Jamaican by birth but black and I have been hit on by countless men of different races and have been told by many of different races how beautiful i amam so I can’t see how you arrive at that conclusion. One experience doesn’t make that the way of the land. Your experience doesn’t define the world so what do you have to logically back up your claim?

        • Kelly

          Only low class people think of race….LOL I lived in Brazil for 2 years all the rich white women of high class hate the hell out of black.  Go to the UK – Rich blue blood aristocrats do mix with blacks. What about the rich high class golf world? Now u know why Tiger woods is on edge about being black.

          • Kelly

            rich white men.

          • Pedro Riley Olvera

            ok Kelly, you sound well traveled. Brazil does have issues with blacks on the upper levels definitely. Enjoy life and don’t let what others think bother you. God has created you as you are. There will always be something about you for someone to discriminate against you on. Make the world your world and live and love in it as you wish. Don’t concentrate on your blackness its a trap. Black is beautiful to me (I am not black) but that’s because I don’t care what people think. I do notice something in Hollywood even with black movies, that light skinned women are still the ones shown as beautiful ones. Dark skinned ones are either prostitutes or the smart ones. Give me a smart one with an opinion any day. The brothers can run from that if they like. Some of them look very handsome with their blonds too. What do I care?

          • island-queen

            REALLYYYYYYYYY…wow u r so educated not!…see this is what the human race and stupid people like you fail to realize!..no matter how rich or poor- good looking or not!……it does not matter- y? ( u ignorant fool!)…it does not matter because one sweet day u will lay silent in the grave!…when u die or about to die?…  does it really matter!….are you going to take your good looks and money into your coffin!!!…MY PEOPLE WAKE UP!….life is not about that!!!….

        • Kelly

          Poor low class whites are likely to commit crimes against blacks.But rich high class whites are the ones who use money and power to oppress blacks. The rates of middles eastern men married to black women in the USA do no amount to anything. 

          • Smacks_hoes

            You do realize your basically talking to yourself because you’ve made like 12+ post and everyone is ignoring you. Calm down your rant is not necessary. The fact of the matter is good looking people date good looking people. I’m sorry that your and lonely that you want to take all your anger a frustration out on black women but I could Careless what you think my darling. Their are gorgeous women of every race and nationality. I’m sorry people aren’t as close minded and ridiculous as you. Good day

          • Kay

            Geez, girl! Where are you from?! Not where have you travelled, but where did you pick up this line of reasoning? I am not one to pass judgement on one’s life experiences, but WOW. For me, this is a new one….

        • Kelly

          You get hit on……but not one married you.  Hookers get hit on by many men too

          • ebonyyy

            you need to go jump off a cliff seriously you babbling fountain of pestilence and ignorance……black women arent beautiful by any standards.? than why do white women spend so much money getting but implants lip injections and tanning TUH. please…go take that bullsnacks somewhere else

        • Sugar_Spice

          Yes I too have been hit on by A LOT of Middle Eastern men

      • Smacks_hoes

        But I will say this…there’s alot of racist indian men. I realize that.lol I’m not stupid. That still doesn’t negate the fact that I get hit on by them alot on campus. Maybe it’s because I’m pretty. *shrugs*

        • Kelly

          It is not racist to want to marry your own woman, and have kids of your own race. 

        • Kelly

          Pretty? The only black woman that is pretty is Halle Berry. Unless u look like that……you are not pretty by the global word standard. 

          • jessica

            Uhmm i guess the reigning miss universe 2011 Leila Lopes whose from Angola (African) and  20 shades darker than Berry doesn’t cut it ehhh!! 

          • darkman

            Really? All your rants to deliver this?
            There is no global standard in beauty, sweetie. Arabs love long nose, whites love skinny, black love big butt….
            If you used white people criteria to classify beauty, nobody than white girls will pass… Halle Berry is not pretty for a lot of black men because she has no or few black attributes… she’s mixed

          • Guest

             Wow, I hope that you are not an adult walking around with a mentality like that! The sheer ignorance that you have spewed in your posts is deplorable!

          • http://hizzandherzorganics.com/ nelson

            BUT WHAT DO ‘YOU’ LOOK LIKE??!! Because you stay on these RACE DRIVEN entries, JUST TO rant & rave as others have said!! What is your deal with the BLACK RACE? It’s obvious that you are not even restricting your comments to a particular nationality of Black people. YOU JUST HAVE IT IN FOR ALL OF US HUH??!! More power to you, for whatever you are so angry about.

            • Ginger Bizkit

              like all black ppl with low self esteem he’s black .

          • mochahontis

            Have you seen all of the Black women in the world.  You sound like an idiot…

      • http://howhereallythinks.com/ Jamel Mont

         Are you married or engaged??

        • Kelly

          I am young and having fun. 

          • http://www.facebook.com/kayla.esbjorn Kayla Ancrum

            Hahahahahaha.
            That means she’s single.
            If there’s one thing that ALL men don’t find attractive its crazy chicks.

            • Smacks_hoes

              Lol I’m willing to bet Kelly is an angry black male. Notice she only comments on swirl articles on Madamenoire and bossip

              • guest

                Kelly does sound like a bitter, colorstruck black male…

          • guest

            nah, you sound old and bitter…

            why else are you on the black blogs spewing the same nonsense about black women?

            again, you’re sad, old, and bitter.

            get a life…black women seem to have one and not you…

            go figure…

      • TT

        lol you must be a ugly looking black woman

        us beautiful black chicks and especially the ones in my circle have atleast ALL Been with arab guys before…i currently have five asking to dine me.

        • HARDMIKE

          SMH at you thinking that is some type of accomplishment. All of your friends have slept with arabs? Do y’all also put “dates” on Craiglist?

      • darkman

        I agree with you, there is nothing less racist than arabs. I’ve been in Tunisia and they refused to rent to black people when we arrived. A friend who was in Algeria in the 70’s told me, young Algerians used to thorw stones at them… They hate us because they beat and exterminate our ancestors in North Africa to take their land.
        Off course, when they grew up in America, is different because they are use to black people. But I can’t stop shaking my head when I see black stars P.Diddy) organizing celebration in arabs countries or Mariah Carey naming her son “Morocco”. Star power? Yes. Star ignorance? Yes too.

        • Monitorette

          So stupid.
           Africa does not equal to Black only. There are always been ‘white’ inhabitants in North Africa

          • http://hizzandherzorganics.com/ nelson

            YEAH DUH, Since the invasion of Africa BY ARABS then EUROPEANS!! Hence Madagascar & a lot of South and North Africans. BUT IT SHOULD = Black since, IT DID ORIGINALLY. I think the idea of dating outside your race because you are tired of the way you are being, or have been treated by the mates you’ve chosen in your race is IDIOTIC!! If I ever decide to date someone that isn’t in my race, IT WILL DEFINITELY be all because of the attraction to the person. Its not fair to do it for any other reason. AND I’ve been approached by men from SOOOO many different nationalities. I just have been in mostly long term relationships. So I just wasn’t ever available. I wont say I wouldn’t date outside my race. BUT IT WILL be for love if I do it. 

            • Monitorette

              No:
               Geographically, The Negro features starts after the Sahara area. Not because of people being pushed back, but because of Adaptation to the Environment ( I’m using the negro word here in no derogatory manner ) . North Africa History has nothing to do with South Africa History…I guess you are just like those people who claims that the Ancient Egyptians were Black?

              • Notme

                 very much so, they were black just because european and arab collective efforts supressed this knowledge doesnt make it untrue.

              • HARDMIKE

                Stop posting. You have no idea what you’re talking about. The Ancient Egyptians were black, if they werent, why did the “Greeks” have to discover them? How come the “Arabs” had to invade. And the most telling, why is there only Egyptian architechture  in Egypt and Nubia? Why isnt the Egyptian language a part of the Arab and Greek base languages if the Ancient Egyptians werent black? Why bury Nubia beneath the Aswan High Dam? Because whites were salvages until they interacted with the people who started civilization, AFRICANS. BLACK PEOPLE BUILD ANCIENT EGYPT, that is why some of the statues are missing their noses, why the EGYPTIANS PAINTED SCULPTED AND DESCRIBED THEMSELVES AS BLACK. 

                YOU”RE A DUMB A$$. Do you really think that whites were the only ones capable of recording history? MOST IF NOT ALL WHITE HISTORY ARE LIES. DONT BELIEVE ME? JUST LOOK AT WHITE HISTORICAL LITERATURE FROM THE 1800s, or WHITE SCIENCE BOOKS FROM THE 1800s, IF HALF OF THE THINGS THEY PUBLISHED NOT EVEN 200 years AGO IS FULL OF LIES, I CAN ONLY IMAGINE ALL THE OTHER LIES THEY HAVE WRITTEN. HECK THEY DIDNT EVEN KNOW ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE UNTIL BLACKS (MOORS) CONQUERED EUROPE. JUST LOOK AT LITERATURE FROM THAT TIME PERIOD AS THEY “ATTEMPTED” TO “EXPLAIN” BLACK PEOPLE. And blacks have always lived in Nubia (their are hundreds of pyramids in Nubia, but you wouldnt know because no one white bothered to tell you) How can you live in a place like Egypt, where blacks have always lived, and not know about black people, unless you’re lying, which they are.

                Your poor white people, for all the superiority they claim, they did absolutely nothing of historical note in the ancient world, no pyramids like in Egypt or South America or China, no monolithic structures, nothing, all they every built was Stonehenge, and they aint sure who built that. Yet they can claim superiority over people such as yourself, because you know no history besides the history they thought you in their schools.
                SMH AT YOUR INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF IGNORANCE

                • SOPHIA

                  Sadly enough, I am married, 16 years, to an Egyptian(fair skinned and very curly hair) and he most definitely claims he is white. He doesn’t understand why black people think Egyptians are “Black”. So many Egyptians also believe in the white is better. They really go for the blonde hair and blue eyes.   They claim there is no racism because of Mohamed/Islam.  My husband thought I was spanish or something initially.  By the way, my mother is Black and my father is Italian, married since 1961.  Honestly I don’t think my husband would have given me a second look if i were darker or had curlier hair.  By the way I am lighter than his father and one of his brothers and sisters, so that means his people are brown. I believe white propaganda has a lot to do with Egyptian beliefs. Many Egyptians feel no connection to the Afrikan black/Negro; eventhough many have tougher/rougher/nappier hair, wider features or blacker skin than alot of black people.  They will not and do not consider themselves black.  When the white people came to Africa they did same to them as they did to the slaves here in America.  White is better ??? And then raped the women and created mixed children with all invasions from others.   It truly  has had a terrible effect on the image that beautiful black people may have of themselves.  Another point to be made is Passports: My Egyptian husband’s passport says he is Caucasian as well as many of his friends and family. So his belief is comfirmed.
                  And believe it or not he has demonstrated a little overtly racism towards my black family.  He doesn’t come around them much.  No . . . they all have jobs, mostly educated and none have been to prison.  His beliefs were molded from white propaganda. In closing, do what makes you happy.  Love and Respect yourself for who you are and who God made you. Love yourself first.  Believe me it’s what’s on the inside that counts. Don’t be mad at the white people, it was their insecurity and greed that brought them to where they are.   We all suffer.  Let’s not forget Life began in AFRICA.  So Genetcally, technically and biologically speaking we are all Humans, sisters and brothers from Africa.  Check out “The Journey of Man: A Genetic Odyssey” by Spencer Wells on DVD or hardcover. 

                  • TJ

                    Ok, Sophia just an honest question here. Why are you married to someone who is so obviously racist and you’re half black? How do you stomach that? Or doesn’t it bother you since you say you’re very light? and do you not identify with your black self?   I’m light too, but both my parents are black, but no way in hell would I marry someone with racist tendencies. 

                    • Monitorette

                      OK. You people have to realize that the Anthropology consider the Arab people as white people, not like the European, but let’s say a different ‘branch’ of White.
                      The Arab world today starts from Morocco and ends in the Arab peninsula. The people from North Africa are culturally Arab people, but genetically speaking, they are a mix of Berbers (the first inhabitants of North Africa) and of Arabs. The Arab expansion in North Africa took place in the 7th century of our era: so that means that there were Blacks only in Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia &Egypt until the 7th century????? Yes, there were Black people, but a small proportion, because the Sahara desert was a passage area, and not an obstacle ( just like mountains were not obstacles for Human expansion)
                      The Ancient Egyptians were a group of Berber people, very unique in the sense that the desert between Lybia and Egypt separated them for the other Berber people. A majority of Egyptians adopted Islam as a religion, but also the Arab language, Arab musical instruments, and so on, but ethnically speaking, the Arab genetical stock is little.
                      ONCE AGAIN, ANTHROPOLOGY CONSIDER THE ARABS AND BERBERS AS CAUCASIAN. You are so brainwashed that you do not even can get that there are other people than the Europeans that are to be considered as Caucasian.
                      This said, the inventions of the Egyptians / Irakis / Palestinians / Arabs (= agriculture, writings, cties, science…) does not belong to Europe, even if the Europeans are Caucasians

                    • darkman

                      Black people were there over 3000 B.C Ethiopia was covered of forest at the end of the 19th century. The Sahara was far smaller thant it was now (it’s still expanding) Check your fact sweetheart.
                      I’ve been in Tunisia and I’ve seen black people who were scare like black americans in Mississipi at the end of slavery. They were so happy that the African Development Bank relocaate there. I gave them hope that they can be rich and educate one day. Don’t discuss my experience, it doesn’t come from book.

                    • darkman

                      Read “It gave them…” instead of “I gave them…”

                    • http://hizzandherzorganics.com/ nelson

                      She has more of an identity than her husband. AND IT’S NOT LOVE. How can you truly be in love with someone that disrespects you that way. I FEEL BAD FOR SOPHIA!! Don’t get mad at me Sophia, BECAUSE I Don’t mean it in a negative way. Its just that I have a friend that was in a similar relationship. She wanted a man to take care of her so bad, that SHE ALLOWED HIM to isolate her from friends and family, that he didn’t deem on her level because of the life style he provided for her. They weren’t invited over & she had to sneak to spend anytime with them. IF HE SAW ANY OF HER FAMILY he never acknowledged them. His control in the end DESTROYED her relationship with friends/family and no one knew about the split for nearly a year. She didn’t know how to come to them. BUT TO THIS DAY, she has never gotten back close to many people. They don’t like the fact that her self worth & pride in her culture weren’t enough to say, ‘I MATTER’. But I STILL LOVE HER FOREVER & A DAY. 

              • http://hizzandherzorganics.com/ nelson

                MAYBE YOU should do A FULL STUDY OF THE SPLITTING OF AFRICA. And by the way, just because you don’t choose to accept it as true,, DOESN’T MAKE YOU RIGHT. If All You Ever Go BY is (HIS)story the way its always been taught than you BELIEVE IT!! The Arabs ENSLAVING AFRICANS way before EUROPEANS, FORCED Africans to build the SUEZ CANAL Thus resulting in the SEPARATION of Egypt from Africa. They WERE Black, BUT YOU BELIEVE WHAT EVER IS RIGHT FOR YOU.

                • Monitorette

                  Egypt is not separated from Africa, it belongs to North Africa.  For instance, Morrocco, Algeria, Tunisia, LIbya and Egypt play the African Nations Cup (soccer tournament)

                  Yes, very sadly, the Arabs were part of the Slave trades  –> that is why you can find Black Morrocans or Black Irakis.

                  Just to go back to the 1st inhabitants of North Africa ( who, again, were not Blacks):  well, if we follow your twisted logic, St Augustin , an Algerian theologian who lived in the late 4th century, and Massinissa, an Algerian King who was at war agains the Romans in the 3rd century BC, those 2 historical men should have been Black??

                  • darkman

                    You got no point,t Christianity is younger than Egypt. Saint Morris was black, it doesn’t prove anything

                    • http://hizzandherzorganics.com/ nelson

                      JUST LET IT GO!! MONITORETTE is gonna be right in his/her eyes REGARDLESS. WE KNOW CHRISTIANITY is far from the oldest religon, AND SEVERAL OTHER facts. NON BLACKS just aren’t ready to accept the FACTS!! So don’t try to enlighten them. It really scares them, so let them stay in their box!!

              • darkman

                Instead of insulting, you should get an education in History. You’ll learn that the entire continent was black and Egypt was the gate over 5000 years ago. Arabs arrived after the fall of Egypt. White people were slaves in Egypt. We no longer need to prove that the decline of Egypt started when they opened the royalty to white people.
                By the way, even the Tunisians admit that the famous Hannibal was black…

            • caribrose

              Wow do u guys even know the origin of the name “Africa”??
              You should really look it up.. its derived from a name that the Romans gave to the natives of Libya, who were a Berber tribe. The name Africa then spread to incorporate the landmass known today as Africa. It didn’t originally have anything to do with being “black” (which is a Western ideology anyway), seeing as many Berbers are white/ arab looking and they already inhabited their native land when the Europeans invaded. Africa is such a huge continent with a variety of climates so its natural that Africans would come in a variety of shades and ethnic features… 

              • http://hizzandherzorganics.com/ nelson

                I NEVER SAID AFRICA MEANS BLACK. Since you commented on MY POST I assume this was to me so let’s clarify…….. ALL THE THINGS IN MY POST WERE FACTUAL. So I don’t really get what PART OF IT you are responding to. ALSO Africa was NAMED AFTER THE MAN that is said to have ‘DISCOVERED’ it.. His last name was SOMETHING similar to the word Africa. BUT THE INHABITANTS AT THAT TIME were still those with dark skin.

                • Monitorette

                  Sigh….Nelson, take a break and go to your local library to study the history of North Africa. That will be a good start

                  • http://hizzandherzorganics.com/ nelson

                    SIGHHHHHHH YOUR OWN SELF!! Guess what, its called HISTORY FOR A REASON!! Therefor if you only restrict your research to the BOOKS YOU READ AT THE LIBRARY then you are the one lost, AND trying to enlighten you is a waste of time. HOW ABOUT THIS, I KNOW that everything I said is CORRECT!! If you want to Wikipedia yourself to death, THEN DO IT. BUT YOU ARE THE ONE that needs to take your ‘RESEARCH’ outside of the books, and TAKE A TRIP to Egypt. Ask questions & find out why the nose of statues were purposely destroyed, Why the ‘MOSES STORY’ was presented the way it was. WHY NOW & FOR EVERMORE THE LOCALS will be going out their way to WASH AWAY any African HISTORY in Egypt. If you want to believe that North Africa was not ORIGINALLY INHABITED by Black Africans, THAT’S your choice. I KNOW WHAT I KNOW!! I Don’t need anyone else’s version of HISTORY!!

                    • caribrose

                      Because your version of history is the only correct one?? Well u should just rewrite all the books then;) 

                      The point is, you weren’t there! None of us were there so there’s no way to know the absolute truth about history. 

                      HOWEVER, if you knew anything about biological anthropology, which is more important than history in studying the origins of humanity, you would understand why it would make sense for the original inhabitants of North Africa (berbers) to have Caucasoid features. Because of their environment (desert, Mediterranean), their phenotype evolved to resemble that of other Mediterranean peoples like that of southern Europeans more so than populations from African south of the Sahara. I’m not saying there were no “black” people there since there are black people almost everywhere and they could have traveled there and lived as a minority or mixed with the berbers.
                      But that was BEFORE the Arab invasion (berbers already lived there as an African civilization before the arabs).  

                    • http://hizzandherzorganics.com/ nelson

                      That being the case, WHY ARE YOU PUSHING ‘YOUR POINT’ so hard?? I’m done with this, so post a believe what ‘YOU CHOOSE’. I am going to believe what I KNOW IS THE TRUTH. We can agree to disagree. AND WITH YOUR ANTHROPOLOGY…………….OOOOHHH, The study of the word caucasian, DOESN’T ACTUALLY = WHITE SKIN, IT was originally used to describe non african people of color. ITS TRUE!! But again YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOU CHOOSE & SO WILL I. I DON’T CARE TO CHANGE YOUR THOUGHTS AT ALL!!

                    • caribrose

                      LOL ok keep believing what u wish but it seems like u have a very limited knowledge of Africa and race in general

      • Ginger Bizkit

        good to know

    • Love_Sexy

      I pretty much agree with your comment…I have had the opportunity to date a variety of men from different ethnicities (such as you listed) but nothing is better than a good BM.

      • guest

        Sheeeeeit!

        A man is a man! Black males are not made of gold!

        You mammies need to wake up…

  • R Wilson
  • Colliz6

    I don’t like the tone of this article at all; and worst it seems to be stemming from the comments made by some readers in response that comedy satire. The one portraying black men as helpless bumps being rescued by white women. I have just lost all respect for madamenoire. The timing of this article is way too close to that other one for it to be mere coincidence.  

    • Kay

      What article was that? I would like to read it so I can be part of the discussion…..  : /

  • Kelly

    I think that is the real reason why white men pick other races over black women. They are to ashamed to have black kids who look nothing like them, and cannot be classed a white. 

  • IllyPhilly

    That’s your issue sweetie. Moderator is blocking my real thoughts. I know and have dated white military men who married and had lots of brown babies with Black women.

  • Kelly

    It has got to be a major factor. 

  • IllyPhilly

    That’s the wh!te men you deal with sweetie. usually wh!te men who date
    Black women Know Black women. They know what they’re getting. Sorry ya
    dudes have you on some slave ish. Although you may say you’re white.
    Anybody can be everybody on the internet! Next!

  • IllyPhilly

    No not all Black women! The only thing I hate ’bout my skin is the stretch marks and guess what, i still get it when and how i want.

  • reese

    than why haven’t we.  You do know there are creams we could wear to get lighter and don’t.  Meanwhile they do tan.

  • http://hizzandherzorganics.com/ nelson

    SUCH SICK MIXED UP INDIVIDUAL!! I’m sad for you!

  • Ldixon17

    Ummm negative. I’m a black woman with a curvy body and I love it!

  • FromUR2UB

    You don’t speak for all black women.  In fact, I’d go further and say that you don’t even speak for MOST black women.  The black women I know, love themselves.   The men I know who love black women, love black women’s skin because it’s usually satiny and smooth.  They love the fullness of our lips and our shapely figures.  When we wear our own hair in a style that is complimentary to our particular features, they like that too. What do people with no lips get out of kissing, anyway?  Probably just rub burns. 

    Why don’t you just sum it up by saying that YOU hate black women and everything representative of blackness?  What I don’t understand is why people who feel as you do, spend your time hanging out at black sites.  If you’re so accepted by whites and other races, then you belong where they are.  But, if you’re black and all of what you’ve stated describes your feelings about yourself, then maybe your meanness comes from feeling ugly and accepted by no one.

  • Sugar_Spice

    Are you a black women who hates herself, a black male who hasn’t had the best experience dating black women, or another race who dislikes black women?  Whatever the case there is a lot of disdain in your posts & I just want to know where it’s coming from. This is a positive website geared to encourage black women.  If you can’t do that then please go somewhere else.

  • Leigh

    Actually black women are likely to have higher self-esteem than white women and are usually satisfied with their bodies.  

  • guest

    You don’t speak for me, b!tch…

    keep it moving…

  • Mok

    All you do is troll around and make negative comments about black women. Get a life! Why are you so concerned about black women? You are sad and dispicable. I guess that is how you occupy your time, by worrying about the people you claim to despise. SMH @ your ignorant arse. You can say no one wants black women, truth is no one wants you.

  • darkman

    Don’t mind him… KELLY=CARIBBEANINTHEHOUSE. Same rant, same hate for black americans, same desire to reply to everyone

  • Sugar_Spice

    Ah Ha! I forgot about Caribbean & I think you are absolutely right 

  • http://hizzandherzorganics.com/ nelson

    OH YEAH, I got you. I wish I had thought about that before I commented to the few posts I have. That’s all they want is some more ammo.