African-American vs. Caribbean Women: Jealousy or Frustration?

December 28, 2011  |  

As a woman who has both Southern and Caribbean roots, I’m often caught in tug of loyalty as friends or relatives from differing backgrounds lament about the other — especially women. Of course I’d love for us to all get along. As women of the Black Diaspora, we have a lot more in common that we think. Most important, if we want to thrive as a race — particularly since “others” don’t differentiate between our cultural backgrounds — we must learn how work together. Here are some tips on how to ease tensions between African-American and Caribbean women:

1. Stop dealing in generalizations. We must stop assuming we know every person’s back-story. For example, all African-Americans aren’t connected to welfare and all West Indians don’t have multiple jobs. Take the time to get to know a person.

2. Understand the role oppression has played in our worldview. I find Caribbean women quick to say Black American women are lazy, or lack ambition. But they omit a major component: People of color rule most Caribbean countries. (Though, white imperialists still rule the world.) Growing up with a Black prime minister or owner of an oil company reinforces the notion that hard work can lead to success. African-American women have a different experience. Many are grappling with classism and racism, a hope-killing combo.

3. End the jealousy. I’ve heard so many African-American women call Caribbean women uppity. In addition, I’ve been party to a few tirades from West Indian women about how “lucky” Black women here are. The bottom line is simple: Our cultural backgrounds do lend themselves to different perks. For example, many countries in the Caribbean don’t offer credit cards or student loans. So Black American women do have the ability to do things that Caribbean women don’t, such as, finance education. Still, hustling does evoke a sense of pride. That said some West Indian women who have worked their tails off to make through school or to start a business might carry themselves with a sense of accomplishment.

In sum, there’s only one reason African-American and Caribbean women don’t get along: ignorance. If we took the time to embrace each other we’d find that overall we have many cultural similarities. Most important, we have one major thing in common. We are all Black women.

As a Caribbean or African American woman, what stereotypes have other black women projected onto you?

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  • Anonymous

    Here’s another stereotype of “All caribbean people are black”, Puerto Rico have had a lot of white influence since the 20th century, hell, most of the people i know are white. Unless you count the one drop rule, which would make us all mixed, but then again, don’t humans come FROM Africa? I have no problems with my african roots, it’s this stereotype of the caribbeans being full of black people that speak english with Jamaican accent (and most of the island with black people don’t even have a jamaican accent). What about the bigger islands in the caribbeans? There are more caribbean english speaking countries, sure, but they’re small. Their population barely even matches Puerto Rico, you still have DR and Cuba, both having 10 millions of people each, so in reality, the caribbeans have more spanish speaking people than english. There are also french speaking countries as well too, and with Haiti, 10 millions of french speaking people live in the caribbeans too. The majority of the countries in the caribbeans speak english, but they’re FAR from being the majority of the Caribbeans.

  • Jannice

    These articles serve no purpose other than to point out the disdain between the races. Caribbeans have their own culture and often times they are generalizations/stereotypes concerning African American Women.

    What is this article based upon? The perspective of success aka the “American Dream” which is mostly financial or is it based upon how we treat our fellow man?

    For either or to be jealous of one another is futile because in the end, they are both stereotype in this anglo-western-influenced world.

    Carribean women need to cut out their post-country hate (If you dislike USA so much feel free to go back to your original countries at anytime instead of getting NA/EU jobs thank you)

    And what is it about black females? Is it based upon URBAN females, secular females? Regardless of skin color I see a pattern agmonst human beings. The inability to show more love than they do manipulation, hate, lies, and deception in the ‘get it now’ scheme.

    This world is full of it. Don’t fall for it eventually everyone hits the grave and once that happens do you wish to be remembered as a person of hate or do you wish to be remembered as someone who has greatly help society?

    I for one, will choose the latter!!!! The road to destruction is wide but the path to sovereignty is narrow.

  • Masterpieced

    None of the black immigrants from ANYWHERE could come here BUT for the fighting for rights that BLACK AMERICANS made to open the door for them and all other immigrants. So lazy you say? Not.

    • Natural Kinky Curly Marie

      Our ancestors fought (not today’s people) to open those doors. Caribbean people like Marcus Garvey who was an Activist also advocated for African Americans was a great influence and was a great motivation for Black Americans in that era also. Especially the Revolt & fight for independence that took place in Haiti being the 1st to gain independence from slavery encouraging and paving the way for Americans to do the same. Lets stop with the division.
      The commenter below (WestIndianBoy) says it best when he said: “The reality is that Afro-Caribbean & African-Americans are just a small part of most black people in Americas (Western Hemisphere) whose ancestors suffered the same fate and fought for what we have today.”

      The article is very foolish with no research at all and instigates ignorance.

  • Masterpieced

    “As a Caribbean or African American woman, what stereotypes have other black women projected onto you?”

    This last sentence from your article shows that YOU want to start friction rather than build relations.

  • this article is so foolish.

    • Staci Elle


    • Natural Kinky Curly Marie

      We’re so in agreement! It’s shameful that this is circulating the internet for all eyes to see, not just the group targeted by this foolish article.

  • Zu Byerly

    West Indians are a different from African Americans, because they’re from a sovereign nation of their own. AfricanAmericans are still living with their ex-slavemasters’ children. They’re still being terrorized by them, everyday.

  • Lies.

  • Duppie Grl

    Well, my mom African-American and my dad is Jamaican, so they don’t hate each other that much ūüėÄ

  • Mallory

    Oh this is all so stupid because we all share the same origins. Sometimes, It makes me proud to know that I grew up in the type of strict, Christian background that I did because my culture was my religious environment. Although, my family raised me to love my skin, things such as ethnicities and nationalities being pitted against one another was something I did not witness. I’ve never met an uppity woman from the Caribbean, but then again I’m not paying attention to what anyone else has or THINKS they have going on because I have my own things to be happy about.

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  • me2u

    Let me say that its not a matter of being haughty but as a Jamaican I am proud of my ethnicity. People ask me all the time if I am AA/black and I say “no, Im Jamaican” because thats who I am. I say “black” because here in America, black is associated with being AA, which I am not (no offense)…
    The article is lacking but the generalizations are also silly.

    • Masterpieced

      If you are Jamaican, then you are black.


    Caribbean countries don’t give credit card and student loans? HUH? I have 3 credit cards and i am current paying for my student loan. Before you write an article of this nature please do you research first. I appreciate your intention but you have misrepresenting some information in your article.

  • joe

    I have always read about these tensions but have never experienced it. Yes we have talked about cultural difference, may have poked fun of those differences but we are always curious of each other and it gives a feeling we are all not alone out there given the experience we have all been through.

  • WestIndianBoy

    The writer of this article should have done some research before writing such senselessness. I’m from the Caribbean & I have a credit card from my local bank and I also get a student loan too from my government to study overseas. They even allow me to study for free up to the completion of my first Bachelors in my country too.

    I guess the Caribbean only have black people and we never had to deal with racism or classism. Maybe slavery didn’t happen here too. I guess Gordon ‘Butch’ Stewart and Sir Charles ‘COW’ Williams aren’t major entrepreneurs in the region or that the Castros don’t rule Cuba & that Alexander Bustamante wasn’t a politician. Maybe Marcus Garvey, Toussaint Louverture or Jean-Jacques Desslalines didn’t fight for blacks or that Bob Marley didn’t bridge social and ethnic divides with his music.

    Maybe you should look at the roots of people such as Eric Holder, Deputy US Attorney General; Roger Enrico, former Chairman of the Board and CEO, Pepsico; Paula Madison, Vice-President and News Director at WNBC TV; Aida Alvarez, head of the Small Business Administration and Angela King, deputy UN secretary-general or even yours before writing a article with no research.

    The reality is that Afro-Caribbean & African-Americans are just a small part of most black people in Americas (Western Hemisphere) whose ancestors suffered the same fate and fought for what we have today.

  • umm i didn’t know we had an issue with each other, the only issue i have is the my new bfs ex gf was west indian and a rumored freak meaning i have to up my game

  • vanessa94

    African and carribbean not the same origin .
    The carribbeens are a Metis people (native American,asian,africa…)for those who are familiar with the history of the Caribbean, and their inhabitants.
    the afro-american come from Africa. They have in common the history of slavery.
    I do not understand this tension?

  • Chastidy

    Danm america has issues, I live in the Netherlands and I feel like I dont encounter all this prejudice.
    Well my husband is African and Im carribbean and  we just ignore the haters.

    Oh yeah, Caribbean women RULE!   hahahahhaha

  • Concerned Carib

    For all of this talk on how Carib blacks are so proud and hard-working.  They sure do have issues.  Skin bleaching  is rampant over there!  Marcus Garvey needs to come teach these jigaboos a lesson nowadays

  • Dawn

    The way I see it, Caribbeans and African immigrants in the US, Canada, Europe and its other colonized regions need to wake up to your own reality before judging other people in other regions. You HAVE what the tiny minority of black descendants of slaves in the US can only DREAM about–a SOVEREIGN country where YOUR OWN PEOPLE ARE IN CONTROL. Are you protecting that sovereignty, or are you running to where white folks live, wanting what they have, but lacking what it takes to create what you want where YOU live. That is very different from blacks in the US who are still in the struggle to pull up those still left behind. Judge not, lest you be called out for being parasites, profiteers, or wannabes in a land that is not your own.

  • AfroPower

    I’m done talking to American black women. Everytime IÔĽŅ approach them
    they give me a bad attitude. Even just a simple greeting, they look at
    me like I’m crazy or something. A lot of American black women have been
    influence by the feminazi movement and have become way too militant for
    me. This is why I talk to foreign black women from non western countries
    who tend to have more traditional, old fashioned values. The type of
    values that many American black women had back in the early and mid
    1900’s. In many ways, these old fashioned values have been lost with
    American black women. Much of this is due to the women’s liberation

    Black American women are makingÔĽŅ themselves
    unattractive through poor nutrition, internal toxicity, and degenerative
    disease. Nature will gradually remove these unwanted types of women.ÔĽŅ
    The Latin American/Caribbean Black Woman in general is by far more
    attractive to any natural man. It will take a few generations of
    rebirthing the black American female and wiserÔĽŅ living practices to get
    the American Black Woman caught up.

    Foreign black women are the
    best spouses than American black women who don’t know the values of
    lifestyles. American black women have the favorite words in their mouth
    ‚ÄĚI am independent and I don‚Äôt need nobody or a man‚ÄĚ But some of the
    American black women are not like that. It depends also where they were
    raised with culture because culture maintains a value of social life.
    Foreign black women can teach their husbands and children their country
    values because most of American black men plan to travel to the spouse
    homeland and it’s very impressive to discover your spouse country.

  • B.A.

    Caribbean black women have morals and treat their black men with respect. American black women treat their black men bad and that’s one of the reason 70% of AA women are single.

    • Best of Both Worlds

      Regardless if you are American or West Indies, “both are from the same origins”. I am proud to be a black woman from AA & WI parents.The preceding dialog clearly illustrates complications between the two “nationalities”. In addition, there are complications even within each national class. (e.g.
      light skin vs. dark tone, TNT vs Jamaican, etc.) ENOUGH!! Learn to live
      with differences and accept each other. Oh wait, each “classified
      group” must have someone else to speak against therefore, they can
      appear to be superior. My believe is to look at the character of the individual. “To Thy Own-self Be True”.

  • Latashamailbox

    I advise all of you deprived women of color to do a little scholarly research and read the social changes that shaped black america. This is not just a country issue, this is a worldwide issue. There’s hatred and deprivation found in every country but one thing I will condently state, in America, it is called race…not nationality…ethnicity, or any such and on that note, race is an exaggerated term to make society more functional, more individualistic, more divided, into race, black or white. So for all women of color, what race are you, well, in the land of freedom and liberty, your contents do not matter because your shell is black.



  • Phatcheeks22

    I don’t know where you live.. But being a Caribbean-American chick, I don’t face those issues. Everyone get along. Caribbean people having multiple jobs? Never heard that. I have heard the Jamaican stereotypes about the jobs (which is not true), but definitely not Caribbean ones. Big difference. Women are lazy in both places. People need to stop creating drama between cultures when there isn’t any.

  • LadyLark

    Very nicely expressed chica.

  • That Caribbean Lady

    I’m a Caribbean girl as in I was born in the Caribbean, I grew up there and I still live there now. I hear a lot of women in America who were born in the Caribbean or whose families came from there who say, “I’m not black, I’m Caribbean.” That doesn’t make any sense seeing as we, the Caribbean who they’re claiming to be, are black too (unless they’re Indian or Chinese or something). Also any Caribbean person will tell you that there’s a point where you’re no longer Caribbean, you’re American or whatever. Cut the crap. Although I’ll admit that Caribbean people are a bit too haughty.

    • Natural Kinky Curly Marie

      The 2 Cultures are very different. Just because people originated from Africa doesn’t mean their background is all the same. Looking alike doesn’t mean we’re all alike.

  • tony m

    at the end of the day Caribbean Blacks revolted against their white oppressors and ruled their own countries and the AA did’nt.

    • Caribbeans didn’t revolt on anything! The only Caribbean country that gained independce through war was Haiti…

  • Caribbean in the house

    go study your own puzzy history afro-american negro’s & ask yourself why are you negro’s still puzzy to the cu clux clan members.

  • caserelus

    I think an article about Black Hispanics¬†in general¬†would be interesting because I know¬†a dark skinned Dominican that would pass out on the floor if she were¬†ever called “Black” or “colored.”

    • BajanBalance

      Interesting indeed…..I was taught English history, local history, but hardly ever anything about the French West Indians, Dutch West Indians and NEVER about Black Hispanics.¬† Sad really.”Divide and Rule” perhaps????¬†

      • Masterpieced

        And this article is dividing us even further….

  • caserelus

    I¬†never even¬†knew about such tensions until¬†I went to college. I’m a freshmen now and it is impossible to not notice how the- what I’ll refer to as- “Black-American” girls would like nothing to do with me. Granted, I do hang out with mainly non-Blacks so they probably think I’m prejudiced (a Black male¬†friend of mine noticed the trend and brought it to my attention recently) but even at the Black Student Union meetings I feel like the elephant in the room. It’s only been one semester so I’ll just wait and see if these attitudes change with time.

    • e

      Yes, I hung out with blacks just fine until the tensions started surfacing in college or more just in the mid-20’s.
      Except I decided to have nothing to do with them because of their overall horrible attitudes and hatreds.

      White girl

    • Masterpieced

      YOU make the change. Introduce yourself. Go to lunch with the sisters… Just as you made friendly with the others, do it with your own folks.

  • Lsblunt04

    Really???? Was not aware of this issue until now

    • Black

      Caribbean in the House is a mad white woman!!!!

      • Caribbean in the house

        i’m 100% black male afro-american negro.

  • BajanBalance

    This article is very lightweight – it is a provocative headline that has been designed to do what it has done, that is, get everyone all hot under the collar.¬† A better slant would have been to discuss the cultural differences of the black women (sorry, not a fan of term African American) in the world, because it is clear that our history affects how we approach work, life, education etc. and this has been the origin of many of the stereotypes we hold about each other.¬† From reading the comments, issues of Americans, French West Indians, Dominicans, English speaking West Indians are vastly different (and I might add, very intriguing, some issues raised here that will make me research them some more) and it is not uplifting to lump them into two groups “Us” and “Them”.

    The final paragraph is absolutely correct.

    • Naipran

      Your posts read like they are from a very immature teenager, and they show signs of bigotry and hatred.

    • e

      I live in NYC… I always noticed this- that caribbean blacks *might hang with an african black, but never american blacks with caribbean blacks unless they were super-assimilated caribbean turned american black.

      I’ve heard the tensions in Flatbush, Brooklyn and Crown Heights are more Caribbean vs. American black than Black vs. White.

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  • DeCarl

    Who is the Moderator of this forum?

    • Guest

      Thank you Decarle! Some of the posts on this article are unbelievable crass and racist.

  • Caribbean in the house

    its true that these afro-american negro’s always complaining about the white man for their mistakes in life. white man this white man that. if a negro kill one another its the white man fault for making the gun which they pickup & use to kill each other off.
    ¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬† its the white man fault if an afro-american male gets his afro-american female pregnant & split & don’t want to be a father to his child. its the white man fault if the afro-american are too lazy to work & like to be on the welfare system. its the white man fault if they drop out of school & don’t want to get an education to have a good future.
    ¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†its the white man fault afro-american teens male are in jail & have criminal back ground & records while the teenage ho female have kids by different guys because the single parent don’t care. they also don’t support their community because they don’t want to build each other up & like to put each other down. here are some examples. they don’t support their system like the “united negro college fund because a mind is a terrible thing to waste lol, they don’t support their soul food restaurant because they are giving the chinese food store good business, the afro-american females are always at the chinese nail saloon & not their own afro-american nail saloon [saloon is a proper word not salon]. they don’t like to see their own kind make it in the hoods so they get jealous very easily to rob & kill you.
    ¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬† they support the white people movie theaters than their own kind of black movie theaters “magic johnson movie theater”. because in the black movie theaters thereare always fight & gun slinging all because an afro-american teenage¬†negro wants to art imitates life. they don’t want to put their money together & open up an AFRO-AMERICAN SUPERMARKET but wanna be in other cultures supermarket. to make a long story short even the richest afro-american woman [oprah winfrey] had to go to africa to open up a school for kids & businesses over their let alone to do business in the afro-american community. stop blamming the white man for your mistakes NEGRO’S of america. what would dr.martin luther king would say lol lol lol.

    • Natural Kinky Curly Marie

      You’re stereotyping an entire group based on statistics from the inner-city/impoverished Ghettos. The Ghetto does not represent the entire Black Race in America.


    Sandy, you are so ignorant and foolish.¬†¬†We do not have any immigration isssues holding us back when it comes to being educated. Blacks Americans are always complaining about how the White Man is holding them back, when they know very well that they are holding themselves back. Stop blaming others. We have universities in the Caribbean so therefore we have¬†doctors, lawyers, teachers… etc in the islands. And many of our educated people have come to the US to attend college on a SCHOOL VISA because of the the opportunities America have to offer.¬†Most of the citizens here do not take advantage of it, while students from different part of the world, like Africa and the Caribbean are coming¬†to the US¬†to learn because of the opportunities. Blacks Americans are always complaining about how the White Man is holding them back. Get a life and stop blaming others for your stupidity.

  • Christine

    interesting!!! whatever part of the world we go we’re all black women, and that wouldn’t change anytime soon. Not to mention, we experience the same racism whether we’re Caribbean or African-American. Let us begin to embrace the thing we have in common – our blackness. By the way,…’s regal!!¬†

  • Neither there are no comparisons to African American women we are quintessential. We do love and respect ALL people and cultures that is instilled in us from God while He was creating us, during birth and in life! It’s just natural!

  • Tishy_tish

    I disagree with the lack of opportunities to finance education for Caribbean women. In fact many of our governments heavily¬†subsidize education. I’m Trinidadian and the government pays everyone’s tuition at undergraduate level provided that one studies within the Caribbean and maintains a¬†minimum GPA. They also pay half of your tuition at the post-graduate level

  • guest

    Let me tell you i live in Los Angeles were their are a lot of Belizeans, Carribeans,Haitians and some of them due feel like Black people in the states are lazy and ignorant and and they feel that they are smarter because they come here and open businesses and shops and have their own activities I have had to remind some of them not all of them that It is because of what the Blacks in America went through in the last 400-500 years fighting for rights is the reason you can come over here and start a business once a little knowledge and understanding was shared amongst us we were able to see what and how we have come to this flawed understanding about each other. We have to talk and create dialect so we can correct the misinformation spread amongst our people that have been scattered

  • reese

    I never knew this problem because I just see everyone as indivisuals.  I think we need to do that more.

  • Jessica Williams

    i didn’t realize we were in competition.

  • Aj3

    Wow…..Well Many Americans (white, black, whatever…)¬†have stereotypes of West Indians… general: they are drug dealers…..fight all the time….lazy….druggies…..scam artists….and that is nice to name a few….¬†
    I have many friends that are from different regions or continents….and there idiots….in every culture/race/creed……
    ……I use to feel sorry for ignorant people….but not in anymore….¬† IF SOMEONE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH SOMEONE ….hello, you are in the United States…if you are not from the US…..GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY…..your “happy place”….¬† There is enough ignorance or stupidity here as it is….

    • e

      Really? I’m white, my family and friends are white, and we all prefer Caribbean blacks- harder working and more pleasant- generally that is…

      • Masterpieced

        The Caribbean Blacks do not know your history so you can fool them…. lol

    • Caribbean Queen

      You just made a very ignorant statement! You seem very hostile and have a dislike towards Caribbean people. We are hard working people and not rude and belligerent.

      • Masterpieced

        What he/she is saying is that if they think of any American as lazy, then THEY have a problem and should go back home. I get it.

  • ¬†Ahm what decade was this written in? I’m not aware of any ‘tension’ between Afro-American women and Caribbean women and I have plenty of friends from both groups… and what the deuce do you mean Caribbean women don’t have as much access to credit cards and student loans? If you had done some research before writing this you would know that is quite false. Most C’bbean islands have an abundance of student loan programmes and scholarships…heck we even have our own regional university (University of the West Indies). Your family/friends might have these issues but that doesn’t mean they extrapolate to the general black female population… hogwash!

    • island girl

      sisterrr….i totally agree¬†with¬†you….complete hogwash!!!… the¬†Bahamas¬†we have the college of the¬†Bahamas… and as sister jay said the university of the west¬†Indies…..and by the way…i studied in the¬†UK¬†for my law degree—by the way I have family members who are teachers, accountants and doctors in the U.S….stop being¬†ignorant¬†people!!!!…blacks across the world need to start loving each other…(its us against them)….I have nothing against white people..but this is the world’s¬†system….no matter how hard a black person works- something about his/her skin¬†colour comes up….yes the us has a black¬†president- but many said (white americans said the¬†are not¬†ready for a black president)!- go figure- y is that?….hmmmm u be the judge….so stop creating the hate from the inside—lets unite and help each other as much as we can….Be blessed in the JESUS CHRIST OUR SAVIOUR everyone!!!!….let love reign in our hearts….

  • Nina Mendoza

    How ignorantly racist!¬† The “us” against “them” mentality spewed in this article is nothing but racism.¬† The writer complains about the entire black race being stereotyped or judged as a whole based on their skin color and does the same thing in regard to other races!¬† Oh poor you!¬† Apparently, you have no idea what discrimination other races have gone through and are far too ignorant to care, wrapped up entirely in your own martyrdom.¬† Between this attitude and the attitudes of many of the commenters here, no wonder all races look down on you.

  • Gerri18

    As if black women from all over the globe don’t have enough challenges

  • darkman

    Replace caribbean by african, generalize to men¬†and women,¬†and everything said here still feel right. It’s just a shock of culture, a feeling of being mistreated by locals and vice-versa.¬†This is not a study, but it should be interesting to read about the relationship between african-americans (not naturalized) and other black communities here in USA (if someone has a link, please post it).

  • Bella

    Tension? I had no idea we were fighting? I better put my AA friends on notice! Reading the comments, i think this article just started the problem. What the h**l ladies? Where is your sense? None of you cared about this a few minutes ago. Ms. Beverly Forde, Congratulations on starting problems.

  • Prissy

    As a West Indian Black woman, I will say that SOMEtimes Yankee women are RUDE and ratchett. I am NOT a fan of how they do things… But that is just my opinion.

    • Angry Black Woman

      I live in NYC and wasnt really exposed to west indians like that until I moved here for my career and there aint but 5 black americans all I see is big weave with various unnatural highlights with too small clothing dutty windin with far more jewelry than the jewelry store and trust me I am NOT a fan of those things either there are some west indian women that are nothing like that its a shame I am not exposed them to get a better view bottom line we all have ratched women in our ethnic groups one ratched is not better than the other people who came to country where black american woman have been the back bone of the said country since at least 1492 when Columbus came dont really have a leg to stand on cause you chose to come here we didnt. 

  • Hdhfh

    This should apply to all races. When we say terms like “others” to describe other races, it’s offensive and hurtful. Remember, we’re all still apart of the same species; the color of my skin shouldn’t be the thing that separates me from others. And I was never aware of this “battle.”

  • frustration maybe from the lack of knowledge. the more you know the less insecure you feel about yourself and the jealousy will disappear. i read some of the comments. some were def ignorant but in general we are black women. i think there’s more important issues that we need to work on together to succeeded instead of tearing each other apart.

  • Yardytoll123

    In TrinidadTobago education is free straight up to tertiary level (first degree). If you graduate with a first class honours with your first degree you can study (for your Masters) any where in the world at no charge to you. Outside of that,¬† Postgraduate study is subsidised where you only pay 50% of the tuition and the government covers the other 50%. So I agree with the author, some black Caribbean women do not understand the ‘complex’ many black American women are in grained with.

  • Ms_Sunshine9898

    when i lived in DC, the women of the Caribbean were proud women because they knew were there people came from. Same could be said for the Ethiopians and Africans. While they didn’t look down on us, but that sense of pride and the fact that they did distinguish themselves from us didn’t help either. i saw several women get upset over simple stuff like who had better hair as well as it was assumed that Caribbean women had better hair and hair stylist. . .¬†

  • guest

    As someone who has a father from the Caribbean and a mother from the South, I’ve seen both sides of the coin. Although we are Black and clearly descended from Africa, geography plays a major part in the divisions that exist. Those born in the Caribbean can say that they are the ethnicity of the island that they come from. This has allowed them to create a stronger cultural identity that allows them to not have swear allegiance to Blacks born in America. ¬†The misperception is that Blacks born in America don’t take advantage of opportunities, are not financially savvy, and are lazy. I’ve heard it while studying abroad in France from a Haitian girl whose family emigrated to the States. A good friend of the family admitted that when whites in Florida discovered that she was Trinidadian and not Black American, they expressed relief. She was very pleased with their reaction.¬†
    Here’s the thing. If either side had to endure the oppression that our ancestors went through, then we wouldn’t have all these divisions. People need to realize that it doesn’t matter what island or country you’re from in the Caribbean because when it’s all said and done, you’re still Black.

    • e

      African and Caribbean blacks DO do better than American blacks. It’s a documented fact they earn more, and do better on SAT/IQ exams. It’s not just “perception” or “stereotypes”.

      And yes, many are less hostile to whites which is why we’re more open to dealing with them.

      White girl.

  • A few things just don’t sit well with me where this article is concerned. I laugh at the statement that West Indian women are looked down upon because they hold multiple jobs.Who’s going to look down on that when damn near everyone is unemployed or¬†getting¬†laid off these days?

    I scoff at the notion that one can actually believe that “African American women are all lazy and on welfare”. These generalizations do nothing but create misconceptions and until one can step outside the box and judge each person they encounter on their own individual merits, then I’d say we will keep having “tension” between these two groups. Me on the other hand, I don’t care where you come from or what you look like so long as you have decent morals and values.

  • Misteeqbabes

    Its not just african american vs caribbean but african american vs women of african origin period. i speak from experience. Quite frankly i think we  as black women need to educate ourselves. I am of african origin and i did my undergrad in the US. I had the misfortune of becoming roommates with an uneducated african american female mind. Right from day one when she heard i was from an african country, there was tension. we had an altercation where names were called and i was called someone who comes from the jungle and from people who smell. lets say i did not stay another. Speaking with another african american friend, she stated that i could not blame them and they were deprived of black history in high school, blah blah blah. Please!!!Quite frankly unless more female african americans educate their minds and i dont just mean just going to college, but doing other things like travelling the world then there would continue to be this vicious cycle of misunderstanding.Free your mind.

    • e

      Black American women have horrible attitudes and eyerolls period.

      White girl who no longer hangs out with them.

      • Caribbean Queen

        I am of Caribbean heritage and I encounter the same treatment from African American women. I get along with other races better than African American women. I don’t like their attitudes and negativity.

        • Masterpieced

          Those negative black women are the ones who sacrificed and marched for you to be here in the USA….

  • Wedothesame

    The bottom line is ‘WE ARE ALL BLACK” and come from the same place. I’m African, and a lot of Africans often say and think the same way Caribbean’s feel about African Americans.¬† But what we all fill to realize is – if it wasn’t for African Americans struggle, fight for human rights, and freedom – none of would be in this country called American. I will admit the hate is on both sides ‚Äď I will admit ‚ÄúI‚Äôve said many times ‚Äėblack American r lazy‚Äô bec of what we see in our communities ‚Äď how the media portrays my black ppl ‚Äď to trun us against each other. At the same time blacks have been thru a lot and we who are coming in will never understand their struggles ‚Äď we encounter it bec at the end of the day we are all BLACK 1St.¬† And sometime we do acted like we r better than them.¬† All in all it‚Äôs wrong.

  • Same tree, different branches…the confusion comes when we don’t understand who WE are…

  • Donna

    I keep LOLing at everyone who has said “I’m half (this) and half (that)”; funny how we’re able to put our differences aside for SEX but not much else.

  • Atlantis

    I won’t sit here and pretend I was unaware of these perceptions; to do so would suggest I’ve been living under a rock. I have not been directly subjected to them, though, and I suppose that has a lot to do with discerning good people from ignoramuses. I’ve dated a Jamaican man, a man from Trini, and a 2nd generation Puerto Rican man respectively, and their families were loving and cordial to me. I will be marrying the man from Trini this summer and I am absolutely elated. ūüôā

    • Guess

      I have to say I am unaware of these perceptions. 

  • Zc7463

    In reality people want to talk about the American Blacks, but the truth be told, if it wasn’t for the American Blacks.¬† The foreign Blacks in¬†America today¬†wouldn’t have the rights in the USA that they have today.¬† So we all¬† need to band together, and let go of all this hate amongst ourselves.

    • Maybe I do

      Exactly. Did they want to come here so badly during Reconstruction or Jim Crow? Doubt it. Good thing all those “lazy blacks” made it possible.

  • straightandnarrow04

    everyone has problems with everyone else…doesn’t matter who or what you are…nothing will ever get solved until people TRULY learn to LOVE….This whole world of mankind is headed to its grave….it’s sad when the only people on earth cant even get along because people foolishly assume that one is better than the other when we are ALL in the same BOAT that’s quickly sinking!!!…GET OVER YOURSELVES!!! (so selfish)

  • Zc7463

    My mother is from Panama and father from the South, USA. Neither side of family saw eye to eye.¬† The¬† reason why, is because they failed to educate self about each other’s culture. For the lack of knowledge we shall all perish.

    • Donna

      Yet somehow your parents saw eye-to-eye enough to sleep together. I guess this is where we all lay our differences aside eh?

      • Zc7463

        Yes, lol, good point.

      • Masterpieced

        true. lol

  • B.

    I give no weight to an article that advises readers to stop dealing in generalizations while further perpetuating harmful, untrue, and hurtful generalizations.

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  • mom2b

    I wrote a 350+ page research based dissertation related to this topic.¬† This issue is way more complex than what was summed up in 4 short paragraphs.¬† However, let’s not pretend that there isn’t intraracial contention among many blacks.¬† The bottom line is that Blacks everywhere in the world have misconceptions about each other and lack knowledge of both the distinctions and similarities inherent in our histories.¬† We need to take time to learn about and understand each other’s experiences and how those experiences shape our world views and we shouldn’t expect to learn about one another in mainstream schools that teach us to hate ourselves and anyone who looks like us.¬† It’s our responsibility as a community to learn from and with each other and to support each other because at the end of the day, our divisiveness only hurts all of us and continues to build up those who’ve been dividing and conquering us for centuries.

    • fulany

      Well said!!

  • TJ89

    Can’t say that I care. I conduct myself on a person by person basis, and carry myself well. If you dislike something you THINK may be true about me or my race, and don’t change your opinion after actually DEALING with me or my race enough to see it isn’t always true, you’re an idiot. I don’t take too well to idiots.

  • Shana W.

    I know as silly as it sounds I haven’t got that treatment here in California, mayne because I’m half African-american and Nicaraguan and grew up around black people. But dating African men and being around African woman now I have encounterd jealousy of what you talked about above. This actually broke my heart. I was ready to embrace and learn about those From the motherland and instead looked down on. I think that can be my next story to write. Not as a black latina but experience of dealing with African sisters.

    • fulany

      So sorry that was your experience. I grew up in California and I am from West Africa, and at least within my family, we didn’t have issues with other blacks. Rather as a child and teen, I was looked down upon, b/c I was from Africa and because I wasn’t racially mixed. If you don write your piece, I hope that you don’t generalize!!

  • koffee514

    I have never experienced or heard about this “rivalry”. I don’t see any relevance to this article. You should really run your content by a few folks before your post it. It just seems narrow.

  • Zc7463

    I love all black women, from any region.  We may not understand each other culture, but their one thing that will never seperate us:  Our Blackness!!

  • Zc7463

    It is so sad to read this article, because we as blacks, no matter what part of world you come from, we are all seen as the same.  But this is typical, Blacks as a whole will never grasp the word Unity. This is  the  main factor why we as a people remain at the bottom of the totem pole.

    • straightandnarrow04

      just because someone is black doesn’t mean they represent who you are…I surround myself with the kind of people that I am ( God-fearing, honest, loving and caring) doesn’t matter what color as long as they have the qualities that I look for in people…stop looking at¬†us as a “PEOPLE”, or “ONE” and start looking at yourself as an individual that¬†isn’t responsible for the thoughts and actions of the vast majority of ignorant people out here…¬†

      • Zc7463

        Together we stand, divided we fall.  There is no way around that!!


          honey, if you stand together with those who are ignorant, then you WILL fall right along with them!!!…

      • reese

        the majority of ignorant people are not black.  But I agree with what else you said.

    • reese

      Yes and no.¬† We do seem to divide each other and discriminate based on stupid things.¬† I think we worry alot about bs.¬† But discriminating on people being from different parts or regions of the world isn’t new.¬† Irish don’t like British, Iranions don’t like people of Iraq, Chinese don’t like Japanese and on and on.

  • Msandrea06

    I am an African-American woman who lived with a Jamaican family during graduate school in Fort Lauderdale. During my time in South Florida, which has a very high population of Caribbean immigrants, I heard a number of stereotypes about African-American people: pretty much everything that this article mentions i.e. that we are lazy, dont take advantage of the opportunities, African-American men desert their children etc… I literally almost got into a fight over this in a hair salon where I found I was the only Black American person there. The topics this article discuss are definitely real.

    I was also told that I was pursuing the wrong career path, and that instead I should opt for nursing (which would supposedly guarantee my success). I also felt that the family looked down on me because I did not come from an advantaged background, and that technically their family had more money than mine and had acheived higher success as immigrants. I dont know if its just where I was living but I definitely think there is a rift between African-American and Caribbean women. There are also rifts between different groups (i.e. Haitians and Jamaicans).

    Right now all of this seems so trivial to me, almost funny, because right now I am living in South America and the majority of the people don¬īt even know that Black people live in the United States! Ha!

    • Sandy

      Lol. Yep that definitely sound like caribbeans. They become nurses and think they are on top of the world. Most of them didn’t even go to grade school in their own countries. On top of that they worship white people. They see white americans as above African Americans. I have heard a caribbean woman brag about being married to a white soldier. They have the nerve to say they would never be with an African American man! Haa!!

      • This is quite a generalization. I am a Caribbean born woman and I quite disagree with your statement. How do you know that most Caribbean women become nurses and don’t go to grade can’t become a nurse without an education that’s for sure. And as nursing is a career with shortages and practically guaranteed employment in addition to being of service and helping’s a good field to go into.

  • Sandy

    Well I think Caribbean women are jealous of African Americans. African American women are much better looking and are generally much more successful than Caribbean women because AA have less immigration issues to hold them back and have way more opportunities. Caribbean ppl on a whole are dirty. I have always said I would never marry a caribbean man. Never!!

    • You wrong for calling human beings dirty. That’s ignorant and stupid!

      • Sandy

        You ppl don’t even have running water in your country and you coming here acting like you all that because you are a CNA or LPN or even RN, while your men do security jobs at department stores. You caribbean ppl obviously don’t aspire to much.

        • Please! Speak of what you know, that’s not the only jobs they have. And there is running water in the country (I don’t know where you got your info), but most carribean islands are full of tourists sites! So you saying the don’t offer water to their tourists? Stop being so¬†judgmental¬†and ignorant, and get your facts straight before you come on here downing people. I can represent for both sides so I know both sides of the fence. There are plenty of American people that aspire to do nothing…and what about the tons of people trying to be rappers or video vixens? #UGH

        • Sandy1

          Your comment signals the reason why many people outside the USA think Americans are stupid. Educate yourself please.

        • PISCES

          Americans have running water and don’t take baths. We have running water, river and oceans!

    • mom2b

      Sandy, your post is laughable! You have some serious issues if you believe any of what you just wrote.

      • Sandy

        What I wrote is reality. You ppl are filth.

        • PISCES

          Are u lonely ?  LOL

        • Richie26

          Don’t be surprised if you are of Caribbean descent and you should really analyze your reasons for calling caribbean people dirty.You may as well consider these people filth as well:
          Malcolm XAudre LordeColin PowellSusan E. RiceMarcus Garvey Stokely Carmichael Shirley ChisholmW.E.B Du BoisEDUCATE YOURSELF!!!

    • PISCES


    • reese

      That is an ignorant statement.  Alot of caribean women you cannot tell apart from aa or straigtht africans besides the way we might dress.  I know alot of them who are not dirty and you are talking in stereotypes.

  • Strictly1913

    I never knew this dynamic existed.

  • AnnaRenee

    Y’all tryna start some mess at the end of the year!¬† We aint tryna go out like this, Madame!¬† But I must say that when ignorant people speak in generalizations, you see some of this trifling stuff.¬† But when friends are friends, nationality has nothing to say about it.¬† In fact, we can all say we are black and my African American part is just¬†a small but beautiful part of the GREAT big Mosaic that is the Global Village of Black Women!¬† I love all my beautiful black parts, because together, we look pretty damn good!¬†
    *Waving and blowing kisses to my global sisterhood*

  • Sarahbrown

    Caribbean women and African American are¬† different, ignorance is not the reason they dislike each other. Know the two cultures Beverly Forde and then you can see why their both so different. This article is sweet but doesn’t explain anything.

    • It doesn’t explain anything besides the ¬†fact that blacks don’t like blacks!

  • Star

    This article is odd, and based on the majority of the above comments, most would agree.¬† Perhaps the author conflated their personal experience with a worldwide phenomenon…

  • Liddle

    I didn’t realise that there was a problem between African American women and Caribbean women. As a Caribbean woman I am confused :-s

  • sofie212

    Beautiful article. Despite our differences, at the end of the day, we’re all black women. And¬†that’s¬†how people of other races view ¬†us. Before we open our mouths and specify where it is we’re from and how much better we are than the other…. they see dark skin, textured hair and a half the time -big ol butt!! LOL!!¬†

    • lesmiz

      Just because “they” don’t care about and can’t notice national origin, doesn’t mean it’s not an issue within the community. After all, colorism is a big thing for us even though “they” supposedly don’t pay color any mind. (I think “they” do notice and discriminate on the basis of color – I mean, look at who’s in print ads and in shows and movies – but it matters a TON less to them.)

  • Blackebony

    I am a French African woman (meaning I was born in France and my parents are senegalese). Here in France there is the same issue between African women and Caribbean women I will go further by saying between African people and Caribbean people: they don’t get along either.

    Caribbeans¬†say that Africans are wild, dumb, ignorant and deny their African backgrounds so as consequence Africans called Carribeans sold out Bounty (I think in US you say “Oreo” that is to say black outside but white inside).¬†

    Maybe Caribbeans have an inferiority complex towards African and Afro- American people? I don’t know I’m just wondering…

    • Nia

      and this is why you (not all africans, just you, who happens to be african) were considered ignorant.

      • Djka

        Why would she be considerated as ignorant? She’s just asking a question and giving her point of view on the question.
        The french Caribbeans and english Caribbeans are not the same, the french caribbean are still ruled by the descendent of the slaves owners, they are still teached at school that their ancestors were the white Conquerant (wtf?!) All the goverment are still ruled by the french goverment, which means white people, and when they are not enough of white people in the island to work in the office, they bring more white people from france, so no black caribbean can work in their goverment.
        Not only that, but they are still being brainwash abt the color, the lighter you are, the better you can have a position in their office.
        With all that of course when they see an African who comes to studie and get a very heugh paid job, disregarde the blackness of their skin, they are jealous…
        Now before calling someone Ignorant, get your info right
        Black girl from Paris

        • Vmglamoursb81

          I agree same here in the Netherlands and in the Dutch Caribbean. 
          Black girl from Amsterdam.

        • blackebony

          Thanks Djka ūüėČ

      • blackebony

        You are ignorant and obviously you’re also illiterate as it seems you don’t get ¬†my point and some people like Djka get it.

      • Caribbean in the house

        NO! its afro-american negros who is like that.

        • guest


          • Angry Black Woman

            See this is the ignorance this article is talking about if you hate us that much get the hell out of the country we built from the ground up 

            • Caribbean in the house

              the only thing you afro-american negro did in america is picked cotton & thats it. its the white who did all the building & how come i don’t ever see an afro-american construction company & i always see a negro working on the white man construction company. picking cotton don’t make you a all american also because i ask the white boys & they all laughed.

              • Sonrisa

                I can not believe the two of you. It is this kind of division and misinformation that prevents black people from elevating their status around the world. 1) Without the free labour of black American slaves, the U.S. would not have had the wealth that it enjoys today. So “Caribbean in the House” needs to revise the statement that he or she made. 2) West Indians have also contributed a lot to the America so “Angry Black Woman” is wrong to imply otherwise. From Malcolm X (whose mother was West Indian) to scholars like C.L.R. James who worked for the advancement of black people worldwide. ¬†3) To the author of this article: Not all women of the Caribbean are black. We have also have Indians, Chinese, Arawak and multiracial women, etc. All in all, this article speaks some truth but it could have been better researched.¬†

              • Almasi

                Uh apparently you don’t know American history because the railroad system and several buildings were built on the backs of slaves who were used as miners. Many African Americans paved the way for Caribbea and African ppl to have the opportunity to come to US and enjoy certain things that were closed to them such as an education. And the crazy thing is they weren’t so wrapped up on titles. Oh by the way I’m Caribbean you uneducated sukoyant.

                • Kiddy

                  umm excuse me education is not “closed” to Caribbean people we have pre-schools right up to universities the only reason most people from my country migrate to america then RETURN to our country after studies is because its cheaper to go to university in America… so i really dont know which Caribbean island you came from but speak for your country alone thank you .

              • mjackson

                You obviously do not know very much about American history, and need to broaden your circles. African Americans are responsible for many inventions that revolutionized not only this country, but the entire world. I’m sure if you took a trip to your local Chamber of Commerce you will find many black-owned businesses.


                African-American Business Owner

              • Masterpieced

                Cotton was KING. It made America rich.

    • Prssykitty

      It’s definitely not¬† an inferiority complex. If anyone knows a true Caribbean woman the first thing you’d know is we (many of us for the most part) are proud and self-assured. As a Jamaican woman who spent my high school years in NYC my family did not want me hanging out with American Blacks as they were out of control. That was true looking back as most of them had kids by graduation and failed to move on to college.

      I’ll say I seek out friends with other immigrant backgrounds as myself as I believe they have the same drive and ambition. It doesn’t matter if they’re African, Dominican or Asian decent. However, I’ve yet to meet more than a handful of American Blacks who are at my level in Grad school with a professional career.

      • JN31

        It’s really sad that people feel that way. If I was to base my opinions on Jamaicans based on things I see neighborhood wise, then I’d think all of you were Nanny’s as in my neighborhood. Sounds ignorant doesn’t it? So does the assumptions that certain children were out of control (and besides, all kids when not around family members are out of control; I’m sure you engaged in suggestive activities as well). Anyone who wants to generalize a population based solely on where our ancestors were dropped of when thy were stolen from the motherland may have internal issues that should be addressed.

        Some people want to hold on and display specific values they feel are related to their culture out of some form of fear of rejection or inferiority. I don’t feel it’s necessary to put my family roots on display and say “Well back home, people feel Black Americans…blah blah blah” since well, I’m here in America. We all are considered black before anything else. No one is looking at your college background before they see your color; maybe after, but not before. And just because someone isn’t on your “level” scholastically means nothing in this day and age. Many successful/smart people of today’s society think outside of the box and aren’t pigeonholed into what final exam they were or were not able to pass.

        We should all just realize at the end of the day we are all fighting for the same rights. I rarely see Black men try to rationalize who has it worse; a Jamaican, a Black American¬† or a Black Dominican since when they get pulled over by a cop, all that cop sees is BLACK. It’s a silly comparison at this point.

        • Caribbean in the house

          thats a lie, cops only pull over afro-american negros & caribbean/westindies & afro-american made up name negro’s are not the same. remember the majority of them were raped so they are european/negros.

        • Uh huh…..

          Thank You JN 31.  You made a lot of sense. 

        • Guest

          I could shake your hand JN31, you are right on point.  Speaking as a Jamaican who grew up in Jamaica, Canada and the Bahamas I love all people and I especially appreciate all women of colour. My only problem is, I fail to understand why we should have jealousy or frustration towards each other.  We are all women and we are all Black and as the song states, no matter where you come from your are Africans or African Decent period.

        • Chelsea J.

          I totally agree! I had an extra coupon once while I was shopping at Bath and Body Works. I gave it to a West Indian lady, and she was shocked and said she thought all American born blacks, were stupid and selfish. Smh!

        • DallieO

          It’s ironic no one asks what part of “Africa” we are from. For the most part we are generalized but never question as to what part or what makes us, besides appearance, African.

          The new generation needs to come up to the plate and stop embracing the fall-outs and lies of the old. Course, some of the old generation has already passed its fumes onto the next. However its not as bad as it is with the Baby-Boomer and Silent Generation, who have kindly helped themselves to your sons and daughters.

      • Ohpuhleeeze

        The reason you haven’t seen AA people with your level of education, perhaps it’s because you don’t socialize with them, you stated as much in your post. However we do exist. Seems with all that education, you came off as a bit uneducated

        • Shabota

          Exactly. If “ol girl” was as educated as she claims, she’d know that out of ALL people of color, Black American women earn the highest number of degrees, advanced or otherwise.

          • Caribbean in the house

            no they don’t, they earn the highest of HIV/AIDS & too much babies by different man.

            • Almasi

              So, you acting like you don’t know that the Caribbean ranks # 3 per capita in HIV?AIDS. Oh, don’t deny the fact that Caribbean women suffer from the same plight as American women. Bedcause many of them have numerous children, incest is a big problem for us, and we know Caribbean mean l multiple women. And yes I am caribbean, so get your head out the clouds.

            • Almasi

              So, you acting like you don’t know that the Caribbean ranks # 3 per capita in HIV?AIDS. Oh, don’t deny the fact that Caribbean women suffer from the same plight as American women. Bedcause many of them have numerous children, incest is a big problem for us, and we know Caribbean mean l multiple women. And yes I am caribbean, so get your head out the clouds.

        • darkman

          It’s not about socialization, it’s about finding people. The majority of black americans are blue collar, so they represent the group. If you can’t find or work with educated BW or BM, you assume they are very rare, or do not exist. But when africans or¬† caribbeans deal with educated black americans, they know we exist.¬†The culture of education is¬†strong with all immigrants in all countries while the “locals” tend to¬†take advantage of the system set for them.

          • Masterpieced

            The majority of AMERICANS are blue collared.

      • Annie

        Wow!! where do you live?……African American’s don’t have degrees? Can I say the President of the United States and his African American wife to name. You need to expand your horizon’s. BTW I have friends from the¬†Caribbean¬†and some have degrees and some don’t… you want to¬†pursue¬†a higher education has more to do with personal goals and nothing to do with where you come from.¬†

        I also think that there is some tension between the groups notable Caribbean people believe that African American’s are not good parents….that is so silly. I see lots of judgement from¬†Caribbean¬†women about African American’s……I guess if we lived in their county we would probably have lots to judge as well.¬†

      • Caribbean in the house

        don’t hang around a afro-american negro because you’re going to end up like them, STEREO TYPE. please don’t watch B.E.T.V.

      • Bebe

        The people¬†who did not know that this chasm exists probably do not live in NY.¬† Growing up in Georgia, this was not an issue,¬†but I came to see more of it when I came to NY for law school.¬† Most people like PRSSYKITTY who say “American Blacks”¬† (placed in quotation marks, because if you were born in the US and have US citizenship, and you¬† are black, then you are a black American) aren’t on their level, aren’t on my level. I have nothing against Caribbean women generally,¬†but I always¬†find it funny when ignorant people like you and your parents say American Blacks are “wild” when I see 10 year-old Caribbean¬†children daggering and gyrating in front of their parents as if they were having sex.¬† Just sayin’.
        If the black American people you know aren’t doing anything with their lives, it says more about you than black American people as a whole, because the¬†black Americans I went to school with are lawyers, doctors, Ivy League (or equivalent)¬†graduates.¬†Just remember who made it possible for you to access the education you seem to think makes you so much better than others.

        That being said, I think this article did more harm than good and only served to reinforce stereotypes, without providing a thorough analysis of the issues.

    • lesmiz

      I don’t think it’s a woman on woman thing – that’s where the article is dead wrong in my experience. I think being a woman¬†transcends¬†a lot. If you’re a mean girl, you’ll find a way to be a mean girl, and maybe you’ll use nationality in that. But I don’t do mean girls, so that’s not been my experience with my girlfriends.

      I don’t know about Europe, but in the US West Indians don’t feel inferior to AA’s or Africans.

      My family is from the¬†Caribbean¬†and there are certain stereotypes we have about AA’s, but they’re a lot more applicable to men than women actually. Basically that AA men are not hardworking or responsible and don’t take advantage of all the opportunities there are in the US. My parents were not thrilled when my sister married an AA guy after having two nice Caribbean boyfriends, but that was because he had kids and particular things about his personality, not because he was AA as such. I think the issue is in generalities rather than in treating individuals badly in spite of what they’ve actually done.

      Some AA’s get a bit miffed when Africans or West Indians identify with their nationality – they say that black is black, and they sometimes read identifying with one’s national origin as¬†uppityness. Black IS black, but that doesn’t mean that everyone should get with the black American culture, anymore than “white is white” means that people from Europe or white Americans with distinct cultural roots (like Irish- or Italian-Americans, for example) must talk and act and identify exclusively with white American culture. There’s a lot of culture within the African¬†diaspora¬†and that’s something we should celebrate rather than deny, in my opinion.


      You got it right: if you see black people in french university, you’ll find out they are most african or from african descent.
      french Caribbean work only for public services (post office, hospital0 or are entertainers (music, dance, sport)
      However, they did fight for their independency, latest was in the 70’s where a lot of them were jailed (and some killed) or in the 80’s (New Caledonia) were the french government killed quietly their leaders. After what the french government did to Haiti for the last 200 years, you understand why¬†they prefer to keep dancing…

      • darkman

        I know New Caledonia is not one of the Caribbean islands but it’s to demonstrate the violence of the french government.

      • An

        “french Caribbean work only for public services”: What was true in 1970 isn’t the case anymore..Anyway what France did to Haiti was awful! The debt, Toussaint, baby doc who lives freely in Saint-Tropez but please don’t mix up everything… It’s more complicated than that…

    • Anais Csm

      Ebony and DJK ? wtf? I’m Martinican and you don’t know anything about French West Indians? What you are saying is BS!¬† We are not brainwashed, we are what we called Domien, we are just part of France and Europe what can be an opportunity from us. I don’t know what it’s wrong with that? And our deputies are Martinican. The one you are talking about are called beke and they have the power because thay have the money and if we were independant it would have been the same thing. So stop saying bs when you don’t know what’s really going on. And btw I could have aked you are judging French West Indian but you live and work in the country of the master so what you are saying doesn’t make any sense….Like us, you are just looking for the best opportunity. And we are not jealous of you. I think Martinican ppl don’t like you ust because you are judging us about our choice of not being independant …

      • Darkman

        you didn’t chose to stay dependent, ask Luc Reinette and others ….freedom fighters

        • Ana

          1)  Freedom fighters???!! I feel free thank you!
          2)¬† Some ppl are for the independence and some others are against it.It’s democracy. Mayotte chose to become a DOM¬† and in 2014 the New Caledonian will decide if they want to become independent or not.
          3) But yeah I agree  about one point: some stuffs need to change

          • darkman

            My guadeloupean friends think that having all high level civil servants imported from France (white) with “prime de soleil” (“Sun heat compensation”) is a proof of alienation by the french government, close to segregation.
            New Caledonian were supposed to vote for their freedom since 2008, after a ban of 20 years…
            About Mayotte, they’re looking for welfare (who won’t, if you can get everything free, in exchange of your… freedom?)
            You are right, some stuffs need to change… in the head of our people.

            • An

              You ppl judge others for their choices while thinking ethnocentrically.
              I have a MS and I don’t need any money for a welfare system and I didn’t sell my freedom for any money! So stop thinking that all of us are assisted! There are some ppl like that, but like everywhere you have some lazy ppl. In my opinion, one day the French Caribbean will become independent but not now. We are not ready. We can stay department while the transition, a transition where we will change our economic system but right now I don’t need any megalomaniac helped by the French government to take the power after independence and push my country down…tchipp! Should I remind you of what happened in Haiti with papa doc or in Ivory Coast? But one thing is sure we have taken too much time to start the transition. Btw don’t take it personnaly but I like when ppl judge us of alienated but they live, work and got visa or citizenship in France…just saying!

    • Caribbean in the house

      yes , you are right. i don’t like afro-american stereo type negros who’s still puzzy to the white man. you are telling the truth french african woman. i also love real africans from africa & not afro-american made up name negros.

    • Choka-pike

      I’m a French Caribbean and I will answer your question ūüôā Carribbeans have no inferiority complex towards other women hahaha! The problem is that in France, we are used to be “classified” by the color of our skin. When I arrived in France, a white guy who worked to collect money for an international helping association were talking to me when suddently his colleage, who came out of nowhere started to sing a African song and ask me if I knew it. So, for him, Black = African. I’m not and I will never say I am an African because this is not where I was born, that’s simple, we don’t have the same culture, we don’t have the same mother tongue. I mean, we always complained about what the other black women are thinking about ourselves but we didn’t notice that the jaleousy or anger (or call it whatever you want) is growing because of these kind of person that still think like this man?
      And where did you get that kind of information Djka??? This is so far from the reality… anyways, I think we, black women, should (—-> must?) learn to know the origin of this problem and understand why we all think like a certain way about african, caribbean, american (…) women.
      We are here to exchange and ask questions like you, Blackebony, so girls come on, stop talking about ignorant and blablabla because we are all ignorant.

    • BrownskinLady

      No sweetheart, we do not have an inferiority complex. For one, I know I am 20x better than you are. Your comment just confirmed that you are ignorant and not because you are African but because you obviously did not make it pass the 5th grade.

  • Nia617

    I agree with “Kai” …I’m West Indian and have never had issues with African American women or vice versa….we’re all black

    • Caribbean in the house

      different cultures different nationalities, don’t let the skin color fool you. we’re nothing like these negros, hell no.

      • Adeen

        We are both Black, you moron! As someone descended from Caribbean people, I have no problem calling you out for trolling such crap. Despite our cultural differences, Black Americans, Jamaicans, Afro Latinos etc need to stick together in this racist country. We will always be seen as Black by the White man regardless of our nationality.

  • Kai

    I have to agree that this is a highly ill-advised article. I’m black American and have a number of close West Indian friends was completely unaware that there was any “tension between African American and West Indian women” until I read this article. This article in itself is a generalization- is making the generalization that there’s issues between these two types of women based on someone’s personal experience.¬†

    • JN31

      I’m glad I’m not the only person who read this and thought “Really!? Where have I been?”. All of my black friends- African American, Caribbean, Black Hispanics get along because at the end of the day we are all black women and will have the exact same judgments placed on us before we open our mouths and someone can differentiate between accents. We all have way more similarities than differences. Some¬† of us call it rice & peas, arroz y frioles,or rice & beans it’s all semantics and we understand one another. I’m not sure why a ‘guide’ was needed but hopefully no one actually has to use it.

      • Caribbean in the house

        hell no, my caribbean/westindies people¬†don’t really¬†get along with uncle toms negros & house negros

        • Adeen

          I am Caribbean as well and I find this comment very offensive and rude. It is not good that you see yourself superior to your Black American brethren. People like you is the reason why Black Americans and us Caribbeans can’t get along at all.
          And we are all Black at the end of the day!

        • Jallie

          Without us there would be no you or would you prefer to be dominated by a culture that could care less about you or your country? At the end of the day you are looked the same and even worst with the accent.

          Anyone who uses the out-dated racial terminology “Negro” is an idiot and fool to began with. Using “Cracka” language is no guarantee of support.

      • mmafan3 .

        Well said!

    • Caribbean in the house

      of course cause all afro-american females are garbage & they stank

      • TheDallieHo

        Comments like this need to be perished. Enough of black society punishing itself in a vicious cycle to promote hate and injustice.

        Had the same been said to a non-black female, hell’s furry would be let loose. So why do we allow racial/sexist lingo into black culture and embrace and allow it’s tolerance?

        Is this is what we truly want our daughters and sons to see? That their nothing but gangstas and ho’s?

        This has been a devised trick that has been trinkled into the generations. It’s time to stop the slave-master thinking and become the intelligent and beautiful creatures we are and have always been.

        There is no race, but the human-race. Put aside your silly differences before you destroy each other with senseless hate.

      • Ronnie

        Please think about what you are saying. There are good and bad experiences possible from any group of people. Making sweeping negative generalizations are very self limiting. West Indians benefit from the blood sweat and tears AA shed to move the race to the point we are now and this benefits all Blacks. If any Black person gets unfairly treated, for example by white cops, guess who will be marching and spearheading protests? We need to focus on our commonalities and ways to advance the race instead of weakening it by constantly being stuck on differences and negative stereotypes.

    • Ketty

      It does exist and¬†believe unfortunately…

    • Rudder J

      couldnt agree more…there are tensions between all kinds of women, groups of people etc., Ive never even heard of this…

      • Jasmine

        I just travelled to the Carribean last week oblivated to the fact there was some tension there and I’m a African american woman. I’m from the west coast where there is diversity and know one really is uptight. So I expected the same when I travelled to the Bahamas . I was expecting a welcoming warm embrace from my people in the Carribean.I will say the men were so friendly. When it came to the women , young and old, I felt tension in the air. The girls looked at me and my daughter as if we had crap on our face. That part of my trip disturbed me. I saw Caucasian being served before I was and treated just a tad different. I was just really surprised on unecessary rudeness and it was more from the local young adult women. At the resort it’s was liked everyone was nice!! Off the resort ,things changed 360 degrees. I’m going to Jamaica next year I’m still hopeful that it’s not that way there . Still deciding if I want to take a trip back to the Bahamas or save my money and go to a place where I feel welcomed

        • DallieOh

          Expose it. No African Woman should have to go through that type of inhumane treatment. It’s disgusting enough that it happens in the USA.

          If it was any one else’s females all hell would have been raised especially muslim/white females. Women need to stop constantly seizing themselves up to one another in aggression and looking for ways to trip each other.

          Besides men, I say women run 2nd in the race of identity-destruction. Female on Female bullying has been taught at a YOUNG age and has been passed down through generations from traditional post nuclear-familly traditions

          “Who is the Prettiest”? “I am the prettiest!” “Look at her, that’s not what you want!” “Yea look at her, she’s ugly!!”.


  • Natasha T

    This is new to me, my BFF is from Haiti and we been friends for 22 years.

  • L-Boogie

    I hate these articles.  It is African-American is an umbrella term.  Some of the same women you are downing can actually have ties to the same local.

    • AnnaRenee

      I¬†strongly agree¬†that it is an umbrella term.¬† Because there are black folks who are second and third generation from numerous countries in Africa and the Caribbean, but were born here.¬† So are they “African American” or “Nigerian American”, “Jamaican American” , etc, etc?¬† It can become hectic with the names and stuff.¬†¬† The world is changing and black folks are moving around.¬† But it’s up to us to name ourselves, anyway.